The Norden - Gender
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- Опубликовано: 27 июл 2024
- Maria "Masha" Kopchenova from St.Petersburg, Russia, thinks that a man should be a man, and a woman should be a woman. There are gender differences, and there's no problem with that. What happens when she visits a gender-neutral kindergarten in Sweden? What will she discuss with a Finnish feminist and a Danish masculinist? And what on earth is snowploughing from a gender perspective? English subtitles. Host: Joakim Rundt.
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I haven't seem a single humanbeing, man or a woman enjoy ironing.
+Hazzelnot94 A man ironing is sexy though ;)
+Daseph J. Edwards Haha, since I wrote that comment my life has changed. I now actually do enjoy ironing.
+Hazzelnot94 I guess the only person I´ve seen -fictional tho- really loving ironing their clothes was Will Truman from the tv show Will&Grace :D
+Hazzelnot94 ...me neither, but they talked about kids - and kids do indeed mimic their parents.
i have seen children asking for toy kitchens and toy ironboard .. but when the moment comes they have to do it for real, then they start buying only knitter-free shirts haha
+Hazzelnot94 Ironing is fun, but is there a person who likes vacuuming and is not deaf?
In Finnish we only have the word "hän", which means both "he" and "she". However, to many people it sounds so awkwardly official that they use the word "se" instead, which literally means "it". It just occured to me that in everyday Finnish language even animals are equal with humans :D
Teknoaidi and they should be, they're much nicer than humans😉
KnifeRunners even donkey?!
Amenhotep Pimpernel III Never met a donkey, but the one in Winnie the pooh seemed nice
Animals are equal, they feel everything that the human-animal feels with the exception that AniMal)s)
do not feel guilt (but that is a survival instinct)
Neither can they help another who becomes injured, and tend to their injuries.
In every other way the AniMal feels what we feel.
You have yet to figure out what Am=niMal means.
I know, as I understand Latiin. and I am certain you do not know.
in hungarian (hi!!) the only word is ő, which encompasses all of he she and it.
This shows a rather extreme side of the gender debate in Scandinavia. Very odd that you chose to focus on the fringe instead of the mainstream...
I figured this had to be the fringe because, while I feel Scandinavians do a much better job addressing women issues, they aren't this off the walls about gender issues.
I agree that men and women are different, but that shouldn't be reason to treat anybody in a gender specific way. After all civilization is a way to overcome the prmitive parts of our biology, and no two women are the same.
I haven't watched this video, yet. I've watched all the others. So, I don't have anything specific about the video.
In my mind, treating people fairly does not mean that people are treated absolutely equally.
In 1919, women got the right to vote in the US. My grandmother died in 2000. When her cheating husband left her, he was able to legally take all the property and money from her, because the laws said that he could do that.
She received almost nothing.
It's not that we are starting at an equal position and then tilting the playing field towards women.
It's that the historical legal and cultural discrimination and unfairness towards women was completely accepted for the first couple centuries of the US.
We selectively discriminated against women. I think it's a little difficult to believe that you can change that history by just saying, "Well, now we don't. Everything is fair!"
We know very well that these things don't just change. IT takes generations to change stuff like this.
MyFabian94 Exactly, my view as well. Let everybody be the way they want. But if women chose to act like women, don't deride that as some huge failure by society.
MyFabian94 Well, young boys are more active and unconcentrated than young girls and they will mature slower. We need to take this into concideration when we handle them, we can't treat these boys as girls and we can't treat the girls as boys. This is an example of gender specific treatment that is soley based on their biology.
MyFabian94
You part contradict yourself.
Firstly you use the word >anybody<
Secondly you state > no two women are the same <
from these two statements one concludes you are a confused Man
and do not understand the language nor the meaning of many words.
The fact that No two Men nor WoMen are the same is because each is unique.
'One' is alive
"One' is Unique
* There is no 'one' like you and the never will be.
On the other hand a 'Body' is a DEAD entity.
You will find someBODY and everyBODY in the cemetery.
They ate all the same ... Stinking and rotten.
[S]o when sau it refers to the living Someone / Everyone
When you say it refers to the DEAD
Also Woman is incorrectly written
It is WoMan [Meaning coming {from Man}
The Bible clearly states that She was created from Adam's bent rib
Thus Man and WoMan are both (different Kinds of Man; collectively known as ManKind.
You should have learned that in school. Perhaps you did and ignored it or forgot about it
as you were indoctrinated and brainwashed by the Power Elite who control the world and
hide things from the people as they are too vulgar to know.
Now think about the word female (correctly written as FeMale and figure out what it means.
As a Norwegian I found this episode provocative. It made me angry because it presented a completely twisted and extremist view of gender equality in Nordic countries. The views and ideas presented here are not mainstream at all. They represent a fringe.
I think one should show what mainstream gender equality is like and how the differs from the rest of the world. That is IMHO a lot more interesting. As a Norwegian man the things I value about gender equality in Nordic countries are things such as:
1. I can leave work early and pick up my children from day care and the boss doesn't think that is weird and that it is a women's job.
2. I can stay home with my newborn for +3 months, and get to know my kids, by taking care of them, changing their diapers, bathing them whatever.
3. Child care/pre-school has a lot of male employees compared to other countries. I think they do such a great job. While women are more caring and think men are more playful and I think it is good for small children to be around men who can play with them and be silly.
4. More balance between the genders in that men spend more time taking care of their kids and women spend more time in the work place than what I've seen in other places.
5. I think it is good that we have had many prominent female politicians, because they bring a perspective which otherwise risk getting neglected.
I also like that a women can be strong and not be ridiculed or mocked as being cold. I thinking in particular about how say Hillary Clinton has been treated in the US. I think it is an obvious example of a society which discriminates against women. A man would never have gotten the treatment she has gotten.
So I do care a lot about gender equality. Stuff like the gentrification of toys bothers me. Like why does all the kitchen toys have to be pink? Can't boys play with that? Having said that I can't stand the Swedish brand of feminism. It comes of as ridiculous and extremist not rooted in reality. We have the gender researchers here in Norway as well with these nutty ideas that there is not gender difference brain wise. Gender is just a construct of society. Except there is no support in science like biology for this view.
Povel Vieregg Thanks for your comments and for watching - I appreciate it! Certain parts of all the episodes in this series might be considered somewhat provocative, though that's not the point of the series. We merely discuss certain aspects of the theme(s) we've chosen.
Sean Toney Well, someone's been watching his Fox & Friends...
Sean Toney Never seen allegations of corrupt politics and dishonesty about Hillary Clinton hold up to scrutiny. Your example about female vs male pay doesn't show dishonesty. Some think pay gap even if positions are different is a problem. I don't but I think people should be free to hold that view and not be labeld dishonest and corrupt. It is on quite a different scale to invade a whole country in false premises and half fabricated facts. Then in secret install a massive surveillance system of the whole American population.
Povel Vieregg actually, Hillary Clinton isn't only critized by the right media, also left outlets call her out on her campaign's financing. She has better connections than most Republican candidates.
I say Bernie Sanders is better than Hillary on that subject. If you want to talk about scrutiny, this guy would come out cleaner than white
Sean Toney Personal choices like those account for a certain percentage of the income gap, but not all of it. Women in essentially identical positions to men will still generally receive less raises/bonuses and therefore earn less despite holding the same position and working the same amount.
I feel this was probably the weakest of the ones made so far. Still interesting, but I didn't feel, compared to the other ones, that it gave a particularly 'real' impression of gender equality in Scandinavia.
Where the other episodes talked with relatively 'normal/average' people, this one seemed to focus a lot on people borderlining on extremists - at least compared to the average population.
One of the great things about the equality we have achieved so far, is that gender simply isn't an issue that most bother to discuss. It's like religion - it's so much a non-issue, that most just don't care.
Philip Zeplin so true!!
+Philip Zeplin and that's why you could say this episode is a hard one to do. because how the masses are not interested in any of this, while the feminists want to change tiny shit like the plowing, which is silly... (why plow the streets first? just because women are more likely to walk?? why? my first toughts were that "but won't the snow then go onto the sidewalk when the streets are plowed?".. idk, prob not depending on how it's plowed, but anyways, it shouldn't matter which you plow first, that's what being "Gender netural" should be about...) and then the "Masculinist" (btw in like the US the term Masculinist is aperently used as a satirical term which comedians use as they apropriate extreme feminists and shit into the male perspective, and go to street corners, or plazas and jump and joke arround using satire about issues, then those who don't get the satire call the cops and then the cops laugh at the "meninists"... shit' never mind! it was "Meninism" that was the term.. fuck, now all this text is worthless...) who i guess try to.. idk keep the bullshit a non-issue.
+Philip Zeplin I disagree. This is an important episode precisely because it documents the main issues in the contemporary feminist debate. Todays extremist will perhaps become the normalcy of tomorrow.
It is also important to critically assess the phenomena in society which are taken for given. That radical feminism is a more rare ideology outside of Scandinavia, and far more contentious.
Drinko76 "That radical feminism is a more rare ideology outside of Scandinavia" Actually, it's far more prevalent in the US, than it is in Europe.
But that's a bit besides the point. These videos are supposed to show examples of the nordic countries, when countered with someone from a very different culture. The issue with this particular episode, is that the person "representing" the nordic opinion, is actually also a minority.
+Philip Zeplin well said man
The hardest part is to buy 2 kid's toys with only 50 euros.
***** Toys are pricy..
+ruzha2l i bougth chinese made bags of soliders for 2€ every now and then when i saw such things with interesting things. now i have a box of them... overflowing with them... this includes those that my father had collected in his childhood too, which included ninjas :333
i prob spent like max 30€ on that box full of toys. i acted out battle scenarios with them. how fun.
Thanks for doing this series, it's been really interesting.
Jean~Luc Picard Thanks for watching!
+Jean~Luc Picard Nooooo, thank you for TNG mon capitan.
Reading these comments in 2021 as a nonbinary genderfluid person, it's both disheartening to see people think that lgbtqia+ representation is fringe, and almost incredibly inspiring to see already how far society has come. Perhaps most of those who are open minded are younger (millennial and gen z), but I am gen z and I'm about to turn 21. We are taking over society and from what I can see from my interactions with the global youth, this generation may be the ones to truly change things for the better.
I think it's also how the journalists portrayed people, the Swedish speaking Finn probably cares about both genders' issues but she is portrayed as only caring about that and the Dane only speaks about men's issues in the clip. Feminism is about equality. That's one way that they seem extreme
In all the other episodes, I found myself agreeing with the Nordic pov but in this one I'd say that the Nordics have gone overboard. I agree with Masha Kochenova. While I do believe in equal rights - the Nordics, particularly the Swedes, have gone completely insane.
Luckily a lot of the Nordic people also find it ridiculous, which is shown when they ask people in the street.
Amen to that. Sweden is at this point in time a feminist experiment gone wrong.
I live in Norway, and there are not many of these kind of feminists here, I have never met anyone like that.
When that finnish feminist said that people are brainwashed from birth to be men and women, I cringed.
Goddamnit, Sweden
BadassRandomness #NotAllSwedes
Maria,is so cool and beautiful, she is what an independent woman should look like.
The anecdote at the end really explain modern feminism perfectly.
An independent woman whose only dream is to be taken care of, and who only wants that for her daughter? Please. ( 22:00 )
Every time I hear this mainstream Russian opinion on gender roles I thank my parents I didn't grow up there.
That book about a boy wearing of dress is like thoses Christian Rock group that try to be cool, but really aren't. While being stupid too, it's hard to run in dresses, that's why every football player wears shorts, male or female...
And that whole Daycare is just them pushing their own ideas on kids, and well, aren't day care supposed to be fun for the Kids while the parents are at work ? Not about educating kids in a certain way that is convenient with your own ideas ?
That's disgusting, imo.
Well, I think you may have understood the "gender neutral" kindergarten a bit wrong. To my understanding they just let kids be who they are. So if a boy WANTS to wear a dress, they let him. Of course they also let boys be "manly" and girls be "girly". I'm sure it's not about pushing their own ideas and not having fun. It's more about having fun and at the same time learning about things. For example the stories they tell may include a boy who wears a dress. It's not saying everybody should wear a dress. It's more like saying that it's OK for a boy to wear a dress if he wants to.
They don't have toys for girls or boys. They let the kids play with whatever toys they want. So if a boy wants to play with a Barbie, that's fine. But if a boy wants to play with guns, that's fine too. So they are not forcing boys to play with Barbies and girls to play with guns. That's how I understood it.
+MaggaraMarine Or if he wants to play better...
Wow. I have watched all your episodes. Great great content :)
James Zhuang Thanks for the kind words, appreciate it!
Awesome series, watched them all. Thanks for the subtitles especially! Very interesting point of views and something to learn for other countrys. As a german, i am very envyous of how the nordic countrys handle social stuff. That is very advanced and the pure facts and numbers proof that you guys are doing it right!
jkay303 Cheers man!
EASILY the best episode so far. Really shows a dynamic view point on the issue.
Boy should look like a boy.
A girl should look like a girl.
Women should get lips that look like a fish.
Perfect logic, I win.
LOL
Ikr?
Thanks for these episodes! I hope you'll keep them coming!
This is a really nice documentary series from the nordic countries. Sober, informative and to the point. Thx for the uploads
Fantastic addition to the series! Please continue!
How I would like to live in a place where the problems are invented
+Fluminis Auro
So true.
+Fluminis Auro exactly . humans are not thankful generally.
Word, brother. It's almost like humans just need to create new problems to be happy.
Those lip injections must have been incredibly painful. Are they permanent or do you have to redo them?
She will have to get them redone at some point.
Maria was lovely -- I really wish the conservatives over here in the States were 1/10th as level-headed & thoughtful as her. She seemed like the kind of person you could comfortably have a conversation with even if you disagreed.
Dr. Zoidberg She is no different from the average Western European conservative.
Did you watch the episode on religion with the US pastor ? He was just as polite and patient as her.
The thing is, you could have that conversation, as long as you don't expect them to apply logic or justify their opinions.
For this series, I don't mind. The author wants to present Scandinavia through the eyes of outsiders, and polite listening and polite disagreeing works very well as a reaction.
But in my opinion, a conversation is valuable only if you can dig, until the opinion either makes sense or crumbles.
In some way I also agree with the Russian woman. She has good ideas and clearly is a smart person even though she has slightly different ideas than me. I believe there are differences between genders that are undisputed but there are so many moments where these limits are broken that I wouldn't say "Women are this and men this. Period" unless it's a jokish way. I know there are a lot of differences and I like that they brought up many things related to genders and gender identities. Also, the Russian woman has a really good attitude: "I wouldn't be happy if my son would like to wear a dress but I would support him." Perfect. Honesty and kindness. I bet she is a good mother.
+NachoFast Same here
24:01
Her expression says:
"There's no hope for you."
Nicely done! The last moments were very well played. I love that we didn't have to endure any immature rage :) I do see each side bringing up some good points. All good when we won't need to make a big hairy deal out of it all :/
Mange takk for serien! Det var så interessant :)
Norway was the first country to introduce quotas.
We *invented* quotas.
Fucking hell does that not sting right in the pride, right in my heart.
I am so damn sorry to hear that... and even more sorry that it's a thing, even if I know I'm not personally responsible.
Also, that feminist lunatic who wrote a book about the dress she's forcing her son to wear is just a classic story of the Swedish feminist dystopia at work, a classic tale of how insane they are getting, though it's mild compared to much of the crazy that I've seen. For the Russian lady - and that's what you are - who was in this, I'm sorry to see you subjected to this mess.
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+Terenin
"We invented quotas."
**screams internally**
Terenin #NotAllSwedes
I'm really enjoying these very much. Thanks!
"Women are more caring than men." I laughed out loud when she said that. I have known plenty of women who do not fit that description at all. Anyone who has spent any amount of time among teenage girls know just how vicious women can be towards other ppl.
And as for "men being more aggressive in general" - part of that has to do with hormones, but a much larger part is our cultural expectations that men be aggressive. And men who don't fit that description are often ridiculed and labeled "gay" regardless of whether or not they actually are. Which results in them feeling they have to act a certain way in society in order to be accepted. It's a self-fulfilling prophesy.
you guys alsways find the perfect person to give a point of view. All these docs are great!
i really like this series, Thanks for uploading! :D
First time I' am feeling embarrassed of being Nordic after watching one of these documentaries.
I agree.
I totally agree
thepuksu I'm finnish... Holy fuck was that finnish feminist annoying.
***** se pitäisi häätää maasta
+Rosvosektori Look up Warren Ferrell Protest in University of Toronto. You'll instantly feel better about just having that one. :/
I research gender differences in psychology and I believe all people should have equal rights and opportunities, but I do believe biology should not be discounted as something that shapes you, just as your upbringing shouldn't.
Thank you for the documentaries! They are very interesting!
Nice video. Liked Maria's little speech around 22:15 in particular.
It kind of frustrates me how she doesn't seem to be aware of gender roles and the harm that they have on people who don't fit the 'him' or 'her' mold. It baffles me that someone can be so brainwashed by society that they cant see something that plays a role in every single thing that they do everyday, especially when raising children.
she's so close, too... she says something like "well yes if my son wants to wear a dress I would help him make that work but I wouldn't wish for him to do it"
Why? Why wouldn't you wish? The answer is obvious... it's because of the social stigma--she knows her son would get attacked and bullied and harmed for it... and she'd rather change him so he conforms (not let him be himself) than give society the opportunity to hurt him for being different.
It's the same twitch self-protective thing cross dressers, gay people and trans people all tend to do instinctively... because society tells them quite clearly they should not be what they are...
Exactly, it's right in front of her eyes but she just doesn't want to make the next step in her logic. It is too annoying.
Russians are long lived conservatives who do not care about the western norm of gender equality, she believes that the genders are balanced which is true.
Shield FleeT her position is demonstrably immoral and I explained why in my last comment; if you have a counterargument I'd be happy to read and discuss.
I'm not sure what you mean by "the genders are balanced" but on the surface it comes off as nonsense. I would agree that "the genders are balanced" in the sense that they are arbitrary and don't exist, such that any woman can have the same preferences, habits, behaviors of a man, and any man can have the same preferences, habits, or behaviors of a woman. This is obvious and evident, given that there are extremely feminine men and extremely masculine women.
Matthew Long Not gonna waste time on arguing with an idiot who thinks gender isn't mainly biological now fuck off
Are there going to be any more episodes of these documentaries? They are so fascinating and extremely well made, I'd love to see more.
+Katie Lee-Kearns I think they are making one as we speak. On John Stark's channel they have a video where they are asking for ideas for the next episode!!
For the first time in this series I wholeheartedly agree with the outsider. Also for the first time, I have the impression that a good majority of the interviewed locals reacted the same way. I think Masha nailed it when she said (I'm paraphrasing) that when you have a good society that works well, without any major problems, someone will make new ones up to fulfill an innate need for confrontation. The book about the dress, I'm sorry to say, is wrong and harmful; it clearly goes way beyond the scope that he author wants us to believe she meant, by showing that wearing a dress makes the kid BETTER at football. The message should be that it's not really important, and nothing should change if you dress one way or another. If anything, the kid should have been good at football whether in jeans or a skirt, regardless. I could also go on for hours explaining why I think that the quota system is utter rubbish, but my comment is already long enough...
I agree. Making a dress looking better doesn't change anything. You should encourage people to think "Clothes don't change your masculinity/femininity" and not "A dress makes you better at anything". I agree that we should try to eliminate social stimga about sex/gender, but you can't eliminate biological differences. Most women are weaker, that's a fact. You can't change this fact no matter how much you eliminate gender stereotypes. However, society should also be tolerant about people who don't fit in the norm. There are very strong women and also very weak men. They don't fin in the norm, but shouldn't be mocked by that.
hey John, you are doing a wonderful job. could you please make more documentaries on various cultural things in scandinavia?
What :D Maria first met the feminist, who clearly said that gender roles are harmful to _both_ genders. That men can't often be be-at-home fathers etc. And then she meets a maninist and tells to him that the feminist said that only women are pushed down. I doubt she even listened to her... I also don't think that gender-neutral approach is preventing boys to be masculine and to girls to be feminine, as she claims. If that's how they are, why would their parents try to change that? But gender-neutral approach just helps those children to find their identity, who aren't that masculine or feminine as their "should" be because of their gender.
Moreover, I can't understand why meninists want to bring back the traditional roles. Maria said it exactly as it is: "men should have a leading role and be like a captain (take all the responsibility and stand for all the difficulties) while women should just be relaxing and having a good time (no responsibility and no expectations for talents)". That's not equal to any of the genders, but it's even more unequal to men than to women.
But I do think gender equality can go too far. If there's good experienced workers in one career, but most of them are men, I see no problem. I think women in today's (Northern-European) societies have very equal rights to take education and jobs outside traditional gender roles. It's up to them to choose "non-traditional" career. To pay someone to pick up persons from another gender is just artificial. True equality is that you get paid same salary for same job regardless your gender. Of course it's interesting to ask why a crucial job like nurse (where most of workers are women) is paid so less. Maybe they needed more strikes?
+TubeKettu The problem is that what we just saw is NOT really a "gender-neutral" approach. If you tell boys that a girly dress will make them better at football, you are interfering where you shouldn't. If you give both women and men the possibility to go on maternity/paternity leave, but still mostly women use it, as a government you've done your part, you don't need more laws! If less women want to become directors and elected officials and whatnot, and you artificially push their numbers, you are not doing anyone a favour, all you are saying is that they can't make it on their own!
+reezlaw Exactly what I said in my last chapter, I think. Thanks for the reply :)
+reezlaw I agree, it's putting boys down. Everything boys like is bad. girls don't wear dresses when they play football. girls usually wear trousers now anyway. it's so old fashioned. Also I'll believe they want equality when they're demanding to clean the sewers.
+TubeKettu Well there is also the addition that if we have to enforce "boys do this, girls do that" on children rather than letting them choose on their own in order for boys to be "masculine" and girls to be "feminine," they've pretty much admitted that a lot of the cultural ideas about masculinity and femininity are just that - cultural constructs. If they weren't, then all boys would always want "masculine" things regardless of what options are presented to them. Same thing for girls.
And yes, the traditional roles is stiffing for both sexes, possibly even more so for men as they would have to try to earn enough money to support a family entirely on their own. And that's just unreasonable in today's economy (unless you're very wealthy or are in an extremely well-paying job). In most middle class jobs, they'd almost never get to see their family. For poor families? Forget it, it's just not physically possible.
Quotas are a bit poisonous. It's good in the beginning to force integration, but after awhile it becomes rather toxic as the person whose gender or race required to be hired then has to fight the stigma that they aren't actually qualified and were just hired as a "token" minority to meet a quota. And yes, we should re-examine many careers and the pay rate for those jobs. Unions would help a great deal there. Unfortunately, I live in a nation (and a state) where "union" is treated like a dirty word. Of course, government jobs should lead the way. I'm thinking specifically of public school teachers.
+Tensai55 *"a lot of the cultural ideas about masculinity and femininity are just that - cultural constructs. If they weren't, then all boys would always want "masculine" things regardless of what options are presented to them. Same thing for girls."*
Much about it is cultural constructs - but not all. For example, even small babies are usually attracted to different kind of toys regarding their gender (there was a test made, where boy babies most often paid most attention to cars and girl babies paid most often attention to dolls if they chose themselves). How I see this: some part is cultural, another part is biological. Depends on culture how great role the biological part has. And by "biological" I don't mean that girls automatically like dresses and stuff and boys automatically like cars and stuff. There's, of course, girls and boys (women and men) with preferences outside the "norm".
*"And yes, the traditional roles is stiffing for both sexes, possibly even more so for men as they would have to try to earn enough money to support a family entirely on their own. --- In most middle class jobs, they'd almost never get to see their family. For poor families? Forget it, it's just not physically possible."*
Yea. I've heard/read too many stories of fathers who work trough their children's childhood and notice it just when it's too late that they've alianated from their families. This kind of stories are sad - and the mother also is suffering from being separated from her husband.
*"Quotas are a bit poisonous. It's good in the beginning to force integration, but after awhile it becomes rather toxic as the person whose gender or race required to be hired then has to fight the stigma that they aren't actually qualified and were just hired as a "token" minority to meet a quota. And yes, we should re-examine many careers and the pay rate for those jobs. Unions would help a great deal there. Unfortunately, I live in a nation (and a state) where "union" is treated like a dirty word. Of course, government jobs should lead the way. I'm thinking specifically of public school teachers."*
I'm not really sure if I understood your last chapter (English is not my mothertongue). But I agree that there's some careers not given the honor they deserve (for they're hard jobs and crucial for the society), while other careers have been paid way too much (due to monopoly or high placement on legislation, for example).
Well, as for the boy in a dress issue - that's more a matter of what clothing styles are "in vogue" at this point in time. If you've watched history programs about life in the dark ages, middle ages, and the renaissance periods, you'll have seen that "upper class" men used to wear dresses as well as make up off and on though history.
the point is to combat social stigma in general though. Such that we can obtain a higher level of human freedom without shame and alienation.
Saran Chan I agree with you for most of the civilized world, but the ladies freedoms often come attached with higher costs at the register. The lack of variety is seems a fair trade for me, but definitely a bad deal for women when it comes to haircuts.
I like that kindergarten. It let's children evolve in an environment completely free of gender roles. A young boy likes to play with guns? No problem. A young girl like to play with guns? No problem. A young boy likes to iron? No problem. A young girl likes to iron? No problem. Basically, these children can develop without anyone telling them that they cannot be something or should be something. They are free to grow up being themselves, whether that's being typical for their gender (in today's standards) or not. It fills me with delight to see that there are places on earth that allow humans to be humans. I hope that eventually the rest of the world will follow this example.
I love these videos. I'm a stay at home father, so it's been interesting to me to experience the attitude towards gender roles.
Another really interesting seres, thanks! When the ironing board came out I was reminded of my school. My (male) teacher said to ‘the boys’ some day your mum won’t be around to iron your clothes and if you have a girlfriend she won’t want to do it. So this is how to iron. And so I learnt. UK.
Would be fun if you also where more in norway aswell.... I think it's very intresting to see :D
You make some excellent short documentaries.
Why is "hen" hated? Because it's forced and pretencious.
Language does not evolve in this manner, where a small group of people insist that everyone should use a word instead of already existing words. It put it's users on a high-horse with self-proclaimed moral superiority; while the denouncers are looked upon as opponents of equal rights.
You call people who don't use "hen" bigots? You are just proving my point.
No, they aren't. It's a language issue, not a gender issue. The swedish language doesn't have a gender neutral pronoun and even if it needed it this is not the natural way for it to become one.
The way I see it "hen" is far gone to ever be accepted. There is too much stigma involved. "Hen" should have been promoted as the most logical option for talking about unspecified persons, but it was popularized as a feministic, far-left, hip word with an agenda.
The agenda may have been kind hearted, where is was ment to stop the alleged "gender roles". But those who didn't use it got blamed for supporting inequality.
peronkop You have been crystal clear and right on the money. Thanks!
It's not just that though. It's also hated because it's utter nonsense. "Han" and "Hun" are not offensive. If certain people associate them with negative stereotypes or feel pressured by the two words, they need their heads examined. The problem is with them, and not with everyone else.
Unless the government forces everyone to say hen, who cares. Why have a stick up your but, just cause folks have the option? Jeez.
It's like where I live in New Jersey where people get pissed cause I say someone is Caucasian instead of saying white, and then I'm called out for being too PC, cause I personally like that option better.
very interesting! expecting more videos !!!
Russia is a better model in this regard. Scandinavia seems like a laboratory experiment gone awry when it comes to gender roles.
How wonderful it would be to live in a world where everything is gender neutral.... Where kids can grow up worrying and fussing less over "what is right for girls to do" or "what is right for boys to do", and focusing more on just being a kid and having fun. It would be amazing for the children of the world to be able to grow up in an environment where they aren't restricted by what sex they were born as. I really do think that perhaps, without strict gender roles, there would be no sexism.
Interesting and thought provoking episode. I find it necessary to have a very nuanced opinion on gender roles these days. I don't think they're good or bad, but they should be there for the people who want them, when they want them. However, they should not be forced on anyone. I also do agree with the "Masculinist" in this episode that many Feminists seem dogmatically opposed to the notion of biology playing any role in shaping gender. This should be obvious. Many nearly universal views of gender are firmly grounded in evolution. For example, the male sex drive is a direct result of us producing more plentiful gametes with lower resource investment. Of course, when we're talking about differences between men and women, we're only talking about averages. Averages are misleading, and individuals can always surprise you. Individuals who are unusual should be encouraged and supported. Still, I don't know if we'll ever see a mass exodus from gender roles of any kind. I'm not sure it's in our nature.
Well this is a really important topic for transgender people. I'd grown up playing with cars, superhero figures, legos and barbies. And I'm a 21 year old woman who practise karate and I'm straight but I hate pink and I almost never wear dresses or makeup lol I don't know why people are so afraid of raising their kids outside the norm. Me and brothers used to dress up with my grandmas clothes and they are also straight lol
KaleidoscopeEffect People are not afraid of that...they just dont care about "norms", they care about whether or not their kids are happy and prosper. In general, that is.
Monscent Many are afraid that their kids will be gay only because they don't play with toys that are 'meant for their gender' or dress differently.
KaleidoscopeEffect who are you talking about? I dont know about your country but here in Sweden certainly there are NOT "many" that are afraid of their kids being gay due to certain colors.
Monscent I'm talking about parents in general. There's a bunch of experiments showing how parents would react if one of their kids (a boy) asks for a barbie doll in a store or if they want to dress as a girl character in halloween. Many parents don't like this sort of thing.
KaleidoscopeEffect A bunch of experiments you say? Which studies, where? Performed when?
Great series :-)
What do people mean with that “hen” is weird? It’s such a useful word. If you for example are talking to someone on the internet and don’t know if they are a girl or a boy you can use it.
It is technically useful, however it seems underdeveloped - I don't think that there exist any actual object forms of that word, like for example a word that can be used for "honom"/"henne", but I guess maybe that word is simply "hen" itself. This is not quite optimal, since it can be mistaken for the subject form, but it seems to work well enough.
So it looks like the whole problem in the video is Gender normativity, the idea that citizens are given certain expectations from birth to act or behave a certain way based on what gender they were assigned at birth. While our new, 21st century thinking is tolerant of people who DON'T act that way, we still have that expectation. It's not forced, but normativity is a type of subtle comformity meant to assign roles or an identity on a person that person may not want or agree with. It's the idea that "women should be women and men should be men".
Modern Feminism, is about erasing that expectation. It's about giving people the freedom from birth to behave or act in anyway they want without worry of whether it adds value to that expected role of man or woman. A man can behave masculine or feminine, and the same goes for woman. We can be happy to be ourselves because we chose our role or identity for ourselves.
However, the reason Maria wanted to ask what men and women like about being men, is that conformity isn't possible without adding value to it. Societal expectations must assign more value to men being masculine than men being feminine otherwise what's the point of worrying about gender roles at all? And this conformity is centered on valuing masculinity more than femininity. It's ok for women to be feminine because that's what they're supposed to be, but femininity isn't assigned with power, strength, or leadership like masculinity is. Again, it's tolerated because we become more open-minded than ever before, but it's not expected. Feminism is in the context that masculinity is more highly valued than femininity, and should be valued equally.
But one approach that leads to the whole "Feminazi" label, is trying to assign power to femininity, where a girl is supposed to be powerful, strong like men but not with men. It's a bad strategy, because it leads to the idea that women want to take power from men, and do it without masculinity which means they are "crazy bitches who hate men".
I can see where why some feminists try this approach, but it's incomplete. The assumption is that femininity should be powerful like masculinity, but the best way for people to understand feminism, is that everyone is allowed to be both, or neither, or whatever they want. Hell, the whole concept of "masculinity vs. femininity" is the idea that men and women are always different from each other yet all men are the same and all women are the same. I can only ever be one or the other? How much sense does that make?
If you value your masculinity but still wear dresses, it's all good. If a woman values her femininity but still wants to be a CEO, good for her.
Feminism is about achieving equality for men and women, not about forcing quotas or roles or whatever. It's not about "forcing" anything, it's about freedom. The freedom to be whoever you want without expectation, and the encouragement to do so from society. And this is where the "hen" pronoun comes from. If you want that freedom, you have to take off any expectations even in everyday conversation. Children are constantly absorbing new information, so assigning roles even in language can have impacts.
There's no expectation, only encouragement. Those kindergarden books are clearly about giving encouragement to kids to do whatever makes them happy, even though some people don't agree with that. Even here in America, cartoons have stronger feminist messages than ever before. The Legend of Korra and Steven Universe are my personal favorites. And when you imprint these kinds of positive messages in children, they'll grow up more understanding and less worried about whether they should behave a certain way. That to me, is a really wonderful thing, and makes me very optimistic for the future.
newsearching Completely agree with your points!
Actually, we have this tradition here in Sweden called "Lucia" that is celebrated on December the 13th. It's celebrated in most schools and the person who'll be Lucia (who's a girl) is dressed in a gown with a candled crown. (It's easiest if you google it to see what it looks like).
So this last year a school decided to have a lottery to decide who got to be Lucia that year, and it turned out to be a boy. Everyone in class was happy about it, he was happy about it, the school was happy about it. Nothing strange. No one cared that he's male except for some of the parents. Of course. It set off this huge deal where threats were being sent to the school and they wanted to cancel the whole thing or they wouldn't show up and so on so forth. I just find it so interesting that the children couldn't care less! I think they were around 8 years old? Maybe a bit older. But the parents thought it was a huge deal, so you see where the standards come from, and then in turn if you turn back the clock you can see where they got their views from etc etc. I get that tradition is important, but the gender of the person "impersonating" Lucia is not essential to the tradition. She was still female, just portrayed here by a male.
Similar events have happened before but usually it's not a huge issue, people mostly go along with it. Though I know of this other school where there was only one boy who wanted to be Lucia, no girls were interested. But they cancelled (I think that's how it ended) the whole thing despite protests from the students, so in the end there was no Lucia celebration at all. These students were 14-15 years old.
Just interesting scenarios regarding pre-concieved gender norms.
I was once in St Petersburg in the winter with lots of snow...they didn't plough
Unimportant comment. The interviews she does at around minute 25, looks like to be next to the Niels Bohr Institute for physics and Fælledparken in Copenhagen. Made me miss Denmark and the years at the Institute.
Love this series. What's the next episode about?
Hey jjjjjjjjjj11ify, have you watched the earlier episodes (links found in the information text box)? The next upload is about work.
John Stark
Awesome! i hope there are more to come! thanks for the work you put into that and the subtitles so everyone can enjoy this!
I think the issue is more the language. Some languages don't have the destinction between gender and sex as in english. It's clearly visible when they are interviewing people on the street. They conflate the terms.
As for the word "hen", I use it. If I'm explaining something or talking about any kind of hypotethical scenario where there gender is unimportant, I would use the word "hen" rather than say "he/she". It's just easier, one word for "someone/anyone". *shrugs*
I have a quick but honest question (guess both became rather unusual in the current state of the debate)...
What is the logic behind trying to achieve equality by treating one group with more care and thought that the other? If there are equal opportunities, equal duties/rules and equal rights to chose how one wants to live their life wouldn't that be more equal than pandering to one group but not the other?
I agree with Maria. what is so bad with boys being boys and girls being girls. as long as they have the equal rights, same opportunities and are being respected as the human being they are. what's the problem?
I think we're taking it too far in some ways in Scandinavia. I think maternety/paternety leave should be decided in the family. I think the snow ploughing is stupid (even if the statistics weren't as stupid as they are it would just favour the other gender and that's not equality). I think "hen" can be a useful word as sometimes for example I want to be able to pose a hypothesis about a person of no specified gender: "If hen wanted to do X, hen would need a Y". I think a lot of traditionally female jobs are underpaid in general (like nurses). I think quotas are dumb, people should get a job on their merits alone, male or female, and not because of their gender.
A very interesting presentation indeed, we have quite a similar situation in the U.S.A. although it has yet to engulf the federal government here.
I love the face of confusion on Maria's face when she sees the book. "What is this nonsense" and I agree. Pushing gender neutrality is still forcing something on people. Most people will identify as their own biological gender, why force gender neutrality on them? If they later on identify as the opposite gender on their own then fine.
Toveri Juri Fighting discrimination with oppression - Modern/3rd wave Feminism 2015
They are not forcing gender equality, as the teacher said, "kids know already if they are boys or girls", which I agree, I didnt choose to be straight, or a girl, nobody pushed that idea on me, they just pushed the idea of how, I, as a girl and straight, am supposed to be in this society.
Andrea C
Except I'm not talking about gender equality, that's another matter completely. Forcing them to be in a gender neutral environment is just as much of pushing an idea onto them as raising them in the traditional way.
They are not better or doing anything different that what people with traditional methods do. They have a progressive idea and they are pushing it to the kids. To state otherwise is hypocrisy.
If you truly want a neutral environment then don't push any ideas on them at all. Don't show them a book about a boy in a skirt who plays football. leave all sorts of toys that have different associations in our society and let them discover themselves what they like most.
Who knows how well that would work, but it sure is more neutral than pushing a certain idea into their heads from a young age.
+Toveri Juri I didn't read the book but in the video it looks like the protagonist is a boy who likes to wear dresses. The book simply states that it's okay for the boy to wear a dress because a dress has nothing to do with what gender you are. If the boy identifies as a girl then that of course is fine, too, but that's a whole other story.
+Toveri Juri
I didn't see the book as forcing boys to wear dresses or anything like that. It was just a story about a boy that wears a dress. It is there to show that people are different - some boys want to wear a dress and that should be OK and there should be nothing wrong with it. IMO we need that kind of stories, similarly as we need stories with families with two dads or moms. Because if kids learn about them at a young age, they will not see anything wrong or strange in it.
How I understood it, the idea of that kindergarten is to let the kids be who they are. So if a boy wants to do "girly" things, that's fine. But if a boy wants to do "manly" things, that's also fine. It's not like they are telling boys to be more feminine and girls to be more masculine. They are just letting them be who they are. This is how I understood it. I don't know how it works in practice.
Chick at 26:17 had the best answer to the question of what is the best thing about being a woman
On point
Is it the filter on the camera, or are the Nordic countries really that grey?
I agree with some of the points presented towards not forcing children to be raised with gender stereotypes in mind. However, I don't think any current society is at a level where it can properly tackle such a subject - at the very least, I suppose this generation may attempt to pave the way for a better future.
at 23:57, I initially thought she said 'cannonballs' rather then 'cannibals'
The problem with people like her is that she has a specific definition of what it means to be a woman and a man. But these characteristic are very only old-fashion and reproduce prejudices and stereotypes that are then shoved down our children’s’ throats. Take, for example, her description of a “real” man. He has to be the captain, he has to be strong and confident. But not every man wants to be like this and not every man has the ability to be. So instead of saying, find yourself and be want YOU want to be, she pushes her unrealistic expectation on her children. The same goes for girls. Not every girl wants to be a mother, but I can tell you from experience that if you are from a Russian family and you are 30 years old and “still” did not reproduce, you are worthless… and I mean it exactly that… you are worthless, a pitiful creature that was not able to get a husband and it really doesn’t matter if you have two academic degrees and a great life, In their eyes you failed as a WOMAN. That’s just horrible concept of what it means to be a woman or a human being. She defines the worth of her children by arbitrary, completely old-fashion stereotypes. I don’t think we need to change the pronouns in our language, I get why some feminist find it a good tool to symbolizes the equality between the genders, but if I listen to a woman talk about wanting to relax and enjoy her life.. I don’t think she actually understand what it means to be a woman in a society that is not equal. I think she should spend some time in Afghanistan, where girls are being sold, their bodies mutilated, where it is a threat to your life to go to school. Equality between genders does not mean that there a no difference between man or woman, and if you want to life a certain way, for example, be a stay-at-home mother, that’s fine… equality means that if you don’t want that, if you want to be the freaking general, captain and president of it all then you can. She is really delusional.
"Millions of crowner" It's crowns you fool xD
Such a danglish translation :P
Their English is so good. Almost no accent, amazing.
Oh boy...Many feminists drive me crazy. "There is no difference between men and women!" From a economic and politic view there is not and should not be but from a biologically there is. And that's because our genders are supposed to team up and not to fight each other.
I also wear dresses, played with barbies etc. but still was dressed like a cowboy when i was 3 for carnival and i soooo loved Lego. I never felt restricted by my gender (except for the not-being-able-to-pee-while-standing-especially-in-train-station-bathrooms) without any non-gender pronoun. I still was a girl and i'm still a woman.
Can't help but keep picturing the chef from the muppet show in my head when listening to this.
Maria doesn't understand that gender equality has taken decades to achieve improvements. She is "culture-bound", and doesn't understand the Nordic states. The Nordic states understand her, though, because she has old-fashioned notions, and this is what was past. They represent what is future.
Thats borderline child abuse really, I absolutely believe that can fuck alot of them up..
+Monscent idk. tell me how this would be a thing. i am interested in hearing your point of view.
+julkkis666 why don't you tell me your thoughts on the matter and I'll comment on that.
Monscent i don't even know which specific part you are talking about... and i don't really have that strong oppinions about most of the shit they said in the kindergarten.
your turn.
+julkkis666 No it's not my turn because you just made a comment without saying anything. If you don't have any opinions then why should I have to formulate arguments for you to comment on? Come again when you actually have something to say. You were the one that started this by replying to me, and if you have nothing to say then I wont bother.
Monscent i may not have a strong opinion on the what ever you are talking about. this video handles allot of subjects and many points of view, thus it is hard to judge the video as a whole. i assumed tho that you were criticizing something about the Kindergarten part.. tho i have no idea which part about the Swedish child care place you were talking about...
ideas spread thru people spreading ideas. if you are not willing to tell other people why you believe something, or think something, other people will have no reason to take to heart anything you say about what you say, EXSPECIALLY IF THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE AN IDEA WHAT PART of sometihng the person is critisizing.
let's take this example conversation:
-"The tax system sucks."
-"how does it suck?... wait? which part of the tax system? do you mean the entire tax system? do you propose we live in anarchy? how do you propose, if you don't want a world w/o law enforcement, infrastructure, etc we then finance these things if not thru taxes?"
-"why don't you tell me your thoughts on the matter and I'll comment on that."
-"i don't even know which specific part you are talking about... and i don't really have that strong opinions about the tax system in it's present state.
your turn."
-"No it's not my turn because you just said something without saying anything. If you don't have any opinions then why should I have to formulate arguments for you to comment on? talk to me again when you actually have something to say. You were the one that started this by replying to me, and if you have nothing to say then I wont bother."
perhaps it is you who lack in any strong opinions, since you do not want to defend your point of view, you don't even want to explain it to others... which is what i would like to know more than anything in this thread... becasue i have no idea what you mean by your comment. please, explain further what you think of what ever it is you think stuff about. please. then i will be aible to say what you requested of me with your second comment.
agreed with the guy about equal pay ....but came down on the side of the lady about the gender dressing. I had it pointed out to me by my wife that women don't worry about gender dressing ,its only the vast majority of males who don't wear dresses. as the vast majority of females wear trousers or jeans... and I think the snow clearing is good for both medias of transport (roads and footpaths) but for the benefit of all rather than turning it into a gender issue...
By the way the snowplowing thing was a huge mistake, it caused huge loses and the feminist then blamed the men driving the plows......
Where/how do most Nordic people learn English? I've noticed in these episodes that a lot of Nordic people (Finnish ones especially) sound kind of British when they are speaking English but then others don't.
+Count Fenriz "Dead" Occulta we learn it in school from third grade. Usually people who travel a lot or spend lots of time on the internet develop accents. Usully people in high school take a year off to travel the world. They too also gets an accent from where they traveled.
In Denmark the English we are taught is normally the British English and some teacher will actually remark if you have an American accent.
I don't understand quite what the feminist wants?
It was actually quite common in the 18th century for boys to wear dresses.
Dang this show is so cool. Does the U.S.A have anything like this?
I think the main difference between the feminist and the masculinist she met is what they focused on.
The feminist focused on the mind, the organ that is humanity's distinguishing feature and pointing out that mentally, women are just as fit as men for almost all roles in society. For example, there's no reason a woman can't be successful in business or many other jobs which are "traditionally male" just as there's no reason men can't be successful in jobs that are "traditionally female." Mentally speaking, of course. And each person is different in terms of what they find easier. Some women are great at management and mathematics (areas traditionally associated with men). Some men are really good at nurturing roles and artistic endeavors (areas traditionally associated with women).
The masculinist focused on the body and the physical differences between the sexes. Obviously, there are physical differences between the sexes and male and female bodies have different physical attributes. For example, very few women (statistically) are physically suited for careers in elite military forces. That doesn't mean they can't train themselves to fulfill that role, but they must be much more dedicated and train much harder than a man to reach that level. And of course, there is the matter of what diseases and other risks are more of a problem for each of the sexes. Radical feminists do love to claim there is no physical difference other than genitalia, but they are factually wrong.
Personally, I don't like quotas. I think it needs to start at the educational level and making sure that children are pursuing the educational and career path that best appeals to them, regardless of their gender. And I want the best person for the job to be hired, regardless of what their gender is. However, we do run into built-in biases by ppl doing the hiring. They've done studies (in the United States, so it may be different elsewhere) where resumes that were completely identical except for the name (male name vs female name) resulted in the man being hired over the woman a statistically significant number of times (I don't remember the exact percentage). So obviously, my ideal just isn't feasible yet. We need to have a cultural shift away from the idea that some jobs are female and other jobs are male. Exactly how we go about doing that? I have no idea.
Where can I find the video with no subtitles?
I want MORE please and thanks
I need to move to Scandinavia
I'd love to see a episode about education.
Very interesting thank you John stark
Thank you, much appreciated! :)
I was born in Germany in 1976 and have been living in Scandinavia for 22 years. I have studied (even Swedish and Danish history), worked and lived in Sweden and Denmark. In my opinion, there are big differences between Sweden and Denmark. In Denmark are gender models (ideas about how men and how women should be) much more important as here in Sweden. Even about LGBT-topics is Denmark are more conservative country. A lot of Danes want to have "real man" and "real women", just like people in Eastern Europe, and so the Danish society have not made much progression about equal possibilities for women and men compared with many other countries. I have hurt and read that there are also important differences between Sweden and Finland. I often felt that Germany is more progressive than Denmark.
I think, you shouldn't talk about the Nordic countries, but about different topics in Sweden, Finland, Norway, Denmark and Iceland. There's no Nordic society or Nordic culture, but there are big differences between these countries when it's about history, geography, the political culture or society. Often have Denmark and Sweden stand on totally other sites, for instance about gender questions, refugees or war in Iraq in 2003. I don't like Denmark.
And I think, if we want to have real equal chances for all people should the sex (gender) doesn't mater. We should not educate children or young people with gender models, just like I learned in the German society when I was a child or young, where people said something like: "You are boy, you shouldn't cry". I would have preferred to be the one I am and I maybe sometimes would have been a more pleasant person, if I could have been the sensitive human I am, without taking regard to gender norms and without trying being a "real man".
My sexual orientation is homo- and asexual. My experience from Denmark are that the most people tolerate homosexuality, but a lot of heterosexual men don't want to spend time together with someone who is gay or like to laugh about sexual minorities. Here in Sweden, I often feel that every one can be the one he/she is, even knowing that there also are homophobic people in Sweden, immigrants but also people with Swedish parents, especially on the country site. The greatest thing here in Sweden is the respect people show me here.
I think, the film also should be about LGBT-questions, especially with a guest from Russia, the Middle East or Eastern Europe.
I agree with the Russian lady about the snow plowing issue. Snow on the roads or sidewalks is an for anyone, not just a specific gender
i think that scandinavia has finally run out of problems and the politicians in these countries need something to campaign on and are trying to find anything wrong with the country so they can promise to fix. This way they can address problems that don't really exist and win votes.
Very interesting documentary. I agree with Masha: the Danish masculinist had the most down to earth ideas.
+paoloforever2 I cringed so hard when he spoke english though, so many danes especially the ones from sjælland speaks english with such a thick accent, i can't take it seriously, they really sound mentally deficient when speaking english...
+Jakob Jensen it takes many years and usage to speak english fluently, people not from zealand fx also speak a broken danish with made up child like words, it takes time and it is based upon where you live how good you will be at a language.
***** Still, there are many other countries like Sweden and Norway, that when speaking english sounds a lot better, especially compared to the danes from sjælland. The "jutland" danish accent is not nearly as protruding as the "sjælland" accent. I think it's because i'm from Denmark myself, and my english is A LOT more fluent than the Danish people in this video, the older generation is really bad at english, but that's how it is everywhere, it's almost always the older generation having problems with foreing languages.
Jakob Jensen first of all its called zealand in english (tho it would have been fun if they called it "soulland").
im from denmark myself (that should actually have been blatantly obvious, just as its blatantly obvious you are), the accent is just as bad in jutland but they also have the weirdest version of danish, being more different in accent and words inclusions than american vs english.
anyways the joke is on the generalization, go through this series and you will also find Finish, Swedish and Norwegians with atrocious accents, hell some brits have so thick cogney they have translaters in courts.
+jonasnee Jep, det er sandt. Jeg grimmer mig når jeg hører vores politikere snakke engelsk, Villy Søvndal, Lars Løkke og mange andre. De yngre politikere er dog ikke så slemme, men den Danske accent er bare tit forfærdelig tydelig når det gælder engelsk. Hvorfor fører vi en samtale på engelsk når vi begge er danske:0?
What's the song in this video?
I haven't seen a new episode in awhile. What could they do next? I would be interested in seeing one on energy production. As a U.S. citizen, I admire the way the Norden power advanced economies with low-CO2 technology. A similar balance of renewable and nuclear energy would do us a lot of good.
Tory Parmer Hi, thanks for watching. We have a couple of episodes that aren't uploaded since they're not translated/subtitled in English yet. Try to get that done at some point!
John Stark Looking forward to it!
Tory Parmer
All Nordic country is very different energy production.
Electricity sector in Norway 98.5% is hydroelectric.
Sweden electricity supply: nuclear power is 40% and hydro power 53%.
Denmark: Wind power 39% and 48% coal power.
Finland electricity: nuclear 25,3%, hydro 19,4%, Gas 12,5%, Wood 11,2%, Peat 5,6%, Oil 0,5%, Wind 0,3%.
Iceland: : hydroelectric 70% and geothermal 30%.
***** most of those are co2 free...
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I think it's fine to use hen, as long as people aren't being pressured into saying it.
any specific reason why Norway isnt included ?
TheLadySakai In each episode, we visit three Nordic countries, not all of them. This means that certain countries are included in some episodes, and excluded from other ones. Thanks for watching!
Personligen tycker jag ordet "hen" är larvigt. Det kan ha användning i olika beskrivningar där båda könen instämmer (säga hen istället för han/hon) men att folk ska bli arga om man kallar dem för deras kön (han/hon) är bara konstigt enligt min mening.
Tänk på att vi har könsroller idag, om du använder ordet "han" så associerar folk "manliga" saker med det ordet och jag vill få bort så mycket som möjligt från könsrollerna, av den enkla anledningen tror jag att "hen" behövs, men jag använder inte så ofta som jag tror det behövs.
SomeNiceMovies
jag vet vad du menar men jag tycker att man inte ska behöva undvika genus i diverse situationer. om personen i fråga själv vill att jag tillkallar han/hon hen så är det klart jag gör det. man kan inte heller ändra könsrollerna enbart genom att avskaffa ett genuetiv, man får gå ut med information och diverse för att göra ändring. som ett exempel, min skolla har/hade en hbtq-grupp (numera kallad mänskliga rätigheres föreningen, MRF eller något sånt...) och dem går ofta runt till klasser och informerar om gruppen och strävar utåt i almenheten för att informera om allas rät etc. så problemen är inte ordet uttan att folk liksom svartmållar dem och tar därav inte riktigt itur med det riktiga problemet.
***** håller med på nästan alla punkter. det där med att det fins mer än två kön är jag personligen lite fundesam över för det sätt som jag ser kön så ser jag heltenkelt könsorganen. en man är en man om han har testiclar, snopp och prostata mm medans en kvina är en kvinna om hon nu har en livmoder, äggstokar och vagina mm (nu pratar jag ur ett biologist synsett och inte ett psykologiskt). man kan alltid diskutera om var man ska dra gränsen. det är det jag inte riktigt vet därför brukar jag låtta dem andra säga vart den går, jag gör inte detta för att jag är lat eller elak mot andra uttan för att jag inte riktigt förstår. sen när det gäller det psykologiska håller jag med.
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Håller med!
***** ingen har NÅGONSIN blivit arg för att de kallats han/hon, HEN är ett ord, precis som du beskriver som används när personen man tilltalar eller beskriver är könlös, det vill säga att det kan vara en man eller en kvinna eller vad som. Det är dessutom ett ord som nästan helt uteslutande används i text.
People say it's not mainstream view, but I believe it's going to be mainstream. I think it's just like the LGBTQ rights issue, for example some people seem to think that when we normalize homosexuality, then suddenly people will "turn" gay and humans will go extinct or something. It doesn't work that way. It's just like this gender thing - like what that lady in the kindergarten said ( 16:22 ), it doesn't mean that we want all boys to be girly and girls to be boyish, we just let people be what they want to be, as long as it doesn't harm anyone.
I like the idea of "hen" because when I write an essay and I need a hypothetical person I will usually use "her or she" and having hen would just make it simpler.