Dr. John McDougall & Dr. Frank Neelon Discuss the Famous "Rice Diet"
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I think one reason many people don't put forth the effort to change is that they don't really believe that their efforts will yield results. I think convincing people that a change in their behavior will yield the desirable results they want is key to generating the motivation required to make real change. Too many people are held back by a fear of failure and a fear that their efforts will be ineffective -- often fueled by past experiences of failure.
This is exactly my problem
I was thinking this exactly today you are so spot-on exactly my situation
I think diet information is generally bad, so people try XYZ diets and never get to what actually works. I went back to keto a few times… keto is awful.
We Definitely want to hear from patient X.
It’s very rare to hear doctors being so truthful and honest. Thank you for this interview🙏🏻
What is overlooked in these conversations is that health is not just about weight, cholestrol, blood pressure etc., but also about athleticism, creativity, mood stability, productivity, youthfulness, zest for life etc.
Yet all of those preventable illnesses can affect your athleticism, creativity, mood stability, productivity,youthfulness , zest for life etc.
@@OfficiallyXgotcha34 You're missing the point that you can have excellent blood test results but still look like a deteriorated vegan.
@OfficiallyXgotcha34 so pretty much what he said. JFC
It is amazing - when I was a naturopathic physician, I was most amazed by one of my patients cured themselves of an aggressive cancer and became 100% healthy and resumed his commercial pilot career. Truely really amazing. He did everything with great commitment. He even did things I recommended that he thought was rubbish. Incredible.
How did he do cure himself?
'...one of...' '...themselves...'?
How many again?
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I tell folks l know to watch all these rerun videos to catchup on all the news you are sharing. I think this is the smartest way to keep up with all your good information. I go back and rewatch so many to just be clear on what l may have missed
SIDE NOTE. I started eating spinach and my hair grew back 4 years ago.I was down to 1/2 of a widow peak. I thought it was a fluke but a woman told me last night that I had told her about spinach and her hair grew back also.
Dr. McDougall saved me from the Paleo Wheat Belly Diet in 2013. He had Paleo in the title. At first I was mad and I watched the show. I watched it again and it made so much sense to eat starch and ditch the meat. Dr. McDougall I owe my health to you. Always appreciate you.
Spinach does not cure male pattern baldness
@@eddief9254 it did for me. Perhaps it was just a fluke or the baldness was from a nutritional deficiency. I do not care my hair is back
Whatever you say
How long did it take to grow back
Weird.. I eat spinach everyday twice a day. Still Bald. Must be the drug your taking to grow hair.😃👍
Let food be thy medicine.
Very informative. Thank you AJ, Dr McDougall and Dr Neelon.
There is a comparison about the poison (disease) that flowed into a lake. The solution was to try to neutralize (medicine) the poison instead of removing the cause. You are working in the right direction, you are removing the poison. Keep up your awesome job.
Thank you AJ for this great interview.
Thank you very much to the Doctors and to you Chef AJ, I am very happy to be here and listening these bright minds 👏🏻🤩💝🥇
Thank you for the videos featuring Dr. Kempner
2 giants of nutrition talking about another giant, kempner, so great to hear this, just think how many lives these doctors saved ... great people
I often have the question about blood pressure. Mine is very low and I often feel like I’m going to pass out. My doctor told me to increase my salt intake.
Use Celtic salt. Don’t use table salt .put a pinch in your water. It healed my dizziness/vertigo using Celtic salt . I brush with salt now too. I put a pinch in my thermos with hot water and I sip it throughout the day. ❤❤❤Mind you, I drink different fluids in between. Regular water, coffee and sometimes tea.
Dr. Kempner's story is one of my favorite anecdotes to share with people when I speak with them about nutrition. I recently read a book written by one of his patients called "Fat Like Us." The author interviewed dozens of Rice Diet patients whose stories are in the book. Fascinating stuff but I was left feeling sad for the patients because they didn't come away from the program with a sustainable solution for maintaining their health.
Here is an interesting passage:
The creed of the Rice Diet is simple food served plainly. For novices, the Rice Diet consists of rice and fruit. Later on in treatment, vegetables are added. The rice is plain and boiled, without any salt. The fruit is canned or fresh. Each dieter's daily calorie allotment of calories ranges between four hundred and seven hundred a day. A typical breakfast at the Rice House consists of one half of a grapefruit, two-thirds cup of oatmeal, and one cup of Sanka - without cream or sugar. Lunch and dinner are identical: two-thirds of a cup of rice and two servings of fruit. All of us, no matter how large or small, eat rice and fruit until the staff says otherwise. The physical results of the Diet are felt immediately and resemble the early stages of starvation.
Withdrawing from food causes the body to feed on carbohydrates stored in the liver. Dr. Kempner referred to this process as "cooking your own bacon." Ricers refer to it as "auto-cannibal." The body makes adaptive changes, and as less food is taken in, less energy is expended. The heartbeat slows down, blood pressure drops, internal organs shrink. Dieters experience severe headaches, lethargy, and disorientation. We call this disorientation "Ricerhead," and its onset signals the body's loss of sodium and potassium. Ricerhead is extremely common in beginning dieters.
Ricers use walking as our main exercise and often walk seven, ten, or even fifteen miles a day. One very ambitious group of Dieters walked all the way to Raleigh - twenty-three miles away! We exercise while consuming very little food and no salt whatsoever. Sometimes the levels of sodium and potassium in the body get too low, and a Ricer will pass out. When this happens, the staff adds toast and tomato juice to the Diet. Other side effects include aching muscles, hair loss, changes in menstrual patterns, and vivid dreaming about food. While on the Rice Diet, I would get up at night and look in the wastebaskets to make sure I hadn't really consumed the food I'd dreamed about.
The harrowing period of side effects lasts about ten days, followed immediately by a brief period of a near-euphoria where one feels light, airy and pure in body and spirit. The headaches depart, and clear thought and excess energy occur. Now the body feeds on its own fat and muscle. Weight loss is twenty-five percent fat, twenty-five percent muscle, and fifty percent water. The face thins out, skin sags, and cheeks hollow as bone structure emerges.
Most of us eat rice and fruit for six weeks. After that time, if all body levels such as blood pressure, blood sugar, and cholesterol are normal and the staff allows it, we are allowed to have vegetables. By this point, significant weight loss has occurred.
@@suzybear22 I believe Dr. McDougall considers Dr. Kempner his hero because he "saved" these peoples lives. They had acute hypertension and would have died within 5-6 months. If you were given a death sentence with a remedy what would you do? Dr. Neelon stated he had beat only one person that he was aware of.
Idk know how to feel about this post lol it’s very informative but scary at the same time!
@@indy3240 This was a very interesting post. Thank you for sharing this excerpt with us. It sounds like a mini version of the Minnesota Starvation Experiment done by Doctor Ancel Keys
Concentration camps 🥴🥴🥴🫣 scary …..
The sad thing is that this worked because it was such a restrictive diet. Of COURSE you lose all the weight when you walk all day and eat only some fruit and rice. EVERYBODY knows this. Is this ideal long term? NO.
It is just another ONE way to eat and diet to starve yourself... works short term. Unmaintainable long term... this is not a life solution.
People like Dr mcDougall are severely eating disordered and this is why they can restrict themselves so heavily long term - i mean, look at the guy... does he look like the picture of health?
I think we often forget about the balance thing... there are many people living to old age who do not eat the rice diet, who in fact, eat things like butter or cheese or sugar or even drink alcohol...
The thing that's most overlooked, i think, is stress.
Are salads healthy, sure.
Is fruit great for you? YES we know this.
Will some butter or even meat kill you? Nope.
I know the internet is full of stories supported by people like mdcougall and esselstyn and their disciples, who want to make you believe you will die an untimely death if you eat any animal fats, or even just any fat in general - even plant fat... which, is NOT supported by science to be bad for you! - but the reality is that it is not this simple.
my grandma turns 92 this week, she eats everything these doctors say will kill you at a young age. Well... she's defying that story. And i know many people in my surroundings who just grow old eating whatever.
Does that mean we just eat butter all day now? of course not. BUT... NUANCE. please.
Great truly great podcast love hearing all this great info thank you so much!!!
So happy to hear this talk!
Great discussions!!
Excellent guest
Thank you, guys, for sharing this wonderful interview ❤❤❤❤❤
Dr Neelon looks so healthy and happy for 88!
Loved this talk, good discussion on sodium and good discussion on measuring (calorie counting) is helpful. What is "eating until comfortable full"? Want to lose more need to eat a little bit less. Large people have large stomachs and will be comfortable with more food than needed.
If you FAST like the bible says and like you are supposed to do, and as many good doctors recommend, then your stomach will shrink to where it is supposed to be! Fasting even for a short time like 3 days shrinks your stomach drastically!
But what upsets me is that I have military insurance and they will only pay for you to see a nutritionist if you already have diabetes or maybe if you are developing it. It is just not right that they do not provide for prevention, but only after if the problem has already presented. I would like to go to my doctor and have him advise me on what to do. I have already done blood work and everything is amazing since I have been on a plant-based diet but I am looking for better foods a more range of things that would benefit my body like the Japanese potato and this guy can’t tell me anything because he does not know much about nutrition. So I am grateful to have people like you and other great plant-based doctors that are willing to educate us and tell us the truth.
Medicare isn’t any better. I experienced pain in my lower back that moved to the left a bit. Went to have it checked out and asked that I get an MRI as I felt it wasn’t specifically a bone issue since the pain migrated to the left side. I was told that Medicare wouldn’t pay for an MRI unless I had x-rays first, so I did. The MRI showed that I had a slight stage of osteoarthritis. So Medicare spent close to $3k for x-rays.
I just love watching these amazing interviews.
Thank you so much for this. It was very informative.
What is a typical day on the rice diet, I never hear what amount or what they eat or how many times a day they are eating. I just hear rice and fruit. Any information would be great. Thanks!
I did the rice diet years ago using the book. It was the first time in my entire life I'd ever lost any weight. I actually lost 20 lb.
How long did it take?
I wish I could loose weight on rice. I love the taste & it's so filling. I may be eating too much though.
What book??
Loved this video thank you
I am starting Mary's Mini today with rice. Adding veggies with Vitamin A & C, as he recommends. My mom always say rice makes you fat... after 10 days, let's see who is right 😎 lol
Rice with oils do cause fat issues.
That’s the oils fault not the rice
Im not obese but i had high BP with lisinipril 20 -40 - I quit caffeinated coffee and table salt and i am now 127/85 in 3 days - no meds - I drink decaf now
McDougall is a wizard ..thank u for all that u do . Touchwood . God Bless .
rice, broccoli and tofu (or beans) sautéed garlic and ginger in olive oil.
side of avocado and spinach.
fruit smoothie with oat milk and bananas .
been living on that for years. Never ate meat in my life.
blech
Sounds awesome
@@opetelkaaluemaan ??
Watch out for Brandon he is with the broccoli lobby
@ hahahhaah
How many cups of rice are we best to have in a day pls?
Great question, would like to know that as well.
A cup of cooked white rice according to google is 206 cal. So you would get approx four cups a day of cooked white rice. If you add fruit you get less rice. If you're sticking to 800 cal a day.
You shouldn't do this at home ppl.
@@marleri thank u
@@marleri Perfect, thank you. I use Crono-o-meter ... so will give it a go.
Wonderful information thank you so much. Is there any studies on kidney stones and how to prevent them?
Citrus fruits
Thank you Dr MCDOUGALL for sharing with doctors that can help us with our health fabulous
Great episode!
Can no salt diet cause low stomach acid from low Cl intake? I managed to lower my BP (to 105 70) with WFPB SOS free diet after about 18 months. But I have problem with heartburn, chest pain and throat pain.
I had to start taking HCL with pepsin after being on very low salt. You do need a little salt to make stomach acid
Try celery juice - it’s so healing and life changing
We need mineral salts not salt actually
If you examine the rice diet, you must look at the calories allowed in the study. What I saw was 800 calories a day. That alone would cure obesity and high BP.
If you examine the ENTIRE study his original rice plan was 2000 to 2400 calories a day. That plan was designed to Improve life threatening Illnesses. However weight loss was also a big deal to he did use a restricted calorie version. Both had excellent results :)
@@MTDixonSr The results were produced on the 800 calories.
It's very difficult to get 2000+ calories eating only rice.
What about the sugar? How did he use that?
800 is WAY too low.
would rice diet help systemic gout? my friend who had gastric bypass and lost weight, kept it off, is in the hospital Could this help?
Gout is caused by too much Uric Acid, which is from the nitrogen in protein.
Does this diet help hypo and hyperthyroidism?
I pray you older doctors are able to reach out and teach the younger doctors to know the Starch Solution to heal sick folks out there.....good luck and l cheer you on. My main foods are rice and potatoes....so l know better
Loved this. Thank you
1:49:27 is what you're looking for the day to day eating plan
Where is the link for Dr. Kempners 2nd papers in English that we can read?
You should make Rice is Life t shirts
Can anyone here tell me where invert sugar plays into this diet, vis-a-vis regular sucrose? Is it safe to consume?
What concerns me most about the Rice Diet is the strict adherence to very low calories & extreme non-variation in food. For long-term compliance, I personally need some food enjoyment to be present or else I've truly not got the incentive to keep it up forever 💯
They say it’s not meant to be followed to the extreme forever, just until the sick get their health back, and then they reintroduce more vegetables and maybe even eventually small amounts of animal protein. It’s really just a diet for the ill
Can you list the items in rice diet
Rice
Rice, fruit, sugar.
I really enjoyed this - it is enough food to make me full - your other interview with the lady who wrote the Rice Book who lost 140 pounds was a hoot ! She just couldn’t seem to answer 1 of your questions !!!!!!
Can we just talk about how fab Chef AJ looks????????? ❤❤❤❤❤❤
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She looks fantastic! I was thinking the same thing whatever she’s doing keep on doing girl
Right????? Like, dang girl.
Right! So stylish and a healthy glow!
Thanks for presenting this very interesting discussion. A lot of common sense. Carnivore and Keto aren’t the answer for me. Fasting is another way to restrict calories to maintain weight loss. I think rice is a miracle food and the longevity of Japanese, Chinese and Hong Kong support this. Thanks!
I'm one of the people who doesn't retain salt/fluids well, but I never heard of that syndrome you mentioned.
Isn't sugar PH neutral and it's the acid in food that rots teeth not sugar itself?
When I studied nutrition we were taught that sugar was PH neutral, unfortunately it seems that most dentists tell their patients that the sugar is ruining their teeth. The dentists fail to tell their patients how little education they received in nutrition…
It's not sugar per se - it's that bacteria that can feed off sugar (notably simple and refined sugars, but also some fruit sugars) that increases acidity in the mouth that causes the decay.
And yes, there are some foods that are more acidic naturally that are worth taking note of - vinegar, or citric acid, although these don't seem to have a drastic effect on dental decay for some people.
"moderation is a slippery slope".... So what we're really saying is that the pure 100% following is a psychological issue, not a actual dietary issue.
If someone uses a couple sprays of cooking oil to keep items from sticking, it really makes no impact on the benefit of the diet. Rather the no-oil rule is really all about mental strictness.
If a individual can use a couple sprays of oil, or eats the tiny piece of ham in the 28 ounce can of Bush's Baked beans, it really doesn't affect the diet, except in a psychological way... "slippery slope"
For those who don't have the psychological weakness, there is no problem if a "drop" of oil was used in a food or meal.
Not everyone needs handcuffs.
Long term success may work best for those who do it 95 or 99 percent. As they say, "know thyself"
Like the saying goes, “You can’t out-exercise a bad diet!”
Can the rice diet help with lipedema?
There aren't any studies on that. But it is worth a try! McDougall says if you don't get better fast. It isn't working.
1:45:50 4000 yr old solution
1:49:45 rice diet
I would bet that rather than this highly restrictive "rice" diet, if they had used the abundant "starch solution" diet, they would have gotten even better results and had much better compliance.
Curious why no one talked about the white table sugar on this diet.....
Mcdougal could you please do a video on how to gain weight? I’ve lost a lot due to stomach problems and my stomach still has a hard time eating so much fiber
Eat less fibers.
small increase of fats (nuts,seeds) should help
Add nut butters.. nuts seeds and avocados
Add sugar, McD said he adds sugar to a patient's diet if they get too light in weight, mentioned in a previous video. He wouldn't like you adding fats and often says so. Take his words though, not mine, watch more of his vids.
I really recommend medical medium monoeating on potatoes - life saver !!!
It was the salt restriction. Same in Gerson therapy
Another good video by some very smart people
The rice diet program was starvation diet? I’ve seen the program - 1 cup of rice lunch amd dinner with a piece of fruit and only fruit for breakfast? It’s barely enough to survive… am I wrong ? Why was it so calorie restricted ? BBC it means more than a cup of rice you will put on weight ? In that way we can loose weight and heal with pretty any healthy diet…
He did not put link to the description....can someone provode a link to the last slide where it was mentioned dont eat naked carbs etc where would that be online
Hi Doc What’s a good rice diet to experiment eating as a dialysis patient to experience a better quality of life please!!!
Wow. I suspect I have syndrome of inappropriate antidiuretic hormone. I know even without sodium restriction at least half my hospital labs over the years show hyponatremia. And I have discovered when I tried to do the Rice Diet that I would get sick really quickly. I timed it once with labs and what I had suspected was low blood sodium was indeed low blood sodium, However I need this diet due to hypertension and kidney disease. I want to protect and heal my kidneys.
i have chronic pancreatitis,will this rice diet help or coz more damage?
Sugar alone doesn't rot teeth... sugar and oil (candy) rot teeth... just like washing dishes, no oil so easy to clean, with oil much more difficult to clean and need to use detergent...
you don't get plaque on your teeth after eating a lot of sugar? i do, feel like i need to clean them
@@peterscuba so you eat plain sugar ?
@@anir8023 Yeah upped my sugar intake last couple years, Triglycerides are now 81 which is pretty good. Theory is when you first go HCLF triglycerides can temporarily jump as fat breaks down in the blood
@@peterscuba u doing Durianrider protocol ?
@@anir8023 Mixture Dr John McDougall and Durianrider, I'm not vegan
Renegade. Love it.
Love any interview with Dr. Frank Neelon, who personally knew Dr. Kempner. I'm reading the Rice Diet book right now. It seems simple enough, if you follow the 4 Phases to the letter, to promote healing and weight loss. From what I've read so far, you have to have a strong desire and commitment to do it. The book says many don't have the discipline or mindset, and give up. (Probably best to be not monitored and tracked for accountability.) But also, it says many can and do succeed. Probably starting a channel and posting progress would help someone stay accountable to themselves. Just a thought.
which rice diet book? the one by one of his patient gave a different account of what she ate..rice diet report differs from the first comment..someone said the book called the rice diet by barbara something is just an autobiography with no actual diet..he said just buy the cookbook,..where is the actual plan from kempner himself? the guy above said 4 phases...the report says six...can someone post an actual pdf of kempners actual diet?
It would be really great if you could create channel on RUclips and document the process.
@@Investap Ha Ha - thanks for the input. I think I fall into the "don't have enough discipline" category. But I'll give it some serious consideration. Thanks!
I eat 9 cups of rice everyday with a lot of veggies for 6 months. Then I had my blood test . My cholesterol, triglycerides, ldl was high and the rice is the caused of it but my blood sugar becomes normal
I have sleep apnea but I am not overweight, I weight 120 with 5”2’
This can happen, regardless of weight, often it's due to the shape of your neck/back of your mouth OR you've got Central Sleep Apnea instead of Obstructive Sleep Apnea.
Where can I find Dr. Kempner’s height/ weight chart?
Gout? I l have three joints that have recovered from gout. I love steak but if I eat it I know I will get a fresh swollen joint with painful gout. It is easy to avoid steak as it will cause me horrid pain. I do not wish to take medications.
We can put sugar in the rice?
Hello, does anyone know if this diet would work for orthostatic hypertension. When I’m lying down my blood pressure is pretty good but if I sit or stand it shoots through the roof. I’m already slender for my size so the 800 calorie version of this diet would be a problem.
Nutritional Changes and Early Warning of Moldy Rice under
Different Relative Humidity and Storage Temperature
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They should make plates that have correct proportions so measuring would be taken care of , plus daily exercise
Put your bowl on a scale. Zero out. Weigh the portion in grams.
What is amazing about Dr. Neelon is that at 86 years old he doesn't have nasolabial folds.
Hospitals are called "Krankenhaus" in German which literally means " House of the sick".
Only cook the amount of rice you are going to eat. It is not recommended to store rice more than a day if that even.
Excellent video. Loved listening to all of you!!
Love this ❤
Very good.
Ive heard that liposuction does help diabetes.
Himalayan salt or sea salt is also bad?
No! Sea salt is loaded with minerals. Without these kind of salt (not table salt) our heart won’t fire properly. Our heart needs salt. There is electricity firing happening in our heart and it need minerals especially salt to function properly. People who don’t use or use little salt has heart palpitations problems. Heart beat abnormally. I’m not a doctor, I just happened to studied nutrition/dietary. My vertigo/dizziness healed by using Celtic salt in my warm water. I put a pinch of Celtic salt and sip it throughout the day. People who pass out get treated with salt in the hospital. My spouse pass out at work , they took him to hospital and he was given a sodium .
Im fine w a bit of all other startches, but everytime I eat a handful of rice I an SUPER bloated and gain weight overnight
Not everyone has insurance and furthermore mine won’t even cover for a nutritional list unless I am already diabetic. The way I will say this is that you are not seeking a medical expert to eat garbage and order pizza and enjoy wings then why do you need to procrastinate on making an amazing change like eating rice and vegetables and potatoes? Just something to think about
Seeking a doctors guidance is always nice, but I got to say I doubt it would make a difference if you are eating like trash to switch to healthy foods such as the ones described in this video
Is there a chance that Dr. Neelon would practice via a Telemed Internet room? Dr. Jerome Corsi (PhD) plans to re-open his Telemed sytem in Oct. 2023.
Lord, I can’t believe that doctors 88 and so incredibly alert and yes I think a little sugar’s okay
But I thought Dr lysle and Dr McDougal say eat until you’re satiated ye the says count calories so I’m confused 😐
I love both these guys, but Who has time to watch a two hour video?
Jasmin rice makes good milk
Going HCLF appears to increase triglycerides, after a year mine went up from 45 to 113mg%
Ouch
@@anir8023 then back down to 81 which is more like it, 45 seems low
@@peterscuba What did you do to decrease your triglycerides after?
@@sannamuh985 i just continued with HCLF and triglycerides went down as others said it would
There is lots of rice varieties
Isn’t rice has arsenic?! And glyphosate in beans and grains freak me out
@@peter5.056 I second your recommendation.
@@marleri lundberd organic from California is safe.
Brown rice has most arsenic, polished white basmati is much lower indeed
I guess black rice is poison ☠️
Yaaaay rice and potatoes
Do you ever make shorter videos?
Unbelievable as all I want to know is why white is better than brown or black rice. I know about the arsenic but washing correctly removes a lot. I can’t see how eating a pain bland diet works as we need minerals
Type 2 diabetes rice and blood sugar . Does not fit into Keto diet , if they have few calories then they would loose weight and if one doesn’t eat often then it will work and as you have done this good for them that have benefited. If obese people do this then they will be fine and probably produce ketones,
Hey 👋🏻
My grandma developed gout at 97 and it went away after she stopped eating all hours of the day and night. FASTING longer every day sorted it out, no medication needed. Not sure if that would apply to more severe cases, but it did for her, after her doctor diagnosed her extreme toe pain as gout.
dr Neelon is older than mcdougall and looks much better, even younger...