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  • Опубликовано: 22 дек 2024

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  • @johnclaudetaylor5224
    @johnclaudetaylor5224 2 года назад +256

    16 years in 3 deployments. 7 years ago I gave a brief to my COL about how gaming can help people visualize combat in their minds. I wish I knew of this channel and ones like it back then. It would have served for a great proof of concept missed opportunities. He was very dismissive lol but we use them all the time especially now in 2022

    • @taquito347
      @taquito347 2 года назад +12

      When I did training in Fort Knox, we used a virtual reality game that was basically Arma. It was pretty cool. It was a bit buggy at the time because it was new but I would like to see where it is now.

    • @Jagecage
      @Jagecage 2 года назад +5

      I use this stuff on my soldiers now in the reserve side and it honestly does help them.

    • @LFOD1776
      @LFOD1776 2 года назад +5

      Spot on. The next generation of VR technology will change training and hopefully it will trickle down to general purpose forces.

    • @OnufulSama
      @OnufulSama 2 года назад +3

      Your COL is now watching Milsims on RUclips like us

    • @cjpaulino6901
      @cjpaulino6901 2 года назад +3

      It’s a learning curve for a lot of SMs but if they took a cross between VBS3 (what they use now) and dumbed it down alittle like Squad they could get company sized elements doing valuable “force on force” training in conjunction with CTCs like JRTC and NTC. So every other year an in person CTC and virtually simulated ops on off years. They could see the value in the TTPs they employ then learn the work actually put in to physically carry out their ops. Would save on time and money, and probably be more valuable at the individual level, in the long run

  • @davidp.3479
    @davidp.3479 2 года назад +97

    I really like when you add the Briefing segment in the beginning. It can be either in game recording of the real briefing that you had or your voiceover with some nice simple graphics similar to what you did in this video, maybe just a bit more detailed like what is the scenario (political background etc...), and more. But already this content is very good and probably my favourite style of Arma videos xD Keep up the great work.

  • @AllericEnslin
    @AllericEnslin 2 года назад +9

    I was part of a British milsim unit that was HARDCORE AF. Was mostly veterans and active duty that tried to make as 1:1 as possible. Quite the damn experience for some that has always wanted to join the Royal Marines, but took a different path in life. I see a lot of similarities here. It's sometimes fun doing this the hardcore way.

  • @saucycardinal3322
    @saucycardinal3322 2 года назад +41

    Really enjoy this new arma content. It would be great to have a detailed briefing section at the beginning of the video. Definitely enjoying the added realism your group brings to these, I think if you added that briefing portion it would enhance it and help it stand out in the youtube arma milsim space a little more. Would be cool to see a campaign where you guys generate a JPEL and hunt down everyone on it, use intel to drive operations and surprise follow-ons, etc.

    • @Bruceworkouts3184
      @Bruceworkouts3184 2 года назад +1

      Find the Keystone Operations Group channel for his full OPORDs

  • @daanimus
    @daanimus 2 года назад +29

    I appreciate that you use the hardcore MILSIM term “tinkle” when an operator needs to relieve themselves. 😂

  • @Mariner311
    @Mariner311 2 года назад +2

    MOST Excellent - this was a beautiful mission: comms and maneuver spot-on, and well edited with the different POVs to make clear(er) what was happening around the operation. I still LOVE the silly missions with chaotic comms and clown-car movements for the amusement factor, but THIS was very MilSim. Only been watching for a few months (just got internet out here in the sticks), but YOURS is one of my 4 top channels.

  • @owadasaoluwafemi8819
    @owadasaoluwafemi8819 2 года назад +3

    LOVE IT THE WAY I SCWITHING UP THE CAMERAS FOR THE DIFFERENT CHARACTERS ALLOWS US TO TO A VIEW AND WATS REALLY GOIKG2ON WITH UR TEAM

  • @Nutter-l3s
    @Nutter-l3s 2 года назад +13

    Could you explain more on how the unit is organized? A breakdown on what the radio communication means would be useful

    • @delirious3911
      @delirious3911 2 года назад +17

      all squads have assassin and then a number. it follows as:
      Assassin 6- Company Commander
      Assassin 1-6 - Platoon Commander
      Assassin 1-1 - 1st squad ( composed of 9-10 guys depending, can change but mostly 9, having around 2 medics, 2 machine gunners, 2 fireteam leaders, 2 riflemen and one squad lead)
      Assassin 1-2, 1-3 - same squads but in different orders.
      Assassin 1-4 - weapons squad( have heavy AT arsenal to take out armored units usually something like a BMP or anything infantry based fighting vehicles having weapons like Javelins, stingers etc.)
      Assassin 1-7 - Assistance platoon Commander (2nd in command)
      Assassin 1-9 - platoon medic to provide assistance to any squad and set up CCP
      All Assassin squads 1-X are part of 1st platoon. 1-6 executes commands along with 1-7 and their overall supervisor being Assassin 6 who is the overall boss lead in the company.
      Karma has operated larger groups of players. So resulting in a 2nd platoon.
      which causes to have the same breakdown, starting 2-6, 2-7 platoon leads and executives with squads as 2-1,2-2,2-3,2-4 ( Same 9 man squad just different platoon) Overall assassin 6 being their overall commander.
      All units have separated Radio frequencies. Commanders of platoon use 31 ( for 1st platoon leaders and squad leaders to give out and receive orders) ( each squad like 1-1, 1-2, etc have their own separated frequencies, like Ex. 1-1 uses 110Hz, 1-2 would use 120hz) squad leaders and platoon leads have dual radios. One long range and short range. ( long range 31 for orders n short range for their personal squads in which they brief their squad members)
      There tons of more frequencies and radios used by many other different types of squads like savage( artillery squad), Butcher( armored support squad), demon( air non rotatory squad like helis), reaper( A-10,f35 etc), Ogre( logistics), and Stalker( air logistics). All have respective radios.
      Radio terminologies: If you are a squad leader and need to communicate to Platoon commander, Using radio, you sent our small short messages by calling out 1-6 by saying "1-6,1-4 send in orders" to which 1-6 your platoon leader response " 1-4,1-6 head to designated position marker by 6 figure coordinates and set up SBF(Support by fire position) Over" 1-4 SL responds " good copy 1-6, 1-4 out"
      There are many other terminlogies you need to learn like hold fire, lima charlie, 15 mike(means like 15 kilometers i think cant remember been a while sorry haha). As you can see it goes on further.

    • @CanukIsNotAGoose
      @CanukIsNotAGoose 2 года назад

      @@delirious3911 crazy

    • @delirious3911
      @delirious3911 2 года назад

      @@CanukIsNotAGoose not the answer i may have expected but doesnt disappoint🤣😂🫡

    • @CanukIsNotAGoose
      @CanukIsNotAGoose 2 года назад +1

      @@delirious3911 no no I don’t mean anything bad but damn, those are some rlly good explanation, I even took notes lol

    • @destroytheboxes
      @destroytheboxes 2 года назад

      @@delirious3911 props to your explanation man.

  • @joshuamartinez4547
    @joshuamartinez4547 2 года назад +35

    That would be super sick to participate, I’m so jealous of the peeps that have groups to play in like that.

    • @sambillingslea6447
      @sambillingslea6447 2 года назад

      You can play with my and my friends if you like.

    • @amcaleav
      @amcaleav 2 года назад +1

      @@sambillingslea6447 How

    • @kaliphri9590
      @kaliphri9590 2 года назад +1

      you're probably aware but karma has a discord server where they gather for gaming sessions like this (or rather theyre announced/planned/conceived there) if you have a pc and want to join in on the gaming i recommend joining the server

  • @thenumbersss
    @thenumbersss 2 года назад +5

    Great job Karma! I’ve been watching you for a while and have been anticipating you attempting something like this.

  • @tsnp423
    @tsnp423 2 года назад +6

    This is fantastic! Keep up this job, it's pleasure to watch.

  • @Vedic-hs2es
    @Vedic-hs2es 2 года назад +41

    Can you write the mission's main objective on the description or in the comment section ?

    • @PhoenixChaos
      @PhoenixChaos 2 года назад +8

      Locate close width and destroy the enemy by fire and maneuver and repel the enemy’s assault by fire and close combat

    • @Vedic-hs2es
      @Vedic-hs2es 2 года назад +2

      @@PhoenixChaos Thank uou

    • @PhoenixChaos
      @PhoenixChaos 2 года назад +5

      @@Vedic-hs2es That’s not the actual mission my brother
      It’s the defined mission of the Marine corps rifleman

    • @Justinred87
      @Justinred87 2 года назад +4

      @@PhoenixChaos I’ll give you two thumbs up for that one

    • @PhoenixChaos
      @PhoenixChaos 2 года назад +1

      @@Justinred87 hahahaha Thank you Thank you

  • @xTheN8IVx
    @xTheN8IVx 2 года назад +4

    I’m currently Active Duty Army as an 11C Indirect Fire Infantryman, would love to play with your group!

  • @mountaingoatgaminggg9395
    @mountaingoatgaminggg9395 2 года назад +10

    This is awesome, wish I could find something like this to do on a weekly basis

    • @denmister100
      @denmister100 2 года назад +1

      there's many well established groups like this who have been going alot longer. You can easily find a group to suit

    • @crow7556
      @crow7556 2 года назад

      I have a group that does similar things

    • @mountaingoatgaminggg9395
      @mountaingoatgaminggg9395 2 года назад

      @@crow7556 orly? Might need to pop in with yall haha

  • @Happy2DabsYT
    @Happy2DabsYT 2 года назад +10

    This is so epic. Most of the large children that play video games either can't or won't get it the fuck together to accomplish coordination like this.

    • @jeffreychandler8418
      @jeffreychandler8418 2 года назад

      honestly karmakut has put together the biggest and most determined communities for coordinated operations in milsims. Squadops and armaops both doing exceptionally.

    • @td6460
      @td6460 2 года назад +1

      That's because they will annihilate a "coordinated" squad of larpers like this solo.

    • @Tampafan33
      @Tampafan33 2 года назад

      @@td6460 keep smoking meth

  • @mavericks550gt2
    @mavericks550gt2 2 года назад +4

    Now we are talking! This has always been one of my dreams it’s just hard to find others that know how and when to apply real world tactics in a game lol plus it’s a game so I’m excited to see this develops GG

    • @awakeandwatching953
      @awakeandwatching953 2 года назад +5

      would be awsome to see it done with 2 opposing teams rather than against ai

    • @MrNationalWonder
      @MrNationalWonder 2 года назад

      @@awakeandwatching953 Probably a lot of Arty...

  • @screamingstrings76
    @screamingstrings76 2 года назад

    Authentic Milsim, first action is a pee break HAHAA
    Love the content, keep it up buddy!

  • @iTomBass
    @iTomBass 2 года назад +2

    7:35 damn those spark effects combined with the clean looking nvg's makes this look so dope. Anyone know what mods these are?

    • @wizard5731
      @wizard5731 2 года назад

      Most likely fawkes nvgs combined with blast core

    • @BR_L1nx
      @BR_L1nx 2 года назад +1

      what the guy above said. blastcore murr edition probably with fawk's NVG filters

  • @ControlledPairsGaming
    @ControlledPairsGaming 2 года назад +6

    My man. It's been a wild ride 🤘

  • @ncsm.
    @ncsm. 2 года назад

    CAF has an actual custom licensed version of arma that they use to train virtually, I had to the chance to use it back when i was in 3 years ago

  • @Tequn9q
    @Tequn9q 2 года назад

    Great stuff! Nice cam switches and execution? Is there a reason you dont use JSRS? That soundmod doenst immerse..
    Also what AI mods are you using for this?

  • @Tellez.43
    @Tellez.43 2 года назад +1

    Great content but I would love if you expanded the briefing with the objectives, units and roles and the reference points used. This way we can see the doctrine being executed and it gives us a lot more depth to the video.

  • @WXSTWOODS
    @WXSTWOODS 2 года назад

    You should try the Tobii eye tracker, it would help in what you're trying to achieve and make gameplay a lot easier.

  • @KevinFlores-vq7zp
    @KevinFlores-vq7zp 2 года назад

    Hella dope how y'all moved together, looking forward fam 🔥

  • @joeyshoez438
    @joeyshoez438 2 года назад

    I’m impressed by the level you guys take it to. I wish I had people like this to play with. If you ever need an FO (13F) in your platoon let me know loll

  • @xSlykiller
    @xSlykiller 2 года назад +1

    What mod are you guys using for uniforms and kits?

  • @captainpepe5159
    @captainpepe5159 2 года назад +1

    Hi! Nice video :)
    Is there a possibility somebody can tell me the weapon mod (and potentially scopes) used in this video? That or sound mod (if used) to get the suppressors/guns sounding like that. Much obliged! :D

  • @themog4911
    @themog4911 2 года назад

    Excellent video, thank you for sharing :)

  • @candyquahogmarshmallow8257
    @candyquahogmarshmallow8257 2 года назад +1

    I think you should team up with GLID. He is ex-military (Royal Commando I think) and teams up with a lot of ex-military and police and the Comms are on point.

  • @Caligari87
    @Caligari87 2 года назад +1

    Random Q Karma: I've heard that the new COD MW games allow setting up custom matches with things like reduced movement speed/parkouring, fall damage, magazine discards, no HUD, no perks/killstreaks, etc. Is this something that's even remotely interesting for someone primarily invested in tactical games like Ground Branch, Squad, and the like? Is it something you could explore on the channel?
    Or is it "still COD" even with everything one could possibly do to make it more realistic/authentic?

  • @tonyjones1560
    @tonyjones1560 2 года назад

    The realism here is great! I’d have been “no more good” if someone had responded to hearing the F-word transmitted with, “Maintain radio discipline, soldier!”

  • @ninertactics
    @ninertactics 2 года назад

    Not comparing but what made me drawn to Arma was watching Jred do five paragraph orders and AARs back when he was doing stuff with TF Bangarang. Anyways Im glad you're doing something along those lines. I strive to do the same with DK2 but with full plans.

  • @brianv1988
    @brianv1988 2 года назад +1

    Is there any guy still on the balcony alive the other guy negative just hitting that area for my own personal shit. LMAO. Had me laughing

    • @artifact1711
      @artifact1711 2 года назад +1

      that would be me, god damnit im spending that taxpayer money one way or another xD

  • @Dethmeister
    @Dethmeister 2 года назад

    2:48 The guy is looking at the map, so how is his head nodding when he says ok?

  • @braeden4911
    @braeden4911 2 года назад

    shoutout to virus with the headtracking setup, looks super good on playback

  • @yewxiangtan6797
    @yewxiangtan6797 2 года назад

    wow the dismount from the chinook just gave me some nostalgia

  • @greenpuppydogGaming
    @greenpuppydogGaming 2 года назад +3

    This op had so much action. I had more kills on this one then any other op that we have run to date!!

  • @friendzonee712
    @friendzonee712 2 года назад

    What mods are those for the backpack, helmets, and such?

  • @onioperative645
    @onioperative645 2 года назад +1

    Is there any way to join this unit??

  • @Victor-vc9br
    @Victor-vc9br 2 года назад

    Karma, have you thought about making your own mod to rework markers? Proper SBF/CCP/AOA/BP markers and such, like steel beasts has (and TRP's!)

  • @lukasstarkiller9539
    @lukasstarkiller9539 2 года назад

    Is there any way to see your guys Modpack it looks so amazing

  • @Official_SevenO9
    @Official_SevenO9 2 года назад

    hi karma mind me asking what sound mods you use ?

  • @newperspective735
    @newperspective735 2 года назад

    Awesome video! Is the mod list you use public or could you provide it?

  • @pokitts
    @pokitts 2 года назад

    Great video, fun to watch.

  • @Ga-Assassin27
    @Ga-Assassin27 2 года назад

    Wish this was available on all gaming platforms!

  • @SunnyLovetts
    @SunnyLovetts 2 года назад

    Understanding all the military lingo is the only reason I haven’t gotten into this myself in game lol

  • @maxreincke1581
    @maxreincke1581 2 года назад

    Nice vid. can someone tell me the name of the mod that changes the running animation?

  • @willbrooks1356
    @willbrooks1356 2 года назад

    fantastic content!

  • @RavenTacticalGaming
    @RavenTacticalGaming 2 года назад

    Lets try and get together @Karmakut
    The Group I run our entire goal is to run things as realistic as possible. From Clickable Blackhawks + Apaches to Calling in CAS. To the boots on the ground. We've been around for 4 years and are always looking for other likeminded people to do large Scale Events with.

  • @nikpod27
    @nikpod27 2 года назад

    What kind of sound mod do you have in your game?

  • @cloudforest4087
    @cloudforest4087 2 года назад

    This was phenomenal. It would be cool if you carried the fallen member into the chopper.

  • @ItsTraviiiii
    @ItsTraviiiii 2 года назад +3

    Would love to know the combination of mods here! Everything looks great

    • @BR_L1nx
      @BR_L1nx 2 года назад

      Gear is from TFL or some variation of it made only to his unit. Some might be commissioned too (I know you might see him using a Haley Thorax soon lol). You cant get these in the workshop, so you would need to find someone who has the link for it

    • @vampyrekat
      @vampyrekat 2 года назад

      Some of the mods are: ACE, better inventory, animate, immerse, suppress, recoil coefficient, betterIR, weapon canting, TFAR, animations for TFAR and a version of blastcore(probably murr's)
      Some of the gear like the scopes are from RHS

  • @phantomx.t.v6610
    @phantomx.t.v6610 2 года назад

    I know there are vets watching this thank you for your service

  • @lildp2458
    @lildp2458 2 года назад

    I really enjoy this type of content!

  • @nikpod27
    @nikpod27 2 года назад

    Author hello! Please give me a link to the mod M-ATV (modifications as from the game squad) ?

  • @Meeyatchimoto
    @Meeyatchimoto 2 года назад

    I cant wait for arma 4, Just imagine this coordination with the likes of arma reforger

  • @SpartanTx22
    @SpartanTx22 2 года назад

    Awesome vid! Would love to do operations like these. I would fuck up something though lol.

  • @lebaguette3829
    @lebaguette3829 2 года назад

    Would be cool to see you guys do a pvp op against shacktac or other communities.

  • @TrisSyXxTV
    @TrisSyXxTV 2 года назад

    where can you get these mods?

  • @localbod
    @localbod 2 года назад

    Fantastically immersive.

  • @ricardogonzalez8834
    @ricardogonzalez8834 2 года назад

    keep up the good work, bro!

  • @LEO9747114m2
    @LEO9747114m2 2 года назад

    what is the inventory mod ?

  • @JKGuitarPro
    @JKGuitarPro 2 года назад

    WHAT MOD/SERVER IS THIS?

  • @Durtdurdur
    @Durtdurdur 2 года назад

    Arma and squad are the games that I’m getting a pc for ….I started playing he’ll let Loose and heard about squad now I’m a milsim maniac

  • @UNX-ORD
    @UNX-ORD 2 года назад +1

    Karma, just an idea; for those who are new to all the acronyms, why don't you put some text explaining them, when they are mentioned.

  • @Fight4MyCountry
    @Fight4MyCountry 2 года назад

    Do you guys use private mods?

  • @charliemike2577
    @charliemike2577 2 года назад

    2:12 You rang?

  • @commanderjerr
    @commanderjerr 2 года назад

    Always love your content! like you are my inspiration!

  • @kerryjohnson1030
    @kerryjohnson1030 2 года назад

    Man I would love to see some gunship footage

  • @SipDisco
    @SipDisco 2 года назад

    Good job dude

  • @Nomad2118
    @Nomad2118 2 года назад

    Wil y’all be doing anything with reforger?

    • @troubblegum
      @troubblegum 2 года назад

      If this was possible in Reforger, you wouldn't have watched an Arma 3 video today

    • @Nomad2118
      @Nomad2118 2 года назад

      That wasn't the question, but cool, thanks for the reply.

  • @BrodaciousD
    @BrodaciousD 2 года назад

    Every time I see "DayZ" assets it makes my heart flutter, there's not many but there are enough to get a gamer hard!!!

    • @BrodaciousD
      @BrodaciousD 2 года назад +2

      I know technically DayZ stole assets from Arma,.... but ya know You know?

    • @flowerpower003
      @flowerpower003 Год назад

      @@BrodaciousD Technically neither stole because dayz is made by the dudes who made arma

  • @fierce8943
    @fierce8943 2 года назад

    Friggin love it

  • @whip525
    @whip525 2 года назад

    I’ve been looking for something like this

  • @Buford_21
    @Buford_21 2 года назад +1

    big chungus launched the missile on japan

  • @Falcon-vu5qp
    @Falcon-vu5qp 2 года назад

    Mod list?

  • @liquidyschitz4908
    @liquidyschitz4908 2 года назад

    thank you for showing us your unit

    • @kyles9937
      @kyles9937 2 года назад

      Uh, he said unit. Uhuhuhuhuhuh.

  • @ProdAstro-fw5wq
    @ProdAstro-fw5wq 2 года назад

    How does one get into this server i love milsim

  • @norspit7473
    @norspit7473 2 года назад +3

    @ 12:10 OMG is that THE Virus, aka viruslive_ on twitch???

    • @overcookedduck603
      @overcookedduck603 2 года назад +2

      WOW its THE viruslive_ on twitch! Incredible!

    • @Dncmaster
      @Dncmaster 2 года назад

      Holy smokes! It is THE viruslive_ on twitch!

    • @Virus_WT
      @Virus_WT 2 года назад

      Please stop

    • @troubblegum
      @troubblegum 2 года назад

      Wow, THE viruslive_ on twitch replied to your comments, guys!

    • @norspit7473
      @norspit7473 2 года назад +1

      @@troubblegum who?

  • @jaxmil6012
    @jaxmil6012 2 года назад +1

    Is this at arma 2

  • @cubanog213
    @cubanog213 2 года назад

    Dude I wanna build a PC just to get this game and play with you guys

  • @zandohrtv
    @zandohrtv 2 года назад

    whats the nvg mod

  • @rtxskillz6006
    @rtxskillz6006 2 года назад

    looks great keep it up

  • @viper_4115
    @viper_4115 2 года назад +4

    So your unit, is it Rangers, Green Berets, or just a basic Army infantry group? Either way, overall you guys performed amazingly. I look forward to seeing more from your unit in the future and maybe if you're up for introducing some Delta guys, I'll bring one of my teams over from my Unit.

    • @MM-qt8gz
      @MM-qt8gz 2 года назад +1

      Well if they're SOf and conducting a platoon size element and given their lingo... They're acting as 75th ranger regiment

  • @Patriot_041
    @Patriot_041 2 года назад

    How can we join the unit? Im really interested this looks sick!

  • @roboneill9148
    @roboneill9148 2 года назад

    Love watching u play arma

  • @6templar417
    @6templar417 2 года назад

    Are we able to join that?

  • @echoweeibo
    @echoweeibo 2 года назад

    how do i join?

  • @thaidefensivetraining
    @thaidefensivetraining 2 года назад

    since we cant do warped ops i guess this is next best thing haha

  • @xiplays
    @xiplays 2 года назад

    What a legend

  • @thomashoran3079
    @thomashoran3079 2 года назад

    anyone know what the acronym LCC stands for?

    • @Virus_WT
      @Virus_WT 2 года назад +3

      Last cover and concealment

  • @michaelsantacruz9114
    @michaelsantacruz9114 2 года назад

    Is this pvp or pve? Looks amazing either way.

  • @brandonmullins4015
    @brandonmullins4015 2 года назад

    The Ltn Dan claymore was pinpoint

  • @jamesboaz4787
    @jamesboaz4787 2 года назад

    "Don't go into the long grass"

  • @Sam-Fisher
    @Sam-Fisher 2 года назад +1

    Keep it up

  • @Sam-Fisher
    @Sam-Fisher 2 года назад

    Amazing video

  • @destruct0503
    @destruct0503 2 года назад

    Karma i really really REALLY wanna join this/do authentic military ops. the only problem is im new to milsim games ToT

    • @lando1gamez473
      @lando1gamez473 2 года назад +1

      learn everything you can about tactics and maneuvers while getting used to the controls of the game or join a smaller milsim unit to learn how it goes

  • @Borntodie1407
    @Borntodie1407 2 года назад

    Soooooo nice man

  • @varitsvq9002
    @varitsvq9002 2 года назад

    Right now with the situation in Ukraine, there is a lot of content with a realistic look of frontline combat. Checking that out could definitely help.

    • @sagepuppet
      @sagepuppet 2 года назад

      im pretty sure most of the combat in ukraine is in forests or fields of grass

    • @Horrid665
      @Horrid665 2 года назад

      Where is the best place to see some of this content?

    • @ChucksSEADnDEAD
      @ChucksSEADnDEAD 2 года назад

      @@Horrid665 CivDiv has a few combatcam uploads of missions in Ukraine here on youtube.

  • @anthonybower02
    @anthonybower02 2 года назад

    I have an idea that could make lots of money if we can get everyone on board!!