Overvolting 18V Tools to Death
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- Опубликовано: 24 июл 2024
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Today we discuss the leaked info and images on the Milwaukee Gen 3 High Torque 2967-20 and M18 FORGE 6Ah (stacked lithium pouch cell) batteries which claim to give an extra 100 ft-lbs on the tool in this case.
Along with making our own versions using the 2767, a Flex 10Ah stacked lithium battery and 1" cordless impacts Ingersoll-Rand W9691 and M18 2868.
As always, the creator of this channel works in product development for Astro Tools, who don't make cordless tools like these, but always consider multiple sources when looking at a tool!
0:00 What's New
0:55 1" Ingersoll-Rand
2:49 M18 Drill Hopped Up
5:58 Info on Gen 3
7:53 High Torque Hopped Up
10:12 M18 1" Impact Hopped Up 
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Congrats on 300k, good job! You deserve a lot more :)
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You should test the 3.5 flex pouch cell on the Flex mid torque.
Great to see Milwaukee getting pouch cell batteries soon. This video was very close to my heart I love this kind of content
Also if you can test the Milwaukee mid torque 1/2 inch with a power stack 1.7 and 5.0 it would be amazing.
If you wanted to test how the tools work with an essentially unlimited battery capacity, why not pick up a 16,000mah (16Ah) 5S/6S hobby grade RC battery, and use a 3d printed adapter to adapt an AS150 (150A continuous current rated) to the tool. One of those should be pretty easy to adapt to any tool that any of the adapters work for, and you’d have a battery that could supply literally thousands of watts of power without breaking a sweat.
This would also let you hook up a current measuring device so you could see how many watts an impact pulls from the battery, or even see how efficient things like drills and die grinders are by comparing the watts in vs the watts out. I think that would be extremely interesting. As a bonus, those hobby lipo packs (which is the same stuff all the tool manufacturers are using for their stacked pouch cell batteries, as far as I can tell) cost $200-$300 each, so it’s not really more expensive than the tool manufacturer ones, except the hobby grade ones would almost certainly pack more of a punch per dollar spent.
Would work great
but a 240 volt AC to 24 volt DC converter could do 3500watt at 145 amp and do it indefinitely can be set from 22volt up to 28volt for 1200$ us not cheap but not really expensive
No charge time and will deliver constant voltage forever
Battery don't last and RC battery are notorious to swell when pushed hard
People, upvote this please lol
@@legros731 sure, but the battery setup I mentioned would be ~$250, and while hobby batteries can swell when being pushed hard, a 16,000mah pack having even 150A or so being pulled for 30+ seconds isn't really pushing that pack hard. Most of those packs are rated around 15C - which works out to a 240A continuous discharge rating.
I've worked with those big packs a fair bit on heavy lift drones and they really don't puff all that often.
That being said, I don't disagree that a power supply would probably be a superior solution for testing purposes. I just kind of want to build a battery setup like I described for my own purposes so I thought I'd suggest it.
@@KaminKevCrew I said it would work great but if you want repeatability for testing purposes ( the goal of this channel) being cost affordable is of no concern here
A battery is not the best solution in this particular case but to actually use the tool to work with , your solution make way more sense and would beat pretty anything commercially available
@@legros731 a big advantage of using a hobby pouch cell is you can use 100C rated packs so instead of 150A you get 1500A out of a 15AH setup which is basically unobtainable on a normal power supply unless you want to just use a massive welder as a psu.
and for connectors you can just start using dins welder connectors
It would be cool to see a power supply feeding the equipment so we know what the absolute max potential the unit can support. Would also give a % rating to “corded potential” with battery comparisons too.
Corded, at least in the US, in most cases would mean less watts/power to make use of than these batteries. We've been trying
@@TorqueTestChannel at least with regular wall socket 120v/15a. You'd need to probably find a DC power supply that could deliver I'd guess 200+ amps at 20v, so 4000ish watts, so ~20 amp 240v input.
Cordless has already gone beyond 2kw (input), which is about all you'll get out of a typical 120v 20A circuit.
It WOULD be cool to see the input watt numbers as well as the dyno numbers to check overall mechanical efficiency, though.
@@TorqueTestChannel nah nah you're just not thinking big enough. Three phase babyyy
@@cian.horgan Hahaha true
I am proud to say I found this channel within its first few videos. Man its been an absolute pleasure watching this channel evolve and inovate in ways I never thought possible and consistently produce some of the best content on this platform. Keep up the amazing work TTC and Congrats on 300k.
Couldn't have said it better. 100% agree
You're proud you've witnessed someone else's achievements? K
@@benw4401yeah man it's called being supportive of a channel that you enjoy.
I still remember stumbling upon your channel long ago. Remember when you started using those live moving graphs. So many good memories. I always knew this channel would take off but it’s so good to see you being rewarded for all you do. Congrats on 300k subscribers and as always, I’m very thankful that you allowed me to be a moderator for the channel.
Channel started 2 years ago. Not that long.
@@musguelha14 November 11th of 2020. First video on the channel was posted that day. For some… that’s not a “long time” but for me it is.
It's about time Milwaukee stepped up their high torque since it was getting passed by competitors
They do it on purpose. As they changed the game
Still the best brand as a whole. Nobody else has as many options that aren't trash.
Something common I see with Milwaukee is - they may not rush to release tools, but when they do it is well thought, designed, tested and performing tool (most of the times).
Yep but look how long it took and they used the Milwaukee impact as the impact to beat lol
@eliadbu TTI uses ridgid as its guinea pig for testing. Ridgids octane high torque is a beast! I've had good luck with milwaukee. I like that my mac dealer carries them just in case of warranty
See it's content like this that makes this channel so awesome! Congrats on 300k you guys deserve it and more!! As always thank you for uploading. 👍👍
Hell yeah! Nice shout-out to 3DPrintedAdapters!!! Jeffery custom made me some Hitachi/Metabo HPT to Worx adapters, so that I could use my 8Ah Metabo batteries on a HydroShot Ultra.
Congrats on 300K guys! Awesome! I want to let you guys know that I build M18 packs with Lipo packs from time to time and have one that is 5ah 5S LIPO and if you want we can parallel 2 and get our very own 10ah power stack. It won't be pretty but hey this ain't no beauty pageant 😂. If you guys wanted I would even send you one I have as a make shift M18 10ah. It uses the original BMS board and connector plate from an original M18 pack so it should be 99% safe...
Excellent content, I love the TTC channel.
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Finally a new one after 6 to 7 years. Congrats on the 300k you should be in the millions definitely one of the best channels out there by far
You are a far better channel than RUclips deserves. Congratulations, and may your future successes far overshadow your present ones.
You could rewire the dead IR impact to use an off the shelf ESC. That way you could have way more rpm,, not to mention it would be cheaper as well. They have bldc motors, so In theory... you could try out the limits of every tools hammer assemblies pretty easily. You would even have the ability to check the tools output at set power input (eg.: 100W test Milwaukee vs Makita).
Strangely i really enjoy watching your channel after long day. Keep up the good work and congrats on the 300K subs.
What he said.
I have no practical need for any of this, since even my Ridgid R86211B will take off any nut I would realistically ever encounter, but I'm addicted to yet ridiculousness of all these torque tests.
I think TTC's shenanigans fills the hole in my heart that formed after Mythbusters left the air...
Yesssss some efficiency/mod potential would be cool too.
Congrats on 300k, proud to say I have been here supporting yall since sub 10k keep it up guys
TTC is the greatest gift to the internet. Awesome content!
I think it’s only fair to see these batteries on all the other tool manufacturers. I bet the budget tools will surprise us if given the power boost
Grats on 300k guys! Can't wait to see what a Milwaukee "Forge" Battery is!
Nice too see the battery adapters tested
you guys have been on a roll lately cranking out episodes, keep it up!
you guys are the reason I was able to convince a co-worker that the torque claims on the package weren't correct, and stop him from under torquing a guide rod nut by over 500 ft-lbs. Spec was 1350 ft-lbs, and he wanted to use a regular 1/2" high torque on it. I've subscribed since before then, but it's been worth it.
No idea what application you are talking about. I would think torque+angle would be easier for such a high torque spec.
@@connor3288 guide rods for a 2 ton die, needed a hytorc hydraulic torque wrench.
I e been here since your first days and love it. Congrats on 300k. Milwaukee knew they needed to up the beans this is why I love the competition bringing it.
Hey guys, just wanted to say KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK! You guys rule the torque world I watch daily!
Awesome video. Really cool to see the difference that load voltage and current can play on different setups, some worked better than others obviously 😂
hey, I don't believe that the IR is totally dead, it's likely that the circuit in the trigger has burned out, a new trigger should revive it.
It would be interesting to see if the Kobalt stuff gets a boost from the flex pouch batteries or maybe even just the regular flex one's.
And maybe the Kobalt 8ah ultimate output battery
I have been watching your videos for a while now. I subscribed right away after seeing the first video. I always look forward to when your new videos drop.
I got hooked on this channel due to me constantly wanting an impact wrench but can't make up my mind. Now I got Dewalt sticking to Dewalt but curious to see how other brands stack up. UGGA DUGGA!
Easiest sub ever. Premium tool content that's in depth and tested in what matters.
Plus shenanigans.
I just subscribed yesterday. You have some of the absolute best information and testing I have seen regarding these products. I am very interested to see where this channel will go. I have 2 suggestions of things I would love to see, firstly I would really like a good better best line up for common tools such as pneumatic torque wrenches and such to show which has the best value at each price point. Additionally, it would really intrigue me to see you test the mueller kuepes air tools. They only have 2, but I have seen both be used by several different heavy deisel mechanics. Thank you very much for all the quality content.
Hey thank you for subscribing and bringing a positive atmosphere to the community. Always share your ideas here and don’t forget to spread the word about the channel. Have a great day and welcome to the community.
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Another Great Video. Sorry to see the IR temporarily shut down. Hopefully the new Milwaukee is better than the last update. Thanks for your testing.
Congratulations on 300k subscribers I am sure when the new batteries come out there will be a lot of fun things to test
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x2 on this, congrats on 300k!
Now we just need a Gen 2 M12 FUEL Stubby that is geared toward the new XC5.0 High Output and CP2.5 High Output packs. Also would like to see a triple light ring similar to the Gen 3 impact driver!
I saw one of these gen 3's being demo'd at some kind of event vs a blacked out DeWalt.
So obviously I had to check if you guys had caught a wiff of this!
I love seeing you guys messing with the battery adapters! I've been doing this for a while now, however my usage comes from having a mix of both Ryobi and Milwaukee in my work van (3 Ryobi tools total vs 10+ Milwaukee) and I had zero interest in actually running multiple batteries.
So a $30 adapter later and I've got nothing my Milwaukee batteries in my van!
Clear sign that Milwaukee includes circuits to protect their tools and/or batteries into their tools.
They do, I have m18 hammer drill.
One time that I pushed it hard when drilling several long bores in concrete using holesaw, either the tool or the battery entered to thermal protection for several minutes. Better the tool take a break than it biting the dust.
You guys are nuts!!!, I love it.!
Thank you. Really enjoy your vids
Thnaks for risking it for the biscuit on the IR. Epic win or lose, I'd throw the dice too.
Man I found you when you were a kid before RUclips, crazy to see you now
Keep an eye on Lowes. I bought the Flex back handle saw with a 10ah stacked battery for $255. An absolute steal. Lowes seems to randomly clearance Flex tools with different prices by store.
You guys do great work i get excited when i see your video's show up
Nice to see things moving forward at Milwaukee with development of pouch cell batteries. I'd love it if they made some pouch batteries for the M12 line, too, where small form factor is a priority.
Yeah, the M12 fuel vacuum and die grinders could really use a stacked pouch, especially because they can’t easily have 21700 cells.
Funny you mention that, I have a matco 16v battery that I converted to lipo, with a modified M12 right angle impact to accept it, I kept all the balance charging and it still charges with the matco charger, I haven't had time to test it alot but I can tell you it definitely rpms higher, it sounds like a jet engine 😂 0:47
I wish Milwaukee would have set the motor at an angle to the handle like IR has on their 1/2", or even how the M12 stubby is. Makes it so much easier to reach into places. It would have made the decision to upgrade from the 2767 easier, but for now, I'll stick with what I have
Can't wait to see a hot rod IR! Put a dedicated ESC that can take all the volts and amps, then use the DeWilt FlexVolts to get hairy. G'damn!
Just went out today and bought a 2967 after watching your review!
Love it. That’s for all the work you do !!
Way to go TTC 🤘 300k+ subs. Keep up the great work!
Well you're informative with your videos... and NOT boring with it.
How NOT to subscribe?
Well done. Hope you get your mil soon enough.
Hi,the Ingersol Rand would be impressive to test with the the Flex batteries,and for that purpose probably most accessible would be an ebike brushless controller for suitable voltage (think 60Volts) and loads of amps,mounted underneath the IR impact wrench.
Needs connecting the power,3 phase to motor,hall sensors from IR to ebike controller and trigger aka throttle to controller (possible a different one than stock IR trigger).
Let me know your thoughts,I am not an electronics engineer but a bit of information help might add;think from 300K subscribers is possible to find someone with better knowledge to point you in the right direction.
Wish you success and thanks for keeping up and updating.
Hope the idea to be of help,
IR motor should work fine with the increased voltage ,the brushless controller is the sensible part which burned-out.
Changing that for a higher voltage rated one should do the trick although not as compact as stock IR controller.
This reminds me of some good old times when you could throw 14v batteries (had more ah than 12v) in 12v Festool drills. They would run on so much higher rpm and more pixies that you would burn the crap out of the trigger every few months or so. Im sure there's much better over voltage protection these days in those potted circuitboards you now find in them.
T.T.C , you sir , are a legend, keep up the good work bro
Saludos buen trabajo de pruebas que nos da certeza más optima y segura de lo que adquirimos y hasta donde los podemos llevar y no castigarlos al trabajar
Would love to see how the flex 10ah battery holds up on all the new dewalt monsters 😅
I'm feeling confident Mw pouch cell batteries will also be more expensive; for the same tech, capacity, and form factor as the rest that exist in tools.. But even more expensive lol ;/ DIY or experienced ones making custom solutions will be ever more appreciated though
I having a real hard time deciding between Milwaukee makita and dewalt. I like how many tool categories Milwaukee has and the fact that their tools seem to constantly improve with battery upgrades. I like makitas handling characteristics. And dewalt is coming out with bangers
You can't really go wrong with any of the brand names honestly, DeWalt's battery prices suck but there's often deals if you shop around.
Chasing torque and speed specs is a fools errand. I go for comfort. Makitas tools are refined and work very very well, and are comfortable and less vibrating than Red or Yellow.
Also, if you go with a brand, you can always buy another brands tools and run them off adapter that fit your batteries. I have mostly Makita, but run a Milwaukee Brad nailer off my Makita batteries, and have the reverse adapter as well, where I can run Makita tools off of Milwaukee and DeWalt batteries.
This is hilariously ironic, I’ve been trying to get my current 1/2” high torque warrantied, and have been getting the run around. They tried to get me to just buy another but I was like no with my luck once I get one the new model will drop, and here we are lol I just got mine back Monday
Would be cool to test sds drills. There is not a single person doing that. If one wants to buy a sds+ drill there is no chance to find a one proper review or test. Only ppl. unboxing it and drilling two holes - useless. Also there is a railway specific ultra beast impact driver - Robel ROMPACT E³. I've seen it in reality and you don't want to mess with it :D
Can you test it with a dewalt 5ah powerstack and adapter? Should be closer to the forge battery than the 24v flex.
Be cool if you could measure the current as it working too, awesome video as usual guys !
They are. Just divide watts by volts
God that looked like a 12/10 on the wrist breaking score.
Our requirements are pretty high to max it out, gotta leave head space for future brutal releases
Could you guys test the IR with a 72V ESC? Would be awesome to see what that motor can do before you go the gas route.
yipee more videos!
another good one! thanks for making those!
It'd be interesting seeing what would happen with the adapters on the Metabo HPT ac/dc wall adapter. A milwaukee on corded power could be an lethal combination!
Milwaukee aletlerinde aşırı ısınma koruması elektronik koruma olmadığı ac adaptör üretilmiyor sadece batarya aşırı ısınırsa zorlanırsa alet çalışmayı durduruyor ve ac adaptör özelliği sadece hikoki/metabo hpt markalarında var
Your the best! If Milwaukee is honest at 1100 then that’ll be crazy. If they use their current rating system, the dcf900 should still be stronger.
Can we get a dyno test on the DeWalt DCF900 with the Flex pouch cell and/or the 15 AmpHour FlexVolt battery?
Wonder if the new dewalt half inch impact will beat the Milwaukee impact to market? I could go either way at this point.
Congratulations on 301K
Need to put that flex pouch on the 3/4 gun
That is what o already use to pull semi truck wheel. But do ever so often find that 1 lig that takes a good beating before removing
Best episode yet!
Hey! Slap a stihl 661 power head on that junker ir gun you got there!
I wonder if the flex pouch cell battery could charge with the adapter on a milwaukee charger? If i saw correctly the flex being 24v has cells in series and parallel so itd never be able to charge with a m18 charger.
It would be nice to see Milwaukee create some sort of flex volt system that allows them to start changing from their tried and true 18v lineup to a balls to the wall 24v lineup without destroying what they’ve already started
I have never had great luck with pouch cells. With how good 18650 and 21700 cells are I really wonder how much more is really available.
Congratulations on 300K subs!
Another really cool video. I like the way you think.
Great channel glad for your success. God bless.
Is it possible for you to get a high output dc power supply and run wires to each drill. So that you can test the overall max potential of each tool when power consumption is not a constraint ?
I would think IR would fix that impact for you. Probably just some burnt up boards. It would be good PR for them.
instead of superglue and the adapters being in abs or asa, you can acetone weld them
Congratulations on 300k 🎉
Go with power level 2 for most all car bolts. Stay out of level 3 unless your working on dump trucks.
I have the 3/4 inch and ive been holding off on buying a 1/2 for this exact reason. Next gen baby oh oh boy do i have a bone to pick with some rust
Like to see more tests of Ingersoll Rand stuff
Deal
@@TorqueTestChannel maybe try to fix it - it could be something not too complicated to fix.
Yes! I really like their 1/2" impact wrench. It has the ring light around the anvil, and the motor is set at an angle to the handle, making it easier to reach into places. I wish Milwaukee would have gone that route with their newest model
for a million subscribers y'all should have a machine shop custom make a gigantic impact hammer mechanism that weighs 50-100lbs. would be so interesting to see if break some nuts and bolts
Awesome video! I'm curious, do you have any plans to test the Milwaukee Tool cordless "air hammer" whenever it comes out?
Fo sho, you seen it?
@@TorqueTestChannel saw the patent here: image-ppubs.uspto.gov/dirsearch-public/print/downloadPdf/20220371172
I've also heard some samples may have been sent into the field, but haven't gotten hands on one myself
Oh damn
Crazy, I can't wait till we get solid state batteries, that'll be the day!
Hola Torque test channel.. Que baterías son esas verdes y donde las venden.. Saludos desde Colombia
Is it possible to start do some teardowns on drills and battery packs? To show what manufacturer of batteries, motors etc. that are used making it easier to choose parts for repairs and diy upgrades and builds.
Personally I have great experience with diy power tool batteries, since they are way cheaper and can often deliver more amps than regular batteries do to using higher discharge capacity cells. Finding the right 18650 or 21700 cells to use is fairly easy since they are so common. Finding the right pouch cell to use is much more challenging since such cells are not as common.
I would love to see you test duratech impacts
The Astro Onyx "Thor" G2 (Gen 2) impact wrench was just released. Please get your hand on it and test.
Looks like TTI is fixing to drop some serious new tool stuff here, along with some new 21700 cell batteries for Ryobi.
Awesome thanks for sharing
Please do a video with both the ryobi mid and high torque with there new new hp batteries
If that IR tool is brushless, throw some RC hobby batteries and controller's at it. Will 100% be able to pump enough amps and volts to smoke the motor :)
I effing love this channel
Belle job! Ma chaîne youtube préféré, j'ai hâte que milwaukee sortent les batteries stack 😀, j'ai acheter du flex avec les pouchs cells car je me suis tanné d'attendre que milwaukee sorte les leurs (pouch cell) et en meme pas 2 semaine jai remplacer tout les outils 2 fois car il arretait de fonctionner (outils flex) donc les bateries sont vraiment malade mais le reste est pas toff pentoute ..
I'll be interested to see if the 12.0 M18 battery gets upgraded to prismatic. Not sure how that would hold up in outdoor power gear. But if anyone were to drop test one in the future, it'll have to be TTC first.
Pouch is not prismatic.
flex jus up and came out with a 10 ah stacked lithium meanwhile we gotta wait 42 more years before dewalt makes a 6ah stacked flexvolt... or go stacked with their 15ah huge heavy battery which would benefit the most from the size reduction
Time to load up the good ‘ol Klarna when this gets released
Time for milwaukee to allow its tools to run on different voltages? Option of 24/28/36/40 volt?
Can you put the pouch cells on the dcf900 ? For science of course
What about getting a knockoff M18 battery housing, and wiring some RC pouch cells into it? I’m thinking of doing that with my DeWalt 12v stuff :)
it would be nice to ci DCF900 what it can do with that flex batt...