lol i was crying laughing when the host says tell me what happens when soemeone "chunks it or blades it" and i am reading the cc and it says "chunky lube ladies". !!! good insights though i blew my tourament score on a single blade shot today.
Phil meant for chips. Pelz was his coach. Middle for pitch Forward for soft sand Middle for hard sand Back for chips Left for cut lobs Left and back for cut libs from tight lies Back for knockdowns This is all from Pelz book, Short Game Bible.
I am sooooo confused. I just watched a Peltz video about chipping where he says the ball should be off your BACK foot and your feet slightly flared to the left and use an 8 iron with your hands forward to de-loft the club. I also watched a Michelson video where he says the ball should be either off your back or front foot but, NEVER IN THE MIDDLE OF YOUR STANCE.
Interesting - Adam Bazalgette (3 times best PGA coach of the year I understand) adds that if we lean slightly towards the target for short chips (assuming the ball is centred as per this vid), the bottom of the swing arc will be beyond the ball, ideally about 2" giving a far greater potential for a clean strike. I know this has worked for me and would love to know Mr Pelz's thoughts? For me, the combination of correct ball positioning and the slight lean towards the target has completely revolutionised my short short game. Cheers and thank you from Oz - Dave
That's good advice for short chip shots where there is no weight shift. If you are using a weight shift, you will be shifting your weight to the front foot on the downswing, so there is no need to set up with the weight forward.
Michelson has a video out in which he says the ball should be off front foot for high shots and back foot for low shots. This seems to be the opposite of the technique here described. I thought Michelson was a Pelz follower. How are these two videos resolved?
Emmett Ryan Phil really stresses keeping the weight on the front foot which moves bottom of arc forward. I guess that's the difference. but I agree with you, Big deviation from teacher.
if you are able to hit the ground after the ball or have such long, shallow swing arc you can pull off flop shots in the front of the stance. If not, then I would play it center to back to make sure you hit the ball first and the ground second. If you still have a 60 degree in your hand you aren't losing much if any trajectory. Hope this helped, Jeff PGA
Would you consider adopting me ? I will never bother you, I will spend the rest of my life in your backyard day and night....I would even pay for lights....and I would be happy to live in a tent...
Even with the ball in the center, I can still chunk or blade.. There is more to it than that.. Tempo and hand action, conscious or unconscious is critically important.
I’m a big fan of Dave’s short game method. A big part of it is his finesse swing, which uses a dead hands approach. You control the distance on your full wedge shots by the loft of the club and the length of your backswing. So yes, there’s definitely more to it than simple ball position, but I recommend checking out his short game bible. Happy golfing.
All those quoting Phil as saying "the ball should only be played forward or back in the stance, NEVER in the middle", consider this ruclips.net/video/vveCFbWfVKc/видео.html Ignore Kostis' explanation because as usual, he sees whatever he wants to see to make a point. The ball is NOT back as Kostis says. Phil has the ball EXACTLY in the middle between the heels of his feet. His turned out front foot makes it appear that the ball is SLIGHTLY aft of center but it's not. Judge for yourself. Note where the divot starts on this wedge shot.. Just forward of center. That's why Pelz suggest the ball be placed in the center. Does it make sense for the average golfer to move the ball either to the front or rear of the stance if the divot starts just forward of center? Where is the ball here? ruclips.net/video/EgkcnZygGnY/видео.html or here ruclips.net/video/oxFY8p-TnQw/видео.html Here is his complete short game dvd. Go to the last minute of the video where he hits 50 yard pitch shots at around the 1:01:00 point. The only spot where I could find a good camera angle. ruclips.net/video/GhzY7TIMnMU/видео.html No where on that whole DVD does he move the ball forward or back in his stance except for specialty shots. Every normal shot he has the ball in the center if you look objectively and compensate in your mind for when the camera is off center . Yes a pro can manipulate the low point and move the ball around to change trajectories and spin rates for specialty shots, but those are rare occasions and certainly wouldn't be something you would teach to beginners or even intermediates. Pelz and The Golf Channel Make their big bucks catering to the average golfer not the elite.
TheJhaley12 he talks about keeping the ball in the middle of your stance, even when you open your stance. So it gives the impression that it’s in the front of your stance but really it’s in the middle of your open stance. If there was a 3 foot circle around the hole and the camera was at 3 o’clock and you had a ball in the middle of your stance, say you went from 9 o’clock to 8 o’clock and it’s in the middle of a stance it would give the impression from the side view that the ball is forward in your stance
What about when you are looking up at a green 7-10 feet high and it’s all downhill past the flag on fast greens and w a tight lie with the ball below your feet? Lol
if you suck, you are going to remain that way. If you havnt got good hand eye you are going to fail about 50% of the time. Accept it and come up with a work around.
you start out talking about bladed and chunked shots from what looks like 15 to 20 yard pitch shot. While Pelz does a great job of explaining , NO shots hit. it would be nice to see the master in action.Then back in the studio both players hit pretty hard wedges , maybe 60 yard shot , not the delicate shot everyone chunks. You guys should know a lot of people learn visually , why didn't you hit the shot you were talking about, VERY disappointed.
@@billgolfer2682 I normally prefer people do their own homework. He has plenty of videos on YT explaining his method. Here is what you are looking for ruclips.net/video/0N9eVJxpZGY/видео.html It a continuation of this series on the Golf Channel and yes the ball is in the middle of his stance but looks back because of the camera angle
Dave Pelz looks so well balanced over every shot. He is my mentor. All I have to do is imitate him. It has worked so far.
This just works! By the way i tried daves chipping method with my 45 degree mazel chipper! At first my buddies were laughing, not any longer!! Thanks
Would love to hear Pelz’ views on using the bounce wedge swings.
@Rest In Peace 56 what?
What a backyard to practice your short game...and Blair to keep you company haha..
lol i was crying laughing when the host says tell me what happens when soemeone "chunks it or blades it" and i am reading the cc and it says "chunky lube ladies". !!! good insights though i blew my tourament score on a single blade shot today.
Phil says never play the ball in the middle of your stance for chips. Forward or back.
Yep, Phil said middle position is nowhere mentally ....forward or back to play the ball flight you want
For chips not the pitch
Phil meant for chips. Pelz was his coach.
Middle for pitch
Forward for soft sand
Middle for hard sand
Back for chips
Left for cut lobs
Left and back for cut libs from tight lies
Back for knockdowns
This is all from Pelz book, Short Game Bible.
So many better short game instructors than Pelz.
Such as/
I am sooooo confused. I just watched a Peltz video about chipping where he says the ball should be off your BACK foot and your feet slightly flared to the left and use an 8 iron with your hands forward to de-loft the club. I also watched a Michelson video where he says the ball should be either off your back or front foot but, NEVER IN THE MIDDLE OF YOUR STANCE.
Who is the filly?
BLAIR! Enough said!
Interesting - Adam Bazalgette (3 times best PGA coach of the year I understand) adds that if we lean slightly towards the target for short chips (assuming the ball is centred as per this vid), the bottom of the swing arc will be beyond the ball, ideally about 2" giving a far greater potential for a clean strike. I know this has worked for me and would love to know Mr Pelz's thoughts? For me, the combination of correct ball positioning and the slight lean towards the target has completely revolutionised my short short game. Cheers and thank you from Oz - Dave
you nailed it!!! It is all about where is your arc going to bottom out! Well said!!!
Lee Trevino says the same thing.
That's good advice for short chip shots where there is no weight shift.
If you are using a weight shift, you will be shifting your weight to the front foot on the downswing, so there is no need to set up with the weight forward.
@@TheNYgolfer Yes, making for a simpler swing, which for me, is the better option around the green!
Dave Pelz used to work at NASA, I guess he's pretty smart lol
Michelson has a video out in which he says the ball should be off front foot for high shots and back foot for low shots. This seems to be the opposite of the technique here described. I thought Michelson was a Pelz follower. How are these two videos resolved?
Emmett Ryan Phil really stresses keeping the weight on the front foot which moves bottom of arc forward. I guess that's the difference. but I agree with you, Big deviation from teacher.
if you are able to hit the ground after the ball or have such long, shallow swing arc you can pull off flop shots in the front of the stance. If not, then I would play it center to back to make sure you hit the ball first and the ground second. If you still have a 60 degree in your hand you aren't losing much if any trajectory. Hope this helped, Jeff PGA
I was thinking the same thing. That Phil video helped me immensely.
Who’s that baby doll ❤️
Would you consider adopting me ? I will never bother you, I will spend the rest of my life in your backyard day and night....I would even pay for lights....and I would be happy to live in a tent...
are you asking someone in particular? I mean I have a pretty decent backyard. A pond and a pool...the pond would be good for you...
I think I would rather play in Blair's backyard
Blair....what a golf sight or site?
Even with the ball in the center, I can still chunk or blade.. There is more to it than that.. Tempo and hand action, conscious or unconscious is critically important.
I’m a big fan of Dave’s short game method. A big part of it is his finesse swing, which uses a dead hands approach. You control the distance on your full wedge shots by the loft of the club and the length of your backswing. So yes, there’s definitely more to it than simple ball position, but I recommend checking out his short game bible. Happy golfing.
@@johnschalk1271 And yet Pelz' pitching motion always looks pretty handsy to me
I wish they would get the camera dead on center on Dave because his ball position looks to be forward and I'm sure it isn't.
All those quoting Phil as saying "the ball should only be played forward or back in the stance, NEVER in the middle", consider this
ruclips.net/video/vveCFbWfVKc/видео.html
Ignore Kostis' explanation because as usual, he sees whatever he wants to see to make a point. The ball is NOT back as Kostis says. Phil has the ball EXACTLY in the middle between the heels of his feet. His turned out front foot makes it appear that the ball is SLIGHTLY aft of center but it's not. Judge for yourself. Note where the divot starts on this wedge shot.. Just forward of center. That's why Pelz suggest the ball be placed in the center. Does it make sense for the average golfer to move the ball either to the front or rear of the stance if the divot starts just forward of center?
Where is the ball here?
ruclips.net/video/EgkcnZygGnY/видео.html
or here
ruclips.net/video/oxFY8p-TnQw/видео.html
Here is his complete short game dvd. Go to the last minute of the video where he hits 50 yard pitch shots at around the 1:01:00 point. The only spot where I could find a good camera angle.
ruclips.net/video/GhzY7TIMnMU/видео.html
No where on that whole DVD does he move the ball forward or back in his stance except for specialty shots. Every normal shot he has the ball in the center if you look objectively and compensate in your mind for when the camera is off center .
Yes a pro can manipulate the low point and move the ball around to change trajectories and spin rates for specialty shots, but those are rare occasions and certainly wouldn't be something you would teach to beginners or even intermediates. Pelz and The Golf Channel Make their big bucks catering to the average golfer not the elite.
I believe excessive sole curvature is the culprit most of the time along with too sharp of a lip.
the more sole in a wedge the better for most everyone.
Phil says never play it off the center
On chip shots not pitches
That ball was NOT in the middle of her stance, no way.
TheJhaley12 he talks about keeping the ball in the middle of your stance, even when you open your stance. So it gives the impression that it’s in the front of your stance but really it’s in the middle of your open stance. If there was a 3 foot circle around the hole and the camera was at 3 o’clock and you had a ball in the middle of your stance, say you went from 9 o’clock to 8 o’clock and it’s in the middle of a stance it would give the impression from the side view that the ball is forward in your stance
Too much talk not enough demo
But not 1 chip performed outside.
What about when you are looking up at a green 7-10 feet high and it’s all downhill past the flag on fast greens and w a tight lie with the ball below your feet? Lol
You needed to be thinking about avoiding that position before the shot that got you there. Good luck
throw it
if you suck, you are going to remain that way. If you havnt got good hand eye you are going to fail about 50% of the time. Accept it and come up with a work around.
Just buy a C3i wedge lol.
You can play the ball from anywhere in your stance. Stop trying to make us think there is only one way to do it.
The absolute worst exaggeration lol nobody does that stop.
What he have balls down if he wasn't going to hit a few to demonstrate don't think he could hit the ball right
MrSmashmouth07 bro what?
Your smart...one of the artest persons om the planet
you start out talking about bladed and chunked shots from what looks like 15 to 20 yard pitch shot. While Pelz does a great job of explaining , NO shots hit. it would be nice to see the master in action.Then back in the studio both players hit pretty hard wedges , maybe 60 yard shot , not the delicate shot everyone chunks. You guys should know a lot of people learn visually , why didn't you hit the shot you were talking about, VERY disappointed.
Bill knipple there’s a series of clips of Dave pelz on gc.
im not on the golf channel im on youtube watching a clip that NEVER demonstrates the shot hes talking about.
@@billgolfer2682 I normally prefer people do their own homework. He has plenty of videos on YT explaining his method. Here is what you are looking for
ruclips.net/video/0N9eVJxpZGY/видео.html
It a continuation of this series on the Golf Channel and yes the ball is in the middle of his stance but looks back because of the camera angle