The Real Reason for the Fall of Roman Civilization
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Back in 1912, American President Theodore Roosevelt, in an age when American presidents were not demented house plants, wrote about the end of the Roman Republic. He said, and I paraphrase, “the laws on the books remained the same but the people behind the laws had changed, and so nothing could save the republic. “. Welcome to our world.
The state of New York has made it possible for foreign non-citizens to vote in their elections. And the Federal Election Commission that is chaired by both Democrats and Republicans voted to allow foreign countries to contribute to American political campaigns and fun US ballot measures.
That commission has allowed serious investigations to slide by and couldn't even form a quorum to vote on other matters. But they were able to vote on US politicians getting foreign campaign money.
We ARE Rome.
He was a J tho.
Roosevelt, along with Churchill, helped the Bolsheviks win WW2 and thus defeated the wrong enemy. He was a clown, not a hero.
@@malthus101 that wasn’t teddy.
@@OutOfElmo who was it?
Groups hostile to Europeans taking control of the media and finance also plays a role.
Augustus was obbssesed with Returning Rome to more conservatives values the sighs of decay there already there
Values like restoring the Republic?
@@kareno7848 no he just pretended he did , strung Republicans along imho
This and many of your other videos should be featured as lectures in the major universities.
The real reason for the fall of classical civilisation the emergence of Islam. Primarily by the conquest of Egypt and the north Africa littoral, with the subsequent (1000 year) infestation of the Mediterranean with pirates, this meant a catastrophic collapse of sea borne trade - particularly papyrus for writing and thus education. It is politically correct thinking to ignore this factor.
No Islam actually brought back roman ideas that was burnt in the middle ageas as well as alchamey astrology and mondern day numbers as well as introducing paper from defeating the Chinese coffee which were political hubs veiled woman as well as giving cannons and gun powder to Europeans becuse the Chinese keep everything secret if the Islamic mongols never conquered them and brought those ideas as well as connecting the Silk Road.youre talking about Islam in the 1800s but when it first came out it was a huge innovation able to conquer Europeans you must have something going for you if you can defeat Rome so don’t act like Islamic barbarity was the reason it did have a speed up in human evolution for it time give credit where credit is due
@@ashleyoasis7948 You ever heard of punctuation?
The Muslims came out of Arabia not long after 30 exhausting years of war between the Byzantines and the Persians. Territories had changed hands more than once. So the defenders of Damascus had no idea when they surrendered to the Muslims that they were going to be there forever - regimes came and went previously.
The Dark Age of Europe was caused by the relentless slave raids and piracy of the Caliphate. The Vikings did the same thing to northern Europe later - and everybody knows about them - but the Islamic terror lasted far longer, until Europe colonised north Africa in the 19th C.
Islam 'speeded up human evolution'? Really, why didn't the Renaissance happen in the middle east and why are Islamic countries sh1t holes? Everything Islam had they took from others; the 'Islamic' thinkers all turn out to be either Jews, Christians or heretics.
I might start buying online ads for Eds videos to induce mass red pilling.
All this has been said before. The real question is: what is the solution? How do we escape the 'hard times create strong men create easy times create weak men create hard times' cycle? How do we break the wheel? I don't see how it can be possible to have an advanced, non-degenerate society without some sort of more or less authoritarian government that will actively promote ethnocentric values.
We must discard democracy.
It can be summarised in one word:
FEMINISM
Thanks ladies.
Yeah, what I dislike about this videos is that they dilude the explanations onto nothingness and tautologies, pretty much the problem is female empowerment every time due to a better life condition.
Jolly fascinating and well articulated. Thank you.
I was just at the Wartburg in Eisenach, and archeological findings strongly suggest the lower floor of the romanic main building (built around 1160) had heated floors
How big is this guy’s prop/costume room?
I would consider the immigration and the Germans two different issues. The Germans were more akin to PMCs and faithless feudal lords. The immigration crisis came from the Hellenistic middle east and came 200 years earlier
I think it is interesting that you mentioned the golden age. Do people ever know if they are living in a golden age? I once wondered if people only know they were living in the golden age once it was over.
I liked the Monty Python refence.
Echoes my own thoughts on this decline in our society. Many blame immigrants for the decline of our society, however it’s the decadence of the well to do and the proliferating nature of the chavs and those I call “the left behind”
20 years ago I spent time in China and witnessed the birth of a new civilisation, not perfect, but it soon overtook the western world in many ways.
Hard times don't always select for more intelligent people, though. As far as we can tell, Sub-Saharan Africa, Australia, Mongolia, Melanesia, and Siberia have all had nothing but hard times, but no genuis innovations yet. Why did 1200 years of hard times after the fall of Rome produce the modern world, but not the 50,000 years of hard times before the Romans? It seems that in some environments, harsh Darwinian conditions select for physically strong, healthy, and violent people, but not more intelligent people.
The 18 months of darkness from the Ash from a volcano stuck in one of the spheres over west Europe stopped them growing food.
What should people who knows this do? Have lots of children and raise them as well as possible?
As Dutton says, there will be a conservative rebellion amongst the middle classes leading to more children being produced.
Rome also turned to conservatism towards the end. Civilisation does not end with the excesses of liberalism, but with the return to conservatism that such excess brings.
Well, we all know Rome fell because of Titus Pullo, and Lucius Vorenus' ineptitude
Still a good tv series
We've forgotten how to make Concord?
I'm sure that's not what you said but I'm sorry I couldn't catch what you said there.
To fly it. And we haven’t.
can you do a video on why brain sizes have got smaller since domestication over the last 10,000 years. Domesticated animals versus wild animals have the same trend.
Very interesting reasoning, and very accurate I would say. I think, as I stated and explained in my book, (I am not going to mention the title without approval) that urban centers per se make feminist power thriving. Because of that, beta or under average men (today we have incel phenomenon) start looking for women in poorer or more patriarchal periphery. In the chain reaction that could last for centuries in the urban centers boys are raised under more and more influence of mothers and feminine traits and values (perhaps men are sexually selected under feminine gaze and became born more feminine) and on the other end of the process, on the periphery of the civilization or beyond of it, manhoodness start thriving, partly because men must fight over women (somewhere girls became rare because of the process) or became extinct. In the end, this battles hardened barbarians enter in the heart of civilization and became new masters with they warlike aristocratic views on the world. In the beginning Romans are poor but hardened group of men who steal girls from the more civilized but weak Etruscans. In Etruscan society women were liberated at the time. In the end Roman women are liberated, and non Roman men became leaders. There are many Roman emperors from Illyrian provinces at the time when lot of soldiers are from Illyria, too. After that, Germanic tribe's military aristocracy became new elite in the Rome, as You said, but also in the new states after the fall of Rome. In any civilization/urban center feminist power became stronger with time because of gender power dynamic. There are biological foundation of sex differences that make this process happened in urban environment and make weak individualistic men who became replaced by battle hardened barbarians who gain power from their own men groups. Question is, if we know there is process like that, could we stop it?
Brilliant, I must praise that ending citation there, pointing out how this is a cyclical problem of "development" in civilized human groups.
What do you think we can do to break out of this cycle?
Professor I would love to hear your thoughts and opinions on Florida ,and at large the Caribbean's in general, when it comes to environmental disasters and how disasters every decade shapes the people over time. How it selects people for i.q. and awareness and general health over time due to the periodic disasters that you are always trying to stay ahead of.
Florida?
@@keithbarbaro7590 well in general, in tropical areas with atleast a hurricane every decade give or take. It causes many deaths and generally, you are just finished updating completely destroyed buildings and the ecology is back to normal all things considered.
I live in Florida, and I think about how many Darwin Awards begin with "Hold my beer and watch this."
Would you call the current face covering trend individualism? I'd call that collectivism.
The Western Roman Empire fell, but the Eastern Roman Empire lasted another 1000 years. Why was that?
Greek empire
It didn't last as 'roman' any more than russia or germany were roman by referring to their leaders as caesar (kaiser, tzar). Byzantium was essentially a greek successor kingdom to the roman empire, they could call themselves roman all they wanted, and certainly the institution of the emperor did go all the way back to Augustus, and Christianity was a Romanized innovation, but they were as different from their forbearers as the Europeans in the Holy Roman Empire were to theirs.
But for a more specific answer, geography played a major role in keeping the East safe and rich for a time, while the West fell to Germanic migration and population replacement. But, just as Germans were running things in the West, in the East at various times you get non-greeks (the Isaurians are a good example) running things. Nearly all of the military terminology in West and East in the fifth and sixth century, for example, is German, the army is German. Later in the East you get heavy Frankish, Turkish, and Bulgarian influences.
Really, the Rome we think of was probably gone by the end of the second century, and certainly it's very different when it emerges out of the chaos of the third. Byzantium wasn't really any more Roman than is Caesar salad.
Is this a bronze age brother in the wild?
Excellent. Very comprehensive.
Barbarism-Civilisation-Decadence -Barbarism
This is probably the solution to the Fermi Paradox. Too bad nobody smart enough to appreciate this comment is likely to read it.
I have a flashback from a Brian - he has a great life 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Correct. Vision 2020 and 23 points of The McCarthy Plan with God's grace can save us. Love The McCarthy Plan for the sake of all people's of the world, to be protected by all good people ❤🙏
Jews
9:03 Jonathan who? and which of his book? I couldn't hear it
The panda-eared TikTok girl didn't believe in you, however, I believe the professor is very real.
Forgot how to do Concord but worked out how to do RUclips?
Jesus Christ and the other Jews. That's the entire reason.
Jesus Christ was the prime reason Europe survived and had a Renaissance.
@@FiveLiver Nah, the Renaissance was the rebirth of antiquity as in before Christianity and its iconoclasm ruined the greatness of our forebears.
@@andersengman3896 It happened because of the patronage of the church - no church, no renaissance. The forbears were kept alive by monks copying manuscripts, and keeping Latin alive.
life of Brian at the beginning hahahaha
Titus did nothing wrong. They infiltrated Rome aswell.
I thought they got their arses handed to them by the Germanic tribes and after that they could not defend against a massive migration from the same area
Why did Rome fall? Christianity.
They outsourced everything to tribes that didn't believe in the concept of Rome
Which is a symptom of low ethnocentrism.
@@TheJollyHeretic
Were Romans Western European? It seems they are so similar to us.
@@TheJollyHeretic maybe Rome just got too big too manage and maintain a patriotic identity when life became too easy. E.g the hungry lion is always more motivated and the king of the Hill will always be less motivated then the rising stars
@Warrior Spirit probably brown, like Italians
@@Ryan-gz6ym mainly Italian, Spanish, French, German
"Prosperity breeds idiots." - Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
And i thought it was the undermining of our culture via TV , Education, corrupt politicians, backstabbing Elites, the flood the magic people dumped into my Area. But seems it was really all the dumb people in my area that have always been here and done well, don't i feel stupid, it was really the dummies fault we are at this point.
idiots make adversity . Adversity breeds strong men . Strong men bring prosperity . (rpt)
Yea obviously if a society is easy to exist in then anyone can do so. And if u can exist then u can breed. But collapse is inevitable. Societies always rise and fall
it breeds commies.
@@parabot2 Magic People, Voodoo People!
New York is passing a law that will allow non-citizens explicit voting access. Rationale is that if you live there, you are a New Yorker, regardless of demonstrating ability to communicate or to take basic steps to register with the official system.
Can you get more Roman than that?
Having a basic level of knowledge, to give the vote to non citizens is a crime, isn't It, as far as I know voting is a right exercised by citizens or nationals. Man if that happens in my country I would join a mob an set fire the voting places.
@@Adrian-qi5ii The idea that somebody should receive the right to vote, even on the billionth generation simply because they reside within a country's borders is complete heresy, voting can lead to war, to the mass death of young men.
Caesar cried
America was founded as an experiment and it is ending as such. I hate to say this as an “American” but we are different than Rome or Ancient Greece. Rome through s good portion of its history was more United where as america I don’t get this feeling knowing it’s history.
Its called yew york for a reason
Imagine believing that tolerance is a virtue…
Tolerance and Apathy are the virtues of a dying civilization
@Ostia Hermes Or liberating toasters saying " Being human is bigotry"
Nowadays people think even pride is a virtue.
The word "tolerance" gets bent so much, that there is only one definition I get.
I get the engineering term of "Measurement +/- measurement."
The rest is just sound like shifting goalposts. When did tolerant of gays go from not caring what consenting adults do in private to demanding that everybody care about gay day parades?
@@fabianoalexandre1720 Pride goeth before the fall. In time.
So Rome experienced a diluted version of what we are experiencing. Their collapse was long and extended over centuries. I'd expect ours to be much more rapid. This seems to fit with my own observations, just over my own lifetime.
The world will experience massive collapse once the US ceases to be a food exporter. This will most likely occur as a result of us welcoming ever more millions of hungry mouths here, eventually reaching parity with our lands ability to produce food. A great many millions depend on bags of grain that say USA on them.
@CrabApples Bodaciously Bitter Fruit's I dont understand what your point is.
@CrabApples Bodaciously Bitter Fruit's I didnt quote anyone.
Just go by exactly what I said and tell me what is wrong.
@@pete5691 he's got a technocentric approach where as yours is essentially 'the lifeboat theory'. Both aproaches are dealt with by first year undergraduates.
hadrian did nothing wrong
We'll build the wall and Caledonia will pay for it.
Hadrian loved boys. He didn’t have a female concubine.
"We're gonna build this wall and we're gonna make the Picts pay for it!" -Hadrian maybe
@@tipr8739 so he did do something wrong...
@@markserv9434 Nah, his domination of men gave him the masculine energy needed to do what must be done
I appreciate the fact that you are using the terms BC and AD instead of the new politically correct bullshit terms.
I haven't heard any new terms? What are they?
@@theredtechnician BCE (before the common era) and CE (common era)
@Little Orange Delivery Boy How bout BW? Before w0ket3rds
The new terms are the height of virtue signalling.
It makes no sense to use BCE and ACE over BC and AD. The new terms are still in reference to Jesus regardless.
No way! An honest professor who doesn't shy away from genetic answers! Instant sub!
@meh Tribalism, and the incorporation of people from widely different heritages into a system of governance and a culture essentially designed and spread from a certain demographic group that started to die out.
Behavior is based on genetics, the "experiences" merely select which genes get activated.
That's why we reproduce, birds learn to fly and hunt on their own, etc etc ...
Sexual selection is another powerful tool to change the ticgene makeup of a population and thus its behavior. IE, if you neutered everyone with psychopathic tendencies and no mutation took place, that particular pattern of behavior would be wiped out in 80 years.
There are public lectures available on this given by numerous evolutionary biologists.
@meh "Roman leadership" integrated various tribes from across the empire, its borders, and tried to assimilate them.
That's why Varus was betrayed by a Roman military officer of German blood and ancestry.
That's why the empire had to put down numerous ethnic rebellions.
It does not matter that the few top of the top elite at the top of the pyramid were of Roman genetic ancestry, when the gears of the system used demographic groups with their own ethnocentric biases and interests opposite to those of the empire.
The same thing happened to the Tang Empire after it tried to incorporate Xiongnu warlords. Eventually they revolted and tried to gain independence.
The power of any system rests on (a) particular demographic group, and wanes along with the later's twilight.
@meh The perception of a tribal entity / community is genetically induced. If we did not have the proper receptors for it we wouldn't even recognize its existence.
You also don't need to have much discrepancy to have vastly different outcomes.
ie, if you go from 83 IQ points, to 93, which is something largely linked with your patrimony, you go from being refused by the military to being someone that can accomplish mildly complex tasks and on whom training will have positive effects.
In the same way if you go from 115 to 125, you go from the upper midwit to an elite.
The biological discrepancies are absolutely minimal, and yet the results are staggering.
Anyways, my point is that the difference in aspirations and values among populations is largely ticgene, and therefore when you introduce groups with differing ones into a system that is sustained by the values espoused by another , you eventually crash your system, and your civilization.
In simple terms, you cannot assimilate everyone, most won't and never will, because it's IN them.
@meh Merry Christmas brother.
Genetics would take too long to manifest. But the feminism is right on target.
Cultural dilution. Population dilution. Currency dilution.
All of which we currently suffer.
Dilution & contamination.
Don't forget wound dilation
Cultural apathy due to bad governance. As Rome descended into endless civil wars people became fed up with the concept of Rome itself.
If you get an established civilisation, you get people in power giving their family and friends other positions of power, regardless of their competence. This grows until all the people making important decisions are useless. It happens in businesses on a short time scale so the effect can be observed.
Kakistocricy
Sure. I thought so too.
Except their family will likely be more suitable to act competently in those positions of power, and their friends would be fairly similar to them and therefore similarly capable too.
Nepotism
Meritocracy is just absurd myth. All political power structures historically have been nepotistic and inward looking, with varying degrees of Noblesse Oblige, and all of the same ethnic group as the population.
@@kurtjohnston8370 if political power structures are not the same ethnic group as the population, then it is not a proof that meritocracy is a myth. It is just a mild suggestion that the population might have been successfully invaded by an external group.
At least their society didn't collapse because of Tik Tok dances and Love Island, although in a sense, it did.
'A great civilization is not conquered from without until it has destroyed itself within. The essential causes of Rome’s decline lay in her people, her morals, her class struggle, her failing trade, her bureaucratic despotism, her stifling taxes, her consuming wars.' - Will & Ariel Durant., Caesar and Christ, Epilogue, p. 665 (1944).
Could you be hinting at a parallel here?
@@AlvaroNeira I think we are definitly going the way of the Romans, and perhaps our decline will be much worse!
@@hibernianperspective6183 Our decline will be much worse as it will effect several continents at once.
@@grannyannie6744 exactly we are more interdependent on global supply networks than in the past, especially for basic neccisities.
@@hibernianperspective6183 Yep, how many of you can maintain productivity without caffeine, sugar or petrol? Serious question.
Leaders in the UK;
Rishi Sunak PM
Humza Yousef Scottish FM
Foreigners in charge, just like at the end of Empire in Rome.
The inevitable in plain sight for all those who dare to open their eyes.
They also "clipped the coins" We would call that hyperinflation. By 400 ad the roman dinarius was 2% gold .Not pure.
This is the end of all kinds of nations. I always laugh when someone is desperate to blame perverts on the Weimar republic, and not that the Weimar Mark was worth almost nothing.
The way I've always seen it is that the luxury accumulated by the most powerful & intelligent Roman's created boredom & apathy. They'd accumulated everything they desired but had robbed themselves of children, so turned their attention to degeneracy/Forbidden fruits.
Simplistic and wrong I’m afraid.
Most people think that the future civilization will move east to Poland or Russia but i have a weird feeling that the future dominant civilization will emerge in the powder keg of the Balkans. In which form it remains to be seen. Balkans are the most based people in Europe and it seems that all of the countries there have active supremacy fixation, they are highly religious and all of their midwits left the countries and moved to west in search of "better life".
My money is on romania, greece, Serbia or albania
>Turks
>future of society
@@eyesofthewolf101 Albania has high birth rate from being a Muslim nation
Serbians are incredibly based.
@@maidende8280 haha yes they are very based. along with most from that region
3 rules to run a legion:
Brawlers and drunkards will be flogged
Thieves will be strangled
Deserters will be crucified!
(Apologies to 1st spear centurion Lucius Vorenus)
From the 5 rules of Stupidity: Rule 5 states that stupid people are always with us, and being a special category of destructive without gain or motive, regardless of education or cultivation, they cannot be reasoned with. Non-stupid people act as a barrier of containment against the stupid, and once that barrier fails, civilization goes with it.
The "good times creating weak men" is not only a meme, it was observed by Ibn Khaldun in his Muqaddamah almost 800 years ago
The dysgenic and elite hypotheses are not mutually exclusive. Dysgnenics makes us weak and thus more susceptible to parasitism by malevolent opportunists.
It was Biggus Dickus who caused the death of Rome, and the Judaea revolt.
And his wife incontinentia
No matter how busy I am, I always have time for a Monty Python reference 😂 great video as always
Quite.
@Black Lesbian Poet you seem really upset, perhaps his comments in this video hit much to close to home for you
@Black Lesbian Poet I think he is describing what Godfrey Hardy and Wilhelm Weinberg postulated in the Hardy-Weinberg Equilibrium, i just don't understand just how he thinks that high intelligence alleles will return when such scenario explicitly talks about how that is impossible.
I didn't expect that.
Brilliant channel.
Please checkout Ed's books.
Just got my copy of Making Sense of Race.
When will Making Sense of Taint be coming out?
@@yehudafinkelstein7504 thank you! I need to laugh my ass off this morning!!
Dutton, Evola, Woodley & Vikernes/Cachet are the full package for understanding & improving our situation. Well, & a good pro-white summary of catastrophism…I might have to create that myself.
"In ancient Rome, there was a poem, about a dog, who had two bones. He looked at one, and then the other, he went in circles, until he died."
Freedom of choice is what you got. Freedom from choice is what you want. 😁
Well, God made Man
-but He needed a monkey to do it.
...
I can walk like an ape
talk like an ape
do what monkeys do
God made Man
but a monkey supplied the glue.
In all seriousness, would then the answer to having a highly developed and intelligent society without suffering the trappings that cause it to decline be to have a Spartanesque culture that enforces harshness of lifestyle, in-group preference and comradere, and healthy birth rate, particularly among the aristocracy and productive elite?
@@danxdanx8877 I don't mean we should emulate literally everything the Spartans did. But their reaction to combating decadence and its trappings, that I referenced above, seemed to work pretty well in that regard for a few centuries. Though you're right that long periods of peace time, coupled with other malformations of their society, seemed to break this spirit.
Yes, basically.
You may be on to something there. It could be something like what is being creating now in AI. If AI constructs get to the point that it/they can replicate themselves then there is reason to believe that it could surpass our development. They wouldn’t need us at all. These AI would not be limited by moralistic thinking. It would not be concerned with living “rightly.” It wouldn’t care about others in the way we do. It wouldn’t think twice about enslaving others in order to accomplish its goals. It also wouldn’t be tempted by physical pleasures, politics, impressing others, living in luxury, etc. It could devote all of its efforts with a single minded focus towards doing whatever it is that it deemed most important.
There is a reason why AI experts are very concerned with our future in the next decade or two. This rise in broad AI would short circuit Duttons theories of intelligence since it would happen in less than one generation. No need for more people to be born and no need for a high IQ human society at all. No need for humans to maintain it. It would be self replicating. Advancement is exponential and is coming fast.
If we want 50 years of Athens we will need to start with 10 years of Sparta.
The Spartan society collapsed due to their ultra ridgid parliment system, 'council of elders' style which Cicero absolutely loved. It simply could not react to change, which when your warriors were pretty much all used up, what do you do?
The women had no part in the downfall and were very fierce in their own right, as part of the marriage ritual had a very energetic dance. However, when the men were off to war, it was the women that looked after their belongings, home and policies in Sparta. The women became very rich as they married several times as their men would die in war and they just accumulated more.
Spartans were not feminists, men and women had their distinct roles.
I would love to see Edward have regular conversations with Gad Saad. They could call it Saad and Jolly.
I doubt it will happen but I would love to see it.
Gad Saad will ignore or lie about basic facts because they go against what he perceives to be the best interest of his peoples.
@@Togmot Exactly keep that plagiarist off Ed’s show pls!
Gad Saad is a plagiarist.
@@maidende8280 how is he a plagiarist? This is news to me
You're a wonderful, entertaining presenter-- you should have your own cable show!!!
He will never get his own cable show.
What is cable?
No. It is infact the liberation of women to post in our comment section that promotes such Mal adaptive behavior as posting to the normies in the mainstream instead of sharing this arcane knowledge with statistical outliers with high levels of ethnocentrism.
@@DeusExMachina50 He will make his own, instead ;)
@@aryeh24 He should, because telling the truth the way he does would get him shunned from the mainstream.
High concentrations of calories are the source of rot and pestilence in nature, whether it be spoiling food, a festering carcass or a decaying tree. Likewise, high concentrations of capital are the source for cultural rot and pestilence in a society. The degree to which capital permeates a society is a function of viable transportation infrastructure. In the modern era that would be ocean (and river) bound ports, railways and motor highways.
The lower the total GDP per capita of a city relative to that needed to survive, the more robust the culture in general.
Brilliant insight!
Interesting... like nature abhors a surplus as well as a vacuum.
@@visionaryman3548 Not true in all circumstances (sharks come to mind as do jungles), but yes, balance is always key.
You have really good comments. The only thing I'd add to it is that security of transportation/trade routes precedes the infrastructure. This is why the martial age precedes (and ultimately enables) the moneyed one. It's one of the main things moderns (liberals, marxists) get wrong when they reductively project the modern state of things into the past.
like a bear given free fish he will lose his edge and become a weak hunter....
this needs way more views. Interesting argument about evolutionary mismatch and intelligent people not getting children. I feel an unease, a need to be more independent in an environment like this. An environment that I know might cause me to adapt to weak principles which in turn can kill me later on. I somehow become reluctant to increase my dependence on it through family and societal bonds... Maybe I'm not intelligent anyway, then it doesn't matter, haha!
He's referring to a mismatch between a well adaptive person and Mal adaptive environment correct?
Men build civilization to create a better world for your descendants but paradoxically doom them in the process.
The cycle that never ends
You can even see the lowering of the intellect by reading the comments. Did they even watch the video?
Hard times produce strong men. Strong men produce good times. Good times produce weak men. Weak men produce hard times. We are currently in the 4th phase of that cycle.
I'm going out on a limb and say Medieval music far surpassed Roman music
high iq comedy
You often bring up Concorde as an example of technological regression but I disagree. It's not that we don't know how to build supersonic aircraft anymore. The Concorde wasn't economically viable because it had higher fuel and servicing costs while carrying fewer paying passengers. High capacity airliners are innovative in their own way by flying at a lower cost per person.
He really desperately seeks some technological regression, though we're clearly no there (yet). Realistically he can show some cases of stagnation.
BTW: Concorde also somewhat lacked on range, which was mostly defeating whole purpose of getting Mach 2, as extra speed was not making so much difference.
Well I respectfully disagree. The average mechanical ability and average use of tools for mechanical work has gone way down!!!!
Technological regression is all around us. You either need to have grown up with your grandparents or be older than 50.
The durability of all mass produced appliances tools and motors have gone down. precision of craftsmanship due to electronic computer controlled machines has gone way up!!
We have a huge regression in mechanical durability but have been able to cheaply mass produce good to allow a few people to profit greatly from a lower quality of technology.
nah. I don't buy it.
@@andrewblake2254 your right you don’t get to buy durable products that will last your family multiple generations anymore
There is some technological regression in the US. Most US cities refuse to use the technology of building high-rise or mid-rise apartments, and zone most of their land to SFO suburbia. There are a lot of Americans fighting over old construction of apartments.
Could you explain why the Eastern Roman Empire did not collapse in the wake of the Western Roman Empire? Perhaps the fall of Rom was multi-causal... For example, a colder climate, the use of lead pipes in large cities, interbreeding, the Huns, the reorganization of agriculture (latifundia), Christianity, luxury and so on.
Mr Dutton keeps repeating this "can't keep Concorde in the air" trope. I like Mr Dutton but this is simply not true. The reasons for grounding Concorde had nothing to do with competence. I agree we are at a crisis point but using the Concorde trope just devalues the argument.
If we can get concorde back in the air, why don't we? In that it crashed due to stupidity, the simplest explanation is that we've lost the confidence to do it, because we're too stupid, and that would be congruous with all the other data. It's the most parsimonious explanation.
@@TheJollyHeretic And yet we have particle accelerators & are working on fusion?
@@TheJollyHeretic if it was a nationalist government behind it and it was apart of national pride to do so then yes we probably would. you also forget that we live in a materialistic society and money rules still along the lines that we are probably getting stupider as you say. or are you saying that we are to stupid to make it financially feasible?
@@TheJollyHeretic The most parsimonious explanation is that it was never really economically viable. This became clear by the 00s, and on multiple fronts, mind you (airlines, servicing, customer demand). It's like a supercar/hypercar compared to a luxury sedan. It still exists in the car industry because wealthy individual buyers are interested in limited productions for their garage collections, but those are never meant for the mass market or frequent driving nor would they be viable in those spaces. Airlines are something completely different, on the other hand. Supersonic aircrafts are used for military purposes, the actual area where it makes sense. Stop being thick, it has nothing to do with IQ and the OP is right that it just detracts from and devalues your argument.
@@horouathos8199 But the IQ explanation explains Concorde and many other things, so it is more parsimonious.
Would like to hear your thoughts on China and Russia. Could these be great civilizations or will they also collapse?
Good question
russia definitely will. China might but will likely reform.
The schisms between the east and western empire did a lot to accelerate the decline of Rome and the rise of Byzantium (eastern Rome). But also the old capital of the empire was shifted or moved to the east in Constantinople. I remember reading somewhere on this that more economic activity uprooted and moved to Constantinople/new Rome. I think this would have created a brain drain in old Rome or western Rome.
"The schisms between the east and western empire did a lot to accelerate the decline of Rome"
Rather like today's needless 'schism' between Russia and the West ?
Eastern Rome was tougher to crack than western Rome.
@@FazeParticles yes because the elite moved to the new capital and pretty much along with all the other important people and just the lower classes were left to fend for themselves. Constantinople became the new important economic center and old Rome just became a smaller hub city of no real significance. I think in the long term this made the Roman Empire weaker by giving up its western territories in favor of the east and Middle East. Religious differences also made this more complicated and paved the way for western Rome to be taken over by barbarians.
@@therealmcgoy4968 What do you mean religious differences? The East/West schism began at the earliest in 6th century Spain with the introduction to the Filioque and finalized during the Sack of Constantinople in 1204. The only other schism that was prominent at that time era would be the non-Calcedonian split of Egypt, Armenia, Ethiopia, and Syria after the 4th Ecumenical Council in 451, but that would not be the East/West schism. Unless we're talking Arianism, but that effected the entire Church in both the east and west
@@therealmcgoy4968 i'd say the west at the time simply didn't have the necessary cohesiveness to repel barbarian forces adequately.
"The same factor responsible foer the greatness of somerhing is responsible for its decline" - Ancient Chinese wisdom
Rome's fall is similar to the western, and yes weak men are an issue; however the real issue in Rome is they ran out of trees. Without trees there is no charcoal, Without charcoal you cant smelt metals, cook food, heat a million homes They last conquest attempt was the Germanic tribes and their abundant trees of the alps and black forest.
In the west we ran out of old growth hardwood trees a hundred years ago, but where able to replace the energy with oil and gas to a great success. All our wars have been energy related for a reason. The world reached peak oil in 2008, with a reprieve do to fracking. We now are on the downside of production. The lock-downs help reduce the demand on oil for now. No new oil fields have not been discovered since 1970's. Caligula and Nero as well as many more Roman leaders where absolute horror, but the empire didn't collapse until the lack of energy, made sustaining a million population in one place unrealistic. Global Warming/Climate Change is really all about Peak Oil.
Nuclear power?
Rise of women is also a big contributing factor. Patriarchy is essential to a prospering civilisation.
@@brazwen You are very right. Woman and minorities have been pushed into leadership and medical professional positions, while white boy's couldn't get in the universities with high 90's. In Canada, an immigrant get
s a medical diploma based on their qualifications in their home country, no matter what the standard level may be. Finding a White male doctor under 40 in Canada is a rare event. I am not advocating discrimination, but to stop disqualify our race and gender in the name of equity.
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Gibbons blamed Greek culture making Romans degenerate and the fact they stopped maning the Legion with young Romans and used barbarians
My recollection is that Edward Gibbon heavily criticized Christianity for the decline and fall rather than the Greeks who were many centuries past their strength when the Roman Empire peaked.
Did you plebs forget the Eastern Empire?
@@dreamdiction Withing Rome, the Greeks were not only culturally influential but powerful.
@@Michael_the_Drunkard Are you afraid to mention the Swedes who both controlled money lending and birthed subversive christianity into the world.
Yes, but these are symptoms of something more profound.
Very few people want to hear the real reasons for Rome's fall. They simply cannot cope with it.
It means their multicultural utopia is actually a lie, and that these people are masochists virtue signalling how much pain they can take.
Edit: while pretending they are doing good and not in pain lol
Honestly the main problem was batshit crazy emperors. Was the empire any less multicultural under antoninus pius or Marcus aurelius than commodus or riccimer? No, yet look how one era was better than the other due to bad governance.
Rome collapsed to to internal political problems not multiculturalism. The germans took over a dying state. Their presence was a result of Roman failures as a whole.
@@HostileLemons A significant number of the emperors weren't even original Romans, but Arab, Syrian, Greek, etc. Not to mention how mixing of blood resulted in an overall weaker population.
Multiculturalism wasn't everything but it was significant.
@@AzureSymbiote Mixing of blood resulting in weaker population? How exactly?
Politics and famine killed Rome. Not "mixing of blood". Unless you can explain how that works.
@@HostileLemons This is channel related to the discussion of genetics. I'm sure you understand.
You keep saying about how the collapse is imminent, but never if there is something that can be done about it. I have thought about this "vicious cycle" if we can call it that myself, long before I came across your videos too, but I try to keep hopeful. "Maybe things will get better?" "Maybe it's just a phase or a small decline?" "Maybe the westerners will get their shit together soon and fix themselves?". Those were the thoughts I had when faced with this question. Is it really that pointless? Is civilization truly doomed to inevitable collapse? I am someone who believes in western superiority overall despite not being western myself (I am eastern European) and it simply pains me to see the west collapse like this. And the supposed inevitability of it is truly dreadful. I hope this comment reaches you, professor, as I am truly scared for the future and I don't know who else I can discuss this with as most people in my circle are either "woke", apathetic, or extremely conservative. Hell, I myself have fallen into one of those "cope" traps by believing it's all the elites' fault.
You should ask yourself what is it about it that you find superior and that's the thing not the whole west as it's civilization which enables Mal adaptive behavior
@@eveliinatistelgren172 honestly i don't think anything can take the west's place. The easterners are too primitive for that, despite being the so called "neo byzantines". Without west there is no hope for the east.
While listening to this I considered the concept of these intelligence -> individualism -> stupidity -> collectivism -> int... 'sinusoidal' periods.
Perhaps it could be better described as intelligence -> low mortality -> stupidity -> high mortality -> int... but I digress.
I suspect that history may be viewed as a series of these periods overlapping. While we have the Roman Empire to Western Civilisation sinusoidal period, we also have smaller sinusoids, for example the Great Wars, between and for a while afterwards the West experienced a surge of order and collectivism, people were eager to obey laws and to do their part in the wake of WWI and WWII.
I imagine plotting how innovation, mortality, intelligence or other indicators vary these periods and summing them to produce a modelled fit of how these indicators vary over human history.
Conversely, by subtracting off known periods from the overall variation, residual lower-amplitude variation could be spotted. Rather like orbital velocity or harmonic oscillator analysis.
Allowing that there has been a cycle of decline of an old civilisation and rise of a new one with the arrival of a new religion, we might be led to assume that perhaps two other such rise and decline cycles had occurred prior to the Roman Empire with the “dark age” phases accounting for loss of science and history.
A television documentary about 12 years ago showed that the fall of the manmade structures that evidence our own golden age would occur within a millennium leaving barely a trace.
Supposedly there was a massive highly developed globalized world (including Europe, Asia, North Africa and the Middle East at least) that suffered a massive collapse during the bronze age roughly 1200 years before the Romans. If I'm not mistaken that would put it somewhere around the time of the Trojan War. Nobody is exactly sure why it happened but seemed to have multiple cascading factors.
@@TheJeremyKentBGross I believe the bronze age collapse is largely attributed to natural disasters, economic collapse, and the invasion of the sea peoples. It was an event largely centered in the eastern Mediterranean.
Relating to the first comment, it is in my opinion much more intriguing to consider the possibility of higher civilizations being destroyed in the late Ice Age during the period known as the Younger Dryas around 10,000 years BC, when a flood of biblical proportions likely happened, still attested to in the histories of many ancient mythologies around the world. The remains might be archaeological sites such as Gunung Padang Megalithic Site in Java, or even knowledge passed down from previous eras to create megalithic "high-tech" remains seen in Egypt (sharp cut obelisks, black sarcophaguses), Peru (Cuzco walls) and Lebanon (Baalbek megaliths), among others.
I've survived the collapse of the COMECON and the Eastern block. My grandparents had survived the collapse Austro Hungarian empire, the 3rd empire and the Eastern block. This is just another empire on the way to collapse. The patterns are the same.
I agree with most said, I would like to ask if the oppression of those not within the higher leaves of society has been considered a factor. If you are in a low-income bracket and see no point in trying to elevate your intellectual or financial position due to societal constraints, then why try? I would put forward that people become complacent with their lot, and feeding their bellies becomes the driving force for them rather than intellectual thought or discourse simply due to the situation.
If Elon Musk saw this video he'd probably start creating giant mechanical dinosaurs to simulate for harsh Darwinian selection. Cause that's what we really need.
Not dinosaurs but I’d love to pick Elon’s brain. Or watch Ed do so.
You clearly haven't seen his "Mechazilla".
Ray Dalio has mapped the factors that mark an empire's life cycle.
First you have education that peaks, then competitiveness, then innovation, trade, economic output, financial center, military, and when all of those are long past their peak, reserve currency status peaks.
The pattern repeats throughout history, the US and Europe are just completely done and are in their twilight years.
Latin is pronounced like German. v -> w , c -> k, g -> gh ; ceasar is pronounced kaisar, veni vedi vici -> weni wedi wiki
those sounds shifted in spain and italy in the middle ages
r’s are the rhodic r sound of modern italians (or noble Scotsmen) though
This may as well be a total nonsense. Look at Gunnar Heinsohns work (Gunnar Heinsohn latest at Q-mag) - it stems from the real science of archeology, and not from the fake writings of history (where winner decides what is history).
It is clear from the archeology that Antiquity ended with a significant ecological catastrophe. It is visible in archeological layer as Dark Earth (there's entry on wikipedia on this). In the layers of the earth you have a vibrant archeological findings of Antiquity - with buildings, aqueducts etc. then you have Dark Earth (the catastrophe), and then human stuff appears in so called Late Medieval times.
Dr Dutton, any relationship between the fall of Rome and the Marian Reforms? I'd say those Reforms greatly hindered Rome. It lowered standards, told everyone that was non Roman that they were now Roman, diff ethnic groups revolted when Rome was doing badly, it recruited illiterate people where before you had to be a land owning farmer, etc
Decadence
Very interesting video. One point that I believe is often overlooked is the fact that as Rome grew in power, size, and overall dominance it ran out of other nations that were close enough to it's size and capacity to exercise will to compete with. This leading to a lack of selection for all behaviors and identities associated with up keeping such a large society. It is inter group competition that selects against intra group competition which obviously inevitably leads to the fracturing or collapse of the original group to be replaced with many smaller ones.
There was always Persia
So uhhhh…thank God for China I guess?
@@grahamsell3863 The issue is that, whilst competition with China IS INDEED producing the effects that you would predict from group-selection theory, I think things have changed a bit in modern times. Nuclear weapons mean that, in my view, it is highly unlikely that there would be an actual war. And, in any case, whereas all the ancient societies were fundamentally agricultural - therefore wealth was highly linked with territory - ours are not. So, there is no incentive to invade, and subjugate the population. Therefore the degree of existential threat posed is far less. Therefore the selection pressure is less. So, whilst US competition with China will probably rally the country, I wonder if it will be sufficient. Just some thoughts.
'Woe to thee, O land, when thy king is a child, and when the princes eat in the morning.'
You had plumbing in the late 1800's Britain though not everyone had a bathtub but it wasn't completely uncommon.
Edit; Mind they had tubs without built in taps commonly in the Victorian era. It wasn't fancy but it was leagues ahead of the rest of the world even by todays reality for most of the world.
A wonderful talk that needs worldwide viewing ( especially in universities! )
I think the USA is more like Ancient Rome than the UK but the trajectory is the same. I guess after WW1 Pax Brittanica become Pax Americana the cultural and economic dominance changed. If the UK peaked in 1910 or so, America probably peaked in the 1960s.
I get that it's supposed to be a Monty Python reference, but real latin didn't replace the R's or L's with W's but the V's, so Veni Vidi Vici would have sounded more like Weni Widi Wichi phonetically.
It's somewhat ironic that the Germanic peoples of the "Holy Roman Empire", the supposed successor to Rome, pronounced W's as V's, e.g. Wagner sounds more like Vagner.