I've added some additional comments to the description section. I'm mostly duplicating them here as per a couple suggestions. Thanks also @Acermeistre for suggesting I pin these so they are front and centre. Good to have more experienced RUclips users lend a hand! 1. Yes the story is true and accurate. It seems too crazy to have happened but this really did occur as I've shared. I get that some people are responding to that disconnect saying it's lies and clickbait. Unfortunately it did happen. 2 I'm all for considering there may be another viewpoint to a story. That's a healthy thought. For comments that say, she must have done something to "deserve it", that isn't offering the idea there could be another side to the story. That's normalizing abusive behaviour. They are different. 3. We did not cover the process of her getting a refund as it isn't pertinent to the interaction in question....unless you are suggesting the treatment she received was ok as long as she got the refund? However I understand in retrospect that knowing a refund was eventually given helps with feeling the video was more complete. 4. To those who want the golf course and marshal identified. I understand that piece being withheld feels incomplete. The lady this happened to is one of the nicest human beings on the planet...genuinely. She wouldn't allow me to share the story if I identified those involved. She accepted it was important to share this story and have people talk about it. She wasn't willing to have the story be a way of extracting revenge for what happened to her. While I may not have been that charitable I am respecting the agreement we made. 5. To those who have asked why I didn't block or take down comments that are abrasive.
The entire purpose of the video is to bring forth conversation about how we treat one another. While I may disagree with the viewpoint of some of the commenters, if we are to have a discussion we have to actually listen to different viewpoints and consider them. We don't have to agree but curating them to solely support my perspective isn't a discussion. If someone wants to stand up for abuse and bullying and defend it, I don't agree with it, but at least own it if you are going there. For those who just want to be trolls....you get none of my time. Jason
As a former Marshall at a local Muni, I came across this exact same scenario numerous times. I always welcomed the new golfer, reminded them of pace of play and if they didn't have their own clubs i asked to make sure next time they have their own set. I always encouraged them to have a good time and told them that every golfer played for the first time once. This Marshalls behavior is totally unacceptable.
Firstly thanks for jumping in as a marshal and offering your viewpoint. You were front and centre so are a highly credible voice in the discussion. I appreciate your contribution and also thank you for being the kind of ambassador to the game that you describe above. Wonderful that you were helping new people feel welcome, comfortable and developing their confidence in being able to enjoy the game
She had already been to the range several times. A short par 3 course where you don't need a full bag of clubs. This guy needs to be relieved of his position and shamed publicly. What a tool. Good luck to the lady in getting back to a course and hopefully learning to love the game in spite of the "obstruction" she faced in this circumstance. We're all pulling for her!
Hi Glenn...Hopefully I have your name right!. Really kind of you to support her. She is genuinely one of the most gentle humans I've ever met. It really stung but she said she is willing to try again...just not right away as it's still a bit fresh.
When I started 40 plus years ago, we played a municipal course in Southampton UK the starter was a big guy called Ivan, he yelled at us once, but it was his first and last time as we put him firmly in his place, telling him what we thought of his attitude, I don't think anyone had ever questioned him before, never had a problem with him again.
@@FittedGolf Hope you tried to change her stance. And at least get in contact with the venue where this alleged situation happened. There is no point opening generalized accusations towards all marshalls when it is one indivdual we are talking about here. edit: such content isn't going to create the attention you want for a youtube channel. So in case this is some sort of stunt to generate engagement, keep in mind that it can backfire severely.
Whether its a par three or Augusta doesnt change how the pace of play should be. Just being a par 3 doesnt mean its romper room time. This story has plenty of facts that need to be known for somebody to be able to comment in an educated way. Hard to believe that they accepted her green fee and she got chased out of there before her first swing. More real facts need to be known with this story.
@@ram0666 if you believe that the same standards should be placed on a $10 or $15 gf 9hp3 as Augusta that is a you problem. Those courses are intended for ppl just starting out. If you can't factor the course in your handicap then you shouldn't be taking it too seriously. What this story speaks to is that many course rangers go off on a power trip. They are retired and have nothing else to do
@@ram0666 I didn't mention in the video but just to help she was very aware of pace of play and that she'd pick up if they were behind. We missed adding that in the video but it would have been useful to know for the comments
@@FittedGolfI have taken people into the course when they are starting out, as you say you pick quiet times. You give them Minimal advice as this can confuse, but you tell starters forget bunkers. If in the rough or crappy lie place the ball, get it back on the fairway it’s hard enough when starting without forcing them to start playing recovery shots. Pick up if really struggling then play a chip and putt to finish the hole. It’s a hard game and does not need to be made even harder for new starters.
@ram0666 point is that you don't kick someone off the course before they've even hit a ball on the basis that the MIGHT play too slowly. If they aren't letting people play through and are holding things up, that's when a ranger has a duty to say something. Not weird golf minority report do it before they've hit a ball.
@@danmyers9372 so youre in favor of kicking people off the course before they even swing? slow rounds happen. and will happen on just about every course out there except for a very small percentage. if you care that much about pace of play, go spend 200 for an actual course instead of 30 for a par 3 course.
@@danmyers9372Who knows how long she would have taken, given she was kicked off before she even started. Even Tiger has taken a 10 at a par 3, so seems to me that it’s people like you who are the problem. If you don’t have time to play golf, then choose a faster sport.
anit that the truth ,, the marshal needs a lesson and the course wish he had told us who where and her so we could invite her to a real course with a real love for golf and sharing the addiction the game really is it is the best drug ever
My 11 year old daughter is a full member of my golf club, cumberwell, Uk. She has always been welcomed by staff, management, professional and all associated with the club. She learnt with me on the range, however when she goes on the course to play nobody criticises her in fact exactly the opposite. They love to see a young girl learning to play their game of golf. The woman in question needs to go to a club that welcomes players. It help that my daughter can on occasions hit her driver 200+ yards! Golf should be for all! 👍😀😀
Thanks for jumping in. Love that you and your daughter are enjoying the game together. Wonderful to hear your course is so supportive and helping to encourage young people to play.
I remember teaching a lady to golf and the first time we went on the course I teed up everyone of her shots just a little bit even in the fairway. This helped her make solid contact and boosted confidence. After a few times out and more practice, she had the confidence to hit the ball off the ground.
Hi Bradly (Hope I have the name right). Awesome story. love that your focus was on success and someone enjoying the game. Thanks for sharing as it gives others good ideas on how to have positive early experiences.
A Marshall tried this with me and a gf. I let the Marshall know he could drive off or be carried away. He wasn't up for it. I riptalked to the pro in the proshop at the turn. Apparently that Marshall is no longer there.
Hi Bruce. Firstly thanks for jumping in. It's been amazing/not amazing to me simultaneously to hear this continues to happen as much as it appears. Thanks for sharing that it happened to you as well. It's great that you were confident enough to be able to stand up and deal with the situation directly. For others who are newer and/or don't have that confidence it's really helpful for them to know they aren't alone and also that what they are experiencing isn't acceptable. I'm making the leap that your GF was a newer player. Hopefully she continues to be interested in the game and enjoy it.
Hi Bryan (hope I have that right) Awesome to hear. Please more people share stories about how it should be so anyone inclined to the old ways of golf understand they are out of date and in a shrinking minority.
I played my first round on a Par 3 course when I was 15. I had only watched golf on TV and noticed you start with a driver. Tee'd up the ball on a 130yard ish hole, and took a full swing. The ball sailed over the green, over the bushes behind the green, over the stone wall and landed on the road. Everyone was a beginner at one time.
Lol...great first golf story. Before anyone gets going on me I'm making the assumption nobody was in danger and nothing was damaged in error. This is one of the wonderful side benefits of golf. Ridiculous shots (mine and others) that left me doubled up in laugher at the absurdity of the moment. Thanks for giving me a good chuckle with your sharing.
That starter is probably a guy who did not get hired as a cop or even a security guard and is using his authority at a par 3 course. I have run into these guys before.
Thanks for sharing your experience. Everyone who shares their story of these things helps cut into the voices that claim this doesn't' really happen. It's very unfortunate that we are still seeing this happen in golf. It's not a good look and we need to change it.
Apparently Marshal ‘Moron’ never had a first round of Golf in his life. Otherwise… he should have been told to leave the course and go to the range. 🤦♂️
This is irritating. I’m playing less than a year and I’m well used to it now and I love seeing new people take it up. I try to encourage everyone I talk to to play it and offer for them to come with me. Such a pity but anyone who has experienced this just picked the wrong course. I’ve had so many good experiences playing golf as a beginner with people who are playing for years.
Thanks for jumping in. Also for affirming how it should be as that helps others know how it should be and what they should be expecting with the game. I love the game especially for the all the memories and laughter I've shared with so many different players over the years.
Never discourage someone's eagerness to learn new skills. To play golf effectively you must be committed to continuous learning. That's how professional golfers became professional golfers.
Love this. Be nice if every first timer felt welcomed, supported and had people show them the ropes so they feel comfortable doing something they aren't yet experts at.....vs shamed and scared off of ever playing again. If we meet that person at the range or course maybe help them by making sure they know where they are going and answering any of their questions so they actually have fun....
WOW! This story hits home but in a different way. My wife and I are avid golfers and have been for years. We are much older now looking at 80 in a couple of years. I started to play the forward tees a couple years ago to keep the game moving. My wife can keep up with the best of them. The pro shop have gotten to know us and realize that we are informal, low key type of players. As such, they have been pairing us up with new players, players that are new to the area and have not made golfing friends yet, visitors for the summer, etc. We have met so many wonderful people and couples. I play on a senior scramble league once a week and one of the players asked if he and his wife could play with us. She was very self conscious and lacked confidence. We've played four times so far and now have new golfing friends. It's sad that this unfortunate girl had to experience the jerk Marshall and I hope she sticks with it. It's a great game as long as you don't take it too seriously and keep it fun.
I had a comment made by a “golf pro” at my local course many years ago at a course south of Atlanta. Was playing with a friend who dropped at the turn. On the back 9 while waiting for the group in front to clear I was joined by this guy and a friend. We were about 1/2 way through the back 9 and when waiting on the t box he started complaining about how long it was taking and said that his sister dropped at the turn because it took 2 1/2 hrs to play the front. Trying to be nice I said that yeah my friend dropped as well. It was in Feb and cold and windy. I added that that and being the time of year and some folks haven’t picked up their clubs in a while we’re why it was a bit slow. His comment to me was that “If ya don’t know how to play the game you shouldn’t be out here”.
It's completely fair to call that out. I did contemplate not commenting that way in the video but decided I had thought about it fully and believe it was a contributor. Clearly there are other women who have played there but if the only two things he had were she is a beginner and female....I'm making the leap he isn't running off every beginner. Why the vitriol towards her....no idea what set him off. In the end, as I said in the video, I am saying I think gender affected his choices but if this had happened to a beginner male it would be equally terrible and we need to stop this from being a part of golf. Like the commenter above who was shamed about his size and assumptions were made about his capabilities. Thanks for thoughtful contributions and holding the channel to high standards. Love that.
It's asinine how people frame these issues when the research shows that women have a huge bias in their favor in pretty much all walks of life. What this guy probably doesn't understand is that it could be that beginner women are just worse at golf than beginner men thus it's not that he is getting mad at her per se for being a woman but that women generally have a greater proportion of incompetent people he would get mad at. To reiterate, for the same competency level, people generally show a high level of favor toward women. And the funny thing is despite all the virtue signaling about sexism people do, there's a longstanding stereotype of men (and women for that matter) having no patience for incompetent men, yet they will have a lot of patience to help out incompetent women
@@FittedGolfYes, my wife has put up with this type of behavior towards women from men her entire life. It’s easier for men to bully a woman than it is a man.
A recent round of golf of mine was ruined by a marshall who was very strict about the CPO (cart paths only) rule and pace of play. I agree with CPO when a course is wet, but not when its DRY.
I don't care what the original poster says. Not naming the course isn't helpful. Or he could have said the course was in the suburbs of xyz city. The problem at this course won't get any better until they lose some business or receive some complaints. Being secretive is tantamount to someone posting a poor restaurant review and not naming it. How does it help the reader?
Thanks for your thoughts. I understand where they come from. I added some comments to the description and pinned to the top of the comments section. Short answer is the lady this happened to wouldn't allow me to share the story if I named the people involved. She didn't want this to be a revenge video. While I understand where you are coming from and I'd prefer to just call it out I'm honour our agreement.
I don't think the marshall should be named, but I do think the course should be, so that everyone knows what their stance is about new players. They would soon find that they'd loose customers and therefore HAVE to change their stance on new golfers. Otherwise this behaviour would only be allowed to continue. 😕
I bumped some additional information into the comments and also description specifically on this a few minutes ago. I agree it leaves a bit of a gap but the lady it happened to is very gentle and kind and wouldn't agree to me sharing the story if I named the people/course involved. I am respecting that agreement and trust the most important part is the discussion that says it's not ok to treat anyone this way.
I am pretty much a beginner myself, and I regularly play a 9-hole course. A bit more than a par-3 (it has bunkers, water (island green, even), rough and so forth). I started with a group lesson from the pro there, and one thing that stuck out to me is to keep up the pace of play. But that place is pretty laid back, and I have never seen a marshal there. In the spring when the weather was cold, I could play by myself - as the weather warmed up, I get paired with others. As I watch others play, I see their bad shots, and get less self-conscious about my own bad shots. And I have been held up by slower groups ahead of me (they have both riding carts and pull carts there - pull-carts are one main source of slower play at this place). But I try and never hold up people behind me (I recall once looking over at the previous hole - the guy behind me was busy trying to fish the ball out of the water, so I stopped worrying on that day). I spent a lot of time at the range myself, and that's fine for what it is, but it is only a subset of the game. Doesn't help with pitch/chip/putt. Doesn't help learning to hit out of the rough. Doesn't help with bunkers. A putting green can sometimes help with some of these other aspects, but there is a sense of satisfaction you get when you can put the whole game together from one end to the other. Far from a perfect game, of course, but a lot more fun than going to the range. Anyways, I am shocked that the marshal would treat her like this - I would have definitely gone into the pro shop and complained, and if that didn't help, I would have gone up the chain. That sort of thing should simply never happen.
Hi Jack. Thanks so much for sharing your positive experiences with the game. Everyone who shares good things about their experience adds to the viewpoint that supports how the game should be experienced.
I appreciate that the nicest human being didn’t want this to be about her “getting revenge” and you are just pointing out we should be welcoming to people playing this sport especially newbies. But it is like saying, please choose your produce at the grocery store wisely, because one store sells rotten food. Your nice thought in general doesn’t help me specifically. I would want to know where a golf course is just lying in wait to deride me for everything they feel is (in their uninformed opinion) where I am inconsiderate and a drain on the enjoyment of others as they judged this woman on the first tee.
I have a pass at enger golf course, the manager is bad, and says I need to 'bring someone to supervise me' otherwise he calls the police, I want to play golf, he says he wants me to let everyone on social media how bad he is
While I was back up in New York for our father’s funeral my brother and I met up with a couple of buddies at a course in northern New Jersey 2 days after the service. All of us in our sixties, the ranger says to us “ I’ll tell you one thing, there’s someone in this cart that needs a haircut, me, as I wear it in a ponytail. What a set of balls. Never going near that course again.
Thank you for sharing your story. There are others like it in the comments and it's helpful that anyone who has been treated this way speaks up so we stop pretending like it's a "one of". I accept there will always be judgement in life based on appearance but when we are silent about that, it's a form of validating that behaviour is ok. You sharing your story helps others realize this is still a thing and that we need to add our voice to the discussion saying this isn't ok. This helps anyone who might not be confident enough to speak up or advocate for themselves know behaviour like that isn't condoned by the majority of us.
there are many public 9 hole pitch-and-put courses where I grew up, all part of a County parks system, those are the exact courses beginners need to start playing, you're too vague to know if this was a public or private course, or what type of course, exactly? 300 and 400 yard fairways, or 50 to 80 yard holes? it depends on the type of course and whether it's public or private to make a judgement on what happened
Similar situation with my wife and I. I got refunds and never returned. I’ve been bad-mouthing that course for 17 years. I won’t name it but it is a Country Club in Cranston, RI (western Cranston). Course Ranger was an old D-bag. Don’t fix your divots or ball marks if you golf there.
There's so many ways that I feel golf has a bunch of issues when it comes to things like this on the course... I'm a heavy and big man and on on course I played at when I came in to register to play a club pro said hey fat man don't come here to embarrass yourself... I swiftly said to him that I would be okay and that I was a 6 handicap and he laughed at me.... I went out and played with my group and I hit a 69 on their par 72 course... I never went back their..
Thanks for sharing your experience. It's part of the same conversation. I get people are narrow minded but when we just gloss over it and say things like "that's just how it is" then that's just how it will be. So we need to speak up and say that isn't going to wash and you need to do better. It's not always comfortable, sometimes it's not safe to speak up. But most times it is or we find ways to have the conversation safely so that we are reminded it's not ok to gloss over this. Great score btw. Congrats on that kind of play.
A 9 hole, par 3 course is where beginners should start playing. I’m trying to think if I’ve ever seen a marshall on this type of course and I don’t believe I have. I’m a 13 handicap. I have walked on as a single many times when I travel. One time I played a Gary Player designed course. I got paired with a husband and wife. She had never played before and had hit balls on the range for the first time that morning. On the first tee she missed the ball twice and then hit it maybe 10 yards to the right. The whole round was like that. I would suggest that a newbie like that should play a scramble.
I'm just starting out myself. Went to a local small course with only 9 holes that I had played on a couple times before. Granted, I shoot about 20-23 over being new, I had a gentleman start cussing us out and telling us to get off the course because we were " holding everyone up". When in reality it was a group that was 2 tee times ahead of us. We didn't tee off until 15 min past our first tee time. But he then proceeded to drive from the tee box slicing far into the woods. Way worse than my shot as a beginner off the same tee box. So karma git justice on that one. But he upset one guy in our group so bad he didn't even finish out
If she’d never been on a driving range prior to this then the marshal has a point. My public golf course does not allow anyone to play without a handicap and they require you to sign up for their training course, which is not cheap, to be certified if you do not already have a certified handicap.
It goes the other way too. Marshals should know the game. I was confronted on by a marshal on a course in Northern Mn. The course was packed. Not an open hole anywhere. I was about 225 out for my second shot on a par five. This is 20 yrs ago. On top of a hill. He said what are you waiting for? I told him the group on the green are my friends. Even if I didn't know them I wouldn't hit into them. He said we were holding up play and he might have to ask us to leave. The green opened up I hit my ball on the green and he just drove away.
People that are new to the game of golf need to learn thru a program like Operation 36, that starts from 25 yards away from the pin and works you back in increments. Nobody who is new to the game should be on a tee box anytime soon. They should learn the game, learn to hit balls, and start small. The program works and avoids situations like this.
1. There are two points I'm addressing in this video a. This lady was run off because of WHO she is (beginner) not because of what she was doing (playing slow) This all happened BEFORE she had even hit her first shot. The only two pieces of information the marshal had was she is a beginner and female. Which of those makes her unqualified to play the starter par 3 course? b. The marshal publicly humiliated her and ran her off. What circumstance exists where it's ok to treat anyone that way? Never mind someone who hasn't actually done anything yet. Never mind a new player who already is self conscious and nervous about their first real course experience. Never mind someone who also had taken the time to be prepared to keep things moving and would have gladly picked up any time she was at risk of holding things up. Never mind she had been partnered with 2 experienced players that were good with her being a beginner, were welcoming and would have made sure things moved along as needed. 3. For those of you who are offering there is always 2 sides to the story. On a pure level I think it’s good we always ask if there are other viewpoints. If we consider that idea, for the moment. For it to be valid there would have to be a circumstance where this person deserved to be humiliated and run off the course. My question to you: What circumstances could you envision where being humiliated and run off the first tee of a golf course, having not yet hit a shot, is reasonable? And honestly please put thoughts and answers to this in the comments below. I’m genuinely curious where people feel the line is that where treating someone that was is ok. 3. With respect to not naming name of marshal or course. This lady is one of the most gentle kind human beings on the planet. She doesn’t want revenge on the course/marshal and doesn’t want them getting hate messages etc because she spoke up. She believes them being mean to her, doesn’t make it ok that she is mean spirited in return. It’s her experience so I honour what she asked of me and her leadership in taking a higher road. I do question whether not making it public does allow the behaviour to continue without consequence but it’s her call on that. My part is telling the story and asking everyone to be aware this is still happening and to stand up and say this isn’t ok.
Might want to pin this comment, so that it's at the top of the comments section for clear visibility, as I had to scroll down quite a bit to find this post.
About part 1a) Not sure, this is a healthy perspective to be honest. Being a beginner golfer is obviously not something that becomes part of your identity. Creating an impression that all these things happened because she is who she is, does even more damage than the problematic situation itself. About part 1b) Getting humiliated is a bit of a subjective thing. Different egos lead to the same actions having different impacts on different individuals. But sure, as soon as somebody connects his/her own identity with being a female beginner golfer then obviously humiliation is surely on the cards. Still, the whole story sounds fishy to me. I mean, we are supposed to believe, that one ranger individual denying a paying customer the chance to play, with there being no issues earlier? Just because "female" and "beginner"? We are supposed to believe that there a situation emerged, that brought the beginner to tears and her HUSBAND not stepping in? The two other golfers not stepping in? Sorry mate, whenever such black and white stories come up, people should get a little more skeptical. Any chance, that you just fall victim to a fake story yourself? I mean, it is easy content for you and its easy moral points for you because who wouldn't be rooting for your points? Your 3rd point really is taking the cake then, so after crying, feeling hurt on an identity level, having witnessed your husband not stepping in and sharing the story with somebody with a youtube channel, the individual still is supposedly concerned with revenge? Come on. I call BS. This is the golfer equivalent of some "heroic" story about courageous police men, independent women or clever children. Stuff that is only there to create attention and clicks. That being said, there are mean people out there so the scenario here is not completely impossible. But not being impossible isn't an indicator of truth. edit: If the lady didn't want you to name and shame the club, I really hope you advised her to get in contact with the club itself. Otherwise you are just as useful of a golf buddy as her alleged husband and alleged playing partners. What do you think will change such a situation when it isn't adressing it right away? Making videos like this is running into open doors, it has no effect whatsoever.
@@Acemeistre Thanks great suggestion. I actually updated instead as I didn't want to mess with a comment others had replied to. Love that you helped out!
It is unfortunate that happened as that is not the way to treat people, more so persons new to the game. I would like to see all courses that allow the public to play, to have set days or time where beginners can play and have priority, and other days where depending on your handicap level you can have priority. So if I am a 11 handicap and I know my level are a certain time or day, I can plan for those days and time. And a beginner can make plans to play on the day and times when they are given the priority. My mother told me that in the UK, you cannot play on the golf courses unless you have a handicap. Not sure if that still stands today. There has to be some level of control to ensure people can enjoy a day of golf.
I know Marshalls have a tough run of it sometimes but they should be encouraging players, not discouraging them from playing the game. The woman you mentioned paid her fee to play and had every right to be there. I certainly hope that she had a nice long talk with the Pro or manager of that course and let them at least have a piece of her mind. I had a similar, of slightly different incident just few days ago. I got paired with a dad and his two teenage boys. Both boys are taking up the game and were out playing their first round. Their dad was not a novice but obviously hadn't been a player for that long. I can't say I was particularly thrilled with the pairing (at least at first) but, like you say, it is growing the game. And they kids were polite, nice and well behaved and took instruction pretty well. There was bout a 15 minute gap where there were no golfers between our group and the four of us teeing off. I almost jumped out and played by myself but decided to at least play a few with the kids/dad and break away if I felt it was bogging me down. We teed off on the first hole and, like every first time out the kids were hacking away. There was two foursomes behind us and I could see they were mildly perturbed at being behind a couple of beginners. Now the dad had told the boys that they could hit the ball three times and then they should pick up and just drop the ball on the green. The kids had just hit their third shot when one of the group decided to run up in his cart and berate the boys for being so slow and causing a backup on the course. This was less than 10 minutes into the round. He spent at least three or four minutes giving the kids and the dad grief before I stepped in and said something along the line, 'The only thing that is slowing us down now is you. Go back to your tee box.' Like planned the kids picked up and moved on to the green. Putted a bit and then went to hole 2. I could tell they were a bit upset at the jerk that decided to be come a self appointed marsal on the course. Before they teed off I pulled the boys aside. I pretty much said, 'That guy back there. Eff him. You have just as much right to be here as he does and what he said was unacceptable.' I also gave instructions on how to quicken up play and suggested to the dad that for this round, play a scramble format so all can hit but also they aren't hitting three or four times to make it up to his ball. It made it a game and they enjoyed that. By hole three the foursome behind us was at least a half a hole behind. At three the course marshal rolled up and told us that we were slowing down play. At this point I was starting to get ticked off. He made the comment that the two holes ahead of us were wide open to which I replied, 'Yes and they were wide open when we teed off. We are exactly on our expected 2 hour nine time.' He nodded and didn't say anything else but I know that group behind complained to him. At hole nine were were probably 10 minutes behind schedule (no big deal to me) and again the Marshal rolls up and says something. I got really snappy with him at that point and pointed out to him that the group behind us is just now getting up to the tee and has had to wait on us for one hole. I also reminded him that I have played there for 15 years and have rarely ever gotten off that course in under four hours. Whether the boys and dad had planned to play 9 or 18 I don't know for sure but I could tell they had enough and they called it a round after nine holes. It probably was best they did, this game can get overwhelming for new golfers and nine holes is about all a new teen probably could take. But I also know that they didn't get much support from anyone other than some middle aged dude that is one of the more impatient golfers you will normally find on the course. I hate slow play. I mean I HATE it. It drives me crazy. At the same time I recognize that someone new is going to take a bit longer and that the goal is to both get through the round at a reasonable time AND to make it fun for the person playing. I encouraged them to keep playing, to get out and have fun. I pretty much told them that the first year should just be an opportunity to go and enjoy yourself, learn to hit the ball and get better. Don't take longer than 15 minutes on a hole. Time yourself and if you find you are getting to that time then move up, pick up or whatever but don't let idiots ruin the game for you. You can have fun and be respectful to others around you.
I used to live in LA and used to play at a good public course that had the 1st tee directly in sight of the cashier/starter office, and close to the practice putting green. When somebody had trouble getting off the tee like swinging and barely moving the ball, the starter would announce over the loudspeaker to the player to pick up their ball and walk down the fairway to play their next shot. Pretty embarrassing to the player. It sounded pretty mean, but this course was known for 5 1/2 to 6 hour rounds on the weekend so justified or not? It certainly didn't speed up the overall speed of play.
"Full set of own clubs..." What?! I went a long time ago, as a kid, and my uncle only used a 9 iron and a putter on the par 3 course, me and my friend just used his clubs, of which he only had like 5 total with him, lol. Why do you need a set of your own clubs, especially on a par 3 course? Obviously if there are people standing behind waiting for you, and you're a beginner, just move on to the next hole... common sense... Dude must have been drunk.
Clearly something triggered him. And she was very mindful about pace of play and picking up. We'd spoken the week before and I knew she was nervous about holding anyone up so was definitely prepared to pick up and go forward if needed. Essentially he just looked her over and decided she didn't qualify to be there by his measure.
Keep up the great content! Golf is for all skill levels, I am sure the owner of the golf course has been aware of the situation and the marshal has been talking too. Growing the game of golf and other sports is essential.
That same marshal is the guy that takes several practice swings then hits the ball 20 yards. Then when he putts he looks and studies all angles takes 4 or 5 practice swings then misses the putt anyway. Point is speed of play IS a problem. There’s no reason 9 holes should take 2 hours or 4 or more hours playing 18.
Not sure all the facts are true. They accepted her green fee in the club house and the ranger interacted with them on the first tee and basically chased them out of there. Seems like this person would probably be telling the staff inside about this being her first time and by accepting the green fee the deal was sealed.Rangers are at the bottom of the food chain at golf courses and the pro or the person responsible for the bottom line of the course makes the policy for all course decisions involving play. We jump to the conclusion that this happened because the golfer was a women but any junior golfer would also be turned away as well. Better chance these women encountered a miserable marshal than a public golf course that has an issue with women. Nothing about actual course policy giving by anyone other than a marshal. Hard to believe her money was accepted and she got chased out of there before her first swing. More info needed.
Think I picked this one up in a previous comment but just in case I missed it... She was so embarrassed and completely in tears that she just wanted out of the situation and left. My understanding is her partner did go in and ask for a refund. Whether that was given doesn't' address the issue that she was treated as a problem for who she was not for how she was playing. She hadn't even started yet.
Spot on !!! We do not know the whole story and there are always two sides. How do we know that the marshal was not fired or admin action taken. For that matter, how do we know what the Marshal said exactly ? Sometimes words are taken out of context or the story is exaggerated. Everyone know how a story changes. Anyway no person should be treated this way and no marshal should be on such a power trip " if it really happened EXACTLY and the OP said"
Observation ... why did the 3 male players not intervene on the new golfer's behalf while she was being bullied by the course marshall? If all 3 were agreeable before the marshall arrived, what stopped them from speaking up?
I doubt this is so much about about golf per se and is probably more about one screwed up person (the marshall) and their need for power and control. I truly hope someone contacted the owners of the course and calmly explained what happened. I would hope after this that that person was never allowed to marshall again.
You didn’t call it out though. Not naming or identifying the course prevents accountability, delays action, and avoids proper validation for this new golfer. This post only provided content for your page and nothing else. Cool story though.
If this lady was crying and humiliated by her treatment at this course, it makes no sense that she would not want the course identified and her treatment brought to the attention of management. If this lady is as genuinely nice as you stated, it is understandable that she might not want to be identified, but not want to provide any information to help prevent this from happening to others, makes the whole story suspect. I believe this story was woven together to call attention to a legitimate issue but should not have been presented as a factual event.
Thats why he’s a marshall , some people just love that job . Had a marshall come up to our group and moan about an errant tee shot - which none of our group had made - he kept banging on and on until one of our group a lifelong member told him to get f…… the look on his face was priceless , no doubt he skuttled back and reported it but we didnt hear anything , i think he’s been a member for a couple of years . No old school golfer would do that they just cant get volunteers i suppose ..
I hope she didn’t quit, and I pray she holds that golf course and marshal accountable! I guarantee you he is not the norm and truly needs to be dealt with!
Made arrangements with friends to go for an actual round of 9. I had golfed before with work folks and enjoyed it. Already at the 4th hole, putting. Some dick in a course employee cart tells me, not the others, I must vacate due to T-box damage with unreplaced divots. I never left divots in a T-box as verified by my company. I explained a few on the fareway, but they were replaced. I knew the drill as I used to be a greens keeper years before. He insisted. I rebutted and demanded to see this in the course rules/constitution and refused to stop playing. His delaying us from play forced us to let two other teams play through which he said was not allowed. Again, show me I said. If I am forced to go, I wanted a full refund because nowhere was anything about this in the waiver. He harassed no one else. I took it to the board of directors. I got my money back, an apology from the board, two rounds at no charge anytime as compensation and his dismissal. It turns out, I was the only one with sneakers; flat-soled sneakers. This golf snob took a unilateral exception that cost him his job.
I have definitely run into course marshals on power trips before - some kinda weird human trait that some folks just yearn to be jerks every chance they get - if this happened to me I would talk everyone in the group into going to the clubhouse for a refund before hitting a single ball - just let the pro shop know that the marshal doesn’t want us there
Hi John. Thanks for adding to the conversation. Also for offering your thoughts on a healthy approach to the situation. New players especially are vulnerable to not knowing the norms and also what is ok so hearing from someone sharing what should be happening and positive way to deal with it when that doesn't happen is helpful to others.
It's not about Marshals, very rarely see them at my locals. So many slow players, that seem to think that TV PGA golf pace is the norm. Honestly, there should be some public education videos on the main golf TV channels about pace of play and "Ready Golf".
How could she have experienced any pace of play when they booted her for even trying. It was a par 3, for goodness sake. I’m not a slow player, but I’ll take my time over a shot. I find that the people who actually whinge about slow play tend to saunter their way around the course, chat too much, and generally pfaff about, and complain when others don’t walk up and hit it. I’d sooner spend my time hastening to my next shot, than hurrying my actual shot. Also, “speed golf” is a very specific niche game, and not how the game was intended to be played.
Yep it's a thing at this particular course. I mentioned to someone above, not trying to be disparaging but it's basically the bottom of the heap in terms of golf courses in the area so it's out there for sure. The whole story is so out there....which is why I understand why some people question it.
My story. My friend and I were walking with push carts. We got to a par 3 hole. Red tee is 125 yards. Green is 140. We hit and were around the green. Four old men come up in their carts and didn’t like seeing women or walkers. They hit into us. I was hiding behind my golf bag. They called the Marshall and said we were slow. We were the ones who got yelled at.
I've seen that happen a few times on a golf course to other guys if the group behind didn't think the golfers ahead were moving fast enough, usually ended up in fist fights, obviously you and your friend didn't have that option
Slow play is 1 thing but there are a couple things I cant stand out on the course... people slamming or throwing their clubs and our other equipment around screaming and yelling, abusing the hell out of the carts, and acting like they are way better than they really are and "having an off day". or the A$$HOLES that hit into you even when you are on time or early. lets face it, all of us suck or we would be getting PAID TO GOLF.
Sounds like this Marshal used to he part of the old guard boys' club in Hockey Canada, was ousted, then had to pick up a part time job at a little par 3 to make ends meet.
Hi Michael. Love that you would have stood up for her. She was paired up with a twosome she didn't know. I don't know if they were trying to help or not so can't speak to that. She did say they were super nice, welcoming and very supportive when she introduced herself and said this was her fist time on the "big" course. The person she came with also tried to intervene but she eventually was so embarrassed by the way the marshal was admonishing her for being there she just wanted to get out of there as quickly as she could.
This is a bunch of crap! I played with a friend a few weeks ago that was his first time, we played 9 holes teeing off as the last group of the day. At hole 7 the marshal came and told us we were taking to long and the we needed to speed it up. He then parked his cart and watched us, telling us again to speed up. This totally ruined the last three hole, I told the marshal it was my friends first time, but he just blew it off and continued to make a big deal about our pace. Spoiled what was a great time until mister I want to go home interfered!
Was this really a pitch and putt, par 27 course? I'm thrown off by the requirement for a full bag. If it is a par 27 course, do they expect players to carry a driver, fairway woods, long irons/hybrids, etc. with them? Did they tell the clubhouse what happened with the marshal? What did the clubhouse say? I hope they at least got a refund.
I forgot to add that the full bag requirement makes it sound like it wasn't a beginner level course. I play a 9 hole course that has one par 5, multiple par 4s, dog legs, out of bounds hazards, strong cross winds, etc. It's a real deal course where you need a full bag and be an experienced player. If this is the case, then I can see where the marshal was coming from.
@@alexli4942 More likely that the whole story is BS and madeup to generate "content". It is extremely one sided. They want us to believe that 4 men did this woman dirty - the alleged marshall who behaved in a way nobody would feel appropriate, a husband who apparently didn't put a stop in and two experienced golfers who didn't take her side? But this angel of a woman still doesn't want to name and shame? Sorry guys, this is BS.
I encountered 1 jerk marshall years ago when I was new to the game (i was with experienced golfers so they made sure I was following proper etiquette and not doing anything wrong.) The marshall just sniffed me out and decided to pick on me but luckily my buddies stood up for me. Yes the jerks are out there.
Moral of the story….dont tell the marshal it’s your first round ever….. if the club doesn’t allow first timers on their course they should have told the players when they were paying since I do believe the young lady declared that she was playing her first round of golf.
Too many unanswered questions here. First off the Marshall doesn’t run the course, thats the Head pro and in his absence the assistant pro unless they have a designated manager by some off chance. Most Marshalls are retirees just there to keep busy and for the perk of free golf that comes with it and in the end don’t carry that authority. Sorry I know plenty of them and even some head pros.
I see your point with this video, hoping to prevent this kind of extra at other courses. But you or her need to name the course. That's the only way this behavior is gonna change
Sometimes people who are new are going to be vulnerable to not knowing the norms and also vulnerable because they are nervous and self conscious about being a beginner. It's really helpful for them to hear comments like yours so they know what to do in a proactive manner and also what isn't ok to experience. Thanks for this.
This sounds fabricated. Does a par 3 course even have a marshal, let alone not welcome beginners? Or enforce a rule about not having a complete set of clubs, which isn't even a thing (since some people regularly play with a 1/2 bag).
My daughter is 26 years old and is just picking up the game. She will be going to the range to get in her learning time. Her clubs have been built and she will learn the way I did at 10 years of age. If this happens here in WV when I take her to the course to play, her Gen X Dad is going to go off. I will go to jail and the starter WILL apologize for their atrocities to my daughter before I go. This guy apparently has issues with ladies. He and the course where it happened needs to be famous.
Hi Zane, I have a daughter who is similar age and is learning the game too. Hopefully you both get to share wonderful times on the golf course. With respect to naming the course I just added some pinned comments speaking to that. Basics are the lady it happened to made me promise not to "out" the course. She is a very gentle and kind person and doesn't want a revenge style video. So we are focusing on the event and the conversation about how golf has this heritage of not being inclusive and welcoming and we need to stop doing that. The game is amazing in that I can play with my beginner daughter and have a wonderful time together. Not many sports bring that same option so lets encourage new players to come and enjoy....not chase them off.
@@FittedGolfperfectly understand your opinion. Understand what you are trying to do with the video. This has never happened to me, but I have seen it happen at courses and it infuriates me. I’m not crazy enough though hurt someone over my daughter not getting to play a round of golf, but the world we live in today would call them on you, just because you stood up for them. I got asked at one of our local courses to use a 3 wood instead of a persimmon driver which I bang 250 yards, because my driver broke on the first tee. The ranger wouldn’t let it go. So when I made the turn to 10 i stopped and talked to the owner. The ranger never bothered me again. Yes he still works there. Yes I still play there. Knee jerk reaction to your video.
I've added some additional comments to the description section. I'm mostly duplicating them here as per a couple suggestions. Thanks also @Acermeistre for suggesting I pin these so they are front and centre. Good to have more experienced RUclips users lend a hand!
1. Yes the story is true and accurate. It seems too crazy to have happened but this really did occur as I've shared. I get that some people are responding to that disconnect saying it's lies and clickbait. Unfortunately it did happen.
2 I'm all for considering there may be another viewpoint to a story. That's a healthy thought.
For comments that say, she must have done something to "deserve it", that isn't offering the idea there could be another side to the story.
That's normalizing abusive behaviour. They are different.
3. We did not cover the process of her getting a refund as it isn't pertinent to the interaction in question....unless you are suggesting the treatment she received was ok as long as she got the refund?
However I understand in retrospect that knowing a refund was eventually given helps with feeling the video was more complete.
4. To those who want the golf course and marshal identified.
I understand that piece being withheld feels incomplete.
The lady this happened to is one of the nicest human beings on the planet...genuinely. She wouldn't allow me to share the story if I identified those involved.
She accepted it was important to share this story and have people talk about it. She wasn't willing to have the story be a way of extracting revenge for what happened to her.
While I may not have been that charitable I am respecting the agreement we made.
5. To those who have asked why I didn't block or take down comments that are abrasive.
The entire purpose of the video is to bring forth conversation about how we treat one another. While I may disagree with the viewpoint of some of the commenters, if we are to have a discussion we have to actually listen to different viewpoints and consider them. We don't have to agree but curating them to solely support my perspective isn't a discussion.
If someone wants to stand up for abuse and bullying and defend it, I don't agree with it, but at least own it if you are going there.
For those who just want to be trolls....you get none of my time.
Jason
It's only a par 3 course, this is where a beginner should start out!
Agreed.
As a former Marshall at a local Muni, I came across this exact same scenario numerous times. I always welcomed the new golfer, reminded them of pace of play and if they didn't have their own clubs i asked to make sure next time they have their own set. I always encouraged them to have a good time and told them that every golfer played for the first time once. This Marshalls behavior is totally unacceptable.
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Thank you. As it should be for beginners. 👍
Firstly thanks for jumping in as a marshal and offering your viewpoint. You were front and centre so are a highly credible voice in the discussion. I appreciate your contribution and also thank you for being the kind of ambassador to the game that you describe above. Wonderful that you were helping new people feel welcome, comfortable and developing their confidence in being able to enjoy the game
She had already been to the range several times. A short par 3 course where you don't need a full bag of clubs. This guy needs to be relieved of his position and shamed publicly. What a tool. Good luck to the lady in getting back to a course and hopefully learning to love the game in spite of the "obstruction" she faced in this circumstance. We're all pulling for her!
Hi Glenn...Hopefully I have your name right!. Really kind of you to support her. She is genuinely one of the most gentle humans I've ever met. It really stung but she said she is willing to try again...just not right away as it's still a bit fresh.
When I started 40 plus years ago, we played a municipal course in Southampton UK the starter was a big guy called Ivan, he yelled at us once, but it was his first and last time as we put him firmly in his place, telling him what we thought of his attitude, I don't think anyone had ever questioned him before, never had a problem with him again.
Name and shame the course
The story is missing tons of info. They took her money but chased her before one swing.Sounds fishy..
Hey Tony. Just posted a few add ons above. The lady asked me not to name them. Explanation above.
@@ram0666 I know it's nuts right. Why I did the video. Just added a few bits above in the top of the comments to add some thoughts.
@@FittedGolf Hope you tried to change her stance. And at least get in contact with the venue where this alleged situation happened. There is no point opening generalized accusations towards all marshalls when it is one indivdual we are talking about here.
edit: such content isn't going to create the attention you want for a youtube channel. So in case this is some sort of stunt to generate engagement, keep in mind that it can backfire severely.
Why tf did they listen to this marshall?? Continue playing and film him going mental. Win-win.
A 9 hole par 3 is the exact place for beginners. If you’re taking golf that seriously at a 9hP3 then that’s a you problem
Whether its a par three or Augusta doesnt change how the pace of play should be. Just being a par 3 doesnt mean its romper room time. This story has plenty of facts that need to be known for somebody to be able to comment in an educated way. Hard to believe that they accepted her green fee and she got chased out of there before her first swing. More real facts need to be known with this story.
@@ram0666 if you believe that the same standards should be placed on a $10 or $15 gf 9hp3 as Augusta that is a you problem. Those courses are intended for ppl just starting out. If you can't factor the course in your handicap then you shouldn't be taking it too seriously. What this story speaks to is that many course rangers go off on a power trip. They are retired and have nothing else to do
@@ram0666 I didn't mention in the video but just to help she was very aware of pace of play and that she'd pick up if they were behind. We missed adding that in the video but it would have been useful to know for the comments
@@FittedGolfI have taken people into the course when they are starting out, as you say you pick quiet times. You give them
Minimal advice as this can confuse, but you tell starters forget bunkers. If in the rough or crappy lie place the ball, get it back on the fairway it’s hard enough when starting without forcing them to start playing recovery shots. Pick up if really struggling then play a chip and putt to finish the hole.
It’s a hard game and does not need to be made even harder for new starters.
@ram0666 point is that you don't kick someone off the course before they've even hit a ball on the basis that the MIGHT play too slowly. If they aren't letting people play through and are holding things up, that's when a ranger has a duty to say something. Not weird golf minority report do it before they've hit a ball.
The marshal is a great example of the Peter Principle
a marshal on a par 3? LOL what a ridiculous concept
Hopefully your opinion would change if you payed to play there and a 9 hole round on a par 3 took 2+ hours.
@@danmyers9372 so youre in favor of kicking people off the course before they even swing? slow rounds happen. and will happen on just about every course out there except for a very small percentage. if you care that much about pace of play, go spend 200 for an actual course instead of 30 for a par 3 course.
@@danmyers9372 he said it was off peak hours. Not sure why there is even a need for a marshall outside of peak times
@@danmyers9372Who knows how long she would have taken, given she was kicked off before she even started. Even Tiger has taken a 10 at a par 3, so seems to me that it’s people like you who are the problem. If you don’t have time to play golf, then choose a faster sport.
anit that the truth ,, the marshal needs a lesson and the course wish he had told us who where and her so we could invite her to a real course with a real love for golf and sharing the addiction the game really is it is the best drug ever
My 11 year old daughter is a full member of my golf club, cumberwell, Uk. She has always been welcomed by staff, management, professional and all associated with the club. She learnt with me on the range, however when she goes on the course to play nobody criticises her in fact exactly the opposite. They love to see a young girl learning to play their game of golf. The woman in question needs to go to a club that welcomes players. It help that my daughter can on occasions hit her driver 200+ yards! Golf should be for all! 👍😀😀
Thanks for jumping in. Love that you and your daughter are enjoying the game together. Wonderful to hear your course is so supportive and helping to encourage young people to play.
I remember teaching a lady to golf and the first time we went on the course I teed up everyone of her shots just a little bit even in the fairway. This helped her make solid contact and boosted confidence. After a few times out and more practice, she had the confidence to hit the ball off the ground.
Hi Bradly (Hope I have the name right). Awesome story. love that your focus was on success and someone enjoying the game. Thanks for sharing as it gives others good ideas on how to have positive early experiences.
A Marshall tried this with me and a gf. I let the Marshall know he could drive off or be carried away. He wasn't up for it. I riptalked to the pro in the proshop at the turn. Apparently that Marshall is no longer there.
Exactly the answer a guy should give! I'm not letting anyone bully my girl. I kind of hope she dumps him for being spineless.
Hi Bruce. Firstly thanks for jumping in. It's been amazing/not amazing to me simultaneously to hear this continues to happen as much as it appears. Thanks for sharing that it happened to you as well. It's great that you were confident enough to be able to stand up and deal with the situation directly. For others who are newer and/or don't have that confidence it's really helpful for them to know they aren't alone and also that what they are experiencing isn't acceptable.
I'm making the leap that your GF was a newer player. Hopefully she continues to be interested in the game and enjoy it.
Sad, I hope you keep playing, this happened to a friend of mine a year ago, last Saturday she shot a 78, keep playing ❤
*Attention Marshalls* - if you aren't receiving complaints from golfers _on the course,_ please mind your own business and take a piss elsewhere.
This golf course needs to be called out!!
I am so happy that my wife who is just starting out has experienced nothing but welcoming and incredible experiences over this summer
Hi Bryan (hope I have that right) Awesome to hear. Please more people share stories about how it should be so anyone inclined to the old ways of golf understand they are out of date and in a shrinking minority.
I played my first round on a Par 3 course when I was 15. I had only watched golf on TV and noticed you start with a driver. Tee'd up the ball on a 130yard ish hole, and took a full swing. The ball sailed over the green, over the bushes behind the green, over the stone wall and landed on the road. Everyone was a beginner at one time.
That's great.
Lol...great first golf story. Before anyone gets going on me I'm making the assumption nobody was in danger and nothing was damaged in error. This is one of the wonderful side benefits of golf. Ridiculous shots (mine and others) that left me doubled up in laugher at the absurdity of the moment.
Thanks for giving me a good chuckle with your sharing.
@@FittedGolf Everything was good, country roads.
No course name? Why is the course being protected if it means that much to you?
That starter is probably a guy who did not get hired as a cop or even a security guard and is using his authority at a par 3 course. I have run into these guys before.
Thanks for sharing your experience. Everyone who shares their story of these things helps cut into the voices that claim this doesn't' really happen. It's very unfortunate that we are still seeing this happen in golf. It's not a good look and we need to change it.
What is the name of the Par 3 course and City and State please?
Like it's been said, a Marshall on a 9 hole par 3 course? LOL
Settle down there, Marshy......
Apparently Marshal ‘Moron’ never had a first round of Golf in his life. Otherwise… he should have been told to leave the course and go to the range. 🤦♂️
Marshall should be fired. Jerk!
This is irritating. I’m playing less than a year and I’m well used to it now and I love seeing new people take it up. I try to encourage everyone I talk to to play it and offer for them to come with me.
Such a pity but anyone who has experienced this just picked the wrong course. I’ve had so many good experiences playing golf as a beginner with people who are playing for years.
Thanks for jumping in. Also for affirming how it should be as that helps others know how it should be and what they should be expecting with the game.
I love the game especially for the all the memories and laughter I've shared with so many different players over the years.
Never discourage someone's eagerness to learn new skills. To play golf effectively you must be committed to continuous learning. That's how professional golfers became professional golfers.
Love this. Be nice if every first timer felt welcomed, supported and had people show them the ropes so they feel comfortable doing something they aren't yet experts at.....vs shamed and scared off of ever playing again.
If we meet that person at the range or course maybe help them by making sure they know where they are going and answering any of their questions so they actually have fun....
WOW! This story hits home but in a different way. My wife and I are avid golfers and have been for years. We are much older now looking at 80 in a couple of years. I started to play the forward tees a couple years ago to keep the game moving. My wife can keep up with the best of them. The pro shop have gotten to know us and realize that we are informal, low key type of players. As such, they have been pairing us up with new players, players that are new to the area and have not made golfing friends yet, visitors for the summer, etc. We have met so many wonderful people and couples. I play on a senior scramble league once a week and one of the players asked if he and his wife could play with us. She was very self conscious and lacked confidence. We've played four times so far and now have new golfing friends. It's sad that this unfortunate girl had to experience the jerk Marshall and I hope she sticks with it. It's a great game as long as you don't take it too seriously and keep it fun.
I had a comment made by a “golf pro” at my local course many years ago at a course south of Atlanta.
Was playing with a friend who dropped at the turn. On the back 9 while waiting for the group in front to clear I was joined by this guy and a friend. We were about 1/2 way through the back 9 and when waiting on the t box he started complaining about how long it was taking and said that his sister dropped at the turn because it took 2 1/2 hrs to play the front. Trying to be nice I said that yeah my friend dropped as well. It was in Feb and cold and windy. I added that that and being the time of year and some folks haven’t picked up their clubs in a while we’re why it was a bit slow. His comment to me was that “If ya don’t know how to play the game you shouldn’t be out here”.
The Marshall was a jerk. But I do find it unfair that you make the assumption that he would not have been a jerk to a beginner who was a man.
It's completely fair to call that out.
I did contemplate not commenting that way in the video but decided I had thought about it fully and believe it was a contributor.
Clearly there are other women who have played there but if the only two things he had were she is a beginner and female....I'm making the leap he isn't running off every beginner.
Why the vitriol towards her....no idea what set him off.
In the end, as I said in the video, I am saying I think gender affected his choices but if this had happened to a beginner male it would be equally terrible and we need to stop this from being a part of golf.
Like the commenter above who was shamed about his size and assumptions were made about his capabilities.
Thanks for thoughtful contributions and holding the channel to high standards. Love that.
It's asinine how people frame these issues when the research shows that women have a huge bias in their favor in pretty much all walks of life. What this guy probably doesn't understand is that it could be that beginner women are just worse at golf than beginner men thus it's not that he is getting mad at her per se for being a woman but that women generally have a greater proportion of incompetent people he would get mad at. To reiterate, for the same competency level, people generally show a high level of favor toward women. And the funny thing is despite all the virtue signaling about sexism people do, there's a longstanding stereotype of men (and women for that matter) having no patience for incompetent men, yet they will have a lot of patience to help out incompetent women
@@TheThreatenedSwanto which research, specifically, are you referring?
@@FittedGolfYes, my wife has put up with this type of behavior towards women from men her entire life. It’s easier for men to bully a woman than it is a man.
@@TheThreatenedSwanYou could not be more wrong.
If you don’t throw the golf course name out there how can you expect change?
A recent round of golf of mine was ruined by a marshall who was very strict about the CPO (cart paths only) rule and pace of play. I agree with CPO when a course is wet, but not when its DRY.
I don't care what the original poster says. Not naming the course isn't helpful. Or he could have said the course was in the suburbs of xyz city. The problem at this course won't get any better until they lose some business or receive some complaints. Being secretive is tantamount to someone posting a poor restaurant review and not naming it. How does it help the reader?
It could be the course is not aware of the marshals behavior. It is unfair to call out the course.
Thanks for your thoughts. I understand where they come from. I added some comments to the description and pinned to the top of the comments section. Short answer is the lady this happened to wouldn't allow me to share the story if I named the people involved. She didn't want this to be a revenge video.
While I understand where you are coming from and I'd prefer to just call it out I'm honour our agreement.
What's the name of the course and where is it located. The reason I'd like to know is because I will not go to that course and easy my money.
I don't think the marshall should be named, but I do think the course should be, so that everyone knows what their stance is about new players.
They would soon find that they'd loose customers and therefore HAVE to change their stance on new golfers.
Otherwise this behaviour would only be allowed to continue. 😕
I bumped some additional information into the comments and also description specifically on this a few minutes ago. I agree it leaves a bit of a gap but the lady it happened to is very gentle and kind and wouldn't agree to me sharing the story if I named the people/course involved. I am respecting that agreement and trust the most important part is the discussion that says it's not ok to treat anyone this way.
I am pretty much a beginner myself, and I regularly play a 9-hole course. A bit more than a par-3 (it has bunkers, water (island green, even), rough and so forth). I started with a group lesson from the pro there, and one thing that stuck out to me is to keep up the pace of play. But that place is pretty laid back, and I have never seen a marshal there. In the spring when the weather was cold, I could play by myself - as the weather warmed up, I get paired with others. As I watch others play, I see their bad shots, and get less self-conscious about my own bad shots. And I have been held up by slower groups ahead of me (they have both riding carts and pull carts there - pull-carts are one main source of slower play at this place). But I try and never hold up people behind me (I recall once looking over at the previous hole - the guy behind me was busy trying to fish the ball out of the water, so I stopped worrying on that day).
I spent a lot of time at the range myself, and that's fine for what it is, but it is only a subset of the game. Doesn't help with pitch/chip/putt. Doesn't help learning to hit out of the rough. Doesn't help with bunkers. A putting green can sometimes help with some of these other aspects, but there is a sense of satisfaction you get when you can put the whole game together from one end to the other. Far from a perfect game, of course, but a lot more fun than going to the range.
Anyways, I am shocked that the marshal would treat her like this - I would have definitely gone into the pro shop and complained, and if that didn't help, I would have gone up the chain. That sort of thing should simply never happen.
Hi Jack. Thanks so much for sharing your positive experiences with the game. Everyone who shares good things about their experience adds to the viewpoint that supports how the game should be experienced.
I appreciate that the nicest human being didn’t want this to be about her “getting revenge” and you are just pointing out we should be welcoming to people playing this sport especially newbies. But it is like saying, please choose your produce at the grocery store wisely, because one store sells rotten food. Your nice thought in general doesn’t help me specifically. I would want to know where a golf course is just lying in wait to deride me for everything they feel is (in their uninformed opinion) where I am inconsiderate and a drain on the enjoyment of others as they judged this woman on the first tee.
I have a pass at enger golf course, the manager is bad, and says I need to 'bring someone to supervise me' otherwise he calls the police, I want to play golf, he says he wants me to let everyone on social media how bad he is
While I was back up in New York for our father’s funeral my brother and I met up with a couple of buddies at a course in northern New Jersey 2 days after the service. All of us in our sixties, the ranger says to us “ I’ll tell you one thing, there’s someone in this cart that needs a haircut, me, as I wear it in a ponytail. What a set of balls. Never going near that course again.
Thank you for sharing your story. There are others like it in the comments and it's helpful that anyone who has been treated this way speaks up so we stop pretending like it's a "one of". I accept there will always be judgement in life based on appearance but when we are silent about that, it's a form of validating that behaviour is ok.
You sharing your story helps others realize this is still a thing and that we need to add our voice to the discussion saying this isn't ok.
This helps anyone who might not be confident enough to speak up or advocate for themselves know behaviour like that isn't condoned by the majority of us.
there are many public 9 hole pitch-and-put courses where I grew up, all part of a County parks system, those are the exact courses beginners need to start playing, you're too vague to know if this was a public or private course, or what type of course, exactly? 300 and 400 yard fairways, or 50 to 80 yard holes? it depends on the type of course and whether it's public or private to make a judgement on what happened
Similar situation with my wife and I. I got refunds and never returned. I’ve been bad-mouthing that course for 17 years. I won’t name it but it is a Country Club in Cranston, RI (western Cranston). Course Ranger was an old D-bag. Don’t fix your divots or ball marks if you golf there.
What a way to grow the sport. Isn't this the only way EVERY golfer started in the sport?
There's so many ways that I feel golf has a bunch of issues when it comes to things like this on the course... I'm a heavy and big man and on on course I played at when I came in to register to play a club pro said hey fat man don't come here to embarrass yourself... I swiftly said to him that I would be okay and that I was a 6 handicap and he laughed at me.... I went out and played with my group and I hit a 69 on their par 72 course... I never went back their..
Thanks for sharing your experience. It's part of the same conversation.
I get people are narrow minded but when we just gloss over it and say things like "that's just how it is" then that's just how it will be.
So we need to speak up and say that isn't going to wash and you need to do better.
It's not always comfortable, sometimes it's not safe to speak up. But most times it is or we find ways to have the conversation safely so that we are reminded it's not ok to gloss over this.
Great score btw. Congrats on that kind of play.
A 9 hole, par 3 course is where beginners should start playing. I’m trying to think if I’ve ever seen a marshall on this type of course and I don’t believe I have.
I’m a 13 handicap. I have walked on as a single many times when I travel. One time I played a Gary Player designed course. I got paired with a husband and wife. She had never played before and had hit balls on the range for the first time that morning. On the first tee she missed the ball twice and then hit it maybe 10 yards to the right. The whole round was like that. I would suggest that a newbie like that should play a scramble.
I'm just starting out myself. Went to a local small course with only 9 holes that I had played on a couple times before. Granted, I shoot about 20-23 over being new, I had a gentleman start cussing us out and telling us to get off the course because we were " holding everyone up". When in reality it was a group that was 2 tee times ahead of us. We didn't tee off until 15 min past our first tee time. But he then proceeded to drive from the tee box slicing far into the woods. Way worse than my shot as a beginner off the same tee box. So karma git justice on that one. But he upset one guy in our group so bad he didn't even finish out
If she’d never been on a driving range prior to this then the marshal has a point. My public golf course does not allow anyone to play without a handicap and they require you to sign up for their training course, which is not cheap, to be certified if you do not already have a certified handicap.
I’ve been exposed to a Marshall on a golf course that left me feeling that he was retired from a real job and enjoys exercising his authority.
It goes the other way too. Marshals should know the game. I was confronted on by a marshal on a course in Northern Mn. The course was packed. Not an open hole anywhere. I was about 225 out for my second shot on a par five. This is 20 yrs ago. On top of a hill. He said what are you waiting for? I told him the group on the green are my friends. Even if I didn't know them I wouldn't hit into them. He said we were holding up play and he might have to ask us to leave. The green opened up I hit my ball on the green and he just drove away.
People that are new to the game of golf need to learn thru a program like Operation 36, that starts from 25 yards away from the pin and works you back in increments. Nobody who is new to the game should be on a tee box anytime soon. They should learn the game, learn to hit balls, and start small. The program works and avoids situations like this.
All the Marshall needed to say is welcome and to tell them to always let faster players play through.
A few additional details based on comments below
1. There are two points I'm addressing in this video
a. This lady was run off because of WHO she is (beginner) not because of what she was doing (playing slow)
This all happened BEFORE she had even hit her first shot.
The only two pieces of information the marshal had was she is a beginner and female.
Which of those makes her unqualified to play the starter par 3 course?
b. The marshal publicly humiliated her and ran her off.
What circumstance exists where it's ok to treat anyone that way? Never mind someone who hasn't actually done anything yet. Never mind a new player who already is self conscious and nervous about their first real course experience. Never mind someone who also had taken the time to be prepared to keep things moving and would have gladly picked up any time she was at risk of holding things up.
Never mind she had been partnered with 2 experienced players that were good with her being a beginner, were welcoming and would have made sure things moved along as needed.
3. For those of you who are offering there is always 2 sides to the story. On a pure level I think it’s good we always ask if there are other viewpoints.
If we consider that idea, for the moment.
For it to be valid there would have to be a circumstance where this person deserved to be humiliated and run off the course.
My question to you:
What circumstances could you envision where being humiliated and run off the first tee of a golf course, having not yet hit a shot, is reasonable?
And honestly please put thoughts and answers to this in the comments below.
I’m genuinely curious where people feel the line is that where treating someone that was is ok.
3. With respect to not naming name of marshal or course.
This lady is one of the most gentle kind human beings on the planet.
She doesn’t want revenge on the course/marshal and doesn’t want them getting hate messages etc because she spoke up.
She believes them being mean to her, doesn’t make it ok that she is mean spirited in return.
It’s her experience so I honour what she asked of me and her leadership in taking a higher road.
I do question whether not making it public does allow the behaviour to continue without consequence but it’s her call on that.
My part is telling the story and asking everyone to be aware this is still happening and to stand up and say this isn’t ok.
Might want to pin this comment, so that it's at the top of the comments section for clear visibility, as I had to scroll down quite a bit to find this post.
About part 1a) Not sure, this is a healthy perspective to be honest. Being a beginner golfer is obviously not something that becomes part of your identity. Creating an impression that all these things happened because she is who she is, does even more damage than the problematic situation itself.
About part 1b) Getting humiliated is a bit of a subjective thing. Different egos lead to the same actions having different impacts on different individuals. But sure, as soon as somebody connects his/her own identity with being a female beginner golfer then obviously humiliation is surely on the cards.
Still, the whole story sounds fishy to me. I mean, we are supposed to believe, that one ranger individual denying a paying customer the chance to play, with there being no issues earlier? Just because "female" and "beginner"? We are supposed to believe that there a situation emerged, that brought the beginner to tears and her HUSBAND not stepping in? The two other golfers not stepping in? Sorry mate, whenever such black and white stories come up, people should get a little more skeptical. Any chance, that you just fall victim to a fake story yourself? I mean, it is easy content for you and its easy moral points for you because who wouldn't be rooting for your points?
Your 3rd point really is taking the cake then, so after crying, feeling hurt on an identity level, having witnessed your husband not stepping in and sharing the story with somebody with a youtube channel, the individual still is supposedly concerned with revenge? Come on.
I call BS. This is the golfer equivalent of some "heroic" story about courageous police men, independent women or clever children. Stuff that is only there to create attention and clicks.
That being said, there are mean people out there so the scenario here is not completely impossible. But not being impossible isn't an indicator of truth.
edit: If the lady didn't want you to name and shame the club, I really hope you advised her to get in contact with the club itself. Otherwise you are just as useful of a golf buddy as her alleged husband and alleged playing partners. What do you think will change such a situation when it isn't adressing it right away? Making videos like this is running into open doors, it has no effect whatsoever.
@@Acemeistre Thanks great suggestion. I actually updated instead as I didn't want to mess with a comment others had replied to. Love that you helped out!
So much I don't know. Too many questions to ask that can't be answered.
Thank you for speaking out. Bang on.
It is unfortunate that happened as that is not the way to treat people, more so persons new to the game. I would like to see all courses that allow the public to play, to have set days or time where beginners can play and have priority, and other days where depending on your handicap level you can have priority. So if I am a 11 handicap and I know my level are a certain time or day, I can plan for those days and time. And a beginner can make plans to play on the day and times when they are given the priority. My mother told me that in the UK, you cannot play on the golf courses unless you have a handicap. Not sure if that still stands today. There has to be some level of control to ensure people can enjoy a day of golf.
I know Marshalls have a tough run of it sometimes but they should be encouraging players, not discouraging them from playing the game. The woman you mentioned paid her fee to play and had every right to be there. I certainly hope that she had a nice long talk with the Pro or manager of that course and let them at least have a piece of her mind.
I had a similar, of slightly different incident just few days ago. I got paired with a dad and his two teenage boys. Both boys are taking up the game and were out playing their first round. Their dad was not a novice but obviously hadn't been a player for that long. I can't say I was particularly thrilled with the pairing (at least at first) but, like you say, it is growing the game. And they kids were polite, nice and well behaved and took instruction pretty well.
There was bout a 15 minute gap where there were no golfers between our group and the four of us teeing off. I almost jumped out and played by myself but decided to at least play a few with the kids/dad and break away if I felt it was bogging me down. We teed off on the first hole and, like every first time out the kids were hacking away. There was two foursomes behind us and I could see they were mildly perturbed at being behind a couple of beginners.
Now the dad had told the boys that they could hit the ball three times and then they should pick up and just drop the ball on the green. The kids had just hit their third shot when one of the group decided to run up in his cart and berate the boys for being so slow and causing a backup on the course. This was less than 10 minutes into the round. He spent at least three or four minutes giving the kids and the dad grief before I stepped in and said something along the line, 'The only thing that is slowing us down now is you. Go back to your tee box.' Like planned the kids picked up and moved on to the green. Putted a bit and then went to hole 2. I could tell they were a bit upset at the jerk that decided to be come a self appointed marsal on the course.
Before they teed off I pulled the boys aside. I pretty much said, 'That guy back there. Eff him. You have just as much right to be here as he does and what he said was unacceptable.' I also gave instructions on how to quicken up play and suggested to the dad that for this round, play a scramble format so all can hit but also they aren't hitting three or four times to make it up to his ball. It made it a game and they enjoyed that. By hole three the foursome behind us was at least a half a hole behind.
At three the course marshal rolled up and told us that we were slowing down play. At this point I was starting to get ticked off. He made the comment that the two holes ahead of us were wide open to which I replied, 'Yes and they were wide open when we teed off. We are exactly on our expected 2 hour nine time.' He nodded and didn't say anything else but I know that group behind complained to him. At hole nine were were probably 10 minutes behind schedule (no big deal to me) and again the Marshal rolls up and says something. I got really snappy with him at that point and pointed out to him that the group behind us is just now getting up to the tee and has had to wait on us for one hole. I also reminded him that I have played there for 15 years and have rarely ever gotten off that course in under four hours.
Whether the boys and dad had planned to play 9 or 18 I don't know for sure but I could tell they had enough and they called it a round after nine holes. It probably was best they did, this game can get overwhelming for new golfers and nine holes is about all a new teen probably could take. But I also know that they didn't get much support from anyone other than some middle aged dude that is one of the more impatient golfers you will normally find on the course.
I hate slow play. I mean I HATE it. It drives me crazy. At the same time I recognize that someone new is going to take a bit longer and that the goal is to both get through the round at a reasonable time AND to make it fun for the person playing. I encouraged them to keep playing, to get out and have fun. I pretty much told them that the first year should just be an opportunity to go and enjoy yourself, learn to hit the ball and get better. Don't take longer than 15 minutes on a hole. Time yourself and if you find you are getting to that time then move up, pick up or whatever but don't let idiots ruin the game for you. You can have fun and be respectful to others around you.
What a way to grow the game… That’s crazy
It's quite the thing. It's also amazing to see how many other people are sharing their experiences that have similar vibe to them.
I used to live in LA and used to play at a good public course that had the 1st tee directly in sight of the cashier/starter office, and close to the practice putting green. When somebody had trouble getting off the tee like swinging and barely moving the ball, the starter would announce over the loudspeaker to the player to pick up their ball and walk down the fairway to play their next shot. Pretty embarrassing to the player.
It sounded pretty mean, but this course was known for 5 1/2 to 6 hour rounds on the weekend so justified or not? It certainly didn't speed up the overall speed of play.
I’m one to avoid conflict if at all possible, but this sounds like one of those scenarios where I might lose my religion for a few minutes. 😅
"Full set of own clubs..." What?! I went a long time ago, as a kid, and my uncle only used a 9 iron and a putter on the par 3 course, me and my friend just used his clubs, of which he only had like 5 total with him, lol. Why do you need a set of your own clubs, especially on a par 3 course? Obviously if there are people standing behind waiting for you, and you're a beginner, just move on to the next hole... common sense... Dude must have been drunk.
Clearly something triggered him. And she was very mindful about pace of play and picking up. We'd spoken the week before and I knew she was nervous about holding anyone up so was definitely prepared to pick up and go forward if needed.
Essentially he just looked her over and decided she didn't qualify to be there by his measure.
Whats the corse name and state.
Keep up the great content!
Golf is for all skill levels, I am sure the owner of the golf course has been aware of the situation and the marshal has been talking too. Growing the game of golf and other sports is essential.
That same marshal is the guy that takes several practice swings then hits the ball 20 yards. Then when he putts he looks and studies all angles takes 4 or 5 practice swings then misses the putt anyway. Point is speed of play IS a problem. There’s no reason 9 holes should take 2 hours or 4 or more hours playing 18.
Not sure all the facts are true. They accepted her green fee in the club house and the ranger interacted with them on the first tee and basically chased them out of there. Seems like this person would probably be telling the staff inside about this being her first time and by accepting the green fee the deal was sealed.Rangers are at the bottom of the food chain at golf courses and the pro or the person responsible for the bottom line of the course makes the policy for all course decisions involving play. We jump to the conclusion that this happened because the golfer was a women but any junior golfer would also be turned away as well. Better chance these women encountered a miserable marshal than a public golf course that has an issue with women. Nothing about actual course policy giving by anyone other than a marshal. Hard to believe her money was accepted and she got chased out of there before her first swing. More info needed.
Think I picked this one up in a previous comment but just in case I missed it...
She was so embarrassed and completely in tears that she just wanted out of the situation and left.
My understanding is her partner did go in and ask for a refund.
Whether that was given doesn't' address the issue that she was treated as a problem for who she was not for how she was playing. She hadn't even started yet.
Spot on !!! We do not know the whole story and there are always two sides. How do we know that the marshal was not fired or admin action taken. For that matter, how do we know what the Marshal said exactly ? Sometimes words are taken out of context or the story is exaggerated. Everyone know how a story changes. Anyway no person should be treated this way and no marshal should be on such a power trip " if it really happened EXACTLY and the OP said"
Observation ... why did the 3 male players not intervene on the new golfer's behalf while she was being bullied by the course marshall? If all 3 were agreeable before the marshall arrived, what stopped them from speaking up?
I doubt this is so much about about golf per se and is probably more about one screwed up person (the marshall) and their need for power and control. I truly hope someone contacted the owners of the course and calmly explained what happened. I would hope after this that that person was never allowed to marshall again.
A Marshall on a par 3 course?
There were 4 men there who failed . 1 idiot marshall and 3 too wimpy to stand up for this lady !
You didn’t call it out though. Not naming or identifying the course prevents accountability, delays action, and avoids proper validation for this new golfer. This post only provided content for your page and nothing else. Cool story though.
If this lady was crying and humiliated by her treatment at this course, it makes no sense that she would not want the course identified and her treatment brought to the attention of management. If this lady is as genuinely nice as you stated, it is understandable that she might not want to be identified, but not want to provide any information to help prevent this from happening to others, makes the whole story suspect. I believe this story was woven together to call attention to a legitimate issue but should not have been presented as a factual event.
Thats why he’s a marshall , some people just love that job .
Had a marshall come up to our group and moan about an errant tee shot - which none of our group had made - he kept banging on and on until one of our group a lifelong member told him to get f…… the look on his face was priceless , no doubt he skuttled back and reported it but we didnt hear anything , i think he’s been a member for a couple of years . No old school golfer would do that they just cant get volunteers i suppose ..
I hope she didn’t quit, and I pray she holds that golf course and marshal accountable! I guarantee you he is not the norm and truly needs to be dealt with!
Made arrangements with friends to go for an actual round of 9. I had golfed before with work folks and enjoyed it. Already at the 4th hole, putting. Some dick in a course employee cart tells me, not the others, I must vacate due to T-box damage with unreplaced divots. I never left divots in a T-box as verified by my company. I explained a few on the fareway, but they were replaced. I knew the drill as I used to be a greens keeper years before. He insisted. I rebutted and demanded to see this in the course rules/constitution and refused to stop playing. His delaying us from play forced us to let two other teams play through which he said was not allowed. Again, show me I said. If I am forced to go, I wanted a full refund because nowhere was anything about this in the waiver. He harassed no one else. I took it to the board of directors. I got my money back, an apology from the board, two rounds at no charge anytime as compensation and his dismissal. It turns out, I was the only one with sneakers; flat-soled sneakers. This golf snob took a unilateral exception that cost him his job.
I have definitely run into course marshals on power trips before - some kinda weird human trait that some folks just yearn to be jerks every chance they get - if this happened to me I would talk everyone in the group into going to the clubhouse for a refund before hitting a single ball - just let the pro shop know that the marshal doesn’t want us there
Hi John. Thanks for adding to the conversation. Also for offering your thoughts on a healthy approach to the situation. New players especially are vulnerable to not knowing the norms and also what is ok so hearing from someone sharing what should be happening and positive way to deal with it when that doesn't happen is helpful to others.
This type of Marshall should be fired. I would think he would want to encourage players instead of driving them off. I wouldn’t go to this course. 👎👎👎
It's not about Marshals, very rarely see them at my locals. So many slow players, that seem to think that TV PGA golf pace is the norm. Honestly, there should be some public education videos on the main golf TV channels about pace of play and "Ready Golf".
How could she have experienced any pace of play when they booted her for even trying. It was a par 3, for goodness sake. I’m not a slow player, but I’ll take my time over a shot. I find that the people who actually whinge about slow play tend to saunter their way around the course, chat too much, and generally pfaff about, and complain when others don’t walk up and hit it. I’d sooner spend my time hastening to my next shot, than hurrying my actual shot. Also, “speed golf” is a very specific niche game, and not how the game was intended to be played.
While I agree with the sentiments expressed in the video, a par 3 course has a ranger and a policy that golfers must have a full bag of clubs?
Yep it's a thing at this particular course. I mentioned to someone above, not trying to be disparaging but it's basically the bottom of the heap in terms of golf courses in the area so it's out there for sure.
The whole story is so out there....which is why I understand why some people question it.
My story. My friend and I were walking with push carts. We got to a par 3 hole. Red tee is 125 yards. Green is 140. We hit and were around the green. Four old men come up in their carts and didn’t like seeing women or walkers. They hit into us. I was hiding behind my golf bag. They called the Marshall and said we were slow. We were the ones who got yelled at.
I've seen that happen a few times on a golf course to other guys if the group behind didn't think the golfers ahead were moving fast enough, usually ended up in fist fights, obviously you and your friend didn't have that option
Slow play is 1 thing but there are a couple things I cant stand out on the course... people slamming or throwing their clubs and our other equipment around screaming and yelling, abusing the hell out of the carts, and acting like they are way better than they really are and "having an off day". or the A$$HOLES that hit into you even when you are on time or early. lets face it, all of us suck or we would be getting PAID TO GOLF.
The Marshall needs to be fired and not allowed at that club again.
Sounds like this Marshal used to he part of the old guard boys' club in Hockey Canada, was ousted, then had to pick up a part time job at a little par 3 to make ends meet.
She would not have had that issue had i been there. Her mates should have stood up for her.
Hi Michael. Love that you would have stood up for her. She was paired up with a twosome she didn't know. I don't know if they were trying to help or not so can't speak to that. She did say they were super nice, welcoming and very supportive when she introduced herself and said this was her fist time on the "big" course. The person she came with also tried to intervene but she eventually was so embarrassed by the way the marshal was admonishing her for being there she just wanted to get out of there as quickly as she could.
This so called Marshal should be named and shamed
This is a bunch of crap! I played with a friend a few weeks ago that was his first time, we played 9 holes teeing off as the last group of the day. At hole 7 the marshal came and told us we were taking to long and the we needed to speed it up. He then parked his cart and watched us, telling us again to speed up. This totally ruined the last three hole, I told the marshal it was my friends first time, but he just blew it off and continued to make a big deal about our pace. Spoiled what was a great time until mister I want to go home interfered!
Don't know where this happened but if that happened in my area, the marshall would have been berated and lucky to leave alive.
Was this really a pitch and putt, par 27 course? I'm thrown off by the requirement for a full bag. If it is a par 27 course, do they expect players to carry a driver, fairway woods, long irons/hybrids, etc. with them? Did they tell the clubhouse what happened with the marshal? What did the clubhouse say? I hope they at least got a refund.
I forgot to add that the full bag requirement makes it sound like it wasn't a beginner level course. I play a 9 hole course that has one par 5, multiple par 4s, dog legs, out of bounds hazards, strong cross winds, etc. It's a real deal course where you need a full bag and be an experienced player. If this is the case, then I can see where the marshal was coming from.
@@alexli4942 More likely that the whole story is BS and madeup to generate "content". It is extremely one sided. They want us to believe that 4 men did this woman dirty - the alleged marshall who behaved in a way nobody would feel appropriate, a husband who apparently didn't put a stop in and two experienced golfers who didn't take her side? But this angel of a woman still doesn't want to name and shame? Sorry guys, this is BS.
I encountered 1 jerk marshall years ago when I was new to the game (i was with experienced golfers so they made sure I was following proper etiquette and not doing anything wrong.) The marshall just sniffed me out and decided to pick on me but luckily my buddies stood up for me. Yes the jerks are out there.
Here in New York we would have told the Marshall to turn his cart around and leave the premises ASAP and we would then proceed to let her hit first.
Sue the golf club for discrimination
Do you know if it is the golf course policy? More like the marshal is an ahole. Let's sue everybody.🤣😂
That Marshall should be relieved of their duties and most importantly taught that to grow golf, you need new players and all skill levels are welcome.
They also stole her money by accepting her green fee, then kicking her off the course. Marshall should be fired.
Moral of the story….dont tell the marshal it’s your first round ever….. if the club doesn’t allow first timers on their course they should have told the players when they were paying since I do believe the young lady declared that she was playing her first round of golf.
Too many unanswered questions here. First off the Marshall doesn’t run the course, thats the Head pro and in his absence the assistant pro unless they have a designated manager by some off chance. Most Marshalls are retirees just there to keep busy and for the perk of free golf that comes with it and in the end don’t carry that authority. Sorry I know plenty of them and even some head pros.
You just described golf in Germany
Someone didn't get hugged as a child and now has some major power-complex issues.
Maybe it should be addressed with the golf course instead of posting 50% of the information on the internet and making a click bait sexist title.
I see your point with this video, hoping to prevent this kind of extra at other courses. But you or her need to name the course. That's the only way this behavior is gonna change
Must be California, I’ve heard similar stories here!
The whole group should've went to the clubhouse & filed a complaint, the Marshall called to report in to hear his/her side, then action taken!
Sometimes people who are new are going to be vulnerable to not knowing the norms and also vulnerable because they are nervous and self conscious about being a beginner. It's really helpful for them to hear comments like yours so they know what to do in a proactive manner and also what isn't ok to experience. Thanks for this.
I admire new golfers getting out on the course it’s rough, and to have an asshole like this act they way he did he should be ban from all courses.
Seems there is more to the story with the starter.
This sounds fabricated. Does a par 3 course even have a marshal, let alone not welcome beginners? Or enforce a rule about not having a complete set of clubs, which isn't even a thing (since some people regularly play with a 1/2 bag).
My daughter is 26 years old and is just picking up the game. She will be going to the range to get in her learning time. Her clubs have been built and she will learn the way I did at 10 years of age. If this happens here in WV when I take her to the course to play, her Gen X Dad is going to go off. I will go to jail and the starter WILL apologize for their atrocities to my daughter before I go.
This guy apparently has issues with ladies. He and the course where it happened needs to be famous.
Hi Zane, I have a daughter who is similar age and is learning the game too. Hopefully you both get to share wonderful times on the golf course.
With respect to naming the course I just added some pinned comments speaking to that. Basics are the lady it happened to made me promise not to "out" the course. She is a very gentle and kind person and doesn't want a revenge style video. So we are focusing on the event and the conversation about how golf has this heritage of not being inclusive and welcoming and we need to stop doing that. The game is amazing in that I can play with my beginner daughter and have a wonderful time together. Not many sports bring that same option so lets encourage new players to come and enjoy....not chase them off.
@@FittedGolfperfectly understand your opinion. Understand what you are trying to do with the video. This has never happened to me, but I have seen it happen at courses and it infuriates me. I’m not crazy enough though hurt someone over my daughter not getting to play a round of golf, but the world we live in today would call them on you, just because you stood up for them. I got asked at one of our local courses to use a 3 wood instead of a persimmon driver which I bang 250 yards, because my driver broke on the first tee. The ranger wouldn’t let it go. So when I made the turn to 10 i stopped and talked to the owner. The ranger never bothered me again. Yes he still works there. Yes I still play there. Knee jerk reaction to your video.