Well I suspect the comparison being set in Atlanta probably didn’t make an argument in favour of AWD. If they did this comparison test in Minneapolis, may have a different outcome!
I have had a 2007 Odyssey a 2010 caravan a 2011 town and country and a 2012 Routan. All bought used. The Routan went to the dump when the tranny dumped at 150k. The 2011 t and c was constantly throwing codes and crazy shifting tranny. My 2007 Odyssey had 221k and was a solid van still EXCEPT for the damn cylinder deactivation. Which is still used today! Burns oil and kills motor mounts. My 2010 caravan with the old 3.8 pushrods v6 was the best and since it was not over powering the 6 spd auto always stayed in check. Soooooo the winner goes too! Oh my 2001 Toyota Sienna! She only has 130k but is literally bullet proof. Driven daily and has been in my family since new!
I bought a 2011 Routan new, now has 138k miles after 7-1/2 years and has been very reliable. We were fortunate to buy it right after they started using the new Pentastar motor and it’s been great. It has awesome power and gets 25 mpg on the highway.
1. No Kia Sedona. 2. The T&C, Grand Caravan, and Routan ARE THE SAME VEHICLE, just rebadged. 3. Predictable "best". Let's hope the VCM engine and 5-speed transmission hold up with time.
I will agree!! We own a 2007 Toyota Sienna LE and it is built to last! It can tow a lot and u can pack everything but the kitchen sink in it for vacations!!
This was great, our family choose a Chrysler. All the vans are great but the fact that Chrysler base model comes loaded is a plus. Technology is easily added by iPads and GPS equipment. Gas mileage is very important. Van can tow to, which gives dad an option to haul trailers and boats. For the price they are a great investment in family fun.
Still a great video for finding the perfect $7500 minivan. But now with 150-225k miles a passenger van might make more sense. I wish Motorweek had tested the modern Econoline and Express.
Due to an October month end deal from VW, I just bought a 2011 Routan SE w Nav & DVD for $10K under MSRP. $25570 brand new. VW gives 3 yrs free maintenance also. No competitors can touch this deal with these features. I drove all the vans and Routan is easily the best handling with the beefier VW suspension components, and higher performance tires than the Chrysler & Dodge. No body roll or tire squeals at speed, honestly fun to drive.
After running an import garage for a few years and seeing most of these at some point, I will say the most reliable were the Kia Sedona and Toyota Sienna. The Chrysler vans were actually quite good too (a lot of our clients had those and we wound up working on them since every other shop in town sucked lol). The one I found somewhat underwhelming was the Odyssey. In addition to the pricey timing belt replacements on them, they ate CV axles and engine mounts, and brakes, and the body and trim were cheaply done. Dull and flaky paint, interior upholstery was inferior, etc.
weird. my mom said sienna is better but we all protested for a quest. when my mom saw this, AFTER we got the quest, she was dissapointed, the odyssey was too expensive for us and the quest had excellent features and perfect pricing. Plus, we had a 1996 quest, serving us more than 15 years, and in a scientific test, the quest would last longer than the odyssey. QUEST IS EPIC...well, for us
Overall, this comes to personal preference. Get a minivan that fits your choice. I would stay cautious with Chrysler/Doge minivans as there are still a few major reliability issues.
Here are my favorites to top to least. 1st favorite: both Chrysler Town and country and Dodge Grand Caravan Under that I drop the Honda Odyssey and Toyota sienna. The two minivan that I didn't whatsoever like were the Nissan Quest and Volkswagen Routan
I tested the Routan and YES, it offers better handling (German engineering for suspension) but all-in-all, it's still a Dodge. The new PentaStar 3.6L is awesome (like 100hp more than previous 3.3L engine)
Which one was dead last? I've had the privilege to drive 4 of the 6, all except the nissan and vw, and I really want to know what was last. I would pick the dodge over the toyota any day
@chrysleristhebest1 people buying a minivan should take a look at the price of regular maintenance, as well as the demands of the warranty in terms of said maintenance. Some people may not be prepared for the cost of regular scheduled maintenance. Some manufacturers reliability is due to the maintenance schedule which forces owners to conform to replace parts before they fail, with maintenance like this you'll get miles out of any make. I've heard of GM minivans with half a million KMs on them.
Anyone who is going to engage in a comments war on RUclips discussing which is the better minivan has given up on life and clearly has nothing else to live for.
If we're being realistic about what the average family can actually afford in a family hauler, the Grand Caravan is the realistic winner as far as value for money. Odyssey and Sienna are not realistic options for average families when they come with luxury vehicle pricetags. Just look at how many Grand Caravans are on the road.
A "few bucks" more? Try several thousand more. The fully loaded Honda will cost you about 15k more than a Caravan. Which is why the Caravan outsells the others... value... $$$
I have and will continue to pay several thousand dollars more. Maybe it's because I will only by a one or two year old used car. I have had two Honda Odysseys(1999,2010) and the premium you pay in price you get back in quality. Granted you service the transmission every 50k miles xD
@datpimpinboy the interior in the quest looks almost exactly the same as the odyssey, so I would not say it has by far the best looking interior. I will admit that it has more padding than the odyssey but our 2011 is extremely comfortable. Its sooo much quieter then the 04 we had
Durability wise, nothing can beat Toyota Sienna. Long term transmission issue in Odyssey is still lingering. No comment for VW since no VW are comparable to Japanese robustness.
Prospective buyers should know about maintenance costs and warranty demands of regular scheduled maintenance. Some manufacturers will void your warranty if you do not follow their scheduled maintenance, which utilizes a "replace before failure" philosophy. This schedule, if followed on other manufacturers, can show that all these vans are essentially the same in terms of quality. The price of the maintenance, however, can differ, check with dealers before purchase.
Long after the quests CVT has failed and the different variations of Dodge vans repair bills outweigh its sorry resale value; the Honda and Toyota will still be running strong with good resale values.
ok i dont usually give toyota much credit but the idea to invert the rear wiper and hide it under the roof spoiler is so smart. its really lame that all 3 of the chrysler van get a chance in this competition a few years for now there will only be one chrysler van
@hokman1 Well the Siennas are nearly on par with the Honda Odyssey and it is by no means worse than a Routon (last gen town and country). Sienna is the only van with AWD. Has a optional 8th seat (the middle seat in the 2nd row) Toyota have great reliability (Hondas too, Chryslers not so much) Includes same features as all the other vans except stow and go But to be honest I must say that I am a toyota fanboy and probably wrote that comment enraged that my beloved toyota didn't get any honors.
@joshuatree1001 also, if you buy a black Tahoe or Suburban, black out the windows, you can have fun parking in front of people's houses, wearing black sunglasses. Great times making neighbours think the FBI is watching them.
Too bad they don’t use column shifters anymore. Look how stupid it looks in how the radio was shrunken width but not length wise for a dashboard shifter.
chrysler and dodge are built to fall apart after 6000 miles, all the dealer are busy fixing that junk, and what is more, the parts are on back-order. enjoy!
I actually like the Sienna a lot, but compared to this $10K off MSRP deal it would cost $13K more real dollars to buy the comparably equipped XLE. Sorry folks, but in terms of ownership cost, you just are not gonna recoup $13K over the life of the car. The actual sell-for price difference (not the MSRP) prices the Sienna Quest and Odyssey at a serious premium to the Dodge, Chrysler and Routan. Also, the Stow & Go seats are uncomfortable for adults, Routan has comfy 2nd row capt chairs.
Did you forget about the sienna Also wtf the quest has a cvt, the Routan is a thousand years old, and you literally said the odyssey was the most expensive and least powerful Chrysler cousins are fine in my book, but this review isn’t Sorry John, Not impressed
Well thats the base model of the sienna, if they would gave you xle or platinum. But price plays a part. If the video was based on dependability well the toyota would be at number one.
happy timberlake the 3.5 has the belt ask Honda and see for your self why is there so many people commeting and has no pre-viewed the engines of choice why Mr Happy ???????
I'm surprised that the Toyota Sienna didn't get 1st place. I thought that the AWD would appeal more to the testers.
Well, the Sienna is kind of boring tbh.
Well I suspect the comparison being set in Atlanta probably didn’t make an argument in favour of AWD. If they did this comparison test in Minneapolis, may have a different outcome!
Useful resource even in 2018! Looking to buy a used mini van, this helps.
Me 2
Hello from 2023 😅 (getting a 2011 Odyssey!)
I have had a 2007 Odyssey a 2010 caravan a 2011 town and country and a 2012 Routan. All bought used. The Routan went to the dump when the tranny dumped at 150k. The 2011 t and c was constantly throwing codes and crazy shifting tranny. My 2007 Odyssey had 221k and was a solid van still EXCEPT for the damn cylinder deactivation. Which is still used today! Burns oil and kills motor mounts. My 2010 caravan with the old 3.8 pushrods v6 was the best and since it was not over powering the 6 spd auto always stayed in check. Soooooo the winner goes too! Oh my 2001 Toyota Sienna! She only has 130k but is literally bullet proof. Driven daily and has been in my family since new!
i want to buy for transport business which u recommend, in a bad road country
@@upgradelimited1908 honda
Or Toyota. Newer Toyota has no timing belt. I think 2007 and up
Sienna deserved a top 4 finish. The VW didn't. MotorWeek messed up there IMO
I bought a 2011 Routan new, now has 138k miles after 7-1/2 years and has been very reliable. We were fortunate to buy it right after they started using the new Pentastar motor and it’s been great. It has awesome power and gets 25 mpg on the highway.
Honda Odyssey, Chrysler Town & Country and Dodge Caravan is best minivans, my favorites
In reliability the Toyota sienna would be 1
Fast forward to 2023...anyone and everyone who bought a Nissan Quest is dealing with Nissan's CVT failure while all others are still running.
1. No Kia Sedona.
2. The T&C, Grand Caravan, and Routan ARE THE SAME VEHICLE, just rebadged.
3. Predictable "best". Let's hope the VCM engine and 5-speed transmission hold up with time.
u are well informed
Wow, that's very surprising. The Sienna is the best minivan here by far.
Nah, My vote Goes To the Dodge. We have a Honda odyssey And its great
No, way
Odyssey is the best. Speaking from experience.
I will agree!! We own a 2007 Toyota Sienna LE and it is built to last! It can tow a lot and u can pack everything but the kitchen sink in it for vacations!!
did i miss the placing of the sienna?
This was great, our family choose a Chrysler. All the vans are great but the fact that Chrysler base model comes loaded is a plus. Technology is easily added by iPads and GPS equipment. Gas mileage is very important. Van can tow to, which gives dad an option to haul trailers and boats. For the price they are a great investment in family fun.
Wow Sienna not even qualified for competition
where is toyota sienna??
lll
Still a great video for finding the perfect $7500 minivan. But now with 150-225k miles a passenger van might make more sense. I wish Motorweek had tested the modern Econoline and Express.
What's this review trying to say, that the Toyota Sienna came in at 5th place? The Sienna tops them all imo.
Fuck him
Right Toyota tops them all
True that
Due to an October month end deal from VW, I just bought a 2011 Routan SE w Nav & DVD for $10K under MSRP. $25570 brand new. VW gives 3 yrs free maintenance also. No competitors can touch this deal with these features. I drove all the vans and Routan is easily the best handling with the beefier VW suspension components, and higher performance tires than the Chrysler & Dodge. No body roll or tire squeals at speed, honestly fun to drive.
Almost 300 horsepower in Minivans. Fantastic!
I wish you had included the Kia Sedona, since it was refreshed with new looks and engines for 2011.
After running an import garage for a few years and seeing most of these at some point, I will say the most reliable were the Kia Sedona and Toyota Sienna. The Chrysler vans were actually quite good too (a lot of our clients had those and we wound up working on them since every other shop in town sucked lol). The one I found somewhat underwhelming was the Odyssey. In addition to the pricey timing belt replacements on them, they ate CV axles and engine mounts, and brakes, and the body and trim were cheaply done. Dull and flaky paint, interior upholstery was inferior, etc.
Our town and country 2012 that is the best vehicle we have ever owned Michigan and Texas Arkansas Florida
weird. my mom said sienna is better but we all protested for a quest. when my mom saw this, AFTER we got the quest, she was dissapointed, the odyssey was too expensive for us and the quest had excellent features and perfect pricing. Plus, we had a 1996 quest, serving us more than 15 years, and in a scientific test, the quest would last longer than the odyssey. QUEST IS EPIC...well, for us
the town and country is the best and always will be the best
Overall, this comes to personal preference. Get a minivan that fits your choice. I would stay cautious with Chrysler/Doge minivans as there are still a few major reliability issues.
Here are my favorites to top to least.
1st favorite: both Chrysler Town and country and Dodge Grand Caravan
Under that I drop the Honda Odyssey and Toyota sienna.
The two minivan that I didn't whatsoever like were the Nissan Quest and Volkswagen Routan
I Have A Honda Odyssey 05 But I Like The Sienna A Lot More, Especially The 2012 Sienna.
lol where did the toyota go?
Were the Sienna and Caravan not ranked?
How is the Nissan Quest in 3rd?
What happend to the Kia Sedona? (My mom has the 2012 honda odyssey) and yeah im 11 years old and I know a lot about cars.
I tested the Routan and YES, it offers better handling (German engineering for suspension) but all-in-all, it's still a Dodge. The new PentaStar 3.6L is awesome (like 100hp more than previous 3.3L engine)
I think they should have tested the top of the line version of each minivan and then compared what the manufacturers had to offer.
Which one was dead last? I've had the privilege to drive 4 of the 6, all except the nissan and vw, and I really want to know what was last. I would pick the dodge over the toyota any day
Same here, definitely the Sienna!
You're blind to say that none are sporty when the Dodge Grand Caravan is the only sporty looking van, and they're beastly.
@chrysleristhebest1 people buying a minivan should take a look at the price of regular maintenance, as well as the demands of the warranty in terms of said maintenance. Some people may not be prepared for the cost of regular scheduled maintenance. Some manufacturers reliability is due to the maintenance schedule which forces owners to conform to replace parts before they fail, with maintenance like this you'll get miles out of any make. I've heard of GM minivans with half a million KMs on them.
why hate on the narrator, glad they still use him classic and lets face it motorweek woudn't be the same without him.
No Kia Sedona EX??
Anyone who is going to engage in a comments war on RUclips discussing which is the better minivan has given up on life and clearly has nothing else to live for.
V tech just kicked in yo!
I still think that the Sienna still outbeats the Odyssey any day!! It's more luxurious and has the woodtrim that the Odyssey doesn't have!!
@DJBrothaIvan we did 110 mph on 2010 Chrysler on our last road trip, wasn't scary at all, it felt like 80mph on a full size sedan.
It was also the number one choice of vans by Kelley Blue Book!!
What about the fact that you can't stretch your left leg out to get comfortable in the Odyssey?
If we're being realistic about what the average family can actually afford in a family hauler, the Grand Caravan is the realistic winner as far as value for money. Odyssey and Sienna are not realistic options for average families when they come with luxury vehicle pricetags. Just look at how many Grand Caravans are on the road.
Yes the caravan is is cheaper but Toyota And Honda is More Safe (IIHS SMALL OVERLAP) And More reliable.
idk why someone would go for a caravan when you have the Honda and Toyota just for a few bucks more.
A "few bucks" more? Try several thousand more. The fully loaded Honda will cost you about 15k more than a Caravan. Which is why the Caravan outsells the others... value... $$$
I have and will continue to pay several thousand dollars more. Maybe it's because I will only by a one or two year old used car. I have had two Honda Odysseys(1999,2010) and the premium you pay in price you get back in quality. Granted you service the transmission every 50k miles xD
fildez woods yes I totally agree with you
I dont care what nobody say town and country the king of the minivans word and is widely used everywhere including rental car agencies and etc.
This test is wrong the sienna could have been at least second, the sienna is the best minivan
Where do you people work?
Was it me or did they just leave out the Sienna?
I like the Honda also but I'm not sure why Toyota didn't make the list.
@datpimpinboy the interior in the quest looks almost exactly the same as the odyssey, so I would not say it has by far the best looking interior. I will admit that it has more padding than the odyssey but our 2011 is extremely comfortable. Its sooo much quieter then the 04 we had
I love the new Chrysler T & C and Nissan Quest. :-D
Durability wise, nothing can beat Toyota Sienna. Long term transmission issue in Odyssey is still lingering. No comment for VW since no VW are comparable to Japanese robustness.
Toyota Sienna will all ways be the best
Prospective buyers should know about maintenance costs and warranty demands of regular scheduled maintenance. Some manufacturers will void your warranty if you do not follow their scheduled maintenance, which utilizes a "replace before failure" philosophy. This schedule, if followed on other manufacturers, can show that all these vans are essentially the same in terms of quality. The price of the maintenance, however, can differ, check with dealers before purchase.
Please next time you do a comparison include the Ford Flex.
This shootout is game show fun! Nice.
RIP Astro!
Oh, I thought it was that sport grain type thing with all models!
Long after the quests CVT has failed and the different variations of Dodge vans repair bills outweigh its sorry resale value; the Honda and Toyota will still be running strong with good resale values.
Definitely a Quest for me!
The new Chrysler 3.6L 283hp engine is one of the best engine in the world. Chrysler minivan is my choice.
Toyota is #1 van
ok i dont usually give toyota much credit but the idea to invert the rear wiper and hide it under the roof spoiler is so smart. its really lame that all 3 of the chrysler van get a chance in this competition a few years for now there will only be one chrysler van
We got rid of our Honda Odyssey because of transmission issues. I wouldn't recommend Odyssey until the get their transmissions right.
It's only the second generation
What year
@Z34teen id would also deff pick a wagon first then an RT caravan then the honda
Nissan Quest looks like a refridge on wheels
@TheLoneJester you must like the 1st gen previa then. yea it has a lot of fans. but i think the new ones look more luxurious
i agree i like the 4th gens better than the new ones- the 4th gens were more sportier
Town & country #2 what I like to hear!
Can't wait for the Fiat-engineered 2014 Chrysler Town and Country!!! Heard that it's Dodge sibling will be gone soon....
Must have gone to the richest side of town for this so called test family.
No Kia van? Also, a $45,000.00 price limit?!
They shall live forever (when I shove the one I own in a museum!)
@hokman1 Well the Siennas are nearly on par with the Honda Odyssey and it is by no means worse than a Routon (last gen town and country).
Sienna is the only van with AWD.
Has a optional 8th seat (the middle seat in the 2nd row)
Toyota have great reliability (Hondas too, Chryslers not so much)
Includes same features as all the other vans except stow and go
But to be honest I must say that I am a toyota fanboy and probably wrote that comment enraged that my beloved toyota didn't get any honors.
@toyota4life94 mybe but the power doors on 2011s suck plus how many recalls plus they r very expensive
@joshuatree1001 also, if you buy a black Tahoe or Suburban, black out the windows, you can have fun parking in front of people's houses, wearing black sunglasses. Great times making neighbours think the FBI is watching them.
I'll give #1 to Dodge Caravan!
@toyota4life94 why it will break down
Too bad they don’t use column shifters anymore.
Look how stupid it looks in how the radio was shrunken width but not length wise for a dashboard shifter.
a year later I ditch the minivan look for Buick Enclave. I miss better MPG but love the new look.
@datpimpinboy nice to see nissan getting all the praise by youtubers, u guys know your stuff. It's based on the high class elgrand
Grand Caravan and Quest are amazing
chrysler and dodge are built to fall apart after 6000 miles, all the dealer are busy fixing that junk, and what is more, the parts are on back-order. enjoy!
well it's not hard to see that this was rigged..
I actually like the Sienna a lot, but compared to this $10K off MSRP deal it would cost $13K more real dollars to buy the comparably equipped XLE. Sorry folks, but in terms of ownership cost, you just are not gonna recoup $13K over the life of the car. The actual sell-for price difference (not the MSRP) prices the Sienna Quest and Odyssey at a serious premium to the Dodge, Chrysler and Routan.
Also, the Stow & Go seats are uncomfortable for adults, Routan has comfy 2nd row capt chairs.
I think the Sienna should have at least made 2nd if not 1st!! This test is messed up!!
Did you forget about the sienna
Also wtf the quest has a cvt, the Routan is a thousand years old, and you literally said the odyssey was the most expensive and least powerful
Chrysler cousins are fine in my book, but this review isn’t
Sorry John, Not impressed
In this test, worst minivan that could get 2nd place, along with the best minivan that could get 1st place.
muchisisisimas gracias
Wow three Mopar vehicles. I guess the govt was not involved with this testing...
Statistically, Selling number and used market values tells how reliable and good they are. Honda, Toyota, are still unbeatable followed by Nissan.
If they still have a gash for the sliding doors, they should lose automatically. Chrysler got rid of them nearly 20 years ago!
Well thats the base model of the sienna, if they would gave you xle or platinum. But price plays a part. If the video was based on dependability well the toyota would be at number one.
If you have never driven your minivan past 70mph, then i would understand why you would like Chrysler.
@DMlCK90 Hahahaha! Unintended acceleration! That's hilarious!
Nissan is the worst of them all and is the most unsafe van on the market even in 2019.
wow they just kicked out the sienna like that
odyssey rules
it rules but the engine has the timing belt compared to the sienna timing chain!
No it doesn't
kenny kennysson ya
happy timberlake the 3.5 has the belt ask Honda and see for your self why is there so many people commeting and has no pre-viewed the engines of choice why Mr Happy ???????
@hondaftw1234 i don't doubt the odyssey is good, but please test the others before declaration
Where’s Isuzu sportivo???