United Airlines 737 Max pilot reports collision with drone
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- Опубликовано: 10 июл 2024
- The pilot of UAL flight 1003 reported a collision with a drone shortly after takeoff from SFO bound for Denver. Why am I ranting about this and what is the reality here? Surely Remote ID means that airliners are finally saved from the threat of collisions with drones?
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When I worked for the airlines we were told that any single strike on takeoff or landing to report it as a drone no matter
Which airlines? Who told you to report bird strikes as drones? Name and shame!
@@stevenkelby2169 if they dont its prob boing (they don't want to die 💀)
@@Ragnarok_FPV 😂
Agenda as always same as all EV fires to be covered up.
@@stevenkelby2169 : Is it because the airline he named would then be able to prove he never worked for them, leaving him wide open for litigation?
How can anyone be certain anything they see or read is fact or fiction?
Yes, at the end the FAA said it was a bird. Nice.
That's what they would say to not give out that birds are drones!
It sure is a bit ridiculous that anything in the air is apparently a drone by default.
Later confirmed by the FAA as a bird
Oh c'mon. Birds aren't real! It's a bird shaped drone.
Was a soft, mushy drone.
The pilot on the mic sounds like an impulsive over-assuming douche. You know what they say when you assume…..
Unbelievable
Better raise taxes on all drone operators to be sure… hate this sh*t
Far more likely that it was hit by a wheel or door from a Boeing flying above it than an ACTUAL DRONE STRIKE. CHEERS BRUCE THANK YOU FOR YOUR EFFORTS Steve h
😂 Great comment
Yeah... before we know it there will not be enough airspace to fly a model without risking your time and money amidst the downpour of airliner debris and falling Starlink satellites!
Years ago i was driving down the M23 when something hit, and bounced off the bonnet of a van i was driving, had no idea what it was, my mind did not have to time to determine anything more than it's approx size, about half the size of a brick. I was only doing about 75mph - yet i still did not have the time to work out what it was. Strange how some pilots can determine what something is when they are travelling at least 3 times the speed i was.
They run into other full sized aircraft without seeing each other.🤔
Unless it was a bloody big drone, a 737 would not even know it had hit it. Total BS as usual.
I can definitely appreciate this rant and the frustration behind it.
I've carried on flying my rc models as usual. No RID. No problems.
I do notice myself looking over my shoulder more often, for park police cars. I've always picked sites with no one around, in the middle of a week day to fly. Just to fly a foam toy in a park close to home. 👍
3,000 to 10,000+ birds per Square mile on earth and one Drone per 25 Square miles. The math is really simple.. This one turned out to be a bird. Go figure.🤔
"..EEeehh 1-1-8 we noticed some wildli... RC car running ... ROLLING over the runway..."
I appreciate your approach to RID, and other regulations. We need voices like this in the media.
I bet that drone had feathers!
And sticky red oil.
Sadly "the truth" has always been a stranger to the news media, good luck trying to change that!
So true & Thanks for everything that you do for our community!! 😁 Keep doing your thing xjet
Your right Bruce they just bullying drone people for no reason. I know some people who fly drones for fun and they aren’t breaking any laws. Keep preaching the truth Bruce.
When this happens they (the €!@) are preping the public. They use this to create credible scapegoats.
Consider you are a evil conspirator and you wish to remove a man called Ass... with an excuse. It was a dude taking picture😮
I would say that as a pilot , pilots can be unreliable witnesses. I recall an incident of alleged controlled airspace violation by one of our club aircraft. When we queried about the colour of the aircraft they could not identify it. Our only aircraft in the area was bright yellow all over. Needless to say they never bothered us again.
Yes, the world is now a _very_ strange place - and dangerous.
Yep... most of the danger comes from people in power, rather than hobbyists minding their own business!
absolutely perfect points and commentary
The evidence around remote ID based on that Las Vegas story is that it wakes up big brother.
Easier to harass the innocent, than prosecute the guilty.
Yep. Path of least resistance they will go.
If thats true about the BA pilots being told to report unknowns as a drone, we could have a field day in court discrediting an incident where there is no evidence. Bear in mind that at that point they wouuld have to produce the data to substantiate their directive.
I'm not sure if I can watch this video, the usa is requiring yt to keep track and register the identity of the users of videos they mark.
I suppose the aliens are using drones now, and they're obviously compliant with remote ID 😊
Maybe the Aliens are sick of bumping into our drones and want them removed from the sky before they launch their invasion.
So much for "national security".
I guess Birds Must wear Remote ID.
Comply with the good rules, ignore the rest and just keep flying...
Thanks for putting the authorities in their place Bruce! We are innocent until proved guilty!👍maybe the pilot should have his eyes tested???
What? Government corruption. Government incompetence. A global problem.
Later confirmed by faa it was a bird strike
Well there is still a very strong possibility that his aircraft has hit a drone or two in the past, although it really depends on the proximity of any hives in the proximity the finals of where he's flying. Damage is likely to be minor, although a pitot tube plugged with bee brains may pose a minor problem in flight.
The 1984 reference is on point.
Didn't you know Bruce?
Aliens are using drones now!
🤙pass blame, before the actual situation is known👍
Pilots should be questioned under caution when reporting incidents
It has shut me down. I'm a current 107 and my drones are good as bricks.
1984 you got that right you just have to look around at everything else going on,Well at least we can say we both lived in a time before everything turned to crap
Your analytical skills are impressive. Please keep up the good work.
737 certified AME…I’ve seen hundreds of bird strikes over the years, with birds as big as Canadian geese. Yes birds that big do major damage. The planes are designed to take it though. Even though drones are made of harder materials, it would take much larger than a hobby drone to do enough damage to bring down an airliner. Cessnas and other small aircraft don’t go fast enough for a hobby drone to do more damage than a bird strike.
More likely to have struck a bit from a previous Boeing.
Ps...should all errant Boeing parts be fitted with RID?
Bruce, I think the pilot should of said… ATC I think we just hit a cat, spaceship, no flying car that might of had more credibility. Drone give me a break the only word they know.
I guarantee none of the "news" articles will mention the bird part and if they do it will be a small footnote.
Dont discount the possibilty that the jump seat passenger was flying a tiny whoop around in the cockpit before colliding with the pilots head...
theyve had this agenda since well before the gatwick shit too
If he hit anything at all, then it's its more likely he hit a bird, and since when did birds have four rotors, one at each corner.
It's obvious birds are far more of a danger to full sized aviation by an order of magnitude than any drone or model aircraft, so when are the aviation authorities going to lay the Draconian rules on birds that they've laid on us as drone and model aircraft pilots.
I fly my drone in a cemetery 10 miles from an airfield and never above 500 ft
Thanks!
If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, flies like a duck, and hits a aeroplane! It’s called a drone?
Awesome rant good sir! It feels like it's opposite day every day now.
A drone collapsed the bridge.☹️
A very big one
a drone hit a fish, that distracted the whale, that hit the ship - causing a power outage, that hit the bridge...
Great video 👍 lt seems like FACTS are over raided.
Question , if I fly a sub 250 gram drone and not making money or uploading the video.
Do I still need remote I.d. ?
If you are flying purely for "recreational purposes" then no RID is required on a sub250g drone (yet).
I have seen the damage caused to the tailplane of a 737 by a birdstrike at Wellington NZ. They hit a black-backed gull, which has a five foot + wingspan. The leading edge of the wing was torn open, and compressed back about ten inches.
There is no way anyone could mistake the damage caused by a drone with this... the amount of blood, guts, and feathers removed any possible doubt!
Whoever told the engineers it was an interesting and varied career didn't mention this part!
There have been real documented cases of airlines striking drones. In all cases it's been a military drone with a known flight path, and generally the fault of a sloppy airline pilot.
Harry Harrison's book "Make room, make room" is very close to fact as well. (It was later made into a film titled "Soylent Green", but the film totally missed the punch line!) - - - The 'drone strike' was probably a piece that fell off a Boeing that was passing overhead!
Thanks Bruce
Thank you for always being the voice of common sense and honesty. Im afraid the world is being conditioned to believe that what they say is the truth instead of reality-based truths. Scary when morals are replaced by propaganda.
Time for Federal bird registration! Radio tags for any bird over the size of a north American robin!
How are the media going to make $$ if they cant LIE🤔😂
They don't consider it lies...they call it 'marketing' 😆
Bruce! Are you suggesting that the British Air Lline Pilots Association (BALPA) might distort the truth for an agenda? I suppose that could have been why the rest of the industry called them the British Airways Line Pilots Association in my working days. As for assuming a bang is a drone. In the days before soft fall toilet lids it was wise to check the forward toilet lid was down before take off or make sure you could identify the bang of it closing from the flight deck. Love the Las Vegas raid on the legal just because they have electronic visibility, I must say I never had more than one inspector at a time to check my licence and the $ 350 million insurance certificate. Reminds me of when only operational aircraft had Identification Friend or Foe that is now the transponder required by all short of a Bumble Bee. This was in the 1960s when there was little company above 45,000ft and stats could show a definite link between inconvenient air traffic demands and equipment failure, particularly when outside the range of a raw radar image. Now it would appear if you are out in the sticks and not operating an unmanned intercontinental flight the last thing you want to be is visible to more than the mark one eyeball.
Bruce... You're too hopeful. I do hope they hear you, but we know they won't. 😕
Anyway, stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
BTW, 1984 was meant to be a warning, not a step by step guide like they're using it.
Aaaaah. It's a 1984 Hard Book, not a 1984 Hand Book! Hate that when that happens 😁
Birds are drones bro
A cessna creamed one of those $10k DJI drones up in Canukistan a year or so ago. Plane was fine aside from a smashed up nose. Pilot still landed.
The Canadian remote id story is starting to emerge....video tomorrow.
Hey mate it's Luke here I haven't seen you since I was a little kid I use to fly with you guys in tokoroa with Brent and Barry and all of the other older blokes hope your doing well mate my father perry used to by nitro rc planes off you from your big shed lol look after yourself mate cheers
As the guy in Las Vegas with all the documents, registration, remote ID etc is getting harassed by the occupants of 6 police cars for flying his drone, every other person passing by is probably carrying a gun because....
"Nevada gun laws allow for the open carry of firearms without the need for a license or registration"
Legal gun carriers get harassed all the time. Our gun laws are so complicated, the police don't know what is legal or not. That is considered a feature as it allows for arresting people who are trying to follow the law. I see parallels with this and drone rules.
As A Legal guy in Las Vegas, with all the documents, registration, remote ID, and regularly doing legitimate commercial Part 107 work in the highly complex airspace system we have here, I have little-to-no concern about every person passing by carrying a gun. My concern would be the 6 uniformed people approaching me with them.
@@ErraziBProductionS 📌 🔨 (Sorry, Emoji has no nail, hence tack-tical substitute.)
So when and if this happens to me where I am stopped from doing my job and potentially others afterwards, and if someone records it and posts my business on social media with my business logo and cops fbi etc around I am going to file a lawsuit for damages and losses... if I were that operator I would probably do just that.
Wait. Hold on. What shape is the earth if its not flat?
IIR the TV programme I watched in the 1970's said "It's a Square World." That was when our TV's were in Black & White. Now it's a million shades of grey.
He could as well have said "we have hit a UFO".
I find it incredible that pilots are able to see something as relatively small as the average drone, yet there have been many midair collisions & near misses where they haven't seen another aircraft until the last minute! Maybe they are eating a lot more carrots these days? 😊
Drones are to aircraft as mice are to elephants
👍🏼🥇 And I saw the 'Mythbusters' prove the Elephant fear spectacularly.
The pilot didn't realize that something detached and not attached to his aircraft 😀
Bruce I think that we need a study showing the damage caused by a bird strike vs the damage caused by the same sized drone strike. If they are comparable then perhaps the same regulations should be applied to drones as are applied to comparable sized birds. Sounds fair don't you think?
Ahh what? So the earth's not flat ! 😂😂
Fully justified rant. What ever happened to just telling the truth?
He was looking at the chart from years ago where it has shapes of birds and a dozen other things labeled as drones
They have been hitting birds for a very long time.... How are you Bruce?😊
Bruce,you know,when an airliner takes off it gets up pretty high within seconds of rotation (V1).It's takes about a minute for an airliner to be already above 2000 feet.The average drone flys way below that altitude.And if indeed the drone was flying within the boundaries of an airport,than it is the fault of the drone operator.The control zone is a 5 nm.,360 degrees around an airport when the control is in operation.If,it's a drone,I'm sorry to say,it's the drone pilot that is in direct violation of FAA regulations.I am an R/C model flyer,and the full scale airport is the LAST place I would be,and never would fly my plane there.Its just common sense to me.I also happen to be a full scale pilot.
Yes... but it *wasn't* a drone or RC model aircraft... it was (as any sane person would expect, based on prior evidence and stats) a BIRD strike.
When the scariest thing is the faa isn't doing their jobs, because order 66.
Obviously, it was a zebra, not a drone.
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Some pilots have hidden anger against drones. It is irrational.
Hi Bruce, well we know that someone will cry drone to sometime, and I'm sick of the B.S that we have to go by all these rules just to fly a drone. Thanks again for the RANT !
That is pretty disgusting from the British airline pilots association telling their members that anything they can’t identify should be reported as a drone sighting. What risk are drones to them? It doesn’t put their planes or business at risk in any way. Drones are not a threat, economically or physically.
Had to be a drone, we all know birds dont' fly..
For sure, for sure! Here in New Zealand, I am expecting to hear "It was a Kiwi bird strike." report any day now.... 😁
As usual, the lie is halfway round the world, before the truth has got it's shoes on......
Drone lies matter. Thank Bruce for the reports.
As per any “registration” farce (drones, cars, guns etc) only the COMPLIANT are inconvenienced and targetted, as crim’s by definition, ignore said registrations/laws.
In the end it is about total control!
Funny that. We had a discussion at the field today about Remote ID coming to the UK. One argued that we wouldn't need it because we were on a BMFA field. I argued that there is no guarantee that our site would be recognised by the CAA so we might have to have Remote ID anyway. Then the tone changed. 50% said F' that I'm not doing anything wrong. I'm not being spied upon. 30% said I'm not having remote ID and the other 20% stayed quiet. My point being that you have to demonstrate the value of something if you want to get people to accept it. Remote ID is a joke, especially when we have full sized aircraft flying over us at our site that are not required to carry ADSB (Class G airspace).
wondered why I lost telemetry... lol
They're all mad and money hungry ... 😥
If a Boeing 737 MAX reports an strange noise from the airplane... my first thoughts is not a bird or a drone hit..! But rather the fact... that the report comes from a 737 MAX...!?!
Maybe the EPA should start regulating the FAA...? Probably should not give them ideas...
Actually, in the states birds are actually government drones.
6:25 that's the government in one sentence.
We all register our cars. This opens us up to taxation, which eventually becomes punitive. It opens us up to not being able to use roads our taxes have been used to build (see LTNs in the UK). It opens us up to ‘environmental’ taxes that are set at just the level to generate revenue and not change behaviour. In short, governments across the globe know that most people want to comply with the law and then they can be penalised for it forever. Remote piloted aircraft is just the same.
It was a drone who caused the door to fall off Alaska
No, the door bolted of it's own accord. 🚪 (I will see myself out.)
Yeah but Bruce, what you don't realize, Boeing has instructed all it's pilots to say "drone strike" whenever a door plug blows out, wheels fall off, brake/hydraulic fails etc. It's standard practice mate! Rest assured once these little "mishaps" get all sorted, Boeing will be putting Remote ID's on all parts that may fall off during a normal flight. 🤣
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The Insurance Company's should be calling Boeing out, for falsifying their claims!
What’s happened to the flying vid s with your NZ boys Bruce. ?
Being able to fly a drone now as a hobby in the UK is now dead u have to dance through hoops it's ridiculous
100%
The guy just didn't wanted to say he hit an UFO, because it sounds crazy, not a bird strike because it sounds lame. a drone... yes the word drone sounds like a proper weapon of mass destruction.
Pilot should be fined!
You would think the insurance company would 'protest' against the airline, because the false report wastes their time and resources. If it is reported as a drone strike, then the insurance company would have to send investigators to the scene, to try and find evidence to link to a drone user and try and seek reparation for the damage. That's more resources and cost.
If it was initially reported 'I don't know what hit us.' then an investigation would probably just look at the damaged area and quickly access it as most likely a bird strike and do a procedural insurance claim. One investigator and straight forward. Less resources and cost. The Insurance Companies ALL deserve a 'kick in the pants.'
Maybe an insurance company should make a civil complaint against the airline policy? False reporting is not what Insurance Companies like to receive when claims are filed. There are severe penalties for doing that.
Bird are unmanned and they are aircraft so that makes them a drone. The question is, was the bird flying recreationally or not. Was the bird flying for the fun of it, or to migrate or escape from predators or find food?