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Ive had a V8 76 series cruiser for a year and half now. So here are some points worth noting when looking at one. Major Complaints. 1.(V8 model Only) The alternator is mounted extremely low, rite in line with the front tyre. There is no splash protection of any kind, and so, the alternator cops all the mud and water coming off the front tyre. 2.(V8 model Only) The starter motor is mounted in between the V of the cylinders. Over time and use, the dust and water coming through the inter-cooler opening on the bonnet, blocks up the small drain hole. The water then pools and rusts out the start motor. Very expensive repair. 3. The wheel track difference of 50mm between the front and rear, can cause issues in the soft sand. The back wheels are constantly climbing over the sand buildup from the front tyre's, creating extra drag. This becomes even more noticeable in soft mud, the back end constantly moves around as it slides in and out of the front wheel ruts. 4. The factory lockers have there own breather pipes. These pipes are hidden away inside the wiring loom that controls the locking actuator. The length of the pipe is just long enough to get it up to the chassis height. You do a few deep water crossings, the locking actuator fulls up with water and rusts. More money for repairs. This may seem small, like its easily resolved by extending the breather pipe, but most owners of these vehicles will not be aware of this problem. This vehicle ( with the V8 ) makes a great caravan tower, but i don't think enough time and thought was put into its design for proper off road use. At $65k, i think Toyota cheaped out by not engineering a larger rear axle to match the new front axle. Specially with the amount of these vehicles sold to the major mining companies each year. If i had my time and my $65 000 to spend again. I would buy a 2006 105 series landcruiser, have the factory 4.2 Turbo straight 6 motor put in and front + rear Air Lockers. Much better build quality, reliable motor and only 20 nm of torque less than the V8. Sorry for the long post :)
My experience as a mechanic when it comes to modern Land Rovers is pretty shocking. Use Defenders offroad and be prepared to replace most of the drivetrain by 50,000km. Three of them traded in the past year in on Landcruisers, all of them needed new axles; huge slack in the splines and twisted shafts (nearly 180 degrees torsional twist). Transfer cases develop huge amount of slack in them. Wheel bearings get noisy early on. Clutches fail (covers/diaphragm springs, in particular, crack) early on too. Diffs get slack in them. And the crazy thing is, Land Rover fans ACCEPT this as normal. It just isn't! I regularly see 70 series with 500,000km+ on them, still going strong. There's a reason why any serious mining company uses Land Cruisers and not Land Rovers these days. Land Rovers are for romantic hobbyists who prefer image over actual longevity and capability. Yes, wheelbase, approach and departure angles are better on the Land Rover, but that's about all. Their engines are also pretty weak in terms of overall power. Also, the seating and driving position is utterly horrific. I've no idea how anyone gets comfortable in them for long trips. It's all very easy for motoring journalists and reviewers to recommend a car to you based on a weekend trip, but it's YOUR tens of thousand of dollars you're putting up to buying the car. Make sure it'll last LONGER than that initial weekend off road trip. You have to think of the long term running costs and it does not add up for Land Rovers, sorry. Not having a go, just my professional, first hand experience of them. If you want to look tough in the city, buy the Land Rover. If you actually want to be tough and get places and back again, buy the Land Cruiser.
Not my experience at all, ten years overlanding in Defenders with no major failures and not one actual breakdown. One clutch (but vehicle bought at 120,000 miles so not my doing) no wheel bearings, one TD5 up to 160,000 miles when sold and never opened up. That's not to say the Land Cruiser isn't just as good. lt all depends on how the vehicle has been looked after.
Yes, but what he meant is that in similar condition, Cruiser will be much more likely to outlast Defender. The keyword is 'much more likely'. Hence the reason why mining companies won't consider anything else apart from Landcruiser. The 70 series Landcruiser has a very clear design philosophy which never changed.
Joss Phaux Range Rover is living off it old image, self proclaimed luxirous, but they are not. True luxury are said by buyers. LC has much better reputation. Rover has simple 60s tech, still breaks down, bland looking. It's still tries to lives off relies on 1960's fame, which is long eroden and gone. LC better technology, better handling, better ride, better reputation and name plate, more luxurious, worry free ... UN, many armies around the world already cast their votes, (US ARMY recently ordered some, even ISIS leaders joined in.) Need more? Deserts, Tundra, Grassland, Jungles ... There are no competition.
Ross Lindsay How many Defender miles have you driven Ross? And how many Land Cruiser miles? They are both superb overland vehicles if you get a good one. I've just done 1200 miles in the mountains of Northern Spain in my Defender. I'm sure the Toyota would have done it just as well. I'm going to Morocco in the Spring, l have complete faith in my 110.
I've been a passenger recently in a 70 series 3.0 litre diesel Land Cruiser being conveyed to and fro along truly shockingly rutted dirt tracks in the wilds of Portugal with two people on the front passenger seat, three on the back and two on the rear facing seats plus as many bits of luggage/shopping/beers as could be squeezed in the remaining spaces. I can honestly say I was utterly astonished at the way the vehicle negotiated what appeared to be totally impassable rocks/dips/holes etc. Magnificent machine. This man's review is amazingly detailed.
@@dylanwest-walker5310 Could be one of the JDM prado's which are basically like a vdj76 with the old (non v8) front end,lighter drive train with coils all round and smaller engine options.Cant say ive seen one with a 3.0 but they are very rare and only models that pre-date this engine are on roads here down under because not Aussie delivered and all grey imports,like Surf's.One day when i find one i will buy it, they are basically un-known here,all ive seen even had factory rear locker. I have a vdj76 and i like it but a smaller more economical engine,coils all around and an auto has its bonuses! Oh not to mention they cost about %10 of the VDJ!
Although I was unhappy with your decision for the Toyota (because I drive a Defender 90), your documentary was very unbiased and formative. Thank you for providing a realistic video comparing the two.
Anthony Ward. It was clear from the first minute he would choose the toyota. Mr. Andrew has owned in the last 10 years(?) 2 fantastic toyotas built in the 21st century with alucab roofs, front/rear aftermarket fenders, probably bigger radiators and intercoolers and some other mods and not even one issue(so they were probably perfect and all the mods were not even necessary) as opossed to 20(?) years driving a stock range rover classic(1978 maybe?) and a stock 110 defender(1986-7?). If I'm not wrong, I understood in those old videos that the land and range rovers where stock. And those 20 years were in some way a dayly mechanical nightmare. And there you have one of the reasons. No intention of beginning a war. But its more of the same. Some good things in the land rovers(that miracleously end up being part of the other manufacturers stock options), but always the toyota wins. No need to say the engine, axles, transmissions, etc are double the size of the others, weight double, drink double and when they break(and they do), cost more than double. Good part is they normally last double(still to demonstrate). Cheers.
Thank you. Very open an honest comparison. As I only buy old vehicles (cheap), I would have loved a comment on durability, and related running costs. Personally I think Toyota would have won easily because of perhaps simplicity and more reliable components.
This is a very refreshing review thank you. I was in this position 3 years ago here in Australia. We were after a capable full size 4x4 which suited the day to day and also take our family on adventures. Also on a budget, so looking for a used car. Defender - One of the reasons I did not buy a Defender was also about the interior comfort, I had to think about my family. Having been a passenger in a Defender off-road it's pretty uncomfortable. Not sure I could have lived with one in the city.. Great truck but very agricultural feel. We also dismissed the Toyota Series 80 and Prado as they too felt to plastic and basic. I like a little luxury. 80 is also very large and I did not like ride. It's road manners was lacking in stability and feeling. Albeit the Nissan Patrol GU was not featured here. I liked them a lot, but the ones within my budget had been given a very hard life with very High mileage. I would have been very close to a lot of repair bills. What did we choose? A Land Rover Discovery 2. Most of these have never really seen much action outside the city so good condition low mileage ones we're in budget. We carefully chose one which was maintained well and 3 years down the track it's been superb. However, I do notice that my right arm is against the door like the Defender. It also has a large centre cubby box, but is not a prominent an issue as the Defender in your review. Also the rear door does let in dust along the top only, otherwise it seals well. It's been solid and reliable with some new hoses and perished rubber parts as most 14 year old cars would have. I would like the double opening rear doors like the Toyota or Patrol...
As a Brit in the USA, I have owned Land rovers, a Discovery, 2 XJ Jeeps & now a Toyota Tacoma. I am Toyota guy forever, love Land rover but they are not well made & unreliable in my experience. Jeep have a bad reputation for reliability also but i did like my XJ`s. I drive a Jeep for a living but my personal vehicles it will be Japanese all the way. Great video.
Great unbiased comparison, I'm a Land Rover man (Previously Defender 90, currently Discovery 3) but can appreciate the the legend that is the Land Cruiser. A joy to watch both in action, thanks 4xOverland
Ahh the old landcruiser v landrover, i remember in the early eighties when the australian army used cruisers for three years, they used them on an excercise up cape york, they brought quite a lot back on flat bed trucks, buckled, bent and broken, when the landy 110 was produced they went back to them,30 years later they still had them, thats gotta tell ya something aye
Land cruisers, buckled, bent and broken, in your biased dreams. More to the point, quite a few different reasons to why the government/ Army accept one tender over another.
Being British my heart wants to crown the defender the king. However whilst driving a 70 series on a cattle station in the WA Bush it was clear that the Cruiser was King. I was towing 4 trailers weighing a 1 ton each through loose sand banks, steep hills and rivers this ute just kept on trucking with 400,000+ miles on the clock. Arm out the window, Aussie country music playing over the 4.5 V8 engine purring away. I just wish they were sold in the U.K.
I love them both. But my heart is inclined to choose the TOYOTA for the following 3 points: - the design - the engine: more powerful in my opinion, with a more pleasant noise to hear - robustness and longevity. I've had some experience but with other models, that used in the same conditions, the TOYOTA would live longer than the Landrover.
Ha ,, I have a defender 110 kitted up for over landing ,, (ish) My stepfather has the land cruzer ( vx ) I think,, He has had defenders in the past and uses for work mainly towing heavy loads,, bit of off road, he swears by the toyota over the landrovers ,,, I use my 110 for work ( dog handler ) but also for carrying water accross a couple of fields for the missus n daughters horses,, I preff the defender, but my choice came down to if the defender suffers from scratches or dents, it won't look crap, whereas the toyota would do,,,,, lol hope that makes sence,,,I love your revues you seem bang on the money to be fair!
great detailed review, thankyou sir....go landcrusier!!!, hi from australia, i also find the defender has a very heavy clutch twice as heavy as the landcrusier
Not sure how u ended up watching such an old video but this video shows the benefit of the lockers. Love the Defender in this video. I have never owned one and will probably never own one but it looks really nice.
Good video and fair too. We all have our own opinion and that's what makes this so interesting. My Disco 1 V8 300K plus on the clock and still going solid. Its not how many liters per 100Km you get - its how many smiles :) Stay safe on and off road and look after your trucks.
Dry dusty dirt hill maybe ok for the Landrover Traction control. Try it in good deep snowy hill and you will quickly realize you need those diff-locks of the Toyota Landcruiser!
Both cars achieve the same goal using two different methods. The defender relies on its center locker with traction control and the land cruiser uses mechanical front and rear lockers. But if I was in a pickle I would much rather have a mechanical lockers on my car to get me out than rely on traction control. Both cars are legends and neither sold in the US😢
Nothing to touch a LC, reliability, longevity, availability for the spares, in africa we use them for safaris.they are good work horses plus good resale value 💪😉...if well maintained this vehicle will never let you down anywhere at any time ✌️😊
even if I have been gettin' in and out of landies since I was a child and it is one of the true icons in my life (I would truly LOVE to own a series1 hardtop) I'd rather go for toyota (dependability)... but if so, it would definitively be the troopy!!!
My first car was a Hilux 1.8 2wd . Loved it. Next a Surf/ 4 runner. Loved it but underpowered with a 2.4. Diesel . Next a Prado 3l great car but engine overheated and full engine replacement. Next an Amazon / 100 series 4.2 TD. . After 60 k kms Torc converter failed ( common) and I never worked again even with three repairs , other than that….. amazing vehicle . Next a Hilux 3.0 d4d Kingcab. Never a problem… sorry I sold her. Then a 2016 Prado 2.8 l … underpowered .. sold it within two months . Next 2019 Hilux 2.4 … great pick up but family growing … sold it . After 20 years driving Toyota I spent more money than them all put together and bought a 2016 Defender😭. Spent thousands on in her in extras. 3 months into ownership … catastrophic yellow light appears on dashboard. 4 months in a LR dealership they replaced turbo , intercooler, EGR and gaskets and electrics. Would have cost me thousands except for warranty. Conclusion …, I love my defender but hate it’s engine . As soon as the asthmatic child of an engine packs in.., replace with a Toyota engine and gearbox. Advice: buy a Toyota .
@@mahir6239 it doesn't matter if you have a warranty or not if it breaks down in the middle of the Outback. Why do you think everyone uses Toyotas out there?
An excellent comparison, I thoroughly enjoy Andrew's reviews (and stories). A no nonsense unbiased review of the most popular and best 4wd's money can buy and top locations around the world that really put these 4WD's in their element. Anyone serious about 4WD's would be mad not to be subscribed to this channel. I have had an old 2000 model (90 series) Prado for the last 2 years which has been great but I just purchased a 2014 defender 110 in silver grey (James Bond style) which should be here in a few days. I can't wait but will always go back to a Toyota for the remainder of my driving years. The 110 is just a novelty for now because it looks so cool and Bond like I simply couldn't resist at only AUD$6000 with 138,000 and 6 months warranty. A great deal as I don't keep cars for very long. It's due to ASPW's passion and informative content that motivates me to pursue 4WDing and it's him I can thank for helping narrow down my choices for vehicles. Thanks for such great content.
I thoroughly enjoyed that! Well thought out, very objective, it leaves the viewer to make up his/her own mind as well. Kudos to the team who put this together. Still have a soft spot for the 110...
Thanks for this review really enjoyed it, I own a 76 series and fortunately I do have the 4.5 ltr V8 Turbo diesel and it is a awesome motor on the tracks the Torque is sensational and on the highway it just ticks along and being able to overtake A tripple (a Truck with 3 40 foot trailers so bloody big) with my camper trailer in tow and listening the V8 rumble makes my day. Keep up the good work. Cheers
Toyota the whole way. The troop carrier is legendary. The popularity and legacy of this vehicle in Australia is stuff of legend. Tiny British fuel tanks and shonky reliability might be ok in the unbelievably densely populated Africa with its 1.1billion people, but it's an impossibility here in the desolate remoteness of Australia. The parts and customising kit here for Toyota are phenomenal. Nice review.
My first Toyota was the FJ55 back in the seventies. Never let me down and went where and when I wanted without complaining when I went out back for six months dry and wet.Next year I will be driving the 76/79 series twin cab in Namibia. For me a no brianer
Man I have an old 100 series but being a 20 year old American student, I envy everyone who gets to overland in AUS and Africa and really push their vehicles to the limits
After watching this (A few times I might add) I have ordered a new 76 series GXL V8 TD. Your review helped me quite a lot and seemed to be very impartial. I love the Defender but I think the Toyota comes with a bit more reliability. I love both and that they have good basic functions and are a bit "Old School"(To a point). I know the rear wheel base issues with the 76 and that does annoy me a little. I also own a 89 SWB TD Pajero which I have had from new. So, I am hoping I can have the best of both worlds as the Pajero is similar to the Defender. (Watch me get slated for saying that,,,A-Hum). Anyway, just a quick thank you for your review.
Not really, mate. Andrew is quite known Toyota fan boy and biased towards it. I just pick one moment from that video - hill descent. He deliberately used defender in an incorrect way to show the "issue". That is quite poor reporting. Should he have centre diff lock on, it would never do that. That's the way land rover requires it in their driving manuals. There is not a safer 4wd on steep descent (100% slope downhill =45deg) than defender. I'll do it every year in Flinders in South Australia and I can literally take photos during such a steep descent as it goes so slowly and safely. And of course centre diff lock is on. All other cars had a bit of issues and drivers were sweating much more because of lack of that ability in their respective 4wds. And the list could go on but it's not much of a point, isn't it? :-) Have a safe off roading.
Mahn England , hi mate, thanks for commenting. Our is Defender 110 HD, MY 2013. It did the job superbly before staged remapping, and now does it in the same fashion after being fully remapped. We have Quantum Pro remap and it is second to none. No increased power or torque, just very flat power and torque curves at their maximum for wide revs range. No abuse on truck and drive line, fantastic economy and behaviour. All steep terrains we go through are no issue if within +/- 100% (+/- 45 deg). Smooth and steady, sometime on the long steep sections almost boring :-). Andrew makes quite nice documentaries, as long as he doesn't go too deep in engineering issues. Then it becomes more of an entertaining programme than anything else :-)
Nice video. Thanx, Andrew! And about the 80-series being the "finest hour" of the Toyota technicians - you're right. My wife and I are traveling through South America for a year now, on- and offroad, and we simply LOVE it, although I miss the lockers.
Excellent video. I am a former owner of a 1968 FJ40 and currently drive a 2011 200 series. I really wish I could wheel in Australia one of these days. Cheers!
I'm a landrover person, i pretty much grew up with our land rover (discovery 1) it just has a magic feeling to it that no toyota can replicate, don't get me wrong toyota's are great cars but their for people who don't care about the emotion of a car only how it performs
Toyota inter-axle diff lock and cross axle diff lock any day for me over the Land Rover electrical ABS in reverse. I know the Toyota system will always work, remember, water and electrics do not mix!
I know the Landcruiser history segment was more focused on the station wagon variants in connection with your main comparison video, but would have like to seen more covered on the HJ75 and 79 series Cruisers.... After all, they really are the backbone of the Cruiser family for that generation.
Excellent review thank you for taking the time to do this. Land Cruisers have always been in my heart and it is just now the affordability I'm such a vehicle is within my reach albeit a 10 year old model. Like you I have a 10 year old daughter that I'd like to take camping and let her get to know the outdoors. There's more to this world than internet RUclips (cough) and shopping malls. For safety I'll probably go with camping Outfitter as a group as I am a newbie. Thank you again I wish you safe travels.
ASPW this is what you’re so incredibly good at - store telling and vehicle reviews. Please go back to doing this kind of thing again :) there are so many vehicles on the market which need reviewing
I may be wrong but the reason why land rover put the hump/raised bonnet is to accommodate the ford puma engine as it sat higher than the previous-gen TD5. Doing this they didn't have to do any design changes to the axle in order to accommodate the engine sump.
Such an informative, well planned comparison. We temd to rationize the vehicle we have already bought but let's remember these are toys for big boys and logic is not a primary tool in our preferences.. Let us go out and enjoy till we can no longer drive.
When first time I drove the Defender 110, I thought I had bought a wrong vehicle. It's not easy to drive or looking for a space in the parking lot. Till I drove it off road..then I remembered again the reason why I bought this remarkable car at the first place.
I am not into off-road, but I am considering buying a Defender for a simple reason (not mentioned in the video, that focuses on off road and driving only): one can sleep in it! I do not think there is any other vehicle that allows that (excluding campers obviously). Can anyone pls confirm this? I do not think the Toyota internal size measures up to 200 cm as the Defender does. The video is anyway excellent. It does mentions some drawbacks of the Defender (useful to me) like the minimal elbow space (in winter no one wants really to drive as shown, with the elbow sticking out....), the rolling in turns and on undulated tarmac. I guess there is nothing perfect, and one has to trade all factors. For me, these are no issues. thanks for the great comparison
I have seen a lc76 wagon with a raised headroom, not sure if it is a factory setup or a modification, however i would actually recommend the lc80 for its space when you can easily remove the rear seats and that would be a decent size plus you can fit 2 persons in there.. but if you're a tall person i am not sure if you will fit or not. I own a lc200 and i fit in the back as a 1.67 meter person and the lc80 is similar to the lc200 in cabin size
a thoroughly enjoyable watch, 2 great vehicles with good & bad points. toyota for me, purely for the reliability pedigree. wanting an amazon 24v :) great video
Andrew you speak very much clear about the two vehicles,I totally appreciate your comments so I give a A± but for rugged roads the land rover defender is best but land rover defender needed much more horsepower and torques and a bigger i6 cylinders or V 8 diesel engines.
Mr. White, thank you for your video(s), informative and enjoyable! Please be advised that there’s no sound in this video from 17:35 for 1 minute, then it comes back in (I know it’s an older video and probably not worth re-editing and reposting).
Downhill a Defender 110 2.2TD4 has no problems with engine brake even in a >75% slope in 1st low. My assumption is that the diff lock was not engaged. Than, losing traction on only one wheel will end up in such a downhill disaster. The other comparisons are correct. Thx for the video!
+Landcruiser Toy - i know that a Landcruser without permanent 4 wheel drive has no center diff. I wrote about the DEFENDER - and this one has an real center diff which needs to be locked for such down hill drive. In addition - AntiStall (again -> only available with the DEFENDER TD4) will help to keep the wheels spinning when additional use of the brakes is needed in case the engine compression is not enough. Using the DEFENDER in a correct way will not show a dramatic downhill ride as it is shown in the video.....
Comparing the Toyota huge engine way of working(with its benefits) to a 2.4 engine working means BY DEFINITION OF ITS ENGINEERINGS that the big engine will have more brake. Maybe, and only maybe, the guys at land rover designed the permanent 4wd and the center diff lock to be used and help the engine in these situations(not even talking about hill descent control). But, of course, I could do a fast lap to Donington Park Circuit trying to go as much time as possible full gas under the rain in an old '92 Toyota Celica(the one with 4wd) and be faster with it than with a Ferrari Enzo if I disconnect the stability control and traction control system, and say the toyota is a better car because it doesn't need to trust in the electronics for that matters. These comparisons become anoying because there's always these 'half true' details to make the results seem kind of 'scientific'. It's said, if I'm not wrong, that the steering circle of the Toyota with both lockers engaged would be even wider than the last Defender try with the center diff lock. It's a fact by design. It's not a problem. And the video says it. But it diesn't show it in images. Why? A question of time? Instead, it shows clearly how the defender 'works worse' downhill with no lockers and no HDC activated. And it adds the respectable opinion of the expert saying it's not good. ALL IN IMAGES. That stays in tbe viewers minds.
And the question isn't just to defend the land rover(I drive both toyotas, land rovers and nissans). The question is that it's always the same old song. "Land rovers are all weak and unreliable and toyotas are reliable forerver with no maintainance. I swear to God that's the way it is". But then, there comes this guy who says nobody says in the video a word about alternator, starting motor or other things that become a problem in a 1,5 year old toyota. And this other guy who says "this old piece of cr*p defender climbs any slope as if it was on a highway while others struggle and need a lot of momentum". And the other who says "10 years overlanding through Africa or Australia with not a problem and going strong" with around 300000kms.
Let's go and check how much it costs to run and maintain a small engined and weak defender(petrol included) and how much it is for a, lets say, 4.2 td undestroyable 80 series. Huge engine will last double than the small one by definition. Huge axles/transmissions will last double than the smaller ones by definition. How much and how difficult to change a head gasket? How much in petrol over the years?10-13litres/100 kms vs 15-20litres/100 kms(that's the gr patrol I used to drive, and it was a small engined one, not the big 4,2 toyota one). How much for 235/85/16 tyres vs 265/70-75/16 tyres? Alternator, starting motor, CV joints and axles prices as weak points in ones or the others? Is the toyota still flawless? It's a choice to build a tank an say it's the most reliable car because it never goes to a mechanic as oposed to build a lighter, less consumer and, of course, weaker car than needs repairs 2 times more, but cheaper repairs. What about the costs of running the tank dayly? Petrol, tyres, brake pads/discs, oils, filters... At the end of the day you can choose one way or the other. And think one is better than the other. How much is a 70 compared to a 110? Spend money in reinforced axles and transmissions, lockers, tuned up engine and a lot more things and your still paying a lot less money for a Defender that will be as tough and reliable as the other. Lets say EVERYTHING. Cheers
Great review except you missed one extremely vital point! Fuel Consumption! Hands down the Defender will likely be way cheaper to do trips with which is a huge factor!
The 100 series was launched in 1998. In the US the last year available of the FJ80 was 1997. The 100 series Land Cruiser and LX470 were then sold starting as 1998 models. Just FYI. www.toyota-global.com/showroom/vehicle_heritage/landcruiser/collection/model_100_1.html
good video. nice to see an unbiased comparison. however a few inaccuracies in the Toyota LC History. The Prado model wasnt first introduced with the 95 series, it actually first came with the 79 series which was a lighter weight version of the 70 series with smaller engine. Apart from the last year or so before the 95 series came out the Prados (79's) used a 2.4 td engine which is notorious for over heating and having head problems on long drives, probably a very rare thing an unreliable toyota engine. The last few years it came with the 3ltr engine which was then used in the 95 series prado's you mentioned and that is a good engine. I've had two 79 series for work ( one engine over heated and died) and then i've still got two 95 series prados which i use for work and they have been awesome as i've been using them for many years now no worries. I also have a 80 series 4.2 td and that is AWESOME, the best i'd say. But i still think the 79 series prado had one of the most comfortable driving seats and i really enjoyed driving it. So i expect if i could get my hands on one, i'd love the 76 series with the 4.2 or V8 engines and all the lockers like i have on my 80 series. Other problem with the history was you didnt seem to indicate that the BJ / FJ difference is due to the engine duel type, nothing else.
Only reason why defender lurched forward on steep decline is because of the open rear and front differential so it lost traction when cross axled, it has nothing to do with anti stall function, if you would go down the hill with toyota and unlocked differentials same thing would happen if not worse because of less wheel travel. When in firstt gear low range in defender engine, because of anti stall function keeps rpm at 1000rpms. If that's too fast for specific decline you would have to press the clutch and brake at the same time which you should have done in this situation. Although traction control works really good in defender nothing beats front and rear differential locks in toyota and off road even with less wheel travel toyota would do better
@@4xoverland In my opinion it doesnt make any sense, in video 15:10 you can clearly see that landy has enough compression rpms barely raised, reason you lost control for a moment is because opposite wheels front and back lost traction when cross axled, if defender had front and back diff locks this would not happen
I love Landrovers, sentimental value and in the old days they were a great option. In previous era's they were perhaps the best in offroad capability. HOWEVER, I own a Landcruiser 78. Need that Toyota reliability.
My neighbour's son encountered in the 1990's lots of old Toyota Hi-lux pick-ups in the narrow passes of Afghanistan, some with rocket launchers in the truck bed, where more human passengers share the space. So when one breaks down the parts are sold as spares.
I've watched this loads of times...anyway, i think the Landy is the best looking of the two, and although it is supremly capable, the Landcruiser just takes that off road (and on road) capability to the next level in every way...perhaps at the expense of 'charm' and rugged good looks. The early LC's looked great, the modern ones look a bit...'mall crawler'.
4xOverland Thanks for another great review. I like the way you bring real world context into your commentary instead of just spouting numbers. Have you had the opportunity to test the new 1VD-FTV V8 diesel? And if so how much am I missing out on if I only had the opportunity to have the 1HZ engine?
Hello i'm from Mongolia, interesting video, my opinion, In Mongolia we have all kinds of land cruiser, cruisers parts cheap expensive. also we have a land rover defender, but we dont have land rover's parts, if we want parts we have to order online, its very expensive
Open diff in the back of cruiser when the locker is not engaged holds it back here. That's why front locker is always better if just choosing one locker. I think if it only had a last in the rear may have done better in the hill test.
Thanks for a nice interesting video! Beeing a Toyota fan, I liked your conclusion, but still you made good observations for both cars. I will check out more of your channel.
You are too kind on the landrover. It has a weak body that falls apart in a few years of off road. High speed in corners and your chance of rolling is higher because it is too tall and unstable. However it can leave the cruiser in real mud. It has greater economy on diesel. Landrover spares are reasonably priced unlike cruiser.
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How do you do that?
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+4xOverland that's good
Thats the youtube comments section for you.Expect nothing less
Lovely videos, wonderfully made, a pleasure to watch thankyou
Unbiased,thorough testing. Exactly what I love to see in car comparisons.
Ive had a V8 76 series cruiser for a year and half now. So here are some points worth noting when looking at one.
Major Complaints.
1.(V8 model Only) The alternator is mounted extremely low, rite in line with the front tyre. There is no splash protection of any kind, and so, the alternator cops all the mud and water coming off the front tyre.
2.(V8 model Only) The starter motor is mounted in between the V of the cylinders. Over time and use, the dust and water coming through the inter-cooler opening on the bonnet, blocks up the small drain hole. The water then pools and rusts out the start motor. Very expensive repair.
3. The wheel track difference of 50mm between the front and rear, can cause issues in the soft sand. The back wheels are constantly climbing over the sand buildup from the front tyre's, creating extra drag. This becomes even more noticeable in soft mud, the back end constantly moves around as it slides in and out of the front wheel ruts.
4. The factory lockers have there own breather pipes. These pipes are hidden away inside the wiring loom that controls the locking actuator. The length of the pipe is just long enough to get it up to the chassis height. You do a few deep water crossings, the locking actuator fulls up with water and rusts. More money for repairs. This may seem small, like its easily resolved by extending the breather pipe, but most owners of these vehicles will not be aware of this problem.
This vehicle ( with the V8 ) makes a great caravan tower, but i don't think enough time and thought was put into its design for proper off road use. At $65k, i think Toyota cheaped out by not engineering a larger rear axle to match the new front axle. Specially with the amount of these vehicles sold to the major mining companies each year.
If i had my time and my $65 000 to spend again. I would buy a 2006 105 series landcruiser, have the factory 4.2 Turbo straight 6 motor put in and front + rear Air Lockers.
Much better build quality, reliable motor and only 20 nm of torque less than the V8.
Sorry for the long post :)
Very interesting reading. Thank you for that.
4xOverland Andrew, you said in the video that we don't get the LC V8 in South Africa?? But we been having it - since August 2013!!
Very insightful indeed, I have heard similar complains about the v8 motor as well.
lol, 10 years later and they still haven't fixed the rear axel.
My experience as a mechanic when it comes to modern Land Rovers is pretty shocking.
Use Defenders offroad and be prepared to replace most of the drivetrain by 50,000km.
Three of them traded in the past year in on Landcruisers, all of them needed new axles; huge slack in the splines and twisted shafts (nearly 180 degrees torsional twist). Transfer cases develop huge amount of slack in them. Wheel bearings get noisy early on. Clutches fail (covers/diaphragm springs, in particular, crack) early on too. Diffs get slack in them. And the crazy thing is, Land Rover fans ACCEPT this as normal. It just isn't! I regularly see 70 series with 500,000km+ on them, still going strong.
There's a reason why any serious mining company uses Land Cruisers and not Land Rovers these days. Land Rovers are for romantic hobbyists who prefer image over actual longevity and capability. Yes, wheelbase, approach and departure angles are better on the Land Rover, but that's about all. Their engines are also pretty weak in terms of overall power. Also, the seating and driving position is utterly horrific. I've no idea how anyone gets comfortable in them for long trips.
It's all very easy for motoring journalists and reviewers to recommend a car to you based on a weekend trip, but it's YOUR tens of thousand of dollars you're putting up to buying the car. Make sure it'll last LONGER than that initial weekend off road trip. You have to think of the long term running costs and it does not add up for Land Rovers, sorry. Not having a go, just my professional, first hand experience of them.
If you want to look tough in the city, buy the Land Rover.
If you actually want to be tough and get places and back again, buy the Land Cruiser.
Not my experience at all, ten years overlanding in Defenders with no major failures and not one actual breakdown. One clutch (but vehicle bought at 120,000 miles so not my doing) no wheel bearings, one TD5 up to 160,000 miles when sold and never opened up.
That's not to say the Land Cruiser isn't just as good.
lt all depends on how the vehicle has been looked after.
Lotusdriver yeah I call bullshi* on that
Yes, but what he meant is that in similar condition, Cruiser will be much more likely to outlast Defender. The keyword is 'much more likely'. Hence the reason why mining companies won't consider anything else apart from Landcruiser. The 70 series Landcruiser has a very clear design philosophy which never changed.
Joss Phaux Range Rover is living off it old image, self proclaimed luxirous, but they are not. True luxury are said by buyers. LC has much better reputation.
Rover has simple 60s tech, still breaks down, bland looking. It's still tries to lives off relies on 1960's fame, which is long eroden and gone.
LC better technology, better handling, better ride, better reputation and name plate, more luxurious, worry free ... UN, many armies around the world already cast their votes, (US ARMY recently ordered some, even ISIS leaders joined in.)
Need more? Deserts, Tundra, Grassland, Jungles ... There are no competition.
Ross Lindsay
How many Defender miles have you driven Ross?
And how many Land Cruiser miles?
They are both superb overland vehicles if you get a good one. I've just done 1200 miles in the mountains of Northern Spain in my Defender.
I'm sure the Toyota would have done it just as well. I'm going to Morocco in the Spring, l have complete faith in my 110.
Omar. Take a look at: ruclips.net/p/PLdZBtPD_yK0-2gZ-mlbV5viPfjwihkBfs
I've been a passenger recently in a 70 series 3.0 litre diesel Land Cruiser being conveyed to and fro along truly shockingly rutted dirt tracks in the wilds of Portugal with two people on the front passenger seat, three on the back and two on the rear facing seats plus as many bits of luggage/shopping/beers as could be squeezed in the remaining spaces. I can honestly say I was utterly astonished at the way the vehicle negotiated what appeared to be totally impassable rocks/dips/holes etc. Magnificent machine. This man's review is amazingly detailed.
70 series don’t have 3.0 litre? Unless your talking about a hilux or prado?
@@dylanwest-walker5310 Could be one of the JDM prado's which are basically like a vdj76 with the old (non v8) front end,lighter drive train with coils all round and smaller engine options.Cant say ive seen one with a 3.0 but they are very rare and only models that pre-date this engine are on roads here down under because not Aussie delivered and all grey imports,like Surf's.One day when i find one i will buy it, they are basically un-known here,all ive seen even had factory rear locker. I have a vdj76 and i like it but a smaller more economical engine,coils all around and an auto has its bonuses! Oh not to mention they cost about %10 of the VDJ!
Although I was unhappy with your decision for the Toyota (because I drive a Defender 90), your documentary was very unbiased and formative. Thank you for providing a realistic video comparing the two.
Anthony Ward. It was clear from the first minute he would choose the toyota.
Mr. Andrew has owned in the last 10 years(?) 2 fantastic toyotas built in the 21st century with alucab roofs, front/rear aftermarket fenders, probably bigger radiators and intercoolers and some other mods and not even one issue(so they were probably perfect and all the mods were not even necessary) as opossed to 20(?) years driving a stock range rover classic(1978 maybe?) and a stock 110 defender(1986-7?).
If I'm not wrong, I understood in those old videos that the land and range rovers where stock.
And those 20 years were in some way a dayly mechanical nightmare.
And there you have one of the reasons.
No intention of beginning a war. But its more of the same.
Some good things in the land rovers(that miracleously end up being part of the other manufacturers stock options), but always the toyota wins.
No need to say the engine, axles, transmissions, etc are double the size of the others, weight double, drink double and when they break(and they do), cost more than double. Good part is they normally last double(still to demonstrate).
Cheers.
Toyota is better always
Thank you. Very open an honest comparison. As I only buy old vehicles (cheap), I would have loved a comment on durability, and related running costs. Personally I think Toyota would have won easily because of perhaps simplicity and more reliable components.
I love how you conduct your comparisons.. You highlight the little things that make a huge difference in using the two vehicles.
This is a very refreshing review thank you. I was in this position 3 years ago here in Australia. We were after a capable full size 4x4 which suited the day to day and also take our family on adventures. Also on a budget, so looking for a used car.
Defender - One of the reasons I did not buy a Defender was also about the interior comfort, I had to think about my family. Having been a passenger in a Defender off-road it's pretty uncomfortable. Not sure I could have lived with one in the city.. Great truck but very agricultural feel.
We also dismissed the Toyota Series 80 and Prado as they too felt to plastic and basic. I like a little luxury. 80 is also very large and I did not like ride. It's road manners was lacking in stability and feeling.
Albeit the Nissan Patrol GU was not featured here. I liked them a lot, but the ones within my budget had been given a very hard life with very High mileage. I would have been very close to a lot of repair bills.
What did we choose?
A Land Rover Discovery 2. Most of these have never really seen much action outside the city so good condition low mileage ones we're in budget. We carefully chose one which was maintained well and 3 years down the track it's been superb. However, I do notice that my right arm is against the door like the Defender. It also has a large centre cubby box, but is not a prominent an issue as the Defender in your review. Also the rear door does let in dust along the top only, otherwise it seals well. It's been solid and reliable with some new hoses and perished rubber parts as most 14 year old cars would have. I would like the double opening rear doors like the Toyota or Patrol...
Why doesn’t Nissan still make the Nissan GU for Australia? How did Nissan betray us so badly?
They have the y62 patrol
As a Brit in the USA, I have owned Land rovers, a Discovery, 2 XJ Jeeps & now a Toyota Tacoma. I am Toyota guy forever, love Land rover but they are not well made & unreliable in my experience. Jeep have a bad reputation for reliability also but i did like my XJ`s. I drive a Jeep for a living but my personal vehicles it will be Japanese all the way. Great video.
Great unbiased comparison, I'm a Land Rover man (Previously Defender 90, currently Discovery 3) but can appreciate the the legend that is the Land Cruiser. A joy to watch both in action, thanks 4xOverland
Ahh the old landcruiser v landrover, i remember in the early eighties when the australian army used cruisers for three years, they used them on an excercise up cape york, they brought quite a lot back on flat bed trucks, buckled, bent and broken, when the landy 110 was produced they went back to them,30 years later they still had them, thats gotta tell ya something aye
Yeah right. Land Rovers are sheit.
Land cruisers, buckled, bent and broken, in your biased dreams. More to the point, quite a few different reasons to why the government/ Army accept one tender over another.
Yea this isn’t true
Being British my heart wants to crown the defender the king. However whilst driving a 70 series on a cattle station in the WA Bush it was clear that the Cruiser was King. I was towing 4 trailers weighing a 1 ton each through loose sand banks, steep hills and rivers this ute just kept on trucking with 400,000+ miles on the clock. Arm out the window, Aussie country music playing over the 4.5 V8 engine purring away. I just wish they were sold in the U.K.
They are both great vehicles if you get a good one.
Land Cruisers survive abuse better and a used one will be less likely to give trouble.
Why aren't they sold in the UK?
Thank you for an unbiassed and thought provoking review. From a 26 year old LR90 owner.
Happy Land Rover Discovery 1 owner here! 1998 to be exact! Just want to thank you for this lovely comparison!
I love them both. But my heart is inclined to choose the TOYOTA for the following 3 points:
- the design
- the engine: more powerful in my opinion, with a more pleasant noise to hear
- robustness and longevity. I've had some experience but with other models, that used in the same conditions, the TOYOTA would live longer than the Landrover.
Land Cruiser King of the desert and mountains and valleys we lanstghani in Saudi Arabia we love Toyota Land Cruiser
+عـبـدالـلـه AAA Yup, I saw so many LC70 in your land.
I agree with you, Also in Colombia South America TLC is the king at the Guajira desert, Llanos orientales Plains and the Andes mountains!
Gustavo Garcia is
I also Agree With you my friend, The KING of offroading in the Dominican Republic is Toyota Hilux and Toyota Land Cruiser!!!!!!!!!!!!!
For the US Midwest, all Toyota land cruisers still on the road. None of the land rovers. All were brought between 1990 to 2010. I still own my Toyota.
Ha ,, I have a defender 110 kitted up for over landing ,, (ish)
My stepfather has the land cruzer ( vx ) I think,,
He has had defenders in the past and uses for work mainly towing heavy loads,, bit of off road, he swears by the toyota over the landrovers ,,,
I use my 110 for work ( dog handler ) but also for carrying water accross a couple of fields for the missus n daughters horses,, I preff the defender, but my choice came down to if the defender suffers from scratches or dents, it won't look crap, whereas the toyota would do,,,,, lol hope that makes sence,,,I love your revues you seem bang on the money to be fair!
great detailed review, thankyou sir....go landcrusier!!!, hi from australia, i also find the defender has a very heavy clutch twice as heavy as the landcrusier
Awesome stuff. I love my 03 4runner. Probably not the best 4x4 but has never let me down!!
Not sure how u ended up watching such an old video but this video shows the benefit of the lockers. Love the Defender in this video. I have never owned one and will probably never own one but it looks really nice.
Good video and fair too. We all have our own opinion and that's what makes this so interesting. My Disco 1 V8 300K plus on the clock and still going solid. Its not how many liters per 100Km you get - its how many smiles :)
Stay safe on and off road and look after your trucks.
Dry dusty dirt hill maybe ok for the Landrover Traction control. Try it in good deep snowy hill and you will quickly realize you need those diff-locks of the Toyota Landcruiser!
Pls watch off road turkey some bad ass land rovers and Land Cruisers
Both cars achieve the same goal using two different methods. The defender relies on its center locker with traction control and the land cruiser uses mechanical front and rear lockers. But if I was in a pickle I would much rather have a mechanical lockers on my car to get me out than rely on traction control. Both cars are legends and neither sold in the US😢
Nothing to touch a LC, reliability, longevity, availability for the spares, in africa we use them for safaris.they are good work horses plus good resale value 💪😉...if well maintained this vehicle will never let you down anywhere at any time ✌️😊
even if I have been gettin' in and out of landies since I was a child and it is one of the true icons in my life (I would truly LOVE to own a series1 hardtop) I'd rather go for toyota (dependability)... but if so, it would definitively be the troopy!!!
My first car was a Hilux 1.8 2wd . Loved it. Next a Surf/ 4 runner. Loved it but underpowered with a 2.4. Diesel . Next a Prado 3l great car but engine overheated and full engine replacement. Next an Amazon / 100 series 4.2 TD. . After 60 k kms Torc converter failed ( common) and I never worked again even with three repairs , other than that….. amazing vehicle .
Next a Hilux 3.0 d4d Kingcab. Never a problem… sorry I sold her. Then a 2016 Prado 2.8 l … underpowered .. sold it within two months . Next 2019 Hilux 2.4 … great pick up but family growing … sold it . After 20 years driving Toyota I spent more money than them all put together and bought a 2016 Defender😭. Spent thousands on in her in extras. 3 months into ownership … catastrophic yellow light appears on dashboard. 4 months in a LR dealership they replaced turbo , intercooler, EGR and gaskets and electrics. Would have cost me thousands except for warranty.
Conclusion …, I love my defender but hate it’s engine . As soon as the asthmatic child of an engine packs in.., replace with a Toyota engine and gearbox.
Advice: buy a Toyota .
I love how all defender drivers will tell you how much everything about it sucks but then they say they love the car anyway haha
There's a saying in Australia, if you want to go in to the outback, take a Defender, if you want to make it back, take a Land Cruiser.
@@KiwiPokerPlayer and if u want to beat land cruiser get a range rover
@@mahir6239 lol, no. Landrovers are too unreliable.
@@KiwiPokerPlayer no.
If under warranty then no problem.
All those complaining are those who bought second hand old ones
@@mahir6239 it doesn't matter if you have a warranty or not if it breaks down in the middle of the Outback. Why do you think everyone uses Toyotas out there?
And your english is a pleasure to listen as a french native speaker
The best comparison I have ever seen , experience at the highest level
An excellent comparison, I thoroughly enjoy Andrew's reviews (and stories). A no nonsense unbiased review of the most popular and best 4wd's money can buy and top locations around the world that really put these 4WD's in their element. Anyone serious about 4WD's would be mad not to be subscribed to this channel. I have had an old 2000 model (90 series) Prado for the last 2 years which has been great but I just purchased a 2014 defender 110 in silver grey (James Bond style) which should be here in a few days. I can't wait but will always go back to a Toyota for the remainder of my driving years. The 110 is just a novelty for now because it looks so cool and Bond like I simply couldn't resist at only AUD$6000 with 138,000 and 6 months warranty. A great deal as I don't keep cars for very long. It's due to ASPW's passion and informative content that motivates me to pursue 4WDing and it's him I can thank for helping narrow down my choices for vehicles. Thanks for such great content.
good luck with your new (old) Defender! Great truck in the best tradition of Land Rover.
I thoroughly enjoyed that! Well thought out, very objective, it leaves the viewer to make up his/her own mind as well. Kudos to the team who put this together. Still have a soft spot for the 110...
Thanks for this review really enjoyed it, I own a 76 series and fortunately I do have the 4.5 ltr V8 Turbo diesel and it is a awesome motor on the tracks the Torque is sensational and on the highway it just ticks along and being able to overtake A tripple (a Truck with 3 40 foot trailers so bloody big) with my camper trailer in tow and listening the V8 rumble makes my day.
Keep up the good work.
Cheers
Two very capable machines, I'd have both if the wife would only agree.
As it is I'll just settle with my 1988 ADF milspec Land Rover 110.
Toyota the whole way. The troop carrier is legendary. The popularity and legacy of this vehicle in Australia is stuff of legend. Tiny British fuel tanks and shonky reliability might be ok in the unbelievably densely populated Africa with its 1.1billion people, but it's an impossibility here in the desolate remoteness of Australia. The parts and customising kit here for Toyota are phenomenal. Nice review.
+♡ Kleinr Schmetterling ♡ (Liberty Schulz)
Everybody likes Toyota. That's how it became the worlds largest vehicle manufacturer.
My first Toyota was the FJ55 back in the seventies. Never let me down and went where and when I wanted without complaining when I went out back for six months dry and wet.Next year I will be driving the 76/79 series twin cab in Namibia. For me a no brianer
Man I have an old 100 series but being a 20 year old American student, I envy everyone who gets to overland in AUS and Africa and really push their vehicles to the limits
After watching this (A few times I might add) I have ordered a new 76 series GXL V8 TD. Your review helped me quite a lot and seemed to be very impartial. I love the Defender but I think the Toyota comes with a bit more reliability. I love both and that they have good basic functions and are a bit "Old School"(To a point). I know the rear wheel base issues with the 76 and that does annoy me a little.
I also own a 89 SWB TD Pajero which I have had from new. So, I am hoping I can have the best of both worlds as the Pajero is similar to the Defender. (Watch me get slated for saying that,,,A-Hum).
Anyway, just a quick thank you for your review.
Nigel Evs how’s it going 2 years on? I’m about to buy a gxl wagon. So excited haha
A fair and balanced review. Thanks for making, uploading and sharing.
I only drive Toyota V8 land cruiser 79 - the best.
Only because I can't afford a Unimog or Tatra.
Not really, mate. Andrew is quite known Toyota fan boy and biased towards it. I just pick one moment from that video - hill descent. He deliberately used defender in an incorrect way to show the "issue". That is quite poor reporting. Should he have centre diff lock on, it would never do that. That's the way land rover requires it in their driving manuals. There is not a safer 4wd on steep descent (100% slope downhill =45deg) than defender. I'll do it every year in Flinders in South Australia and I can literally take photos during such a steep descent as it goes so slowly and safely. And of course centre diff lock is on. All other cars had a bit of issues and drivers were sweating much more because of lack of that ability in their respective 4wds. And the list could go on but it's not much of a point, isn't it? :-) Have a safe off roading.
@@defender132 I was flabbergasted by that descent! I've never had that issue with my 2008 Defender and on steeper and gnarlier descents than that.
Mahn England , hi mate, thanks for commenting. Our is Defender 110 HD, MY 2013. It did the job superbly before staged remapping, and now does it in the same fashion after being fully remapped. We have Quantum Pro remap and it is second to none. No increased power or torque, just very flat power and torque curves at their maximum for wide revs range. No abuse on truck and drive line, fantastic economy and behaviour. All steep terrains we go through are no issue if within +/- 100% (+/- 45 deg). Smooth and steady, sometime on the long steep sections almost boring :-). Andrew makes quite nice documentaries, as long as he doesn't go too deep in engineering issues. Then it becomes more of an entertaining programme than anything else :-)
Nice video. Thanx, Andrew! And about the 80-series being the "finest hour" of the Toyota technicians - you're right. My wife and I are traveling through South America for a year now, on- and offroad, and we simply LOVE it, although I miss the lockers.
Excellent video. I am a former owner of a 1968 FJ40 and currently drive a 2011 200 series. I really wish I could wheel in Australia one of these days. Cheers!
Yes. A repeat but much better quality video.
I love the Toyota 70 series! I also love the Land Rover Defender! 😊
Me too
Awesome! I could never find this in better quality. The most unbiased review I've ever seen on either of these two 4wd's
Thank you sir. Lots more where than came from. Check out my website, 4xOverland.com
Sweet video, but there is only one 4x4 king, and that's the original fiat panda 4x4
Fiat. Hahaha. Good one.
Good joke
@@carholic-sz3qv FIAT.
...Fix It Again Tony.
Or Lada Niva
Italian police use
I love my 1997 FJ80. I am going to keep it with me forever!
I have a Defender 90 and I love it - but everything he says is right - I'd prefer a Land Cruiser if I'd only admit it....
Absolutely awesome vehicle.The Land Rover Defender. Hope to buy one, one day....
I'd prefer lockers to traction control
One of the best reviews I've ever seen. nicely presented. Excellent. Thumbs up.
I'm a landrover person, i pretty much grew up with our land rover (discovery 1) it just has a magic feeling to it that no toyota can replicate, don't get me wrong toyota's are great cars but their for people who don't care about the emotion of a car only how it performs
Watching this in 2021 because i found this channel and im binge watching.
Toyota inter-axle diff lock and cross axle diff lock any day for me over the Land Rover electrical ABS in reverse. I know the Toyota system will always work, remember, water and electrics do not mix!
I know the Landcruiser history segment was more focused on the station wagon variants in connection with your main comparison video, but would have like to seen more covered on the HJ75 and 79 series Cruisers.... After all, they really are the backbone of the Cruiser family for that generation.
Excellent review thank you for taking the time to do this. Land Cruisers have always been in my heart and it is just now the affordability I'm such a vehicle is within my reach albeit a 10 year old model.
Like you I have a 10 year old daughter that I'd like to take camping and let her get to know the outdoors. There's more to this world than internet RUclips (cough) and shopping malls.
For safety I'll probably go with camping Outfitter as a group as I am a newbie.
Thank you again I wish you safe travels.
ASPW this is what you’re so incredibly good at - store telling and vehicle reviews. Please go back to doing this kind of thing again :) there are so many vehicles on the market which need reviewing
I enjoy your reviews, you give great reviews. You're a serious man. Keep up the good content, cheers
I may be wrong but the reason why land rover put the hump/raised bonnet is to accommodate the ford puma engine as it sat higher than the previous-gen TD5. Doing this they didn't have to do any design changes to the axle in order to accommodate the engine sump.
Such an informative, well planned comparison. We temd to rationize the vehicle we have already bought but let's remember these are toys for big boys and logic is not a primary tool in our preferences.. Let us go out and enjoy till we can no longer drive.
Excellent review! That's why we love this channel!
When first time I drove the Defender 110, I thought I had bought a wrong vehicle. It's not easy to drive or looking for a space in the parking lot. Till I drove it off road..then I remembered again the reason why I bought this remarkable car at the first place.
Great vid man. Thanks for a fair comparison of two very capable rigs.
Excellent review. Currently running a modded JK Wrangler but looking to moving to a 70 series wagon. Thanks for the awesome review mate 👍
I am not into off-road, but I am considering buying a Defender for a simple reason (not mentioned in the video, that focuses on off road and driving only): one can sleep in it! I do not think there is any other vehicle that allows that (excluding campers obviously). Can anyone pls confirm this? I do not think the Toyota internal size measures up to 200 cm as the Defender does.
The video is anyway excellent. It does mentions some drawbacks of the Defender (useful to me) like the minimal elbow space (in winter no one wants really to drive as shown, with the elbow sticking out....), the rolling in turns and on undulated tarmac. I guess there is nothing perfect, and one has to trade all factors. For me, these are no issues.
thanks for the great comparison
I have seen a lc76 wagon with a raised headroom, not sure if it is a factory setup or a modification, however i would actually recommend the lc80 for its space when you can easily remove the rear seats and that would be a decent size plus you can fit 2 persons in there.. but if you're a tall person i am not sure if you will fit or not. I own a lc200 and i fit in the back as a 1.67 meter person and the lc80 is similar to the lc200 in cabin size
a thoroughly enjoyable watch, 2 great vehicles with good & bad points.
toyota for me, purely for the reliability pedigree.
wanting an amazon 24v :)
great video
Thank you for a wonderful review of both vehicles. Very thorough and informative.
Such a shame I only discovered your channel now. Its brilliant!
Andrew you speak very much clear about the two vehicles,I totally appreciate your comments so I give a A± but for rugged roads the land rover defender is best but land rover defender needed much more horsepower and torques and a bigger i6 cylinders or V 8 diesel engines.
Mr. White, thank you for your video(s), informative and enjoyable! Please be advised that there’s no sound in this video from 17:35 for 1 minute, then it comes back in (I know it’s an older video and probably not worth re-editing and reposting).
Fair review unlike some other videos I've seen...You've just found a new subscriber.
Downhill a Defender 110 2.2TD4 has no problems with engine brake even in a >75% slope in 1st low. My assumption is that the diff lock was not engaged. Than, losing traction on only one wheel will end up in such a downhill disaster. The other comparisons are correct. Thx for the video!
+Mario the land cruiser has no center diff lock and comes down with no dust.....
+Landcruiser Toy - i know that a Landcruser without permanent 4 wheel drive has no center diff.
I wrote about the DEFENDER - and this one has an real center diff which needs to be locked for such down hill drive. In addition - AntiStall (again -> only available with the DEFENDER TD4) will help to keep the wheels spinning when additional use of the brakes is needed in case the engine compression is not enough. Using the DEFENDER in a correct way will not show a dramatic downhill ride as it is shown in the video.....
Comparing the Toyota huge engine way of working(with its benefits) to a 2.4 engine working means BY DEFINITION OF ITS ENGINEERINGS that the big engine will have more brake.
Maybe, and only maybe, the guys at land rover designed the permanent 4wd and the center diff lock to be used and help the engine in these situations(not even talking about hill descent control).
But, of course, I could do a fast lap to Donington Park Circuit trying to go as much time as possible full gas under the rain in an old '92 Toyota Celica(the one with 4wd) and be faster with it than with a Ferrari Enzo if I disconnect the stability control and traction control system, and say the toyota is a better car because it doesn't need to trust in the electronics for that matters.
These comparisons become anoying because there's always these 'half true' details to make the results seem kind of 'scientific'.
It's said, if I'm not wrong, that the steering circle of the Toyota with both lockers engaged would be even wider than the last Defender try with the center diff lock.
It's a fact by design. It's not a problem. And the video says it. But it diesn't show it in images. Why? A question of time? Instead, it shows clearly how the defender 'works worse' downhill with no lockers and no HDC activated. And it adds the respectable opinion of the expert saying it's not good. ALL IN IMAGES.
That stays in tbe viewers minds.
And the question isn't just to defend the land rover(I drive both toyotas, land rovers and nissans).
The question is that it's always the same old song.
"Land rovers are all weak and unreliable and toyotas are reliable forerver with no maintainance. I swear to God that's the way it is".
But then, there comes this guy who says nobody says in the video a word about alternator, starting motor or other things that become a problem in a 1,5 year old toyota.
And this other guy who says "this old piece of cr*p defender climbs any slope as if it was on a highway while others struggle and need a lot of momentum".
And the other who says "10 years overlanding through Africa or Australia with not a problem and going strong" with around 300000kms.
Let's go and check how much it costs to run and maintain a small engined and weak defender(petrol included) and how much it is for a, lets say, 4.2 td undestroyable 80 series.
Huge engine will last double than the small one by definition.
Huge axles/transmissions will last double than the smaller ones by definition.
How much and how difficult to change a head gasket?
How much in petrol over the years?10-13litres/100 kms vs 15-20litres/100 kms(that's the gr patrol I used to drive, and it was a small engined one, not the big 4,2 toyota one).
How much for 235/85/16 tyres vs 265/70-75/16 tyres?
Alternator, starting motor, CV joints and axles prices as weak points in ones or the others?
Is the toyota still flawless?
It's a choice to build a tank an say it's the most reliable car because it never goes to a mechanic as oposed to build a lighter, less consumer and, of course, weaker car than needs repairs 2 times more, but cheaper repairs.
What about the costs of running the tank dayly?
Petrol, tyres, brake pads/discs, oils, filters...
At the end of the day you can choose one way or the other. And think one is better than the other.
How much is a 70 compared to a 110? Spend money in reinforced axles and transmissions, lockers, tuned up engine and a lot more things and your still paying a lot less money for a Defender that will be as tough and reliable as the other.
Lets say EVERYTHING.
Cheers
Great review except you missed one extremely vital point!
Fuel Consumption!
Hands down the Defender will likely be way cheaper to do trips with which is a huge factor!
Mine handles like its on rails. Even with rtt and loaded. I love my defender.
The 100 series was launched in 1998. In the US the last year available of the FJ80 was 1997. The 100 series Land Cruiser and LX470 were then sold starting as 1998 models. Just FYI.
www.toyota-global.com/showroom/vehicle_heritage/landcruiser/collection/model_100_1.html
Thank god for the 4.5 V8 turbo diesel and to be young enough to enjoy it!
good video. nice to see an unbiased comparison. however a few inaccuracies in the Toyota LC History. The Prado model wasnt first introduced with the 95 series, it actually first came with the 79 series which was a lighter weight version of the 70 series with smaller engine. Apart from the last year or so before the 95 series came out the Prados (79's) used a 2.4 td engine which is notorious for over heating and having head problems on long drives, probably a very rare thing an unreliable toyota engine. The last few years it came with the 3ltr engine which was then used in the 95 series prado's you mentioned and that is a good engine. I've had two 79 series for work ( one engine over heated and died) and then i've still got two 95 series prados which i use for work and they have been awesome as i've been using them for many years now no worries. I also have a 80 series 4.2 td and that is AWESOME, the best i'd say. But i still think the 79 series prado had one of the most comfortable driving seats and i really enjoyed driving it. So i expect if i could get my hands on one, i'd love the 76 series with the 4.2 or V8 engines and all the lockers like i have on my 80 series. Other problem with the history was you didnt seem to indicate that the BJ / FJ difference is due to the engine duel type, nothing else.
The flaps are one of my favourite things about defender
Only reason why defender lurched forward on steep decline is because of the open rear and front differential so it lost traction when cross axled, it has nothing to do with anti stall function, if you would go down the hill with toyota and unlocked differentials same thing would happen if not worse because of less wheel travel. When in firstt gear low range in defender engine, because of anti stall function keeps rpm at 1000rpms. If that's too fast for specific decline you would have to press the clutch and brake at the same time which you should have done in this situation. Although traction control works really good in defender nothing beats front and rear differential locks in toyota and off road even with less wheel travel toyota would do better
I was there and I was driving it. 30 years of driving 4wds I know what I'm taking about. It was the anti-stall function causing it to race.
@@4xoverland In my opinion it doesnt make any sense, in video 15:10 you can clearly see that landy has enough compression rpms barely raised, reason you lost control for a moment is because opposite wheels front and back lost traction when cross axled, if defender had front and back diff locks this would not happen
I love Landrovers, sentimental value and in the old days they were a great option. In previous era's they were perhaps the best in offroad capability.
HOWEVER, I own a Landcruiser 78. Need that Toyota reliability.
My neighbour's son encountered in the 1990's lots of old Toyota Hi-lux pick-ups in the narrow passes of Afghanistan, some with rocket launchers in the truck bed, where more human passengers share the space. So when one breaks down the parts are sold as spares.
all hail to the toyota, huray !!!
I've watched this loads of times...anyway, i think the Landy is the best looking of the two, and although it is supremly capable, the Landcruiser just takes that off road (and on road) capability to the next level in every way...perhaps at the expense of 'charm' and rugged good looks. The early LC's looked great, the modern ones look a bit...'mall crawler'.
Very well spoken and respected! Thank you! 👍
I’d love to see a lc79 vs lc200 comparison 👍
Very helpful and serious review.
Thoroughly enjoyed it. Thanks for posting
4xOverland Thanks for another great review. I like the way you bring real world context into your commentary instead of just spouting numbers. Have you had the opportunity to test the new 1VD-FTV V8 diesel? And if so how much am I missing out on if I only had the opportunity to have the 1HZ engine?
Thank you for letting us know more about particularly the Land cruiser
Hello i'm from Mongolia, interesting video, my opinion, In Mongolia we have all kinds of land cruiser, cruisers parts cheap expensive. also we have a land rover defender, but we dont have land rover's parts, if we want parts we have to order online, its very expensive
Wish both were available in the US. You’d have lots of buyers here
Lovely video One of my favorite channels now.
I sure wish we got Land Cruisers like these in the U.S. Our version is way too fancy, gas only and start at $80,000.
Just like it's name Defender always the defending champion I love the TDI.(TD300)
Exceptional review I learned a lot from this comparison.
Open diff in the back of cruiser when the locker is not engaged holds it back here. That's why front locker is always better if just choosing one locker. I think if it only had a last in the rear may have done better in the hill test.
Thanks for a nice interesting video! Beeing a Toyota fan, I liked your conclusion, but still you made good observations for both cars. I will check out more of your channel.
The V8 Land Cruisers are to die for and if you got your hands on one you would be amazed by the torque and the reliability.
Best car review ever
comprehensive and thorough
Very detailed and professional video, loved it. Please include Nissan Patrol comparison videos too. Thank you
You are too kind on the landrover. It has a weak body that falls apart in a few years of off road. High speed in corners and your chance of rolling is higher because it is too tall and unstable.
However it can leave the cruiser in real mud. It has greater economy on diesel. Landrover spares are reasonably priced unlike cruiser.
what parts of Landrover fall apart or does the riveted body look beat up?
@@jameskaruga6730 door panels, body panels are all aluminum and couldn't be welded. So dust pours in the car in less than a year.