Yes, Paula, after giving so many lectures about this case over the past 20 years I continually heard this from older people in my audiences who remember the 30s. I would love to know where the "rumors" started.....
Every year, at this time, i read about the ‘kidnapping.’ Even hard to find books, I’ve read. A practical joke gone wrong has been my primary suspicion. Sooo excited to run across ‘Suspect No. 1’ and will have finished your book in about 20 more pages. An excellent read. Far darker suspicion, tightly backed up. The dedication to Mrs. Hauptman is so kind. My heart breaks for Anne Lindbergh, her mother, Richard Hauptman and Charlie. This is an incredible book, and I will be looking into your others. One very pleasant aspect of this book is the lessened detail of the ransom back and forth. Thank you for your work, interest and attention to detail.
Just finished, it was an excellent read. I wonder if there are any pictures available from family archives of CHarles, Jr from the time he was "kidnapped"
Although hypoxia or inhalation of toxic fumes by a pregnant woman at 7 months into pregnancy might definitely cause poor outcome for the child, I’m wondering if the macrocephaly, increased chest circumference and bowed legs, AND what looks like frontal or parietal bossing and “square head” of the baby isn’t more likely genetic. It seems much of these characteristics would happen during the first trimester, or even at conception. If Charles was a eugenics follower, having an abnormal child might be abhorrent, especially for a very public figure. I’ve been a pediatric nurse for over 30 years. The photos of the toddler Charlie look very much like a child with a genetic syndrome of some kind, in my opinion.
I’m also more inclined to doubt that the square head syndrome was caused 7 months into the pregnancy. Lindy’s insistence that Ann fly pregnant, and his coldness for Charlie Jr., both indicate an inhumane callousness.
Lindbergh would have had trouble preaching eugenics if he himself had a disabled child. The child would have reflected Lindbergh as less than perfect. Also I believe that he realized as the child matured, the disabilities would have been more prominent and less deniable. If Dwight were alive at that time he either would have been exposed or he would have been outed as the culprit.
The first time I saw the photo of the tall ladder leaning against the house, I knew no way did anyone climb down that thing backwards carrying a baby of that size. Whoever carried the baby out of the house and handed it to someone outside.
I agree . We already know that the ladder imprints in the mud were too shallow , a grown man would have caused deeper marks . Then there is the thumb guatd found in the driveway --- and most certainly NOT at the back of the house . That boy was taken out the front and not down that ladder .
None of the policemen were able to replicate that scenario. The 2 pieces of the ladder were placed very low from the nursery window and off to the right side (supposedly to avoid Lindbergh sitting in his library below.) It was, IMHO a staged item for the purpose of misleading everyone.
There is no way that a skilled carpenter like Hauptmann would put together such a contraption as that "kidnap ladder". When asked on the witness stand by prosecutor Wilentz if he made the ladder, Hauptmann replied, "I AM A CARPENTER." He was saying that he wouldn't have made that shoddy piece of amateur carpentry.
As a pilot that flies old aircraft I have a couple comments - If his Bar-o-graph was not operational he may have not known of his altitude exactly. You are not allowed to fly at 15,000 feet without oxygen. His wife may well have been passed out in the back seat during the stop for fuel from apoxia and the child damaged... It is difficult to fly over the Rockies at less than 15,000 - great job ladies......
Thanks very much, Alex. I have a small airport near me and I went over to ask about this. They often fly open cockpit planes (I'm not doing that anymore myself) and I wanted to know about the fumes because when they landed at Wichita for refueling, Anne did not get out of her seat while the fuel was being pumped alongside her. The pilot I spoke with over there said he didn't think the fumes could have harmed her. What do you think?
@@watchgoose Yes, I understand about the refuel issue you mentioned but Anne did say (I think in her diary) that she got sick from fumes. Perhaps there was a leak within the plane?
@@missleeny5042 That is a great question! I never thought of it. Anne was 7 months pregnant and very ill when they landed so all attention has been focused on her. I suppose a 6''2" guy may be less vulnerable? I have no idea. Many years later, Lindbergh volunteered at the Mayo Clinic (or, somewhere) as a guinea pig under high altitude conditions.
I previously watched two documentaries, one on Lingbergh's extra families and another about the trial. It was stated that his wife and child stayed an extra day and Lindbergh came home unexpectedly because he 'forgot' a meeting with some one.Given the type of man he is shown to be I cannot believe he 'forgot' anything.
I think he deliberately "forgot" about his meeting in order to create an alibi of sorts. "How could I have planned this for tonight? I wasn't even supposed to be home."
I came here by way of a social media account that opined that Anne Lindbergh’s books were horrible. I tried to read one, it WAS. It reads like one of these women who stays with an abuser & is trying to justify it. I couldn’t finish it. I think AL was “off” somehow herself. I have read some on Lindbergh, I always thought he bashed the baby himself because apparently he was an absolute narcissistic bastard. He would not have considered the humanity of the child because in his mind it was an aberration & was not human. I thought he had been angry & hit the child & killed it, then had to cover it up. It’s April 2023, we are being told history is not what we have been fed through the news media. This is another truth that should come out. I enjoyed the video & the information presented here. Thanks.
I also tried to read her diaries I couldn't understand them. I have heard it was either Lindbergh or Anne's sister that he dated first! AL's family had their share of problems, her brother was bipolar and had other mental issues as well! Patricia Gambino Harrington
"...we are being told history is not what we have been fed through the news media. This is another truth that should come out." You make a valid point about news media coverage. They are just stenographers for corporate interests. (See my book recommendations to Shakespearelover.) The only way to stay sane these days is to question everything the media presents as fact. Anne's books are unbearable to read. I only scour some of them as her entries might relate to the crime. I believe the entire kidnap hoax was setup by her psychopathic husband, partly to fool her.
Just my opinion but I think that Lindbergh murdered his child because he had medical conditions that were not acceptable to a person like himself a rather wicked one at that.
Yes, Julie. Rickets is definitely NOT a condition that millionaire babies might suffer from - unless there is another, more serious ailment or medicine that caused rickets to appear.
I have read the book. It was eye-opening!! I got a thorough education about Charles Lindbergh. I had no idea that he was capable of such behavior. The press labeled him as a hero and all my history classes assented. There are many dark secrets in our world. It would likely depress most people to be privy to the real truth.
"There are many dark secrets. It would likely depress most people to be privy to the real truth." But don't you also agree that the exposure of "dark secrets" is the only way towards true democracy, and a peaceful world? We cannot fix what we don't know is broken. For a better understanding of what your history teachers left out, I would recommend: Lies My Teacher Told Me by James Loewen; Howard Zinn's The People's History of the United States; and the Oliver Stone/Peter Kuznick (book & film) The Untold History of the United States. It is not the fault of your history teachers - they would have been demonized and fired if they presented American history as it should be told.
Just finished the book today. Very well done, and extremely well-researched. I appreciate and am persuaded by this perspective. I have read other works on Lindbergh and he was clearly a bizarre and controlling man with a serious mean streak. Emotionally shut down and devious. I am tired of the rich and powerful getting allowed to play by different rules, breaking laws and then presenting themselves as saints incarnate via clever PR and an enabling press. PuhLEEEZ….Though it may never be confirmed that Lindgergh was involved in the death of his own child, the other injustice is that his case was seriously bungled. How he was in a position to dictate how his son's death was investigated is example of his serious privilege. His exalted status allowed the star struck investigators to shrink and be directed at his will forgoing their own professional responsibilities to serve and protect. No justice for little Charles. I don’t want to diminish his amazing accomplishment and bravery in his historic flight, but we must always remember that our heroes are first human beings. I believe we all have a dark side as well as light. However, his dark side was enabled by his family and the world. The recent revelations that he lived a double life and secretly fathered seven other children from 3 other German woman is only confirmation about his sinister and dark personality. Like all of us he was a serious flawed human being.
"No justice for little Charles." And, let's not forget there was probably no justice either for all the people of New Jersey and New York whose law enforcement needs went ignored because of this case. And, how many citizens' lives were seriously disrupted or, damaged, by this expensive investigation that ran on and on for years? Thanks, Travis, for your comments.
Travis thank you for your very intelligent post, you made some very good points! Patricia Gambino Harrington(sorry about the two names, but I post on hubby's acct)
Does anyone know if any American mainstream media outlet has covered Lindbergh's "other family" in Germany. I just came across the info by accident and was shocked at what I read. I had already had suspicions that the whole story was a hoax and there was a much darker one underneath.
I cant finish watching this. The person interviewing these two women is horrible. She interrupts them every five minutes. She has no idea how to conduct an interview
I find it interesting that Lindbergh was able to walk outside on a dark rainy night and find the ladder in the woods. Also, BRH was a carpenter and I don’t think he would have built a ladder of such a weak nature.
Maybe the "baby" not wanting to stand for the " big male doctor" was because the babies father would knock him down with a pillow every time he would try to stand and walk so being in the presence of another big male figure might have made his brain decide it isn't worth it to try.
I don't think that Lindbergh's ego would allow any baby that wasn't perfect to survive, hence very few pictures exist, and he went out of his way to separate mother and child by taking her on trips ect. He didn't want her to become too attached to the baby, because he knew the baby wasn't going to be around very long as he had plans to remove the baby from their lives. He believed in eugenics and was apparently disgusted by the baby's presence in the house, another reason he made excuses for them to travel constantly.
I wonder if anything happened to any of his other children overseas. He used a different name with each woman. Were any of those children less than perfect?
When the baby was kidnapped, the family published a very detailed diet that they hoped the kidnappers would follow. Such a detailed diet might indicate that Charlie had rickets, a condition associated with malnutrition . A son of Marie Antoinette had rickets so even children from privileged backgrounds suffered from rickets.
These type of stories need more coverage. Just like the Franklin Files Scandal , its been to easy to make it all about someone else, to protect the rich and powerful.
Rich and powerful - yes. No one was going to ask Lindbergh to be interrogated as a suspect - as he should have been. The rich and powerful often have the scariest crackpot ideas which they get away with by defaming us as conspiracy theorists!
I read a book many years ago,which cast serious doubts about Charles Limbergh's character. The book implied the kidnapping was a cover for a ruse gone bad.
Implies, but fails to connect any of the evidence. If you're going to write about the case, explain everything. None ever have, except the book A Fleeting Glimpse Into The Lindbergh Kidnapping written by a true Lindberghologist, not some one trying to make a buck.
@@theincorruptedeye8226 What's a Fleeting Glimpse? Never heard of it. And what's wrong with someone making a buck? NO one gets rich from books. What are you talking about?
I don’t think it was a ruse or practical joke. I believe Lindbergh was planning on admitting Charlie jr. to an institution which was unfortunately a common reaction to disability at that time. Something went wrong and the plan was foiled or maybe the child did make it to a facility and was admitted under a false name. As for the corpse I can’t explain that other than maybe it wasn’t Charlie or they robbed the grave of a newly deceased infant.
Do you think if Anne Morrow’s father were alive at the time of the kidnapping would he have suggested Lindbergh was the culprit? He was an influential and well connected man and didn’t admire Lindbergh.
Great question! Many people wonder about this. There are loads of theories regarding Morrow's untimely death in relation to the crime but Lindbergh could not have commandeered the investigation the way he did if Dwight had been alive.
I have always been a proponent of Hauptmann’s guilt based on the wood, handwriting, possession of ransom money, & employment records, but there is one niggling issue that one cannot get around, which is the question of HOW COULD HAUPTMANN POSSIBLY KNOW THAT THE LINDBERGHS WOULD BE STAYING AT THE HOPEWELL HOME AN EXTRA DAY WITHOUT INSIDE HELP? As far as I know, this issue was never brought up during the trial!
And he seemed to know the time to go "kidnap" the baby between 8 and 10 pm when all of the family would still be awake. It would make more sense if it was done at 3 am
I thought the conversation went astray when it became obsessed with that piece of equipment that was broken. Ok, we get it, move on, someone else was speaking, could we return to that?
Yes, I agree with you. However! The conversation is just chock-full of information that is astounding and frightening and it’s just like listening in on a conversation - you’re just overhearing people who have done the research and have put in the hours and they’re stating many facts and they tell you when something is speculation. The Young lady always has something interesting to point out and so she’s a very good addition to the conversation. Believe me, I won’t forget the barograph !! Ever!! So really, no harm is done and even though it can be irritating with the starts and stops especially from the young lady, this is fascinating and I’m just halfway through. I know I can listen to this two or three more times. And I can’t wait to read Lise Pearlman’s book.
That was my only criticism : Jamie is so bright and pretty but i dont think shes at ease on camera and it was hard to listen to her freeze up , "um " , constantly . That and the lack of sound continuity ; i could never hear Ronelle but Lise was super amplified . Crazy distracting , constantly grabbing the remote for 2 hrs to adjust , very irritating . These are not huge issues though . The content , intelligence and personalities of the speakers are great .
I'm beginning to think the Lindbergs knew their baby was going to have problems so they tried numerous times to make her miscarry. What sane person would continue to take those risks while pregnant?? And since the flights didn't work boom "kidnapping" happens...
Agreed. What is wrong with Ann to go along with all of this craziness of flying 7 months pregnant and all of the dangerous pranks and stupid dictatorial rules laid out by her husband regarding childcare. What 7-month pregnant woman doesn't have to get out of the plane to use the bathroom during refueling stops and otherwise frequently?
If he could get out of his crib , he probably could stand and walk. The thumb guards, the safety pins and the sun lamps were commonly used with children at the time. Lindbergh might have been blamed Anne for any genetic problems because Elizabeth had a heart problem and Anne's brother had mental health issues , Lindbergh would not have blamed his side of the family for any health problems.
2 people that knew that was her love child from another man. Bet she got pregnant at aviation school in San Diego. Notice how ANY humiliation ti him he wipes clean of it finding it’s way in history? There’s nothing about her going to aviation school. There’s something a lot more sinister going on. He’s darker than you think. He wanted ti haunt her & humiliate that child even in death that having its hands, leg & genitalia gone wasn’t enough terror & humiliation? That’s why he took her on those flights & as soon as her dad died-he pounced. And he had to be a complete moron if he could not see the black in her or her mom which deep down is a white supremacists thing. That baby’s Afro was showing-it was time.
The maid committed suicide. I think that points to feeling guilty. I’m not saying she did it. But I think she had a hand in it. I don’t think the child was taken out the window. No muddy foot prints in the room. The child was walked down the back stairs and out handed to somebody. So it was an inside job. Did Lindbergh want an imperfect child gone? Possible and a stranger kidnapping also possible. Which is more likely? Why would a kidnapper kill a child almost immediately?
A bad case of rickets could explain a lot of things that may have been wrong with the baby. Known signs are a jutting breastbone (his chest circumference was noted to be large at this final dr's appointment), an abnormally large fontanelle (could explain why his still hadn't closed), skull abnormalities (his head was noted to be "square"), prominent forehead (noted as well), and skeletal deformities (the toes?).
@@anthonytroisi6682 Rickets was still a thing until Vitamin D fortified foods were developed. The original "Crime of the Century" child victim, Bobby Franks who was killed in 1924 and from a very wealthy family suffered from rickets.
I always thought the blanket pinned to the sheet was so the baby wouldn't kick off his blanket and be cold. He was an active toddler! I think Lindbergh was a very controlling person, but not very perceptive when it came to other people.
I’m a professional nanny with a BA degree in child development &!ive worked as a private nanny for the upper class since 1990. It wasn’t unusual in the early 20th century to pin a young child’s blanket to the sheets to keep them from kicking the blankets off or getting entangled in them. It was standard practice well until the 1950’s & continued in some circles into the mid 1960’s. I don’t see anything sinister in the blanket being pinned to the sheets. That said, I do think there was something wrong with little Charlie. Photos of him standing in a jumper show his legs are splayed & smaller in proportion to his upper body. The fontanelle not being closed at 20 months is also a red flag. I also suspect Lindbergh had something to do with the disappearance. His behavior that night is highly suspicious. I believe he wanted to institutionalize the boy & planned to cover it up by claiming little Charlie had been kidnapped. Instead the child was accidentally killed & Lindbergh had to go all in with the kidnap & ransom story to hide the death.
@@learobinson4450 Yes, your theory about committing the child is a very popular one. And they built their home within a few miles of the biggest epileptic village on the east coast of the country. I visited the ghastly place years ago - NJ has torn it down but Stephen King could have used it for a horror film! Regarding the pinned blanket, I don't think pinning the child around his neck would be what you were referring to. To prevent a tangled blanket no parent would pin down the baby's neck and shoulder area.
Bone malformation can have several genetic reasons. Osteogenesis Imperfecta has 7 degrees of severity. The most severe version is known as brittle bone disease. Other malformation that could account for a large head, short long bones, and a barrel chest is SED and other collagen related bone disorders. These are typically missense mutations. A flight while heavily pregnant or breathing fumes while pregnant would not cause the malformations cited here.
God help me. I’ve NEVER heard ANYONE say “umm” SO MANY TIMES ! So unintelligent ! Umm umm umm ummm ummmm ummm ummm ummm ummm It’s torture waiting for her to make her point ! 😩😩😩😩
@The Lindbergh Kidnapping Hoax , I am rereading Lise’s and Jamie’s book. Especially the parts I had previously shied away from and skimmed over before. Regarding Alexis Carrel. I am so horrified. Alexis Carrel was a sadistic and deviant physician. . With absolutely no moral code. I think it speaks volumes that THIS sadistic and completely amoral researcher, was Charles Lindbergh own personal hero.
I used to baby sit a kid who I had to pin into bed per parent instruction because he would get up at night and wander around while everyone slept. This was in the early seventies. And a 2 year old in a crib isn't all that unusual I don't think. This lady here makes a big deal out of too much.
Sorry, but a 2 yr. old in a crib Is unusual. By that age they are able to climb out, fall & suffer head injuries, ect...some babies start trying to climb out at 18-19 mos. As far as the child you watched, at that time, some physicians did prescribe parents to "pin" their child in bed to keep them from injuring themselves, nowday's, No. That can be just as dangerous.
@@ellenkelley6173 to be accurate, Little Charlie was 20 months old. According to the Lindbergh's pediatrician, Little Charlie had a case of rickets and had trouble walking without wobbling. In addition to those facts, Lindbergh was clearly very controlling and had his staff pin the child to his bed sheets every night most likely to inhibit any possibility of him climbing out of his bed,. Lindbergh even had metal thumb guards attached to little Charlies thumbs every night while sleeping in his crib. I saw a picture of those thumb guards and they looked horrific and even painful,
Did the parents have you pin their child down at his neck? Charley was pinned down at his neckline - above his shoulders. This suggests something other than sleep-walking.
Charles and Anne spent lots of time flying all over the place, at high altitudes without oxygen during her pregnancy. I believe the child suffered intrauterine hypoxia, and was born with cerebral palsy--he had developmental--mental and physical--deficits. Selfish parents. BTW rickets is a Vit D deficiency.
Thanks for the idea. I don't know much about cerebral palsy but google says it may be caused by a lack of oxygen so you have a good point. There are probably many maladies that would not be obvious from the few photos available. The most trustworthy information we have is Dr Van Ingen's statement about the large square head, rickety condition, and unclosed fontinel. So it's anybody's educated guess.
…. However, as Ronelle knows, told in one of her other videos, if the child suffered from oxygen deprivation because of that cross country airplane flight by the mother, the baby might have been epileptic and one medication for epilepsy was phenobarbital. And Ronelle or one of her guest stated that Rickets is a side effect of phenobarbital. So vitamin D deficiency did not cause the rickets but instead the rickets was a side effect of the phenobarbital, if the child had epilepsy. Thank goodness that Ronelle and her guests are interested in this case because I don’t think that piece of information regarding epilepsy would ever have been associated with the Lindbergh baby and the surprising condition of rickets in a child of wealthy parents. Brilliant, Ronelle!
There are a couple of men who believe themselves to be Charles Jr., but only DNA testing will help now. Charles Sr. was not even close to the image he encouraged in the press. I was a celebrity psychopath. He had fun throwing coach pillos at his son to knock him down while the child ran around their living room when he was done playing with mommy. Loving fathers don't do that. Which is the key to this. Sr. was not even close to being an adult much less a loving father. The "pranks" he pulled were the types a 12 year old would think of . But, Lindberg had the knowledge to make them happen. tampering with the throttle of a plane to embarass a friend who also flew.
I've read dozens of books on the topic. When I first picked up Pearlman's book I was skeptical. However, she connects the dots no one else has and released detailed information (evidence found at the site the body was dumped) that paint an irrefutable picture. The only thing I would add is the $50k ransom was either paid as a payoff or opportunists seized an opportunity to exhort the money.
I have not read the book but I am intreagued. Well done! to authors and researchers. apart from the sad facts, these incidents are often a way in to our history.
No. He just had children from 3 other women. To have a "family" he needed to be there on a weekly, monthly, maybe even daily, basis. The dude never spent time with any of the women or with their children. The dude was, basically, a "visitor" who made babies. Only good part is that he was filthy rich and paid some of their bills.
Hi . Im so happy i found your channel . I love all that im learning and am so excited that i just ordered the book . Has any one considered that the baby might have suffered from dwarfism ? Accts for the big head , bowed legs and the fact that he seemed intellectually unimpaired . I am gonna read up and who knows ? If anything comes of it pls credit R. Lee , Newburgh NY since im pretty proud of my potential brainstorm . Love what ALL of you are doing ; youre the best !!!
Not only dwarfism but I've even considered the opposite where a child grows too large. (I don't remember what that's called) The biggest problem on these issues of the boy's health is that we have no medical records, we have no pictures (Lindbergh forbade photography!) and, we have no whistle blowers - not then and not now. There's probably no one alive today who actually saw little Charlie - dead or alive. Lindbergh's oher children did not even know of his existence until they were adults.
@@LindberghKidnapping I find it hard to believe that his other kids didn't know about the baby given the fact that it was so much of a crazy debacle of the trial ect. I mean, I heard of it, and soooo many years have passed since the baby died. It was the trial of the century, and someone at school would have mentioned it to the other kids, right ?
What did Charlie have over his wife so that she stayed with him. Was she scared of him or just was she a wife who followed the old ways of women stayed in their place and let their men do their business without being intrusive .. i really want to read this book it sounds very interesting.. i was thinking that the son was not very verbal or showing much activity kind of listless . But now i hear that the child was like other kids and was active trying to get into things and trying to mirror actions of other kids and the parents had to pin him in the bed to keep him from trying to climb out.. thats what books tended to led you to believe.. i was very mislead..
I have a few questions actually ( besides the one below). Why did Lindbergh turn to the mob? Did he have connections to the mob prior to the kidnapping? I mean, seriously, how does one "turn to the mob?" If I had to find a mob member to help me get or do something I don't know the first thing about contacting an actual mob member. I would suspect contacting a fake mob member would be pretty easy. Just look at all the people that want to hire a hit man or mob member to kill a family member only to learn that they were talking to the police the whole time. Given my stated presumption, this leads me to think Lindbergh already had a connection to the mob. Why? How? Did anyone ever compare the note to the handwriting of anyone involved? Say Lindbergh himself? The doctor? The accused? Somewhere during listening to all the interviews it was said that the babies night wear was pinned to the mattress and the baby would have had to have been slipped out of them when they took him however when the baby was found he was found in his night wear. Hum, did they rummage through his clothes drawer prior to leaving? If Lindbergh didn't look at the note, how did he know it was a kidnapping note?
He knew people who knew people . Breckinridge , for instance , probably knew all kinds of people , shady and otherwise ; he was in on this in some capacity .
Through Breckinridge he got the mobsters and then latched on to Dr. Condon when the professor showed up later with a ransom note sent to him by mail in the Bronx that contained the correct symbols. The blanket was pinned to the mattress (it looks like there was no sheet on the mattress in the photos) and the thumb guards were tied to his hands. Miss LeeNY is correct - "bedclothes" seems to be a word used for blankets and sheets etc.
I have a quick question regarding Lindy's extramarital bastard offspring: have they been identified as possessing his DNA, and of them, were any born with deformities or genetic disease/abnormalities - the like(s) of which Charlie was supposed to have presented? Perhaps Lindy saw that HIS genes were 'perfect' as displayed by his other 'normal' children, more proof that Anne was the weaker genetic provider, that gave him something he would never allow to bear his name.
Excellent ? I’ve not head but if I had to guess I really don’t think there was anything really wrong with the child what I think was wrong was when the baby first came out & he saw how dark he was. Her family was from Cleveland. I can see the black in her & her mom & I can see it in the baby. What baby you know that has an estate & a tanning salon over his crib & still be white?!? He could see that black coming out. He deprived her & that child of Vit D which is a typical trick of white supremacists who usually derp down like dark girls but don’t want them to be “too tan”. That baby had an Afro and/or that baby wasn’t his. He didn’t spare his child for a greater good. He was a sadistic psychopath. He just left his child in a ditch w/ in eye shot of his home with his hands missing, one leg & his genitalia having been attacked by animals and a hole in his head?! He HATED that this child existed & he wanted to make his existence humiliating to its mother & even in death he denied him his dignity. Pure, evil, Neo nazi psychopath.
They definitely have his DNA - proven with one of his grandchildren's DNA. However, their health conditions are obviously private. The eldest, son passed away a few years ago, from cancer.
OMG..you three women need to get your information written down prior to doing a video like this. All 3 stutter so much, abd can't remember anything and are constantly interupting each other. And the lady inbthe white hair, someone needs to tell her that she doesnt need to yell. She isnt talking into a phone😂
I think there is so much truth in the book . Their was another theory as well. That Ann"s older Sisster Elizabeth who lindy was In love with but ditched her because of her illness he did not think she could bare healthy children. So he married Ann , and Elizabeth father liked Lindy but didi not want him for a son in law. The theory was that Elizabeth in a jealous rage over her sister Ann marriage to Lindy then the birth of the baby boy was very jealous and she killed the baby they covered it up. It was said that the staff was warned to watch Elizabeth around the baby not to leave her alone with the child It was believe that the reason the nurse killed herself was because she left the baby unattended with Elizabeth and The reason they didi not go back to her parents and he didi not show up for meeting he was scheduled to speak at because he was called home being told Ann killed the baby. So he came home to cover up the fact that Elizabeth killed the baby Ann was not aware that Elizabeth killed the baby he wanted to keep the peace with in the family so he covered ot all up
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Well, it was "the crime of the century" and everyone tried to get in on the act. When that happens, too many "facts" arise and everyone goes crazy. Join the "club."
… no, there are not different facts. What Lise Pearlman did with her book is she took the facts and she put them in the right sequence. Pearlman ignored the red herrings which include the ladder and the ransom notes. Then she added additional information which people really didn’t know about before the 1980s (including Lindbergh’s friendship with Dr. Carrel) and she put together a complete picture and narrative about not just what possibly happened but what probably happened. Charles Lindbergh put up a smokescreen and literally took over the investigation and diverted the police, public and newspapers’ attention to where he wanted them to look. I read the Pearlman book and it is excellent.
In victorian times people restrained babies in cribs by lacing and tying them to their beds. So it’s not a huge leap to think that some people did the same thing by using the invention of safety pins for the same purpose.
Yes, they did traditionally swaddle their children long ago. But no one "swaddled" a baby's neck. That is the location of the Lindbergh safety pins - around Charlie's neck. His fingers are entrapped so he cannot suck them. (Pure torture for any baby or toddler in any century.) People swaddled the entire body not just one portion. The neck area points, I would think, to prevention of convulsions. No?
@ he was too old to swaddle. I heard from my grandmother that some people would put a baby blanket over their children and pin it at the shoulders, down the sides and at the bottom to keep them in place.
Phenobarbital also has been found to lower IQ in children also by the end of the 20th century. Just because someone has epilepsy does not make them hydrocephalic at all those are totally different medical conditions and one does not automatically include the other and that you can have either condition without particularly or automatically having both together.
He didn’t kill his son. He killed HER son & that’s why that baby was cremated. That wasn’t his kid. You can’t feel that absolute void of emotional respect for something that’s a part of you. Not possible. Hitler wound of buried his kid. How bad is THAT?
I think I see what you're saying but if he blamed Anne for his "defective" child, why would he go on having so many more with her. He wanted 12 children and she told him to have the rest with someone else. So he did. I wish we knew more about the 7 others but their story has been stonewalled.
Whomever the lady with the carpet behind her doesn't seem to know what the heck she's talking about. 20 minutes in; unlistenable. Too bad she keeps interrupting.
Instead of denigrating me as "lady with carpet" and "unlistenable" you could, at least, if you had a shred of knowledge on this case, have posted a constructive comment on WHY I "don't know what I am talking about." Your comment is not "worth" anything "good" so your name is all backwards. (How does that feel?)
@@lisamckennon3025 …. I think Ronelle has done a wonderful job of doing these videos. And when I watched the first video, I was irritated by how she conducted it, but then I realized this is really a conversation among persons who know the subject matter of Lindbergh and the tragedy of the kidnapping and murder. So I accepted on that basis and am thankful for the new way that people are looking at the tragic event. No, Ronelle is not an experienced interviewer but I have my criticism of Charlie Rose and Dick Cavett; and Oprah Winfrey was awful. I think the best interviewer ever was Phil Donahue. If you have the patience and you just sit back and listen to the back-and-forth there’s information that comes out that just floors you. And her guest is Lisa Perlman who has written the recent book “suspect number one.” It is amazing and and frightening. Ronelle has been following the Lindbergh case since 1993 and her videos are gold mines. She has even flown in an open air cockpit airplane! So I think the criticism about her interviewing skills is not important considering the subject matter (the kidnapping and death a toddler) and the execution of an innocent man, Hauptman. And the fact that Lindbergh may have been involved and planned it. The least of your worries here should be the interviewer’s skill. And yes, you have to have a little bit of background in order to follow the chain of events and the people involved. But even so, what Charles Lindbergh did or might have done is something that should be examined with new eyes and minds and told to the American public. Hauptman was innocent of the kidnapping and murder.
She knew what he did & she stayed & a part of her blamed herself. Notice how their life was chronicled-the only thing that is wiped out of their time line is her going to aviation school. They were married in May of ‘29-she woulda had to get pregnant round 10/22 to deliver June 22….?? She was in San Diego & I bet she had an affair & that wasn’t his kid. His moms fam are doctors-they put it together. That’s why he took her on that flight at 7 mos but then when her dad died his plan went into motion. He was intimidated by him bc he was a well respected, good man. Bet he knew her dad knew the truth. That kid wasn’t his not that I couldn’t see him kill or even kill a part of himself but he didn’t loathe himself enough to leave his biological son like that. He hated HER & wanted to terrorizer every time she had to pass it which was what 2x a day? He was a Jersey Hitler.
he had to have stopped to refuel and pee can't fly 33 hours without peeing, they said he couldn't stand so how could he crawl out of the bed and go to the bathroom
He urinated into a bottle. Evidently, the King of England asked Lindbergh that very question as well. Lindbergh came within a few feet of falling into the ocean, as the barograph recorded. So, he had obviously fallen asleep.
Looking at the so called kidnapping letter i have a feeling that it is written with the non dominant hand ie if you are left handed it has been written with the right and vice versa. Secondly it looks to me like a German has been implicated by the insertion of a few words we all know how zee s is done!! The problem the writers or writer of the note had was when it came the signature he wanted to validate it how to do it.? My thought is that he said to himself how does the post office validate a letter. Oh yes, i will design a franking machine myself two coins dipped in the ink and a red blob and two or so dashes. Who worked for some time delivering by air post and knew the value of this official stamp both in monetary terms and in official validation?
17 mons that Afro was showing! You can easily see the black in that beautiful baby. She was black & he made her stay light which denies the baby & she had to get pregnant late October so the first 5 months is winter….Vit D deficiencies are common in June/July babies especially from the 50/60’s so definitely in the ‘30’s!
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My mother told me that at the time they all believed there was something wrong with the child and they suspected the Lindbergh’s themselves did this
Yes, Paula, after giving so many lectures about this case over the past 20 years I continually heard this from older people in my audiences who remember the 30s. I would love to know where the "rumors" started.....
Yes. I have met so many people - (on my book review lecture tours) - who repeat your exact comment. I would love to know the origin of it.
My grandmother said the same years ago.
Well she was dumb because the big nose mafia called the purple gang kidnapped the baby
Every year, at this time, i read about the ‘kidnapping.’ Even hard to find books, I’ve read. A practical joke gone wrong has been my primary suspicion. Sooo excited to run across ‘Suspect No. 1’ and will have finished your book in about 20 more pages. An excellent read. Far darker suspicion, tightly backed up. The dedication to Mrs. Hauptman is so kind. My heart breaks for Anne Lindbergh, her mother, Richard Hauptman and Charlie. This is an incredible book, and I will be looking into your others. One very pleasant aspect of this book is the lessened detail of the ransom back and forth. Thank you for your work, interest and attention to detail.
Just finished, it was an excellent read. I wonder if there are any pictures available from family archives of CHarles, Jr from the time he was "kidnapped"
Although hypoxia or inhalation of toxic fumes by a pregnant woman at 7 months into pregnancy might definitely cause poor outcome for the child, I’m wondering if the macrocephaly, increased chest circumference and bowed legs, AND what looks like frontal or parietal bossing and “square head” of the baby isn’t more likely genetic. It seems much of these characteristics would happen during the first trimester, or even at conception.
If Charles was a eugenics follower, having an abnormal child might be abhorrent, especially for a very public figure.
I’ve been a pediatric nurse for over 30 years. The photos of the toddler Charlie look very much like a child with a genetic syndrome of some kind, in my opinion.
Yes, that is also very possible. Charlie might very well have been afflicted with an inherited bone deformity of some kind.
They only show pics of him much younger
Acromegaly is a hereditary condition which produces exactly those effects. Professional Wrestler Andre the Giant had this condition.
I’m also more inclined to doubt that the square head syndrome was caused 7 months into the pregnancy.
Lindy’s insistence that Ann fly pregnant, and his coldness for Charlie Jr., both indicate an inhumane callousness.
Lindbergh would have had trouble preaching eugenics if he himself had a disabled child. The child would have reflected Lindbergh as less than perfect. Also I believe that he realized as the child matured, the disabilities would have been more prominent and less deniable. If Dwight were alive at that time he either would have been exposed or he would have been outed as the culprit.
“I never in my whole life heard him [Charles Lindbergh] talk about that child [Charlie Jr.].”
- daughter Reeve Lindbergh
Very telling....
@@henryottis295 maybe. there was an infant death in my extended family that no one speaks about it may have been how he coped
The first time I saw the photo of the tall ladder leaning against the house, I knew no way did anyone climb down that thing backwards carrying a baby of that size. Whoever carried the baby out of the house and handed it to someone outside.
I agree . We already know that the ladder imprints in the mud were too shallow , a grown man would have caused deeper marks . Then there is the thumb guatd found in the driveway --- and most certainly NOT at the back of the house . That boy was taken out the front and not down that ladder .
None of the policemen were able to replicate that scenario. The 2 pieces of the ladder were placed very low from the nursery window and off to the right side (supposedly to avoid Lindbergh sitting in his library below.) It was, IMHO a staged item for the purpose of misleading everyone.
The ladder destroys the notion that it was a prank gone wrong. The death was premeditated. How soulless!
There is no way that a skilled carpenter like Hauptmann would put together such a contraption as that "kidnap ladder". When asked on the witness stand by prosecutor Wilentz if he made the ladder, Hauptmann replied, "I AM A CARPENTER."
He was saying that he wouldn't have made that shoddy piece of amateur carpentry.
Not open cockpit, but an unpressurized aircraft. Not good for pregnant ladies.
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As a pilot that flies old aircraft I have a couple comments - If his Bar-o-graph was not operational he may have not known of his altitude exactly. You are not allowed to fly at 15,000 feet without oxygen. His wife may well have been passed out in the back seat during the stop for fuel from apoxia and the child damaged... It is difficult to fly over the Rockies at less than 15,000 - great job ladies......
Thanks very much, Alex. I have a small airport near me and I went over to ask about this. They often fly open cockpit planes (I'm not doing that anymore myself) and I wanted to know about the fumes because when they landed at Wichita for refueling, Anne did not get out of her seat while the fuel was being pumped alongside her. The pilot I spoke with over there said he didn't think the fumes could have harmed her. What do you think?
@@LindberghKidnapping silliness. I fueled fixed-wing and rotor-wing aircraft for YEARS and had no issues with fumes.
But why wasnt lindbergh passed out from hypoxia ??
@@watchgoose Yes, I understand about the refuel issue you mentioned but Anne did say (I think in her diary) that she got sick from fumes. Perhaps there was a leak within the plane?
@@missleeny5042 That is a great question! I never thought of it. Anne was 7 months pregnant and very ill when they landed so all attention has been focused on her. I suppose a 6''2" guy may be less vulnerable? I have no idea. Many years later, Lindbergh volunteered at the Mayo Clinic (or, somewhere) as a guinea pig under high altitude conditions.
I previously watched two documentaries, one on Lingbergh's extra families and another about the trial.
It was stated that his wife and child stayed an extra day and Lindbergh came home unexpectedly because he 'forgot' a meeting with some one.Given the type of man he is shown to be I cannot believe he 'forgot' anything.
Exactly. It is another mystery. Why did he come home that night when he was expected at a well-publicized Waldorf Astoria celebration for NYU?
The "meeting with someone" that Lindbergh "forgot" was a gala event and dinner at the Waldorf Astoria for 1600 NYU alumni.
I think he deliberately "forgot" about his meeting in order to create an alibi of sorts. "How could I have planned this for tonight? I wasn't even supposed to be home."
I came here by way of a social media account that opined that Anne Lindbergh’s books were horrible. I tried to read one, it WAS. It reads like one of these women who stays with an abuser & is trying to justify it. I couldn’t finish it. I think AL was “off” somehow herself. I have read some on Lindbergh, I always thought he bashed the baby himself because apparently he was an absolute narcissistic bastard. He would not have considered the humanity of the child because in his mind it was an aberration & was not human. I thought he had been angry & hit the child & killed it, then had to cover it up. It’s April 2023, we are being told history is not what we have been fed through the news media. This is another truth that should come out. I enjoyed the video & the information presented here. Thanks.
I also tried to read her diaries I couldn't understand them. I have heard it was either Lindbergh or Anne's sister that he dated first! AL's family had their share of problems, her brother was bipolar and had other mental issues as well! Patricia Gambino Harrington
"...we are being told history is not what we have been fed through the news media. This is another truth that should come out." You make a valid point about news media coverage. They are just stenographers for corporate interests. (See my book recommendations to Shakespearelover.) The only way to stay sane these days is to question everything the media presents as fact. Anne's books are unbearable to read. I only scour some of them as her entries might relate to the crime. I believe the entire kidnap hoax was setup by her psychopathic husband, partly to fool her.
Great work, ladies. We need more people like you (and RUclips highlighting the work that you do instead of filling my feed with monstrous trash).
Just my opinion but I think that Lindbergh murdered his child because he had medical conditions that were not acceptable to a person like himself a rather wicked one at that.
Yes, Julie. Rickets is definitely NOT a condition that millionaire babies might suffer from - unless there is another, more serious ailment or medicine that caused rickets to appear.
I have read the book. It was eye-opening!! I got a thorough education about Charles Lindbergh. I had no idea that he was capable of such behavior. The press labeled him as a hero and all my history classes assented. There are many dark secrets in our world. It would likely depress most people to be privy to the real truth.
"There are many dark secrets. It would likely depress most people to be privy to the real truth."
But don't you also agree that the exposure of "dark secrets" is the only way towards true democracy, and a peaceful world? We cannot fix what we don't know is broken. For a better understanding of what your history teachers left out, I would recommend: Lies My Teacher Told Me by James Loewen; Howard Zinn's The People's History of the United States; and the Oliver Stone/Peter Kuznick (book & film) The Untold History of the United States. It is not the fault of your history teachers - they would have been demonized and fired if they presented American history as it should be told.
Name of book please
Just finished the book today. Very well done, and extremely well-researched. I appreciate and am persuaded by this perspective. I have read other works on Lindbergh and he was clearly a bizarre and controlling man with a serious mean streak. Emotionally shut down and devious.
I am tired of the rich and powerful getting allowed to play by different rules, breaking laws and then presenting themselves as saints incarnate via clever PR and an enabling press. PuhLEEEZ….Though it may never be confirmed that Lindgergh was involved in the death of his own child, the other injustice is that his case was seriously bungled. How he was in a position to dictate how his son's death was investigated is example of his serious privilege. His exalted status allowed the star struck investigators to shrink and be directed at his will forgoing their own professional responsibilities to serve and protect. No justice for little Charles.
I don’t want to diminish his amazing accomplishment and bravery in his historic flight, but we must always remember that our heroes are first human beings. I believe we all have a dark side as well as light. However, his dark side was enabled by his family and the world. The recent revelations that he lived a double life and secretly fathered seven other children from 3 other German woman is only confirmation about his sinister and dark personality. Like all of us he was a serious flawed human being.
"No justice for little Charles." And, let's not forget there was probably no justice either for all the people of New Jersey and New York whose law enforcement needs went ignored because of this case. And, how many citizens' lives were seriously disrupted or, damaged, by this expensive investigation that ran on and on for years?
Thanks, Travis, for your comments.
Great post Travis!!
Travis Domeco. Well said, great comment Travis. Cheers.
Travis thank you for your very intelligent post, you made some very good points! Patricia Gambino Harrington(sorry about the two names, but I post on hubby's acct)
Does anyone know if any American mainstream media outlet has covered Lindbergh's "other family" in Germany. I just came across the info by accident and was shocked at what I read. I had already had suspicions that the whole story was a hoax and there was a much darker one underneath.
Pearlman & Benvenutti have compiled some truly groundbreaking Lindbergh Case research!
Thank you so much! We couldn't have gotten as far as we did without all the tremendous work done by other Lindbergh case sleuths including Ronelle!
And, thanks to the internet we can all be "on the same page" now and then....no matter where we live.
Bravo 👏🏼 to all 3 of you- reading 📖 book now.
I cant finish watching this. The person interviewing these two women is horrible. She interrupts them every five minutes. She has no idea how to conduct an interview
“Umm” is used every 3 words
Their book is a bunch of ridiculous "theories," too! The Lindbergh's(extended family) should SUE them for defamation of character.
I find it interesting that Lindbergh was able to walk outside on a dark rainy night and find the ladder in the woods. Also, BRH was a carpenter and I don’t think he would have built a ladder of such a weak nature.
It wasn't in the woods. The ladder was near the home.
Maybe the "baby" not wanting to stand for the " big male doctor" was because the babies father would knock him down with a pillow every time he would try to stand and walk so being in the presence of another big male figure might have made his brain decide it isn't worth it to try.
I don't think that Lindbergh's ego would allow any baby that wasn't perfect to survive, hence very few pictures exist, and he went out of his way to separate mother and child by taking her on trips ect.
He didn't want her to become too attached to the baby, because he knew the baby wasn't going to be around very long as he had plans to remove the baby from their lives. He believed in eugenics and was apparently disgusted by the baby's presence in the house, another reason he made excuses for them to travel constantly.
I wonder if anything happened to any of his other children overseas. He used a different name with each woman. Were any of those children less than perfect?
When the baby was kidnapped, the family published a very detailed diet that they hoped the kidnappers would follow. Such a detailed diet might indicate that Charlie had rickets, a condition associated with malnutrition . A son of Marie Antoinette had rickets so even children from privileged backgrounds suffered from rickets.
@@joannschlicker6995 as far as we know, all of Lindbergh’s other children were born without any disabilities.
@@joannschlicker6995 as far as we know, all of Lindbergh’s other children were born without any disabilities.
Wow great info! Love you ladies!
Thank you for such an interesting talk all of you have done.
The book is amazing. The research is painstaking and extensive.
Always sad when a child is taken, God bless.
These type of stories need more coverage. Just like the Franklin Files Scandal , its been to easy to make it all about someone else, to protect the rich and powerful.
Rich and powerful - yes. No one was going to ask Lindbergh to be interrogated as a suspect - as he should have been. The rich and powerful often have the scariest crackpot ideas which they get away with by defaming us as conspiracy theorists!
I read a book many years ago,which cast serious doubts about Charles Limbergh's character. The book implied the kidnapping was a cover for a ruse gone bad.
Yes, that was Ahlgren and Monier - Crime of the Century.
Implies, but fails to connect any of the evidence. If you're going to write about the case, explain everything. None ever have, except the book A Fleeting Glimpse Into The Lindbergh Kidnapping written by a true Lindberghologist, not some one trying to make a buck.
@@theincorruptedeye8226 What's a Fleeting Glimpse? Never heard of it. And what's wrong with someone making a buck? NO one gets rich from books. What are you talking about?
I don’t think it was a ruse or practical joke. I believe Lindbergh was planning on admitting Charlie jr. to an institution which was unfortunately a common reaction to disability at that time. Something went wrong and the plan was foiled or maybe the child did make it to a facility and was admitted under a false name. As for the corpse I can’t explain that other than maybe it wasn’t Charlie or they robbed the grave of a newly deceased infant.
@@pnmb1 not grave robbing. You should read the book. Or listen to the most notorious podcast
I love the book. I read it over 2 days. I just couldn’t put it down. Lindbergh was a mess.
Worse than a mess, he was a nazi-lover.
Do you think if Anne Morrow’s father were alive at the time of the kidnapping would he have suggested Lindbergh was the culprit? He was an influential and well connected man and didn’t admire Lindbergh.
Great question! Many people wonder about this. There are loads of theories regarding Morrow's untimely death in relation to the crime but Lindbergh could not have commandeered the investigation the way he did if Dwight had been alive.
@@LindberghKidnapping When did Morrow die?
Someone was executed Falsely, because of this Lie!!🤨😌🥀💞💯♉
I have always been a proponent of Hauptmann’s guilt based on the wood, handwriting, possession of ransom money, & employment records, but there is one niggling issue that one cannot get around, which is the question of HOW COULD HAUPTMANN POSSIBLY KNOW THAT THE LINDBERGHS WOULD BE STAYING AT THE HOPEWELL HOME AN EXTRA DAY WITHOUT INSIDE HELP? As far as I know, this issue was never brought up during the trial!
HAUPTMANN WAS INNOCENT...CASE CLOSED
Because he didn't. He was a false scapegoat by Lindbergh and the corrupt police to cover up his crime.
I have always thought he was framed!
And he seemed to know the time to go "kidnap" the baby between 8 and 10 pm when all of the family would still be awake. It would make more sense if it was done at 3 am
Awesome video! Very interesting information that was new to me. Thanks so much!
Glad you enjoyed it!
I thought the conversation went astray when it became obsessed with that piece of equipment that was broken. Ok, we get it, move on, someone else was speaking, could we return to that?
Yes, I agree with you. However!
The conversation is just chock-full of information that is astounding and frightening and it’s just like listening in on a conversation - you’re just overhearing people who have done the research and have put in the hours and they’re stating many facts and they tell you when something is speculation. The Young lady always has something interesting to point out and so she’s a very good addition to the conversation.
Believe me, I won’t forget the barograph !! Ever!!
So really, no harm is done and even though it can be irritating with the starts and stops especially from the young lady, this is fascinating and I’m just halfway through. I know I can listen to this two or three more times. And I can’t wait to read Lise Pearlman’s book.
That was my only criticism : Jamie is so bright and pretty but i dont think shes at ease on camera and it was hard to listen to her freeze up , "um " , constantly . That and the lack of sound continuity ; i could never hear Ronelle but Lise was super amplified . Crazy distracting , constantly grabbing the remote for 2 hrs to adjust , very irritating . These are not huge issues though . The content , intelligence and personalities of the speakers are great .
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Yes, I had a very hard time hearing Ronelle, it was almost impossible to hear her because her volume is soooo low.
I'm beginning to think the Lindbergs knew their baby was going to have problems so they tried numerous times to make her miscarry. What sane person would continue to take those risks while pregnant?? And since the flights didn't work boom "kidnapping" happens...
Agreed. What is wrong with Ann to go along with all of this craziness of flying 7 months pregnant and all of the dangerous pranks and stupid dictatorial rules laid out by her husband regarding childcare. What 7-month pregnant woman doesn't have to get out of the plane to use the bathroom during refueling stops and otherwise frequently?
If he could get out of his crib , he probably could stand and walk. The thumb guards, the safety pins and the sun lamps were commonly used with children at the time. Lindbergh might have been blamed Anne for any genetic problems because Elizabeth had a heart problem and Anne's brother had mental health issues , Lindbergh would not have blamed his side of the family for any health problems.
2 people that knew that was her love child from another man. Bet she got pregnant at aviation school in San Diego. Notice how ANY humiliation ti him he wipes clean of it finding it’s way in history? There’s nothing about her going to aviation school.
There’s something a lot more sinister going on. He’s darker than you think. He wanted ti haunt her & humiliate that child even in death that having its hands, leg & genitalia gone wasn’t enough terror & humiliation?
That’s why he took her on those flights & as soon as her dad died-he pounced.
And he had to be a complete moron if he could not see the black in her or her mom which deep down is a white supremacists thing.
That baby’s Afro was showing-it was time.
The woman talks too much. Wanted to hear what her guests had to say. Couldn't finish this.
This!!
The maid committed suicide. I think that points to feeling guilty. I’m not saying she did it. But I think she had a hand in it. I don’t think the child was taken out the window. No muddy foot prints in the room. The child was walked down the back stairs and out handed to somebody. So it was an inside job. Did Lindbergh want an imperfect child gone? Possible and a stranger kidnapping also possible. Which is more likely? Why would a kidnapper kill a child almost immediately?
One wonders if she was “suicided”, it’s a thing now you know….
A bad case of rickets could explain a lot of things that may have been wrong with the baby. Known signs are a jutting breastbone (his chest circumference was noted to be large at this final dr's appointment), an abnormally large fontanelle (could explain why his still hadn't closed), skull abnormalities (his head was noted to be "square"), prominent forehead (noted as well), and skeletal deformities (the toes?).
Wouldn't there have been a cure for rickets in the beginning of the 20th century? The child could not have been suffering from malnutrition.
@@anthonytroisi6682 Rickets was still a thing until Vitamin D fortified foods were developed. The original "Crime of the Century" child victim, Bobby Franks who was killed in 1924 and from a very wealthy family suffered from rickets.
I always thought the blanket pinned to the sheet was so the baby wouldn't kick off his blanket and be cold. He was an active toddler! I think Lindbergh was a very controlling person, but not very perceptive when it came to other people.
It sounds to me like the "baby" (he was already a toddler) was being constrained due to possible seizures.
I’m a professional nanny with a BA degree in child development &!ive worked as a private nanny for the upper class since 1990. It wasn’t unusual in the early 20th century to pin a young child’s blanket to the sheets to keep them from kicking the blankets off or getting entangled in them. It was standard practice well until the 1950’s & continued in some circles into the mid 1960’s. I don’t see anything sinister in the blanket being pinned to the sheets.
That said, I do think there was something wrong with little Charlie. Photos of him standing in a jumper show his legs are splayed & smaller in proportion to his upper body. The fontanelle not being closed at 20 months is also a red flag. I also suspect Lindbergh had something to do with the disappearance. His behavior that night is highly suspicious. I believe he wanted to institutionalize the boy & planned to cover it up by claiming little Charlie had been kidnapped. Instead the child was accidentally killed & Lindbergh had to go all in with the kidnap & ransom story to hide the death.
Sociopath ?
@@learobinson4450 Yes, your theory about committing the child is a very popular one. And they built their home within a few miles of the biggest epileptic village on the east coast of the country. I visited the ghastly place years ago - NJ has torn it down but Stephen King could have used it for a horror film! Regarding the pinned blanket, I don't think pinning the child around his neck would be what you were referring to. To prevent a tangled blanket no parent would pin down the baby's neck and shoulder area.
The ladder was made before. So there was no accident.
Looking foward to your book Ronelle! Please make another podcast!😊
Why did Anne Lindbergh agree to take that dangerous flight at seven months pregnant? Inquiring minds want and need to know
constant verbal and psychological abuse come to mind
Excellent. Thank you all.
Bone malformation can have several genetic reasons. Osteogenesis Imperfecta has 7 degrees of severity. The most severe version is known as brittle bone disease. Other malformation that could account for a large head, short long bones, and a barrel chest is SED and other collagen related bone disorders. These are typically missense mutations. A flight while heavily pregnant or breathing fumes while pregnant would not cause the malformations cited here.
God help me. I’ve NEVER heard ANYONE say “umm” SO MANY TIMES ! So unintelligent ! Umm umm umm ummm ummmm ummm ummm ummm ummm It’s torture waiting for her to make her point ! 😩😩😩😩
Best book on the subject I've read!
@The Lindbergh Kidnapping Hoax , I am rereading Lise’s and Jamie’s book. Especially the parts I had previously shied away from and skimmed over before. Regarding Alexis Carrel. I am so horrified. Alexis Carrel was a sadistic and deviant physician. . With absolutely no moral code. I think it speaks volumes that THIS sadistic and completely amoral researcher, was Charles Lindbergh own personal hero.
Have one comment. From my experience with aviation once you go above 10,000 feet you need oxygen. How did Lindbergh survive at 15,000?
I’m heading to Amazon right now to buy the book. So glad to see you on RUclips @RonelleDelmont. Hope you are doing well.
I used to baby sit a kid who I had to pin into bed per parent instruction because he would get up at night and wander around while everyone slept. This was in the early seventies. And a 2 year old in a crib isn't all that unusual I don't think. This lady here makes a big deal out of too much.
Sorry, but a 2 yr. old in a crib Is unusual. By that age they are able to climb out, fall & suffer head injuries, ect...some babies start trying to climb out at 18-19 mos. As far as the child you watched, at that time, some physicians did prescribe parents to "pin" their child in bed to keep them from injuring themselves, nowday's, No. That can be just as dangerous.
@@ellenkelley6173 I don't think it was unusual for that time period to have a 2 year old in a crib is what I was alluding to.
@@ellenkelley6173 to be accurate, Little Charlie was 20 months old. According to the Lindbergh's pediatrician, Little Charlie had a case of rickets and had trouble walking without wobbling. In addition to those facts, Lindbergh was clearly very controlling and had his staff pin the child to his bed sheets every night most likely to inhibit any possibility of him climbing out of his bed,. Lindbergh even had metal thumb guards attached to little Charlies thumbs every night while sleeping in his crib. I saw a picture of those thumb guards and they looked horrific and even painful,
Did the parents have you pin their child down at his neck? Charley was pinned down at his neckline - above his shoulders. This suggests something other than sleep-walking.
@@LindberghKidnapping How do you know that for sure and what do you think it suggests?
Wish you'd let the authors talk
Brilliant analysis!
Good discussion. Just take it as it’s given. And the daughter’s suggestion of a forum would be terrific! Hope there are more of these.
Where does the Lie come from that one life is any less Precious than another?!?!🤨😌🥀💞💯♉
Why did you even ask these two ladies in your show if you're going to interrupt them the whole time! 😮😮
The book comes out in September '21 I was told.
I have it on order, can't wait.
My mom, in her last year of college in 1946 said it was very suspicious about the kidnapping and the baby was found dead.
Charles and Anne spent lots of time flying all over the place, at high altitudes without oxygen during her pregnancy. I believe the child suffered intrauterine hypoxia, and was born with cerebral palsy--he had developmental--mental and physical--deficits. Selfish parents. BTW rickets is a Vit D deficiency.
Thanks for the idea. I don't know much about cerebral palsy but google says it may be caused by a lack of oxygen so you have a good point. There are probably many maladies that would not be obvious from the few photos available. The most trustworthy information we have is Dr Van Ingen's statement about the large square head, rickety condition, and unclosed fontinel. So it's anybody's educated guess.
…. However, as Ronelle knows, told in one of her other videos, if the child suffered from oxygen deprivation because of that cross country airplane flight by the mother, the baby might have been epileptic and one medication for epilepsy was phenobarbital. And Ronelle or one of her guest stated that Rickets is a side effect of phenobarbital. So vitamin D deficiency did not cause the rickets but instead the rickets was a side effect of the phenobarbital, if the child had epilepsy.
Thank goodness that Ronelle and her guests are interested in this case because I don’t think that piece of information regarding epilepsy would ever have been associated with the Lindbergh baby and the surprising condition of rickets in a child of wealthy parents. Brilliant, Ronelle!
Is there any evidence that Elizabeth had heart surgery around the time of the kidnapping?
There was no "heart surgery" back then. Not possible.
There are a couple of men who believe themselves to be Charles Jr., but only DNA testing will help now. Charles Sr. was not even close to the image he encouraged in the press. I was a celebrity psychopath. He had fun throwing coach pillos at his son to knock him down while the child ran around their living room when he was done playing with mommy. Loving fathers don't do that. Which is the key to this. Sr. was not even close to being an adult much less a loving father. The "pranks" he pulled were the types a 12 year old would think of . But, Lindberg had the knowledge to make them happen. tampering with the throttle of a plane to embarass a friend who also flew.
His pranks were like those of a spoiled little brat
I've read dozens of books on the topic. When I first picked up Pearlman's book I was skeptical. However, she connects the dots no one else has and released detailed information (evidence found at the site the body was dumped) that paint an irrefutable picture. The only thing I would add is the $50k ransom was either paid as a payoff or opportunists seized an opportunity to exhort the money.
I've read the book., and the research is amazing. Very convincing.
Ronelle Delmont doesn't know how to interview. The best of all the Lindbergh books.
sometimes i stare into random internet rabbit holes, and the random internet rabbit holes stare back at me.
I have not read the book but I am intreagued. Well done! to authors and researchers. apart from the sad facts, these incidents are often a way in to our history.
A child can be hydrocephalic and experience seizures. I've worked with people who have disabilities for decades.
Very informative! Thank you!
I mean dude had THREE FAMILIES!!!
No. He just had children from 3 other women. To have a "family" he needed to be there on a weekly, monthly, maybe even daily, basis. The dude never spent time with any of the women or with their children. The dude was, basically, a "visitor" who made babies. Only good part is that he was filthy rich and paid some of their bills.
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Whatever you say pal.
Hi . Im so happy i found your channel . I love all that im learning and am so excited that i just ordered the book . Has any one considered that the baby might have suffered from dwarfism ? Accts for the big head , bowed legs and the fact that he seemed intellectually unimpaired . I am gonna read up and who knows ? If anything comes of it pls credit R. Lee , Newburgh NY since im pretty proud of my potential brainstorm . Love what ALL of you are doing ; youre the best !!!
I DID read up on dwarfism and the symptoms are very very similar to the Lindbergh baby's . I should have written my own book .
Not only dwarfism but I've even considered the opposite where a child grows too large. (I don't remember what that's called) The biggest problem on these issues of the boy's health is that we have no medical records, we have no pictures (Lindbergh forbade photography!) and, we have no whistle blowers - not then and not now. There's probably no one alive today who actually saw little Charlie - dead or alive. Lindbergh's oher children did not even know of his existence until they were adults.
@@LindberghKidnapping looks like psychi dad sure made a clean sweep of things !!! Guess theories are all we've got ☹☹☹
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I find it hard to believe that his other kids didn't know about the baby given the fact that it was so much of a crazy debacle of the trial ect. I mean, I heard of it, and soooo many years have passed since the baby died.
It was the trial of the century, and someone at school would have mentioned it to the other kids, right ?
@@LindberghKidnapping Acromegaly causes abnormal growth due to pituitary gland malfunction.
Don’t even know why the interviewer had these two on ? She didn’t let them talk. Or even talk in depth about her book!
You bring on experts. Let THEM TALK. YOU MONOPOLIZE. BUT great work
Very insightfull!!! Horrible man!!!
Please address/berate the guest panelist here who keeps saying 'the kid.' Its disrespectful. Completely
Even Jafsie used that term, I believe. I vaguely remember something about his original manuscript having that word in it.....
What did Charlie have over his wife so that she stayed with him. Was she scared of him or just was she a wife who followed the old ways of women stayed in their place and let their men do their business without being intrusive .. i really want to read this book it sounds very interesting.. i was thinking that the son was not very verbal or showing much activity kind of listless . But now i hear that the child was like other kids and was active trying to get into things and trying to mirror actions of other kids and the parents had to pin him in the bed to keep him from trying to climb out.. thats what books tended to led you to believe.. i was very mislead..
I have a few questions actually ( besides the one below).
Why did Lindbergh turn to the mob? Did he have connections to the mob prior to the kidnapping? I mean, seriously, how does one "turn to the mob?" If I had to find a mob member to help me get or do something I don't know the first thing about contacting an actual mob member. I would suspect contacting a fake mob member would be pretty easy. Just look at all the people that want to hire a hit man or mob member to kill a family member only to learn that they were talking to the police the whole time. Given my stated presumption, this leads me to think Lindbergh already had a connection to the mob. Why? How?
Did anyone ever compare the note to the handwriting of anyone involved? Say Lindbergh himself? The doctor? The accused?
Somewhere during listening to all the interviews it was said that the babies night wear was pinned to the mattress and the baby would have had to have been slipped out of them when they took him however when the baby was found he was found in his night wear. Hum, did they rummage through his clothes drawer prior to leaving?
If Lindbergh didn't look at the note, how did he know it was a kidnapping note?
He knew people who knew people . Breckinridge , for instance , probably knew all kinds of people , shady and otherwise ; he was in on this in some capacity .
Think they meant bedclothes were pinned . Another term for sheets and blankets
Through Breckinridge he got the mobsters and then latched on to Dr. Condon when the professor showed up later with a ransom note sent to him by mail in the Bronx that contained the correct symbols. The blanket was pinned to the mattress (it looks like there was no sheet on the mattress in the photos) and the thumb guards were tied to his hands. Miss LeeNY is correct - "bedclothes" seems to be a word used for blankets and sheets etc.
I have a quick question regarding Lindy's extramarital bastard offspring: have they been identified as possessing his DNA, and of them, were any born with deformities or genetic disease/abnormalities - the like(s) of which Charlie was supposed to have presented? Perhaps Lindy saw that HIS genes were 'perfect' as displayed by his other 'normal' children, more proof that Anne was the weaker genetic provider, that gave him something he would never allow to bear his name.
Excellent ?
I’ve not head but if I had to guess I really don’t think there was anything really wrong with the child what I think was wrong was when the baby first came out & he saw how dark he was. Her family was from Cleveland. I can see the black in her & her mom & I can see it in the baby. What baby you know that has an estate & a tanning salon over his crib & still be white?!? He could see that black coming out. He deprived her & that child of Vit D which is a typical trick of white supremacists who usually derp down like dark girls but don’t want them to be “too tan”. That baby had an Afro and/or that baby wasn’t his. He didn’t spare his child for a greater good. He was a sadistic psychopath. He just left his child in a ditch w/ in eye shot of his home with his hands missing, one leg & his genitalia having been attacked by animals and a hole in his head?! He HATED that this child existed & he wanted to make his existence humiliating to its mother & even in death he denied him his dignity.
Pure, evil, Neo nazi psychopath.
They definitely have his DNA - proven with one of his grandchildren's DNA. However, their health conditions are obviously private. The eldest, son passed away a few years ago, from cancer.
OMG..you three women need to get your information written down prior to doing a video like this. All 3 stutter so much, abd can't remember anything and are constantly interupting each other. And the lady inbthe white hair, someone needs to tell her that she doesnt need to yell. She isnt talking into a phone😂
omg, 3 authors, 3 different versions of every aspect. 100 authors, 100 different versions. LMAO.
I think there is so much truth in the book . Their was another theory as well. That Ann"s older Sisster Elizabeth who lindy was In love with but ditched her because of her illness he did not think she could bare healthy children. So he married Ann , and Elizabeth father liked Lindy but didi not want him for a son in law.
The theory was that Elizabeth in a jealous rage over her sister Ann marriage to Lindy then the birth of the baby boy was very jealous and she killed the baby they covered it up. It was said that the staff was warned to watch Elizabeth around the baby not to leave her alone with the child
It was believe that the reason the nurse killed herself was because she left the baby unattended with Elizabeth and The reason they didi not go back to her parents and he didi not show up for meeting he was scheduled to speak at because he was called home being told Ann killed the baby. So he came home to cover up the fact that Elizabeth killed the baby Ann was not aware that Elizabeth killed the baby he wanted to keep the peace with in the family so he covered ot all up
I think that Elizabeth was jealous of Anne's marriage to Lindbergh. Lindberg considered marrying a Morrow as an example of "marrying up".
"Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep His commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil."
Ecclesiastes 12:13-14!
"And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire."
Revelation 20:15!
REPENT and RECEIVE JESUS as your LORD and SAVIOUR to have your name secured in His Book of Life! St John 3:16! 💓
This WHOLE discussion has brought NO JOY (to me), so hopefully you will find JOY in JESUS before He returns!
(See 1 Peter 1:8)!
Amen.
Enough with the barograph! Good grief, get on with it!
Who did write those ransom notes?
What was the reason for that plane ride, when she was seven months pregnant? Was it to show off, exert control, just what was the reason?
Just looking at pictures of Charles Lindbergh he himself had a large square head and so did many of his kids so ...
Why was ladder left?
Everyone that has written a book on this seems to have different "facts"..hard to come to any kind of conclusion with so much contradictory opinions.
Well, it was "the crime of the century" and everyone tried to get in on the act. When that happens, too many "facts" arise and everyone goes crazy. Join the "club."
… no, there are not different facts. What Lise Pearlman did with her book is she took the facts and she put them in the right sequence. Pearlman ignored the red herrings which include the ladder and the ransom notes. Then she added additional information which people really didn’t know about before the 1980s (including Lindbergh’s friendship with Dr. Carrel) and she put together a complete picture and narrative about not just what possibly happened but what probably happened.
Charles Lindbergh put up a smokescreen and literally took over the investigation and diverted the police, public and newspapers’ attention to where he wanted them to look.
I read the Pearlman book and it is excellent.
In victorian times people restrained babies in cribs by lacing and tying them to their beds. So it’s not a huge leap to think that some people did the same thing by using the invention of safety pins for the same purpose.
Yes, they did traditionally swaddle their children long ago. But no one "swaddled" a baby's neck. That is the location of the Lindbergh safety pins - around Charlie's neck. His fingers are entrapped so he cannot suck them. (Pure torture for any baby or toddler in any century.) People swaddled the entire body not just one portion. The neck area points, I would think, to prevention of convulsions. No?
@ he was too old to swaddle. I heard from my grandmother that some people would put a baby blanket over their children and pin it at the shoulders, down the sides and at the bottom to keep them in place.
I would love to watch this but it's too frustrating
Phenobarbital also has been found to lower IQ in children also by the end of the 20th century. Just because someone has epilepsy does not make them hydrocephalic at all those are totally different medical conditions and one does not automatically include the other and that you can have either condition without particularly or automatically having both together.
Phenobarbitol can also cause MR/DD
With the shaking on the plane, couldn't it copy "shaking baby syndrome?"
He didn’t kill his son. He killed HER son & that’s why that baby was cremated.
That wasn’t his kid. You can’t feel that absolute void of emotional respect for something that’s a part of you.
Not possible.
Hitler wound of buried his kid.
How bad is THAT?
I think I see what you're saying but if he blamed Anne for his "defective" child, why would he go on having so many more with her. He wanted 12 children and she told him to have the rest with someone else. So he did. I wish we knew more about the 7 others but their story has been stonewalled.
Whomever the lady with the carpet behind her doesn't seem to know what the heck she's talking about. 20 minutes in; unlistenable. Too bad she keeps interrupting.
She is there to ask the questions, she does not profess to be the expert.
Instead of denigrating me as "lady with carpet" and "unlistenable" you could, at least, if you had a shred of knowledge on this case, have posted a constructive comment on WHY I "don't know what I am talking about." Your comment is not "worth" anything "good" so your name is all backwards. (How does that feel?)
@@LindberghKidnapping Wow. That was petty.
@@lisamckennon3025 …. I think Ronelle has done a wonderful job of doing these videos. And when I watched the first video, I was irritated by how she conducted it, but then I realized this is really a conversation among persons who know the subject matter of Lindbergh and the tragedy of the kidnapping and murder. So I accepted on that basis and am thankful for the new way that people are looking at the tragic event.
No, Ronelle is not an experienced interviewer but I have my criticism of Charlie Rose and Dick Cavett; and Oprah Winfrey was awful. I think the best interviewer ever was Phil Donahue.
If you have the patience and you just sit back and listen to the back-and-forth there’s information that comes out that just floors you. And her guest is Lisa Perlman who has written the recent book “suspect number one.” It is amazing and and frightening.
Ronelle has been following the Lindbergh case since 1993 and her videos are gold mines. She has even flown in an open air cockpit airplane! So I think the criticism about her interviewing skills is not important considering the subject matter (the kidnapping and death a toddler) and the execution of an innocent man, Hauptman. And the fact that Lindbergh may have been involved and planned it. The least of your worries here should be the interviewer’s skill.
And yes, you have to have a little bit of background in order to follow the chain of events and the people involved. But even so, what Charles Lindbergh did or might have done is something that should be examined with new eyes and minds and told to the American public. Hauptman was innocent of the kidnapping and murder.
What is the constant thud like noise. ?
Woman talks constantly overridding the interview with her own opinions. Gets a dislike from me. Background noise and constantly dominating. YUK
Who does this to a child? CHARLES LINDBERGH does this to a child, or orders it done.
Could the baby have had acromegaly?
Interesting question.
She knew what he did & she stayed & a part of her blamed herself. Notice how their life was chronicled-the only thing that is wiped out of their time line is her going to aviation school. They were married in May of ‘29-she woulda had to get pregnant round 10/22 to deliver June 22….?? She was in San Diego & I bet she had an affair & that wasn’t his kid. His moms fam are doctors-they put it together. That’s why he took her on that flight at 7 mos but then when her dad died his plan went into motion. He was intimidated by him bc he was a well respected, good man. Bet he knew her dad knew the truth. That kid wasn’t his not that I couldn’t see him kill or even kill a part of himself but he didn’t loathe himself enough to leave his biological son like that. He hated HER & wanted to terrorizer every time she had to pass it which was what 2x a day?
He was a Jersey Hitler.
Was Spina Bifida considered when evaluating Little Charles? The large head and turned in feet sound like it could be that
Here is a different podcast involving Lise Pearlman regarding her new book: ruclips.net/video/aHsUGdwkq7c/видео.html
he had to have stopped to refuel and pee can't fly 33 hours without peeing, they said he couldn't stand so how could he crawl out of the bed and go to the bathroom
He urinated into a bottle. Evidently, the King of England asked Lindbergh that very question as well. Lindbergh came within a few feet of falling into the ocean, as the barograph recorded. So, he had obviously fallen asleep.
Those pictures don't even look real to me.
Why is the woman in the blue shirt even on there?😂
I think she’s the author of the book.
Looking at the so called kidnapping letter i have a feeling that it is written with the non dominant hand ie if you are left handed it has been written with the right and vice versa. Secondly it looks to me like a German has been implicated by the insertion of a few words we all know how zee s is done!! The problem the writers or writer of the note had was when it came the signature he wanted to validate it how to do it.? My thought is that he said to himself how does the post office validate a letter. Oh yes, i will design a franking machine myself two coins dipped in the ink and a red blob and two or so dashes. Who worked for some time delivering by air post and knew the value of this official stamp both in monetary terms and in official validation?
He even used airmail colours
Absolutely beautiful....thank you, Frederick.
The one lady yelling 🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️
17 mons that Afro was showing! You can easily see the black in that beautiful baby. She was black & he made her stay light which denies the baby & she had to get pregnant late October so the first 5 months is winter….Vit D deficiencies are common in June/July babies especially from the 50/60’s so definitely in the ‘30’s!