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  • @dwasp27moto41
    @dwasp27moto41 3 месяца назад +106

    22:51 it was definitely her, but its like lowkey saying "shutup ,that didnt happen", saying it was a gift from Fuji but u look at Fuji and she totaly has no idea what theyr both talkin about 😂

    • @matheuskeunecke1335
      @matheuskeunecke1335 3 месяца назад +2

      Yes, basically a warning. We don't talk about it

    • @sillylittlesheepjax6009
      @sillylittlesheepjax6009 3 месяца назад

      nah diff actor

    • @eodyn7
      @eodyn7 3 месяца назад +14

      @@sillylittlesheepjax6009 no it was her.

    • @leonrussell9607
      @leonrussell9607 3 месяца назад +1

      Fuji does know

    • @apple_with_a_human_butt
      @apple_with_a_human_butt 2 месяца назад

      @@sillylittlesheepjax6009it wasn't, otherwise they would've not added a dark shading on her breasts (notice the area is not as dark when she was wearing clothing over her breasts).
      body doubles are used specifically in situations like this, where the actress doesn't want to expose her body.
      but since they didn't use one, they just obscured her breasts. understandable, really. but it is the same actress.

  • @michaellockhart554
    @michaellockhart554 3 месяца назад +45

    Natto is fermented soy bean. Many eat it with rice, miso soup, and a cracked egg for breakfast. It is definitely an "acquired" taste

  • @nyantaro-momo2
    @nyantaro-momo2 3 месяца назад +48

    Tadanobu Asano, who plays Kashigi Yabushige, is also one of Japan's leading actors. In Japan, most of them appear in movies as leading roles, and they rarely appear in TV dramas. He is a famous actor who has won numerous domestic and international awards, including the Japan Academy Award. Originally, he was classified as a cool, handsome actor who often played roles with a twisted and dark heart, and had many young female fans. However, from around the age of 40, the number of roles with comedic elements increased. He is also an actor with a strong presence in Japan.

    • @sbam4881
      @sbam4881 3 месяца назад +5

      For Western audiences, he also plays Hogun, one of the Warriors Three in the MCU's Thor franchise and was killed by Hela in Thor: Ragnarok.

    • @jackhilton4285
      @jackhilton4285 3 месяца назад +1

      ​@@sbam4881I just remembered him

    • @puppetmaster8551
      @puppetmaster8551 3 месяца назад +2

      @@sbam4881he plays Raiden in the recent Mortal Kombat movie as well

    • @Ninjaman001
      @Ninjaman001 3 месяца назад

      Also is Kakihara in Ichi the Killer

  • @bercerus
    @bercerus 3 месяца назад +43

    indeed Its Mariko who goes pillowing with john. she just use darkness and courtesan for deniability.
    "Oh that wasnt me. you just confuse by darkness"

    • @voiceofraisin3778
      @voiceofraisin3778 3 месяца назад +1

      Her husband just died so shes still in official mourning so she can't go fooling around.
      She has a high status, can't go fooling around with barbarian foreigners.
      She can't be stepping onto fuji-sans turf.
      I think its called plausible deniability!

  • @rickroll1141
    @rickroll1141 3 месяца назад +13

    Fuji is sooooo Cute! protect her at all cause!🥺💗

  • @pacio49
    @pacio49 3 месяца назад +22

    One koku = the amount of rice it takes to feed a family of five for one year. About a modern US salary of $100,000/year.
    240 koku ~~ just under a quarter of a million modern dollars a year. Without being asked to support and levy a contribution of Samurai for Toranaga's defense. Without being asked to manage a village or a plot of land to ensure it produces taxes for Lord Toranaga. He's been handed a $240,000/year salary with no requests. Pure profit.
    Generous Cuckoos indeed.

    • @SunglassEmoji
      @SunglassEmoji 8 дней назад

      Uhh am I the only one who realised your math is wrong? If 1 koku is 100k. Then shouldn't 240koku be 24million?

  • @bozzutoman
    @bozzutoman 3 месяца назад +61

    Fuji slinging a pistol... so hot.

    • @markcruz359
      @markcruz359 3 месяца назад +12

      I actually find her more beautiful than Mariko

    • @Reshtarc
      @Reshtarc 3 месяца назад +5

      Fuji one sweet apple .

    • @MrSnaz92
      @MrSnaz92 3 месяца назад +7

      This episode made such a fan of her!

    • @wh_kers
      @wh_kers 3 месяца назад +5

      ​@@markcruz359she is more beautiful than mariko but a bit emotional. mariko is more dignified, calm and a fitting solid wife to a leader. of the two..I like them both but, fuji is ❤️👌 for me

    • @DejectedCat
      @DejectedCat 3 месяца назад +5

      She's adorable. Though the actress is jokingly known to have this consistently sad looking face. Even when she smiles she looks miserable. Relaxed sad face syndrome perhaps.

  • @pacio49
    @pacio49 3 месяца назад +11

    Natto is still eaten today. It is made from fermented soybeans that acquire a very pungent odor, a very slimy texture, and a taste that still divides the world. People either love Natto, or hate Natto, there is no in between. It is extremely nutrient dense and excellent for macrobiotic gut health. Quite recommended for vegetarian diets because of how many nutrients it has. And it is quite slimy. And quite stinky, since it is quite fermented.

  • @sbam4881
    @sbam4881 3 месяца назад +15

    Yep, chain shot is essentially 2 cannon balls chained together. When they leave the barrel, they separate to the chain's full length and spin viciously and are used by the navy in that age for cutting rigging and anti-personnel purposes at intermediate range. Other shots used by the navy:
    Roundshot: solid metal spheres used primarily against the hull at all ranges.
    Barshot: Essentially looks like a dumb bell. They also spin after the leaving the barrel and are primarily used to rip up sails.
    Grape: (Army version of this munition is called Canister). A canister or bag filled with musket balls. Used against people at very close range. The canister/bag disintegrates when fired and the cannon effectively becomes a giant shotgun, clearing everything (such as would be boarders) in the guns arc up to around 30 yards.

    • @chippewaguy4193
      @chippewaguy4193 3 месяца назад +1

      If you RUclips “ChainShot” there’s a mythbusters video of them shooting a chain out of a cannon and that one doesn’t even have two heavy balls at either end. I’d imagine this Shogun scene is pretty accurate as to what would happen if a real ChainShot hit a live horse and rider.

    • @Ozai75
      @Ozai75 3 месяца назад

      Canister/Grape shot is actually extremely effective up to around 300 yards.

  • @samlanganke1262
    @samlanganke1262 3 месяца назад +10

    Toranaga didn't brake a promise. Watch episode 3 again. He never said John will get his ship and crew back. That only was his wishful thinking.

  • @DejectedCat
    @DejectedCat 3 месяца назад +4

    Don't leave your kid in charge... Ever!

  • @user-zx9jq4pv1w
    @user-zx9jq4pv1w 3 месяца назад +7

    Mariko was reading the Portuguese translation of the English logs, she doesn't read English, after all. Back in the first episode, the priests discussed the logs and were keen the Japanese didn't learn everything in them. Blackthorn might have a sense of that when he reminds Mariko his country and Holland are at war with the people his ship was attacking.
    Yes, it was her in the book. That's the whole point of the clouds and rain in the morning scene. That was Mariko's description of sex back in the last episode when they were escaping Osaka Castle.

  • @alesh2275
    @alesh2275 3 месяца назад +11

    Did you see Omi’s evil smile at the end ….. 😝

  • @carlart74
    @carlart74 3 месяца назад +5

    My gift IS the box.. had me DEAD

  • @mitchmatt6002
    @mitchmatt6002 3 месяца назад +24

    Mariko and Fuji decided that their frustrated Hatamoto could do with the gift of a courtesan, but unbeknownst to Fuji, it was Mariko who turned up to ease John's troubled 'mind' 😉 - Mariko attributed his good mood to the 'courtesan's' visit in front of Fuji, because she wishes John to be discreet about their night together in public.

  • @callie7138
    @callie7138 3 месяца назад +4

    How are people not understanding that it WAS Mariko who snuck into Blackthorne's room? Apparently everyone needs lessons in subtext. Like John is going to be all gentle and caressing the face of some rando. She’s supposed to be in mourning after her husband’s death so this could get her in some real trouble. Not to mention her status alone. She is not his consort. It’s called plausible deniability when she gaslights him the next morning. Just like in the books. Plus, yeah, in the books we get her POV on this scene after John's which proves the already obvious. She pillowed the Anjin.

  • @yethuwun5805
    @yethuwun5805 3 месяца назад +3

    it was her! she just doesn't want others to know it's her who pillowed with him! You can see in her smile!

  • @jrojas2520
    @jrojas2520 3 месяца назад +7

    "My gift is the box." 😂😂😂 Good one, Cody.

  • @markcruz359
    @markcruz359 3 месяца назад +7

    If we go through history and count how many civilizations have been wiped from existence due to tsunamis and volcanic activities and earthquakes, it would only prove how resilient Japan is for suviving this long.

  • @daveemerson6549
    @daveemerson6549 3 месяца назад +8

    The first depiction of casualties due to cannon fire that actually looks like all the historical accounts say it did. Shocking in the best way.

    • @eddhardy1054
      @eddhardy1054 Месяц назад

      Actually they showed something similar in a tv series about the Borgias a few years back.

    • @daveemerson6549
      @daveemerson6549 Месяц назад

      @@eddhardy1054 I'll have to check it out! Thanks for the heads-up.

    • @eddhardy1054
      @eddhardy1054 Месяц назад

      @@daveemerson6549 Yeah it's from 2011. I can't remember which episode the scene was in but it's when the French king invades Italy and the Papal army rides out to confront him (I think).

  • @bcn1gh7h4wk
    @bcn1gh7h4wk 3 месяца назад +3

    a point of note: the artillery being used are _culverins,_ not cannons.
    culverines are long-range pieces, meant to shoot balls and chain against ship hulls.
    when Yabushige says "this was tried years ago by the Portuguese", it could be that the Portuguese were using _cannons_ or _carronades,_ which was their preferred weapon at the time.
    carronades are meant to shoot balls and shrapnel, at and above targets.
    the difference being, carronades and cannons are almost always iron, where culverins could be iron or brass, therefore much lighter.
    carronades must be mounted on a ship's deck to shoot up, while culverins could be mounted above and below deck, for twice the firepower.
    take the Erasmus, line all cannons on the same side facing Osaka, and hammer Ishido into submission.
    that's what Blackthorne was thinking.

  • @Lasvicus
    @Lasvicus 3 месяца назад +2

    You know, I just wanted to let you know that this one of my favorite reaction channels of all time.

  • @matdrat
    @matdrat 3 месяца назад +2

    If they follow the actual historical timeline, William Adams arrived in April 1600, six months later was the Battle of Sekigahara.

  • @Christian-el2bz
    @Christian-el2bz 3 месяца назад +6

    Great reminder guys - the first holes you penetrate are the nostrils :P so BATHE :P

  • @SirMorlett
    @SirMorlett 3 месяца назад +8

    Guys, it was clearly her that night they just can't be public like that 🤦‍♂️

  • @hmp01
    @hmp01 3 месяца назад +12

    15:03 we already know who is the spy we see him multiple times sending the message

    • @bozzutoman
      @bozzutoman 3 месяца назад +4

      It's the old man who told Blackthorne to behave in e1 and who was helping him launch the boat.

    • @hmp01
      @hmp01 3 месяца назад

      @@bozzutoman yep, 5:52 this dude right here

  • @andrewward5891
    @andrewward5891 3 месяца назад +2

    Toranaga is keeping Blackthorn’s crew in Edo to make sure Blackthorn keeps his agreement to train his troops. Also if the crew were in the fishing village with his ship Blackthorn would try to break them out and escape in their ship.

  • @Fruitloop398
    @Fruitloop398 3 месяца назад +3

    Natto are fermented beans. It’s probably like Vegemite in the way it’s polarizing to people. Either you love it or you hate it.

  • @leonoconnor3465
    @leonoconnor3465 3 месяца назад +6

    I think the Portuguese didn’t show them how to use the canons properly on purpose incase they would used it against them if they have to fight each other but I could be wrong tho

  • @may-ky6jl
    @may-ky6jl 3 месяца назад +3

    Edamame , dried soybeans
    Natto is a fermented food made from soybeans cooked like the way you make Yogurt

  • @prettymuchbangtan
    @prettymuchbangtan 3 месяца назад +4

    it was Mariko but they have to pretend it wasnt and that it was the other woman

  • @gregorysmith3234
    @gregorysmith3234 3 месяца назад +5

    I’ve been looking forward to this, ❤ you guys

  • @shaneoshea5166
    @shaneoshea5166 3 месяца назад +51

    She gaslighted him into thinking it wasn't her I reckon

    • @markcruz359
      @markcruz359 3 месяца назад +19

      She cannot let anyone know it was her because of her status. She's not his courtesan

    • @arcanevi4477
      @arcanevi4477 3 месяца назад +1

      ​@@markcruz359not really, he obviously got that she couldn't say it so he played along

    • @lucasbelmonte2832
      @lucasbelmonte2832 3 месяца назад +6

      @@arcanevi4477No that’s how it is. She is a wife in “mourning” and not Blackthornes courtesan, also she has a very high status in Torunagas court and he is a simple officer, openly admitting it was would bring shame on her.

    • @arcanevi4477
      @arcanevi4477 3 месяца назад

      @@lucasbelmonte2832 that's what I said

    • @lucasbelmonte2832
      @lucasbelmonte2832 3 месяца назад

      @@arcanevi4477 I was responding to you not agreeing with markcruz reasoning of why she couldn’t say it was her

  • @gacchan
    @gacchan 3 месяца назад +4

    Been waiting for this.

  • @Thief.Of.Dreams
    @Thief.Of.Dreams 3 месяца назад +2

    The Japanese dish Natto isn't anything nasty like you may be thinking, cause yall nasty! lol. It's just textually "strange" to most Westerners. Just basically fermented soybeans.

  • @CiaraArmstrong
    @CiaraArmstrong 3 месяца назад +4

    Only 2.8k left to 100k subscribers. Anything special planned for that massively deserved milestone?

  • @BrokenNoah
    @BrokenNoah 3 месяца назад +10

    I mean isn't it war one way or another? I don't know how Toranaga could politic his way out of his circumstance and I doubt the 4 regent instead of 5 conundrum would be enough to halt any action against him indefinitely. It's probably marching towards war anyway but his kid just prematurely started it.

    • @fujiusami
      @fujiusami 3 месяца назад +5

      war was definitely inevitable, but Toranaga was using the "red tape" strategy to delay it. he's fighting against 4 regents, so he probably needs more troops. his son just expedited the whole thing tho so...

    • @lucasbelmonte2832
      @lucasbelmonte2832 3 месяца назад +2

      @@fujiusamiHis son did the smart thing, by doing this it not only keeps the canons secret but also effectively ties Yabu to Toragnaga completely.

    • @fujiusami
      @fujiusami 3 месяца назад

      @@lucasbelmonte2832 it was idiotic. there are other ways to keep the canons secret, like purposely botching the demonstration. and no, it doesn't tie Yabu -- he can just take his army, the guns, and canons (like they planned) to ishido and say he had nothing to do with it -- which he can easily do since Toranaga is off on other business. they need time to prepare for war against the 4 regents and Nagakado burned all the time his dad schemed up.

    • @lucasbelmonte2832
      @lucasbelmonte2832 3 месяца назад +1

      @@fujiusami Well seeing as Yabu would be ordered to commit die where he to return to Osaka the yes this makes his decisions a lot easier, plus Toranaga would have done the same and in the books and 80s show Toranaga is proud of his son for doing this.

    • @fujiusami
      @fujiusami 3 месяца назад

      @@lucasbelmonte2832 this isn't the books or 80s show -- they've already done things differently in this show and we're only 4 episodes in. And no, Yabu won't have to commit seppuku if he gives the regents his army, guns, and canons -- which was the plan they discussed in the last episode.

  • @dakotalehigh7520
    @dakotalehigh7520 3 месяца назад +1

    Waiting each week for this show is torture. So glad you guys are loving it!

  • @the3rdbean
    @the3rdbean 3 месяца назад +3

    I believe Kuko is a spy as well.

  • @BumpyBaluga
    @BumpyBaluga 3 месяца назад +4

    Natto is fermented soy beans.
    Also, Toranaga went to Edo, like Mariko said, "your men have went to Edo with my lord.."

    • @gloriafryer2024
      @gloriafryer2024 3 месяца назад

      Natto, fermented soybeans, is the worst tasting dish ever! It’s gooey, stinky, slimy. Horrible!!!! 🤮

  • @balkanarchist1914
    @balkanarchist1914 3 месяца назад +1

    I've read the book and seen the original miniseries, but I don't remember how it plays out. Based on how calculating Toranaga-sama is, though, I think he's going to be cross. I think he wanted to wait for a more opportune moment to get into a kerfuffle, whenever that would be.

  • @jusskitten6120
    @jusskitten6120 3 месяца назад

    i'm obsessed with this show! Looking forward to the rest of the season

  • @RandomNPC001
    @RandomNPC001 3 месяца назад +1

    Now you know what chain shot will do to a person!!!

  • @keikosman
    @keikosman Месяц назад

    Mariko WAS the courtesan that Fuji-sama arranged for Anjin. As his courtesan, Fuji runs his house and is responsible to care for him. It would not be unreasonable for her to select a temporary courteson whom Anjin would accept. As a single woman, it would not be unusual for Mariko to serve as the courtesan.
    It is also expected that they would not plainly speak of the arrangement (in Japan they live the phrase "what is understood doesn't need to be said"). Even to this day, it is uncouth to speak bluntly in Japan. You speak around the topic. In Japan, "the courtesan was acceptable?" is the same thing as Austin Powers saying, "I shagged her rotten!"
    In this show, Ishido is the only one to whom the rules don't seem apply. His plain speach in Episode 1 was socially insulting, his direct accusation multiplied the offense. That is why Tadayoshi reacted so aggressively. However, Tadayoshi "losing his cool" is also an social insult (even in defense of his lord's pride), particularly when Toronaga is just taking the face punches, and Tadayoshi's sepuku was Toronaga taking the "Higher-ground" in the disagreement.
    You'll recall the priest in prison that told John, "You're a child in the wilderness, you don't know their games...You can't play their game, their rules are too opaque, their hearts too guarded." The courtesan conversation is one example of "their rules."

  • @carriesmith742
    @carriesmith742 2 месяца назад

    12:04 Love the Bronn reference, Cody!

  • @momoryoma4488
    @momoryoma4488 3 месяца назад +2

    Natto is fermented soybeans and even some Japanese are not into it.
    As many would say, it is an acquired taste. 😀

  • @_Emyn
    @_Emyn 3 месяца назад +1

    natto is fermented beans , its not cheese what makes the strings ^^

  • @Hudathan
    @Hudathan 3 месяца назад

    A koku is the standardized amount of rice consumed by an adult for an entire year and was the salary for many retainers in feudal Japan.

  • @Misskanojojo
    @Misskanojojo 3 месяца назад +1

    Great reaction guys!!! ❤ Now can somebody who reads the books explain me why Mariko slept with John, isnt in against her believes or duty to her lord if she is not asked to do it?

  • @4884nat
    @4884nat 3 месяца назад +1

    Would love it if you reacted to the original series with Richard Chamberlain after this.

  • @andrewward5891
    @andrewward5891 3 месяца назад +1

    I’m not sure if Toranaga pulled the strings that led to the cannon massacre but I’m sure he’ll take advantage of the situation. Now he’s got a team of deadly cannon operators but since all of Ishido’s men who were there are killed Ishido doesn’t know how deadly they are. And now the weaselly local lord is forced to be 100% Team Toranaga since Ishido certainly won’t trust him now.

  • @CreepyCurvesReacts
    @CreepyCurvesReacts 3 месяца назад

    it was my comment on Patreon! I REALLY thought they were trying to bathe him🤣

  • @Zseventyone
    @Zseventyone Месяц назад

    22:18 - very nice.

  • @Ozai75
    @Ozai75 3 месяца назад

    Those are normal canon with chain shot. Mostly used to take the rigging down on ships (It's two cannon balls linked by a length of chain) They were (as you saw) no less effective against human beings.

  • @MapManLK
    @MapManLK 3 месяца назад

    Cosmo Jarvis sounds SO much like 50s, 60s and 70s movie star Richard Burton.

  • @robtintelnot9107
    @robtintelnot9107 3 месяца назад

    I might have to start at episode 1 again. I can't put faces to any of the names except the lone white dude.

  • @wichard1994
    @wichard1994 3 месяца назад

    Hatamoto means "guardian".

  • @downunderrob
    @downunderrob 3 месяца назад

    As I've mentioned elsewhere, Dozen gets a better Death here than in the Book. There he is hamstrung, gutted and left for stray dogs to eat. Live or Dead.
    His men are either shot or commit Seppuku.

  • @mikea3098
    @mikea3098 2 месяца назад

    Fuji pointing the guns at Fuck Smear and asking him kindly to leave confirmed the feelings I had about her being one of it not my fav. Aside from her tragic origin they hadnt dont much with her but I always have these feelings about characters and sometimes they end up heing small side ones but still a feeling of loving them righr away and I had that with her. Shes awesome

  • @michaellockhart554
    @michaellockhart554 3 месяца назад +1

    I wonder how much of the cursing and name calling are in english or dutch, which Mariko doesn't speak

  • @KaRa-zf3lp
    @KaRa-zf3lp 3 месяца назад

    To me, the scene with the diving is a power play. It’s to show John who is in charge. If Torunaga tells you to dive 20 times, you dive 20 times.

  • @alesh2275
    @alesh2275 3 месяца назад +2

    A “koku” 石 is a Japanese unit of measuring rice, approaximately 13.5 KG.
    An income of 240石Koku is sort of starting salary end.

    • @Amrod97
      @Amrod97 3 месяца назад

      *136.5kg of rice.

    • @SpitFir3Tornado
      @SpitFir3Tornado 3 месяца назад

      Where does the 13.5kg come from? I only read it being cited as ~150kg of brown rice, which would processed be about 136.5kg of white rice.

  • @Reshtarc
    @Reshtarc 3 месяца назад

    Yes if you recover them you can refire them . lol Twice fired hate. Oh my.

  • @The_Tikka
    @The_Tikka 3 месяца назад +1

    React to bad Samaritan it’s horror

  • @Reshtarc
    @Reshtarc 3 месяца назад

    Chain shot chum fun.

  • @plectrumura
    @plectrumura 3 месяца назад +5

    For the record, koku is a unit of measure for rice. It's roughly the amount that it would take for a family to survive on for a year.
    Unrelated to generous cuckoos, any celebrations planned for 100k? It's well earned.

    • @alesh2275
      @alesh2275 3 месяца назад

      1 Koku is about 13.5 KG, probably not enough for a small family for a year …

    • @plectrumura
      @plectrumura 3 месяца назад +1

      I think your unit of measure conversion is wrong there. I see 150 kg, which becomes 300 kg, or 660 lbs (roughly), when cooked.
      Although, I should note that I’m also seeing enough for one person to survive as opposed to a family, so it’s possible I’m wrong as well. I took that factoid from the novel Shogun, where this is discussed at some length because it becomes relevant to a plot point.

    • @SpitFir3Tornado
      @SpitFir3Tornado 3 месяца назад +1

      @@plectrumuraYes, I read 150kg unprocessed rice which is about 136.5kg of milled white rice. Enough for a person to survive for a year, but a good diet was generally considered 1.8 Koku.

  • @iinaomasa1508
    @iinaomasa1508 5 дней назад

    Please react to Sekigahara Movie (2017) if you liked Shogun

  • @meshglider
    @meshglider 3 месяца назад +1

    What happens in the Sex Club..... Shhh!

  • @kevinflores7474
    @kevinflores7474 3 месяца назад

    I don’t get the I am the box joke 😭

  • @Nightmarigny
    @Nightmarigny 3 месяца назад

    I love this show, but I also have no idea who anyone is, how they're related, or what the hell is going on.
    No. Idea.

  • @yunaleenoelle
    @yunaleenoelle 3 месяца назад

    22:51 i probably misunderstood this scene completely. i thought mariko and fuji talked about it and they mutually decided that mariko should be the one to pillow with Anjin since it's kinda obvious that he has taken a liking to her romantically.
    then Anjin said that he doesn't understand probably because he thought that Mariko likes him romantically too but later realized that it was just a job for a consort - like no strings attached.

  • @paulhorgan6152
    @paulhorgan6152 3 месяца назад +1

    That's a pretty hot bath.not all Brits are smelly for goodness sake ❤❤😂😂😂.

  • @may-ky6jl
    @may-ky6jl 3 месяца назад

    Real history had never happened , it is only story and Gracia (mariko) did not meet Blackthrone at all. She was at couple's castle and Osaka at couples resident.
    Also a previous drama , it was not mariko.

  • @KenFromchicago
    @KenFromchicago 3 месяца назад +1

    Everyone keeps forgetting Mariko grew up in a culture with different views on sex. If it was her pillowing with John, why would she hide it? Notice the women weren't even phased by John's full frontal nudity. They didn't even avert their eyes. Neither has Mariko. Plus, if she was lying, why involve Fuji?

    • @gloriafryer2024
      @gloriafryer2024 3 месяца назад

      Japanese married women were not (even now) allowed to sleep with another man. Men could sleep with anyone.

    • @alesh2275
      @alesh2275 3 месяца назад

      Cheating has been acceptable in Japan since Heian times, just as long as you’re discreet ….

    • @ashchaudhary8338
      @ashchaudhary8338 3 месяца назад +2

      Bud it’s based on books this happened in books and yes it was Mariko just watch the episode 5 trailer they have dropped also in future John even gonna ask marikos hand in marriage but they’ll deny that

    • @KenFromchicago
      @KenFromchicago 3 месяца назад

      @@alesh2275 she's keeping it a secret from the person's she's cheating with? There's discreet but that's a stretch to say the least.

    • @KenFromchicago
      @KenFromchicago 3 месяца назад

      @@ashchaudhary8338 in the book, Mariko spelled out she had the courtesan style her hair and use the same soap and perfume that Mariko did.

  • @ck_idgaf1680
    @ck_idgaf1680 3 месяца назад +3

    It's not Mariko. Mariko has maintained her emotions throughout the show and she would never act on them, even if she liked John, she would not 'pillow' with him. And someone pointed out on another page, keeping with japan customs, it is an honor to chose an acceptable courtesan, that's why she was smiling. Folks saying she wants deniability or secret, that's not her character and she has said she will not lie or dishonor Toranaga, she represents him in all walks of life. Plus it was not japan customs for women to bed outsiders, unless they were courtesans or vowed to them. Folks just want it to be. It was in fact a gift. But they shot it that way to think either way.

    • @user-zx9jq4pv1w
      @user-zx9jq4pv1w 3 месяца назад +2

      It's Mariko, the book says so.

    • @ashchaudhary8338
      @ashchaudhary8338 3 месяца назад +2

      Bud what you’re on about it was her just goddamn watch the episode 5 trailer 😭 she don’t want to attach herself too much with him so she’s keeping herself away from him saying they’ll talk through a third person through messages , in future acc to books john even will ask for Marikos hand for marriage but they’ll deny that

    • @ashchaudhary8338
      @ashchaudhary8338 3 месяца назад +2

      This is based on books buddy 🤡 it was her

    • @user-zx9jq4pv1w
      @user-zx9jq4pv1w 3 месяца назад +2

      @@ashchaudhary8338Yup, and visually, that's why we have the clouds and rain the next morning. That was the metaphor Mariko came up with for sex when they were escaping Osaka Castle last episode.

    • @ashchaudhary8338
      @ashchaudhary8338 3 месяца назад +1

      @@user-zx9jq4pv1wohhhu I missed that metaphor ! That’s really beautiful wow that’s insane tbh like that’s I’m out of words they really put some of work in this show

  • @juicedeleon4958
    @juicedeleon4958 3 месяца назад +1

    Yeah, it wasn't Mariko. I think folks are looking at the show thru today's minds and eyes. Mariko would not lay with John unless Toranaga ask her. She has undoubted loyalty to him. Also back then it was dishonorable to lay with an outsider unless it was your "profession". Plus Maiko's character has always controlled her emotions, I don't think she would compromise herself just for one night with John.

    • @ashchaudhary8338
      @ashchaudhary8338 3 месяца назад +1

      Have you ever read the books it was her bro they can’t just out herself like this and if you want proof watch the episode 5 trailer you’ll realise it was indeed her in future acc to books John even gonna ask he4 hand in marriage but they’ll reject it and if you want to know more marikos end isn’t very happy

    • @prettymuchbangtan
      @prettymuchbangtan 3 месяца назад

      it was Mariko, you can even see her lmao

    • @SpitFir3Tornado
      @SpitFir3Tornado 3 месяца назад

      Did you watch this episode lol? It is very clearly her. Your reasoning makes no sense if you actually pay attention. The Eightfold Fence. 'Do not be fooled by our politeness, our bows, our maze of rituals. Beneath it all, we could be a great distance away. Safe and alone.'

  • @ajseth4692
    @ajseth4692 2 месяца назад

    Natto