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Melee's Fiercest Arms Race: Hungrybox vs. Armada
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- Опубликовано: 17 авг 2024
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It's July 17th, 2016, and Melee is on the biggest stage in fighting games. Two players remain in the Evolution Melee bracket -- two players who had spent the past five years engaging in one of the craziest arms races Melee has ever seen, remaking the game in their own image in the process.
The greatest stories in Melee can come from the most innocuous of matches. Regardless of the era of Smash you started playing in, there exists a deep appreciation of how the game, its techniques, and its most fierce rivalries have evolved over the years.
And in this 10-part documentary series, I’ll be taking a deep dive into some of the sets that have been considered by many to be the greatest.
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Fair argument for the greatest set of all time.
I will say however, you have not seen me vs my friend, drunk out of our minds at 3am playing DK dittos.
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@@sluj9461 lmao
lmao valid
You know, he's got a point
im so happy this is a universal experience
Walt’s in his Summoning Salt phase rn
definitely more of an overt SB Nation reference but yeah kinda
summoning walt
@@Sskipster Yeah, these types of videos aren't really Summoning Salt-like. I've gotten kind of tired of any sort of storytelling when it comes to video games being compared to Summoning Salt. Yeah, that dude is okay for speedrun history, but there's so many other greats on this website that do the storytelling thing better than him. I like these better than Summoning Salt for sure. EmpLemon has the greatest Smash video of all time, as well as the greatest video on this website in his Stanislav Petrov one. Jon Bois has incredible stories in his Pretty Good series, the ones he's doing on Patreon are incredible right now. Lemmino is another amazing one.
I know this is going to be an unpopular opinion, but Summoning Salt had great videos back in the day, but everyone else has caught up to him and he's gotten stale. His videos are too formulaic at this point, while with channels like this there isn't that whole "I can tell what's coming next by the way he's wording things" that comes with watching a Summoning Salt video. Bismuth is even a better Summoning Salt at this point for me.
@@Alexander_Granthater pilled but you raise good points
@@water0000 It's just a couple paragraphs, not even neatly constructed enough to be an essay. Crazy how people just out themselves as being illiterate.
i could listen to armada talk about melee history for hours
smiling raven is cursed af in a still image change it now
i thought it was an old Armada interview, but i guess Walt found time to call Armada down for a chat specifically for this series?
@@Appletank8 I actually shot this interview with Adam back in 2023 but never got around to using it for anything - I knew I eventually wanted to do a piece on his rivalry with Hbox so I’m glad he was so open to talking about it here! (The full interview is available on my Patreon btw)
Juan's reaction to the win, and especially his interview afterwards where he opens up about his father always, without fail, makes me tear up. What a guy.
That reaction was totally forced man. He has had a history of faking his reactions in order to get more attention. He has since reduced it when people started catching onto it.
His interview about his biological father passing wasn’t after evo 2016, It was actually after Dreamhack 2015. would’ve been insane if they had lined up, but they were months apart
@@phil_maticHe does, but not this time
His pop off at EVO was NOT planned and wasn't exagerrated, you just dont understand how hard it was for HBox to always place 2nd at EVO, to always be in the shadows of everyone else and to always lose to Armada
And this set was just insanely stressful
And he has NOT reduced it ? His pop offs are arguably bigger nowadays
@@strylon2277 I respectfully disagree. Perhaps it wasn't planned because there's a chance he could lose, but he knew if he was to win, he was going to be super dramatic with his reaction. He has beaten Armada prior to this at Dreamhack, it's not like he never was able to beat Armada. It's completely fabricated. I wouldn't say his pop offs are bigger because he stopped the whole fake crying routine
@@phil_matic As someone who tends to pop off after winning intense sets I just think you dont get it. It's completely impossible to entirely fake pop offs, you can ham them up more, but there has to be some genuine emotion to pull from. I mean, just look at IBDW's reverse pop off, pulling that pop off from nothing made him so lightheaded it he had to hold onto somebody to not fall over. I dont think you understand how much bad faith is required to think that hbox's pop off there was "entirely forced man", you just lack internet empathy and see people on your screen as targets to bring down.
God I love this series. Evo 2016 still has such a special place in my heart, being there in person, competing and watching top 8 in the arena was truly incredible. No other tournament that I've been to has had quite the same feeling.
I can´t wait for aMSa vs Mang0 at big house 10, we all know that set has to be in this series of the greatest sets
“The Most Eggceptional Set In Melee History” should be the title of the video.
it is funny, cause while Mango Vs Armada is undoubtedly THE Melee rivalry, in a lot of ways Armada and Hungrybox goes deeper
-Armada getting brutalized by Puff at Apex 2010
-Armada picking up Young Link to counter Puff
-Hbox struggling immensely with the matchup, only really getting a leg up in one set of Apex 2012
-Breaking out NESS to try and counter Armada at Aprex 2013, failing and falling back to Puff
-Then breaking out a Falco and Fox to try and deal with it, while more successful they ultimately fail
-Hbox finally conquering the matchup at Evo 2014
-Down 0-2 at Paragon Orlando, Armada elects to bring out his Fox as the new counter
-Armada goes on a tear in 2015, winning 5/6 sets leading into Dreamhack
-At Dreamhack Hbox brings Crunch to coach him for the FInals and obtains his first Supermajor since Apex 2010
-Coaching is then restricted in some fashion, but Hbox fires off the first half of 2016 to contend as best in the world
-EVO 2016, nuff said, only for Hbox to fumble in the last half to finish 2nd to Armada
-2017 starts off okay for Hbox, but Armada is looking unstoppable following his 2nd EVO win
-Hungrybox proceeds to win a staggering five tournaments in a row to pry the No. 1 spot from Armada's fingers
-Despite being in prime position to take the No. 1 spot, Armada elects to retire after Smashcon 2018 (This is a complicated one, as there's a decent argument that Armada's citation for no longer having fun was referring to dealing with Puff. I'm 50/50, cause the most anxiety I've seen of Armada on camera is when he just narrowly made Top 8 at EVO 2018 over Zain)
Whereas Armada and Mango were about putting together some amazing sets and their battle of nations, Armada and Hbox feels more personal. This character I don't like, this person denies me my assured victory, they are relentless in figuring me out, describing it as an arms race is spot on
You missed Smash Summit 6. Armada beat Hbox and gave off the most emotional pop off I've ever seen him done. I really think once he proved to himself that he could best Hbox in 2018 there wasn't a whole lot of challenges left, and honestly who wants to fight Jigglypuff for every GF moving forwards...
@@NemesisCOD Good point I'd forgotten about that one! There's also Smash n Splash 3 where Hbox finally broke his losing streak against Armada and he popped off MUCH harder (Broke his foot) than when he won the tournament over Leffen so this feeling sounds mutual
It's genuinely incredible how long the old heads have been playing melee at this point
Seeing baby hbox and armada give me the feels ... still shout "lfg!!!" seeing these games to this day
happening to be on youtube as a walt video was uploaded is the best thing that will happen to me today
Hello there
Having a rivalry in a game series is a hell of a feeling. While leagues below them, I had a solid rivalry for a while ever since I started going to locals with another player in the region, and I think my time competing would’ve been a lot less enjoyable without that to push me.
Thumbnail had me thinking this was False Swipe Gaming lol
Immaculate video. Combines awesome narrative of the rivalry, first-hand accounts from the players, great technical analysis, wrapped up in a deliciously edited banger! I'll always hold their EVO set to be one of the best of melee's history and you really showcased why better than I'd ever be able to explain.
HELL YEAH. This is the set that got me into spectating melee. Absolutely incredible gameplay
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What up sigma😏 Didn’t know you were here
I don't know if I would say "forgotten"
More like, “brought up in therapy”
Oooh Walt retelling this LETSGOO
I can’t wait to see the YL storyline, the NESS vs YL, Paragon 2015 Fox debut, Evo 2016, GT-X, Smash n Splash 4 etc
Edit: Closed at Evo 2016 but godamn that was beautiful
Walt is so right, not just to the general Melee public but to me too, I’m such a huge Mango fan and always will be, but Melee’s got underappreciation for this rivalry and defense in general ❤️🔥
There's no player I miss seeing compete more than Armada, and it feels so validating to watch you honor this era of Melee's history that captured my heart
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I miss her too 😔
We all do
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She was a great lay 😢
Jett main in the making
This is the set that really made me fall in love with melee in specific, and why I'm still around to this day. I love your videos so much Walt thank you
This is my favourite Melee set of all time, I'm grateful that you decided to invest time and effort in this. Keep it up.
"Welcome, to a moment in history" got me. Love the bits of Summoning Salt and Secret Base, fueled by Walt's and Walt's team's incredible editing and writing skills. God I've been loving this a lot!
Also, it pains me that EVO 2016 was freaking 8 years ago :O
I actually had the pleasure of meeting Armada once. I used to live in a small flat in central Gothenburg back in 2009, together with a close friend. We always had tons of people over, several computors and of course an old tv with a Gamecube and Melee. Melee was the name of the game, but we were just casual players who were often drunk or high (or both). The flat was just called "Lägenheten" or "The apartment" by all of it's regulars. One of my friends met this one Melee player at this youth centre and this stranger ended up living with us in the apartment since he had just lost his apartment and we needed help covering the rent. This dude was leagues above us in skill, he knew how to wave dash, and animation cancel, combos and all that stuff. When me and my flatmate went on vacation during the summer, we left this dude to be in charge of stuff while we were gone. After two weeks we came back to a complete and utter Melee fest. The dude had invited over Armada and his brother and some other of the top players in Sweden and they had apparently been non-stop grinding Melee for almost two weeks. Armada and his brother were both really nice kids. It was quite unexpected. He completely wrecked my Puff, which was not quite as unexpected.
that 2016-2018 run is legendary
it's gonna be a good day when walt posts another video, also some of the funniest sponsor readings ive seen
This was the first set I've ever watched of Melee. It's the greatest set ever played, and is the reason I still love the game today.
This set will always be the absolute peak of Melee for me. I will never forget me and a bunch of friends gathering in a basement to watch Evo 2016 top 8. The sheer levels of hype and excitement we had throughout this match were unforgettable. This set may be the greatest level of competition I will ever have the honor of watching
Walt, this is THE BEST VIDEO YOU’VE EVER MADE! And that’s saying a lot because you have a lot of bangers. This is summoning salt quality. As a HBox fan in 2016 this is my favourite set of all time and this video does it justice. Keep it up.
“I hope he sees me now” always gets me man.
This dude was told by so many people that he wouldn’t make it and he never let that or anything else stop him. Seeing that evo set, his interviews, his passion, he really is Melee to me, in its purest form.
You really gotta respect hbox growth and passion for this game, the dude went from a melee killer to one of its biggest representatives, he's so fun to watch now
Haven't even watched the vid yet but why haven't more people talked about this!! Truly the most insane story and iconic set ever played
Man what a rivarly. Thanks for the great video Walt!
Incredible video, Summoning Walt
these two are my favorite long-time top 10 players, and this video was incredible! I've always admired the way they try to pick each other apart, even though it's not the flashiest. the puff/fox matchup in particular is always so tense and explosive despite being lower on the crazy combos
This is shedding serious new light into my favourite Melee sets because of the level of mindgames and miniscule decision-making Hbox and Armada needed to make. Each match uncovered new options and avenues for each and they both ran with it to the best of their abilities at the highest level
Evo 2016 was one of the first big tournaments I remember watching in all of smash and they're some of the most vivid memories I have as a spectator. Staying up past midnight on a school night to watch the whole top 8 but specifically hbox vs armada's game 10 grand finals gave me chills. I'm far more disconnected from competitive smash nowadays since graduating from college, but this grand finals is something I still think back upon fondly from time to time.
I never knew most of the history leading up to that moment but now that I do it makes the moment even more historic. Great video
everytime i see that hungry box pop off after he wins evo i get a little teary eyed. its melee and sport at its truest form
HMW being so pissed at the time outs is hilarious
ONE OF THE BEST SMASH VIDEOS EVER!!!!
you are at the forefront of preserving the history of this amazing game, and i'm thankful every time you post. appreciate you so much!
EmpLemon's Hungrybox video is still the best Smash documentary.
debatably the best set in melee history but undeniably the best pop off in melee history. still gets me emotional seeing it as its the culmination of all of hbox's pain, hard work, and dedication to this game and then some (a close second is when hbox passed out on stream)
CRAZY that we're getting so much good stuff from you in such a short period of time. Big ups to everyone who contributed
I love this video and it brought me back to watching a lot of these sets live back in the day. Though at the end when you said "and this is why this should be considered the greatest set of all time." My brain frame one was like "but did you see mango at royal flush though?"
Thanks for all the great videos!
Thought I was watching an SB Nation/Secret Base rewinder video when I heard "Welcome to a moment in history." Great video as always Walt truly my goat
The frame Mang0 got his shield up at the first in person Summit Post-Covid Game 10, Grand Finals was the most money lost in a single frame, so that one takes my vote as the most significant frame.
been loving the secret base/jon bois-like editing recently, with the google earth animations on tdfu and the deep rewind style of this video
Wow. I already loved this Melee set, but this doc made me realize even more how this was so important and incredible.
The two sets that stand out above all others are this one, and zain vs mango at summit. Both insane sets, both have a back story to them, both incredibly important to melee's future.
To date, this is still my favorite fighting game match ever
Glad to see a video on this, one of the most underrated sets in the conversation for greatest set of all time.
I never was a big fan of the faster paced matches in Melee. As a kid, I always played against the AI in slo mo mode, and I think HBox's slower, methodical approach always appealed to me. Pretty sure that's why he's always been my favorite Melee player
I still remember watching that set and talking about it in class the next day--finding out a bunch of people who watched other fighting games pay attention to Melee. Good times
This really was a great set and has aged extremely well with time.
Really got to commend the quality of this series so far, awesome stuff
Im glad to see he still has the leather jacket. That thing is iconic
We've seen HBox's heartrate go well over 120bpm nearly killing himself at 180. Standing up is literally a power play from HBox that Wizzrobe needs to adopt. Like taking your belt of at the buffet, players that have the Blackout Factor literally can't spare any blood in their bodies or they risk passing out from being unable to absorb oxygen.
Taking a random guess at what the remaining 7 are because I think that'd be fun
1) Mango vs Amsa Big House 10
2) Mango vs Zain Summit 11
3) Axe vs Wizzrobe Summit 8
4) Mango vs Armada Royal Flush
5) Zain vs Cody Shine 2023
6) PPMD vs Leffen or Armada Apex 2015
7) Mango vs Armada Genesis 2 (or 1 or 3?)
still my favorite set ever as someone who watches and follow the scene since 2015
I miss armada bro, hurts to see my gods retire. The new generation is great but the gods and the peak of melee will not be replaced
Love love love the style of video like SB does on the Deep Rewind of “moments in sports history” for this type of video, perfect subject to do it on.
It still blows my mind to this day that the best Melee player in the world is a Tap-Jumper.
I just realized that this is like Rewind from Secret Base lol
I love EVO 2016 Melee Grand Finals
it’s hard to watch this whenever the music is iconic to summoning salt
Always making such analytical and human stories. Thanks walt
I really appreciate that evo match even more now that I know all this back story
The crazy part is the 17-18 Rivalry is just as good
i c ur editing style has improved a lot! using summoning salt music is unique/basseeeddd and what god tier youtubers do fsho 😎😎
Back before Brawl, when i tried to do Melee in high school, i gravitated to Puff as my character. That first time Mango beat Mew2King on Corneria was SO DANG HYPE. Made me feel a little bit betrayed to hear he went to Fox later, so HBox was the one for me.
I didn't actually follow Melee throughout the years though. Only in the last few have i found these wonderful documentaries on RUclips, on both the games and the players.
All the Gods of Melee deserve those titles, plus the ones who weren't around at the time and are just below or now up and coming. If you told me there'd be a Yoshi and DK winning major tournaments back in 2007 I'd call you crazy.
I hope Smash doesn't end with Ultimate. I know it probably will never have that same roster given the crazy DLC licenses, but still.
Hbox Armada is my personal favorite rivalry from my time watching melee. It never got the praise that I felt like it deserved, so its great to see it get some justice.
As someone that is born and raised in las vegas, that is such a dope title shot location
Forgotten??? This is one of the biggest rivalries of all time lol.
Melee is represented by the White vs Blue matchup; Fox vs Marth/Falco
But the best players in the world were a PinkGreen match up.
23:40 wow… I can’t believe I haven’t seen this shot yet. Iconic
Loving this new style! Keep it up Walt
@22:21 - this the moment hbox gained many fans. seeing that reaction of overcoming a major foe is priceless.
These videos are awesome, thank you Walt
I wonder if Armada ever thinks back to Evo 2016 and regrets allowing Hbox to go back to Battlefield for Game 5 of the first set..
Good lord I love getting baked and watching your videos
I miss the Hbox & Crunch Bromance
I love the illustration style of the thumbnail.
It's not always the set itself, its the history behind it.
"welcome to a moment in history" he said the thing!
ad read went craaaaaaazy
Im waiting patiently for an amsa video for this series, please
shoutouts to Jackie Peanuts for an incredible script here 😤
bros feeling these docs at this point. S Tier
This is the best melee ever played period.
Previous thumbnail was significantly better weirdchamp
Ok we're back
if there is such a set that is the greatest of all time it's this one if my friend is getting into melee this is one of the first sets I recommend it's just so exciting and interesting
Walt does it again. Amazing movie
Fox puff is my favorite matchup! It's always so intense!
i'm not gonna lie i cried watching hbox pop off
I miss the good old days of melee
What’s cool about this is that they counterpicked down the tier list
FalseSwipeGaming type thumbnail? I’m so here for it
Dang dude evo 2016. What a time, armada was invincible before this
Great stuff from the gang once again
This was great, I hope it does really well!