There isn't any Australian car industry anymore. It was killed off unfortunately. As for Chinese cars, if they pass the standard inspections, same as other brands, there is no reason to ban them. Not to mention Australia relies totally and utterly on China to keep the economy rolling, so doing this could be a fast track to economic suicide. This honestly sounds like an idea that started in Washington DC.
We are already on economic suicide with our government teaming up with US, UK for that stupid nuclear submarine $90 billion deal. Imagine what even half of that saved could have done for the nation. But no, we need 6 shiny submarines to defeat the Chinese navy that has 100.
Some Chinese cars have no inspections bc there is nothing to compare to, like a famous Chinese brand, there is no ANCAP assessment, it is too easy to get 3 stars in ANCAP anyway, even bicycles can pass it, it is not a respectable system any more
@@josephwallis8965 china definitely has car assessment programs. their C-NCAP was developed in collaboration with euro ncap. all chinese cars go through inspections, which vary based on the target market. chinese products range from cheap to high end and everything in between. if you pay pennies, you get a cheap product, if you pay well, you get a product that's just as good as the US/EU counterparts.
I so understand why US and EU want to put a tariff or ban on Chinese car because they want to protect their own car industry. I get that. But what does Australia have to protect? $40000 dollar for a corolla and waiting time stretching out for nearly 2 years? Even if you do not like Chinese car, you should appreciate the competitiveness they created. By introducing more Chinese car into Australia market, it creates more competition which will inevitably lower the price of the other car brands. in the end, the customers will get a better deal for possibly even lower price
Corollas went from $23,990drive away to $40,000+ in just 5 years with competition. Imagine with no competition they will make it $60k or $80k and get away with it if there's no choice. Even a basic C class went from 68K to 93K in the past 5 years.
@@greggregson9687 Sure, but that's also what China has been doing all along. China banned foreign EV battery makers since 2015 and forced all EV OEMs to switch to local batteries makers because they couldn't compete. The EU/US's counter measures seem fairly reasonable.
In Dubai, Japanese and European automakers are struggling to compete with the Chinese, it’s fantastic news after years and years of monopoly and crazy prices.
Yeah I bought one in DUBAI a Chery Arrizo 7 2016 and it's been working great for 9years! Chinese Cars are Awesome! And they give much needed competition for lazy legacy car makers! My Next car will be a BYD Sea lion!
This banning of China made cars by the US is all about politics and economics. As a car expert you know China made BEV are good quality, well spec and competitively priced. Unfortunately the US sees China as a threat to the US dominant position as the sole superpower of the world ie the Godfather. So what we have is Cold War 2.0, we are going back to the 1950s fear mongering. It is dumb for Australia to get involved in this Cold War because China is not a threat to Australia's sovereignty and Australia's 20 years of prosperity has been underwritten by China not the US. Car Sauce can keep up the good work to report objectively without bias and help inform the Australian public and politicians not to be suckered into American propaganda.
Actually, it's all about pure unadulterated r..ism. White Australia has always been scared of the yellow peril and this US based campaign against China has provided a horse for closet ra..ists to jump onto. The US is rapidly going down the toilet. Why would you want to go with them.
The connectivity is the part that is worrying. China has a reack record of collecting data and the connectivity allows that data to be sent back to china
Yes but the United States does have a car industry and we know that according to the Liberals Australia has to serve American interests at the expense of our own. Maybe Peter Dutton should be running for US President.
For over two decades Australia exported more to China than Australia importing from china. Meaning we have a trade surplus. The commodity we export to china will in various ways become products are exported to other countries. On the other hand, our friends in the US, take every opportunity to get us to hand over more money on products they don’t have, like submarine
Still have a trade surplus with China being one of the only countries in the world that has a trade surplus with China. The whole tariff on certain Australian goods is over blown. Every single one of those goods the US and EU have higher tariffs on them yet no mention in our so-called media.
Say what you like, the US are protecting the free world from being overtaken by other less scrupulous countries. Buying some submarines is a small price to pay for our freedom.
😂😂😂 laughable really, if your 7-11 gets robbed, the government tells you not to do anything, criminals will most likely never going to be caught, and bailed immeditely if somehow caught. and you really believe they will protrect you if China will invade. and for the life of me, why would they invade?! a country that literally for millenias built a wall to keep people out....... @@trythis2821
"WAAAAAH SAVE THE AUSTRALIAN CAR INDUSTRY BAN THEM" What Aussie car industry? Always ridiculous when people say this. Aussies have been getting SHAFTED with car prices for far too long now, the influx of chinese cars and especially EV's are forcing competitors to keep up or die.
Agreed, I own a Chinese EV, I got such good value it blows me away. I got sick of traditional car makers making a fortune of me. The only risk is if we go to war with China is the flow of spare parts stopping.
Australia has no car manufacturer. Why need to ban? Just learn from USA dismantle the Huawei mate 60 and copy. Just get one BYD EV, dismantle it and copy.
Does Australia have military bases in the US ? No but the US threatens our main trading partner with 800+ military bases worldwide some of them on Australia soil.
Are you saying bringing nuclear weapon into Australia and risk yourself to be nuclear target thereafter....... it seems to be on the way. When politicians have little brain and prefer to trust lies, that's what you get
@@richo2501mate, you need to do some history studies 😂 the countries you've just mentioned have all invaded other countries, including Australia. Now, give me one country that China has invaded?
@@daweigo6851 then explain why Australia always first jumps out to criticize China with Americans’ ideological fake news when Australia has NO beef with China ever.
@@michaelwebb540 these are being used as taxis in China and are there are now BYD's with over 600,000kms showing very little wear or battery degradation
There's no reason for Australia to ever consider banning Chinese cars. China is Australia's largest import/export trading partner. Trade is mutually beneficial to both states. However, geopolitically, Australia is an obedient US poodle so anything's possible.
Hey there mate. I'm from Namibia 🇳🇦, and we do have Chinese cars, the likes of GWM, Cherry, FAW, FOTTON and Shacman, but the popular one is the Haval and GWM, more especially the steed-5, which is used by companies most of the time. From my observation, we have a very small population of 3mill inhabitants, and most of them drive, either the hilux, land cruiser or fortuner, I'm a big advocate for Chinese vehicles, because they have been driven with alot of km's on them and stood the test of time. In my opinion, my first SUV would be really a Chinese SUV vehicle, especially from GWM.
I haven't yet watched the video but no. We have no Aussue built manufacturers who will suffer from the influx, only foreign brands. The best brand will win, and if that's the chinese so be it.
Tariff on Chinese EV is so idiotic and doesn’t do any good to Australian consumers. If security is the concern then ban iPhone and all CIA back door enabled devices and software, just about anything really. Yea, they can hack your device if they wanted to.
Hey! I‘m from Germany and I have several Cars.. a BMW e46 convertible, a VW T5 Multivan and one chinese banger, a MG4 electric for daylie abuse.. I was soo happy to get a non overpriced electric Car here. As back in the days the id3 was atleast 15.000€ more then the MG. As the car is very good and I‘ happy about it I was thinking about the new gen. MG HS.. It’s a really good deal here, as a Tiguan would be MUCH more expensive.. Now chinese Cars are getting more expensive, thanls to the european union… that sucks so much, as there are finally good, affordable cars back in Germany… VW gets worse and worse quality wise and more expensive, so not an option. I guess I‘ll keep my 22 year old BMW and my 11 year old T5 for ever. 😂
We all have enjoyed the highest living standards possible because of China’s contribution, look at our necessities from kitchen and so on, now China has promised cars of the future (cheap, reliable and green), we should be Grateful for China.
@@amjedali5164 Yes but it's not charity lads, it's trade. We have something they need, so we sell it to them. That doesn't necessarily mean we have to buy their cars. Especially if given the high number of entrants into a small market there are legitimate questions about long term viability and support for some of the new Chinese car brands coming into Australia. That and some sus styling trends that would make a Ssangyong look good......
@@amjedali5164 Middle East is being bombarded right now, apparently will be entirely destroyed, sure China will come to help and rebuild the region, be grateful for China hey Ali
@@Thisonegoestoeleven666 I can understand why people are ignorant if there is no way of finding out the truth. But in this case, it's so easy to find out the truth. You can simply go to China and see for yourself the actual EVs people there drive. You can even test drive some of them yourself. I understand that not everyone wants to go to China for a holiday. But if that's the case, at least try to understand why so many people around the world love the Chinese EV and own a Chinese EV. This includes many of the car experts around the world, and also many of the respected car reviewers on RUclips.
yeah just slap tariff and hurt consumers like here in Canada, because locally manufacture cars (American and Japanese) are still ridiculously expensive
Our government already killed off the Australian car industry. There's nothing to protect. I suspect this idea is coming straight from Washington to protect THEIR industry and markets.
I think they just talk the talk because we can not afford the retaliation from China. Since we are a puppet state of USA we can not avoid talking about it. We have no more car manufacturers anymore so it can not hurt our economy anyway. Our economic highly relays on Chinese economy so that we could narrowly avoid recession in last two financial crisis. The slowing down of Chinese economy worries me. Hope Chinese economy stay strong for our sake.
You should worry about NA and Europe more since China gains quite a big portion of its economy from exporting goods and services to both regions, the main reason of that slow down is due to the inflation, tariff barrier and average low GDP growing of those western countries, which affects China manufacturing goods, that affects China importing materials from Australia, also with less Chinese goods exporting, you got Chinese with less money to import lobsters and wines from Australia too.
I completely get it. That is why I said I hope China do well. A lot of people here are a bit too hot headed. Poisoned by Fox News and channel Nine. To most people, having a good life is more important than political system in China. At least I know out economy will be f*ck without China.
Car prices keep going up look at the major legacy companies they keep increasing list price......Chinese companies are willing to come in and give us consumers cheaper alternatives vs the legacy fraud companies. We are investigating Coles and Woolies I think there needs to be an investigation against Toyota, Ford etc
In Malaysia, we have Proton which makes an interesting study on subsidies on automotive industries. Proton worked with mitsubishi in the 90s till 2010s?. Their fate pretty much followed mitsubishi’s where in the end people are frustrated with unreliable pieces of junk. The only lifeline they had is being cheap due to taxes on foreign brands but it didnt sell alot. Things started to change when Geely stepped in, bought 49.9% of the stake and introduced rebadged chinese cars. People were skeptical but sales figures are really impressive and it literally saved Proton’s ass. Point of the story is no amount of subsidies will save you unless you really work on improving your offerings.
This was done between Japanese & US cars too when Japanese overtake US cars & to compromise, so US allow Japan to continue US took in Japan cars rebadge them allow US to catch up, Japan to slow down This is no doubt can be & may be done Toyota with BYD
Part of this Geely-era growth is explained by the increased customer demand for CUV/SUV, which was quenched with X70 and later X50. Had proton offered a CUV earlier, it would've increased sales even with Mitsubishi underpinnings (rebadged outlander perhaps).
American competitiveness these days involves no actual innovation. Against China the US relies on tariffs, bans, sanctions, phoney national security concerns and quite plainly racist anti Chinese media bias. None of this has had any affect on slowing down China's pace of innovation. Research how much effort the US government has put in to trying to unalive Hauwei. The end result is that they're more innovative, spend more on R&D, recorded record revenue and profit growth and have come out stronger and bigger. Huawei no longer needs to buy any components from American companies now. Who's the loser? Not Huawei. They're gunning for DJI, Xiaomi, Chinese rail and ship building too. Importantly, America's tactics against Chinese companies hasn't made American companies the slightest more competitiveness or innovative.
@@tooltalk I think you should include parts to that equation. And being at an earlier stage is not a good argument to burn billions yoy and expecting a return at year 10 when the Chinese is already turning a profit today.
Chinese cars should Not be Banned in Australia! I do own Chinese car, best value for money, long warranty affordable for service, and it's a lovely car to drive and reliable....
It's not anti Chinese propaganda. China has some good quality vehicles but also has a huge quanity of crap dangerous cars. We in Australia need to make sure we keep getting the high quality safe products and not become complacent to cheap unsafe cars.
Can you list any of these dangerous cars ? Give me some names and models ? And tell me why are they dangerous. Doesn't every car that gets sold in Australia have to pass certain requirements? This is what I mean by propaganda, the way it works is you don't realise your being influenced to think and feel a certain way that's not based on facts or logic.
@@aussieman3582silly comment, all Chinese cars in Australia are subject to the ancap local testing and get 5 stars, meanwhile just announced some Honda models only have just been awarded 4 stars only
@@aussieman3582 That's why we have ANCAP safety standards, do you think companies just chuck some cars on a boat bring them here and sell them without any standards or crash safety etc having to be passed.
I think banning chinese cars is dumb from a consumer POV. I think the national security issue is to make sure countries have their own vertically integrated manufacturing and can't be held ransom diplomatically on supply chain. Not a problem Australia has - we don't make squat.
I'm not Chinese nor western. I'm just wondering how yall basing this "national security" thing? My country has a good relationship with both the west and China but I've seen the west destroying whole countries but never seen Chinese doing it. That's why it's so weird take western narrative seriously.
It's funny that people have already forgotten that China fought a trade war against Australia from 2020-2024. Coal, beef, barley .... It did cost us billions. In fact, there's still an import ban on Lobsters. Purely for political reasons.
Well said Matt. My question is who profits from keeping cheap, efficient, high-specced EV’s from Australian consumers? We don’t have a car industry anymore. Fossil-fools industry the likely instigator of the FUD campaign.
Banning Chinese cars is like buying long range Nuclear subs.....dumb. If the govt doesn't want our officials travelling in Chinese EV's, ok. But there is no way the rest of us should be stopped from having affordable and excellent transport made in China.
We are not the United States. What the US is doing now shows a bad image for the world. There are many countries in the EU that do not buy the accounts of the United States, but some countries are successfully lobbyed by capitalists to protect their automobile companies, such as France and Italy, while some countries such as the Netherlands and Lithuania completely follow the policies of American politicians. After a long period of trade protectionism, the competitiveness of American automakers is still declining, which shows that tariffs have never worked. Consumers need Chinese cars, so that ordinary people can enjoy a richer and higher quality material life.
Some EU countries without an automotive industry, such as the three small Baltic nations, voted in favor of increasing tariffs on Chinese cars, which is completely against the interests of their own people. This also proves that they are vassal states of the United States.
Will Australians be as SMART as Canadian Prime Minister Trudeau? He imposed tariffs on Chinese EV and said why: "We are transforming the Canadian auto industry into a global leader..." Has anyone heard of the Canadian auto industry?
lol your so uneducated. Canada has been providing cars to the US, Europe and Australia for decades. Canada has more Tier 1 supply companies than the USA AND Mexico. The entire auto industry is shifting to EV and hybrid vehicles. If Australia was to copy a country Canada is the country to co-operate with and learn from.
@@tooltalk Every country on earth subsidises their auto industry. Every single one. Our country did too, and our car industry died off as soon as it didn't.
@@greggregson9687 Not all subsidies are the same. Under China's WTO obligation, aka the WTO Subsidies and Countervailng Measure (SCM) Agreement, there are two very narrow prohibitions against subsidies because they hurt trade with other nations: export subsidies and local content requirement.
@@greggregson9687 In general, nobody cares about local subsidies to local business; not our business. GM bailout likewise don't really matter very much.
Australia cannot afford? Are you joking? Australia has a lot of mineral resources, a lot of sovereigns found… just the politics must give more protective laws. Australia can be so much richer than today.
@@adrianagiuca1196 yeah, because the beef, cotton, barley, lobster farmers and wineries were doing so great before the ban got lifted. It would destroy Australia’s economy.
@@adrianagiuca1196buddy… I’ve been in the building industry in the past 20 years…well… let me put this way if you still want to buy house at okay price , you’d better start kissing china axx
What a load of shite. Australia cannot do without Chinese goods - and now I would welcome cheaper cars, and from what I have seen, they have improved a lot beyond OEMs.
So yes, large multinational companies are initially willing to operate at a loss in order to gain market share. Once they have a foothold however, inevitably prices must increase to recover the cost of investment. The age old adage that you get what you pay for is true more often than not.
@@andrev5207 it'd not just that, it's the lack of innovation as said in the video. So happy to sell us stinking diesel trucks, they would do that forever. The cheating in tests (overseas but still I hate them for it) the lobbying - I hate them for that most of all.
@@andrev5207 Look at TVs: Chinese manufacturing (even if under other brands) took over the market, gained massive scale.... and then prices continued to drop to a fraction of what they were before China got involved. Look at solar: China took over the market and prices continue to drop. Look at clothing before that: a pair of Chinese-made Levi's 501 jeans today is significantly less expensive than a US-made pair 30 years ago, even before adjusting for inflation. Your theory is often repeated, but there is no historical basis for China jacking up prices once they gain market share. With share, they gain economies of scale and fuel cost reductions that lead to profitability. Not to mention that there are more car companies competing in China than in the rest of the world combined, so there is no threat of a monopoly.
Just beware once you have become bricked a few times and the glitches you randomly get can be off putting. My advice to buyers by new and update to newer models when they come out ever 2 years. You dont want to hold them longterm.
When you include inflation, fuel prices have been flat for the last 30 years (plus/minus a bit). Car value depreciation is actually a much higher cost factor for the average consumer. And this raises the question of whether the resale value of these new Chinese EVs isn't spoiling the calculation. Their extremely short product cycles don't exactly help with their resale value just to point to the obvious.
@@klausschroiff4405 The reality of owning a ev compared to petrol is very different experience. If you have large wealth owing a ev is easy as you can deal with issues easy and take a finacial hit if you have to pay for out of warranty repair. If you are debt poor ev is not for you and bankrupt your life.
I don't know why people are commenting that there isn't a car industry in Australia any longer as this is very well known already. It's not as if you were saying that there is an industry to protect - quite the contrary. In my personal opinion, it's a darn good thing that we didn't continue producing out of date vehicles in Australia and it's a surprise to me that the industry lasted as long as it did. No innovation at all and just turning our highly polluting vehicles to appease the petrol heads. Don't even get me going with regard the thugs in the unions controlling everything. No thank you. I'm a BYD Atto 3 driver for the past two years and quite simply, it's the best driving car I've ever owned and I've had some beauties from Europe and Japan/Korea. There is no way that any country can possibly compete with Chinese EVs (or any other vehicle but ICE is now an irrelevance, unless you watch Sky News/ other Murdoch BS) because of the technology involved. I'm looking forward to my new EV which will be Chinese produced and likely Tesla/Xpeng or NIO. Thank you for your great review of the current situation.
Chinese cars should be absolutely welcomed by consumers in Australia and around the world. They are good products at a great price. When Australia had tariffs on imported cars (up until 2010), all that did was make the Aussie car industry produce expensive, poor quality uncompetitive vehicles
Id rather buy a cheap Chinese car rather than an expensive euro.. Cars are the worst asset to have, they doesn't hold their value. Its purely a tool to get me from point A to B. Id rather invest the extra 20, 30 or 40k into stocks and see a return on my money.
100% agree. And it boils my blood when they say tariffs are because China is subsidizing their industry while EU and US do the same. The only difference is that China smartly subsidized a new tech and R&D while EU and US did it to keep uncompetitive companies afloat. Regarding security this is just ridiculous when Chinese security cameras, smart home devices, smartphones are ok, but suddenly cars and cars components are not. TF. I wish they were just honest and said sorry, we will ban for a couple of years because we are so behind and can't compete.
It reminds me of another version of the epic joke that the US doesn't like the Chinese, and the US doesn't like Muslims, but the US shows extra interest and concern for Muslims in China.
As a Malaysian immigrant who's spent a better part of more than 30 years in Australia, I really appreciate Aussies who speak sense. Thank you Carsauce for being the first car review channel to judge a product based on its merits and not some arbitrary yard stick of racially motivated "country of origin" undertones. Love the work guys (and gals)! Keep it up!
I've had a Haval for over a year now, it's definitely the best bang for buck vehicle I've ever owned in my forty plus years of owning and driving cars. I'm looking forward to getting a hybrid or pure electric in the future. Last thing I want is politicians to stuff that up.
I'm in Kenya. BYD and GWM came into the market here recently with some of their respective vehicles. I like it, it means more variety for us customers. hopefully the prices are not high as the brand new vehicles from legacy manufacturers. We mainly depend on gray imports therefore, it may take sometime to know how those brands will perform.
Hi Matt, having spent a significant part of my life in Canada, who will impose punitive tariffs on Chinese made cars, the fact is that the US dictates what cars are produced and sold there. Australia is a very unique market, and is not influenced by a large neighbour with a much larger population and industrial base. Hence, a large variety of car brands from many countries are available here. You want to buy a Mahindra, Kia, Chevrolet, Skoda, and any one of many Chinese brands? No problem. They are available, and comparatively affordable, when compared to other markets around the world. Is this sustainable? Will consumers buy a new car every 2-3 years? Will we see Stellantis, or Renault, or even VWG bow out of the Australian market because the cost of business here is too high? The next five tears will be very interesting indeed. For me, I will stick to buying a used Japaneses or Korean car or Ute to meet my needs. My next car will be likely a hybrid as well. Love the idea of an all electric car, just not sure that it’s the right time to take the plunge. Loving the content, BTW. It will be good to see what discussions are generated on this topic.
I really believe that a defensive mentality is ultimately self defeating. When china saw how good teslas are, they didn't ban them, they did the exact opposite, and let tesla in to set a bar for the chinese company. Those companies like BYD had to innovate (and copy) to survive, and that turned out to be a massive win for both the consumers and many domestic chinese companies.
EG.... Chinese car 18,500 in China = Chinese profit.... Chinese car 32,000 in Aus after 14,000 tariff mark up = Chinese still making a profit..... Aus car needs to sell at 40,000+ to created profit..... Tariff's increase cost of living....
I just ordered a Xiaomi SU7 Ultra , 0-60 in 1.97 sec. , more horsepower than a Bugatti Chiron over 1500 hp , it fully charges in 12min. In China it costs less than US45k , the equipment is crazy - Brembo brakes , total voice command , ventilated heated massage seats , center console screen with super fast Qualcomm chip, self parking , sunroof , 13 way adjustable front seat with memory fn. , 4 zone Aircon’/ hot , …… etc etc. No automakers including Tesla can do that at that price.
@@aarons6935 You are so ignorant lol. Read what manufacturing processes they are using , mega casting that even Tesla or Porsche does not have , that reduces the number of parts dramatically. Meaning less problems, vibrations , stiffer body or clunky noises. It is even way better than a Porsche Taycan ( the benchmark they aim to beat ). Their batteries are one of the top. Their parts are from the same OEMs supplying the Germans. Their software and screens /infotainment can’t even be matched by the top models of the Germans. And they deliver it at 1/6 the price. Why are legacy automakers so afraid , why are they taking Chinese EVs apart , why so much attention by the Germans at auto shows , because they know their time is up. Go read more reports by Japs , Swiss etc reports on tear downs. You are naive to think the Chinese poured hundreds of B to make second rate cars lol. Wait until solid state batteries by CATL start coming out next year , it’s game over 1000%.
@@aarons6935 Also go read sales reports of legacy automakers sales in China , most have lost 40-60% mkt share to the Chinese , the fastest growing EV mkt with 50% EV new cars sold. Why is this important ? Because China is the largest auto mkt in the world with 24M cars /yr. VW has closed its factories in China and started laying off workers in Germany ( first time in 87 yrs ). Even now all legacy automakers are giving steep discounts on their cars (20-30%) and still bleeding. It may not even take 5 yrs as Elon M predicted for them to disappear. 2nd hand gas guzzlers (3-5 liter engines ) are going for 60-90% of its original sale price and yet nobody is buying them.
@@robertwang7825 The German auto makers were forced to switch to Chinese suppliers long ago. Porsche for instance had to switch to CATL NCM for their Macan, but their top model, the Taycan, still uses LG's in spite of the Chinese gov't's threat over the years.
Australia will have to choose between America and China one day, currently they seem to do more trade with China but depend on America for defence, I don't see this being sustainable, America wants more for its protection and they have their heart set on destroying China's business industries, Europe is following, Australia will eventually. It's about more than cars.
Only reason EV's became affordable is because of China, they started exporting alot of quality EVs at affordable prices. Once you remove China from the equation, then expect less competition and expect the consumers to pay higher prices for cars.
The US is always talked about the national security concerns but how about other countries let Vietnam ? When the US went to war with the Vietnamese in Vietnam as like a big country bully the little country so what did you reckon about another countries do they need the national security concerns too or not ? If you worry your security concerns but how about another people’s security concerns not counting ?
It shouldn't be banned. I've noticed every since Chinese cars came to my county, the Japanese cars are now better spec even fully feature packed. Back then they sold a suv with no reverse camera (toyota)
Most of legacy auto saw the EV tidal wave coming, chose to ignore it and play the Kodak time line instead and now can't understand what went wrong? All this popcorn can't be healthy, but I just can't seem to stop eating it.
Love the vids. Speaking of Chinese cars. Have you got a car review on the upcoming Xpeng G6 electric car? And the pros and cons on the LFP and MNC verson. Thanks so much
Thank-you so much for expressing this so beautifully. Frankly, I find it ridiculous that Australia, the US and Europe governments weren't clever enough to realise that investing in battery technology and EVs would be a wise course of action ... and now, because of their lack of vision they want to penalise the Chinese for making wise investment decisions? I also agree that it would make no sense to ban these vehicles in Australia - we only gain by having them available here - cleaner air, cheaper transport and greater choice. And as silly as this sounds, thank-you for humanising the Chinese engineers - much of the misinformation out there sets out to do the opposite and demonise the work by others as if it is not possible for individuals from other countries to be innovative, clever or proud of their achievements.
Pffff, being two of the most favor subsidizing domestic industries regions, dare they accusing others subsidizing. Calling for free trade when they are up ahead of the competition, finding an excuse and tariff when they are not. Pathetic. Also, mate, tariff only works to protect your domestic industries when you have industries are eager to compete and win, not have legacies sitting there and doing nothing, only waiting and praying their opponents would somehow go disappear with the tariff barrier.
We gave GM and Ford money, and they took the money back to the US. Toyota shut down and built new plants in Indonesia. And don’t mention all the Big manufacturers building in state of the art new facilities in China and selling those vehicles here and all over the world.
Very well said, and so glad to see most of the comments are supportive with clear logic, not emotions with biases. this is what makes Australia a great country.
In a word, No. A ban would be pointless and harmful for consumers. In fact, having affordable Chinese EVs and PHEVs on Australian roads makes Australia more secure not less.
I feel a lot of anti-China arguments are politically motivated. Why aren't people complaining Japanese autos or Korean and German cars are also heavily subsidized for far longer than Chinese autos.
Maybe because Korea and Germany are free and our allies countris to us. The question is more , why now? We abuse chineses workers for almost everything for decades, why not for cars now too?
It seems like nobody acknowledge that China import the most Lithium from Australia. That's the key material for battery. So if China sells more EVs, they got to import more raw material from Australia. Logic, right? That's a win win corporation. How is that not obvious?
@@ralphzoombeenie2330 yes. Some pentagon general came out and finally said it was a weather baloon and of course none of the western media picked this up.
Australia should have never abandoned local car production. For the amount of money it cost the taxpayer, the amount of money we made back on this investment would now be welcome to the Australian economy. Thanks conservative politics, did that work out for you..?
It was a dual effort. It started with the Hawke/Keating government (which was being applied by many western governments at the time), and continued on through successive governments, Liberal and Labor. Neither are your friend.
Yea that bail out $$ should of been used to mirror Tesla build/sales format... then china would of been on a competition to sell cars and more level playing field but this how it`s looks.... EG.... Chinese car 18,500 in China = Chinese profit.... Chinese car 32,000 in Aus after 14,000 tariff mark up = Chinese still making a profit..... Aus car needs to sell at 40,000+ to created profit..... Tariff's increase cost of living....
@@kylereese4822 They increase cost of living, but they also increase employment, skills and national durability, along with economic activity. This is the price of having successful industry. Economics is not a zero sum game.
@@daweigo6851 It would have worked if the Aussie gov't mandated all locally made vehicles only. That's what China has been doing by forced joint venture and, other more draconian cases, banning use of EV batteries made by foriegn companies (no EV subsidies or permit to manufacture EVs in China since 2015).
If I can afford a BMW I don't think I'd go, hmm should I get the BYD since it's so much cheaper. Never, the Chinese cars will sell to people who cannot afford new cars. So this segment of people win. And this segment is also getting larger. So why not?
If you're wondering how a consumer product that is online, has cameras, and a giant flammable battery, could be a national security issue, then you need only look to the recent communication device issues in Lebanon.
chinese cars are value for money. don't understand why we having such topic. cars only not politics . without Chinese cars toyota can charge whatever they want
Due to the rapid development of Chinese car companies in recent years, the market share of foreign car companies in the Chinese car market has recently dropped from 65% to 35%, and the prices of these foreign brands have also dropped sharply by about 40% to 50%. It is believed that this phenomenon will also occur in many countries that choose free trade in the coming years. That's good for any consumer, even if you don't choose to buy a Chinese car.
It's just that simple, free market, as a Chinese, I don't even care about how ozs think about Chinese cars, I only hope there are more competitors, I wanna see a ancap 5star phev with HUD, ACC, lcc, premium sound system, heat and ventilator seats, 7 years warrenty etc. and sales under $30k, instead of $40k corolla, with nothing inside.
There is no free trade in any country that has heavy industry. That is why they still have such industry. We became "Free Trade" and lost our industry. Europe, US, Japan, China et al all still have tariff and tax walls, along with direct subsidies.
@@greggregson9687 tariffs are not bans, tariffs are to allow companies to have more time to catch up and compete. These 100%-200% tariffs are just a renamed term for a blanket bans, which is cutting off free trade. Soon the USA will only have products made by ‘allies’ and nothing from the outside world would be able to get in. Doesn’t that remind you of the Soviet era lol.
@@furikuri23 If by Soviet Era you mean just about everyone? Then yes. I am not sure how old you are, but I can assure you, back in the 60's, 70's and even 80's, it was quite normal for tariffs of the size you mentioned to range across most western countries. Taking cars as an example (you can extrapolate this to just about every other sector, including computing, that Australia manufactured), it was normal for many manufacturers to open plants in various countries just so they could enter that market and avoid the massive tariffs. In Australia alone, there were many different car manufacturers here mass producing cars, trucks, commerical vehicles and so on, including but not limited to; Ford, GM, Chrysler, Renault, Peugeot, Volkswagen, Mitsubishi, Nissan, Toyota, Hillman, Lightburn, Leyland, Rover....and I forget the rest, but there were others.
@@greggregson9687 so your idea is to have the Chinese opening plants in western countries by imposing tariffs high enough to curb imports of their products? Do you think that’s remotely possible? Did the Soviet Union open plants in a western country back then? Even if they wanted to they can’t, and that’s free? Or free only when the rules favour the Western system?
Those who built this country on free market are arguing for not having free market for cars. If chinese are susbsiding their car industry then good for us , we will take that subsidy with open arms.
Since the Australian Government killed the Australian Car Manufacturing Industry, the Australian Government must not implement a trade tarrif on vehicles imported from China to help ease the cost of living crisis Australia is currently experincing right now. I will love to see a video on the history of the Australian Luxury Car Tax.
As a Canadian I'm ashamed of my government following the Americans banning Chinese cars. I'm actually in the market for an EV or PHEV. I'm going to hold out buying a new car until I'm able to buy a Chinese car. I'm simply boycotting US, Japanese, or European cars as a protest against this policy. I'm going to look for a China made Tesla in the used market instead.
We need more competition. Don't ban the Chinese Evs. Or else we'll be forced to pay more for American or European, maybe Japanese cars. Look at the car market rn, it's overpriced
Yeah, nah! Chinese cars are keeping the bastards honest! The other car brands are over priced. Today I went and saw the new Amarok V6 and its $80k. Just ridiculous. Nice videos boys!
The real point in all of this is the government needs to step the F up and enforce new manufactures are meeting all required safety standards, providing proper after sales support and spare parts. At the moment there are far too many manufacturers to operate sustainably in Australia’s relatively small market with even giant’s such as Nissan reconsidering long term viability.
There isn't any Australian car industry anymore. It was killed off unfortunately. As for Chinese cars, if they pass the standard inspections, same as other brands, there is no reason to ban them. Not to mention Australia relies totally and utterly on China to keep the economy rolling, so doing this could be a fast track to economic suicide. This honestly sounds like an idea that started in Washington DC.
In Canada, Jusitin follow Biden's order, never consider Canadians.
We are already on economic suicide with our government teaming up with US, UK for that stupid nuclear submarine $90 billion deal. Imagine what even half of that saved could have done for the nation. But no, we need 6 shiny submarines to defeat the Chinese navy that has 100.
Some Chinese cars have no inspections bc there is nothing to compare to, like a famous Chinese brand, there is no ANCAP assessment, it is too easy to get 3 stars in ANCAP anyway, even bicycles can pass it, it is not a respectable system any more
@@josephwallis8965 china definitely has car assessment programs. their C-NCAP was developed in collaboration with euro ncap. all chinese cars go through inspections, which vary based on the target market. chinese products range from cheap to high end and everything in between. if you pay pennies, you get a cheap product, if you pay well, you get a product that's just as good as the US/EU counterparts.
Never underestimate what U$ can do to Australia!
Not even Trump was spared and you think U$ agencies can't get your leadership?
I so understand why US and EU want to put a tariff or ban on Chinese car because they want to protect their own car industry. I get that. But what does Australia have to protect? $40000 dollar for a corolla and waiting time stretching out for nearly 2 years? Even if you do not like Chinese car, you should appreciate the competitiveness they created. By introducing more Chinese car into Australia market, it creates more competition which will inevitably lower the price of the other car brands. in the end, the customers will get a better deal for possibly even lower price
They want to protect Australia as a US/Euro/Japanese/etc (ie; Western Aligned) market. If you can't compete, legislate.
Corollas went from $23,990drive away to $40,000+ in just 5 years with competition. Imagine with no competition they will make it $60k or $80k and get away with it if there's no choice. Even a basic C class went from 68K to 93K in the past 5 years.
@@greggregson9687 Sure, but that's also what China has been doing all along. China banned foreign EV battery makers since 2015 and forced all EV OEMs to switch to local batteries makers because they couldn't compete. The EU/US's counter measures seem fairly reasonable.
@@amjedali5164 That may have more to do with the industry supply shortage caused by COVID from you know where.
@tooltalk, that was almost 5 years ago now that's 100% ripping off customers, nothing else.
In Dubai, Japanese and European automakers are struggling to compete with the Chinese, it’s fantastic news after years and years of monopoly and crazy prices.
Lol… Dubay is a land of China's cars… 😂😂😂😂😂 I have a good laugh!!!
Yeah I bought one in DUBAI a Chery Arrizo 7 2016 and it's been working great for 9years! Chinese Cars are Awesome! And they give much needed competition for lazy legacy car makers! My Next car will be a BYD Sea lion!
Free competition is the only way to keep the market healthy.
Otherwise, we will see that high-priced goods harm the interests of consumers.
US stupid pickup truck costs north of $65k dollars.
I will never pay such exorbitant money for a basic vehicle
@@adrianagiuca1196 What's so funny?
This banning of China made cars by the US is all about politics and economics. As a car expert you know China made BEV are good quality, well spec and competitively priced. Unfortunately the US sees China as a threat to the US dominant position as the sole superpower of the world ie the Godfather. So what we have is Cold War 2.0, we are going back to the 1950s fear mongering. It is dumb for Australia to get involved in this Cold War because China is not a threat to Australia's sovereignty and Australia's 20 years of prosperity has been underwritten by China not the US. Car Sauce can keep up the good work to report objectively without bias and help inform the Australian public and politicians not to be suckered into American propaganda.
Actually, it's all about pure unadulterated r..ism. White Australia has always been scared of the yellow peril and this US based campaign against China has provided a horse for closet ra..ists to jump onto. The US is rapidly going down the toilet. Why would you want to go with them.
World reputable UBS engineers concluded BYD Seal is top engineering, 15% better value than Tesla & 30% better than EU trash.
The connectivity is the part that is worrying. China has a reack record of collecting data and the connectivity allows that data to be sent back to china
@@jasonfields2793 So does the US AND Australia. We have terrible data and privacy protection.
@@jasonfields2793Optus is knocking on the door!!
No car industry in Australia so Chinese cars help pushing overpriced cars down.
Exactly what other car manufacturers don’t want to see, hence the lobbyists and the politicians that sold their soul want to ban competition.
Australia doesn't have a vehicle industry to protect!
_thanks GM..._
There is no industry to protect, but life must be protected.
Why do you drive an untrustworthy Chinese car.....
@chaostar88 No one is forcing you to buy it!
Yes but the United States does have a car industry and we know that according to the Liberals Australia has to serve American interests at the expense of our own. Maybe Peter Dutton should be running for US President.
@@chaostar88 very similar comments on Jap/Korean cars many many years ago
For over two decades Australia exported more to China than Australia importing from china. Meaning we have a trade surplus. The commodity we export to china will in various ways become products are exported to other countries. On the other hand, our friends in the US, take every opportunity to get us to hand over more money on products they don’t have, like submarine
Still have a trade surplus with China being one of the only countries in the world that has a trade surplus with China. The whole tariff on certain Australian goods is over blown. Every single one of those goods the US and EU have higher tariffs on them yet no mention in our so-called media.
ruclips.net/user/shorts7HSdNC-7Ag8?si=y7MVEDamg-RfTLxR
Say what you like, the US are protecting the free world from being overtaken by other less scrupulous countries. Buying some submarines is a small price to pay for our freedom.
@@trythis2821 the only way to be free is to submit yourself to the US
😂😂😂 laughable really, if your 7-11 gets robbed, the government tells you not to do anything, criminals will most likely never going to be caught, and bailed immeditely if somehow caught. and you really believe they will protrect you if China will invade. and for the life of me, why would they invade?! a country that literally for millenias built a wall to keep people out....... @@trythis2821
"WAAAAAH SAVE THE AUSTRALIAN CAR INDUSTRY BAN THEM"
What Aussie car industry? Always ridiculous when people say this. Aussies have been getting SHAFTED with car prices for far too long now, the influx of chinese cars and especially EV's are forcing competitors to keep up or die.
Agreed, I own a Chinese EV, I got such good value it blows me away. I got sick of traditional car makers making a fortune of me. The only risk is if we go to war with China is the flow of spare parts stopping.
Australia has no car manufacturer. Why need to ban? Just learn from USA dismantle the Huawei mate 60 and copy. Just get one BYD EV, dismantle it and copy.
@@philipwoodgate9555what spare parts ? 6 month wait for a new MG bumper and that is the biggest GWM group.
@@andrev5207 had to wait 8 months for my amg bumper.
@@andrev5207 Only 6 months? No wonder! MG and GWM are different companies.
The better question is,
Should US military war mongers bases be BANNED in Australia ?
Does Australia have military bases in the US ? No but the US threatens our main trading partner with 800+ military bases worldwide some of them on Australia soil.
Are you saying bringing nuclear weapon into Australia and risk yourself to be nuclear target thereafter....... it seems to be on the way. When politicians have little brain and prefer to trust lies, that's what you get
@@ralphzoombeenie2330Say hello to Winnie from me 🐻🐻
@@richo2501mate, you need to do some history studies 😂 the countries you've just mentioned have all invaded other countries, including Australia. Now, give me one country that China has invaded?
😂because Australian government is somehow owned or manipulated by the USA. It’s a sad truth.
Same as UK, Canada, Japan, Korea, Ukraine and many more on the list. There are only a few countries that have true sovereignty in this world.
Complete nonsense
@@daweigo6851 then explain why Australia always first jumps out to criticize China with Americans’ ideological fake news when Australia has NO beef with China ever.
Australia is enjoying usd 6 billion trade surplus with china in july 2024 alone.
your americun master says othewise :P
I brought my byd sealion little bit over 2 months and still love it and i done 4800km hard miles and still going strong
I should hope so.Give it 3 years
There human rights is discussing and the people who buy them should ve discussed in themselves
It's "their" and disgusting" . And "with" themselves. You cerebral challenged individual.
@@michaelwebb540 these are being used as taxis in China and are there are now BYD's with over 600,000kms showing very little wear or battery degradation
@geoffsemon7411 cool thanks for info.
There's no reason for Australia to ever consider banning Chinese cars. China is Australia's largest import/export trading partner. Trade is mutually beneficial to both states. However, geopolitically, Australia is an obedient US poodle so anything's possible.
Time Australia woke up to the fact our neighbors are all Asian whom we should join n BRICS+ not the warmongering old Empires of the US and Europe
Australia is ahead of the U.S. and Canada in adapting new products and the latest innovations.
Hey there mate.
I'm from Namibia 🇳🇦, and we do have Chinese cars, the likes of GWM, Cherry, FAW, FOTTON and Shacman, but the popular one is the Haval and GWM, more especially the steed-5, which is used by companies most of the time.
From my observation, we have a very small population of 3mill inhabitants, and most of them drive, either the hilux, land cruiser or fortuner, I'm a big advocate for Chinese vehicles, because they have been driven with alot of km's on them and stood the test of time. In my opinion, my first SUV would be really a Chinese SUV vehicle, especially from GWM.
I haven't yet watched the video but no. We have no Aussue built manufacturers who will suffer from the influx, only foreign brands. The best brand will win, and if that's the chinese so be it.
Tariff on Chinese EV is so idiotic and doesn’t do any good to Australian consumers. If security is the concern then ban iPhone and all CIA back door enabled devices and software, just about anything really. Yea, they can hack your device if they wanted to.
Hey! I‘m from Germany and I have several Cars.. a BMW e46 convertible, a VW T5 Multivan and one chinese banger, a MG4 electric for daylie abuse.. I was soo happy to get a non overpriced electric Car here. As back in the days the id3 was atleast 15.000€ more then the MG. As the car is very good and I‘ happy about it I was thinking about the new gen. MG HS.. It’s a really good deal here, as a Tiguan would be MUCH more expensive.. Now chinese Cars are getting more expensive, thanls to the european union… that sucks so much, as there are finally good, affordable cars back in Germany… VW gets worse and worse quality wise and more expensive, so not an option. I guess I‘ll keep my 22 year old BMW and my 11 year old T5 for ever. 😂
We all have enjoyed the highest living standards possible because of China’s contribution, look at our necessities from kitchen and so on, now China has promised cars of the future (cheap, reliable and green), we should be Grateful for China.
100% If it wasn't for trade with China in 2008, we would have ended up as another Greece, 16years on the Greek economy is still a basket case.
@@amjedali5164 Yes but it's not charity lads, it's trade. We have something they need, so we sell it to them. That doesn't necessarily mean we have to buy their cars. Especially if given the high number of entrants into a small market there are legitimate questions about long term viability and support for some of the new Chinese car brands coming into Australia. That and some sus styling trends that would make a Ssangyong look good......
@dimsoneill COME ON THATS CHATGPT?? don't believe what your on about
@@amjedali5164 Middle East is being bombarded right now, apparently will be entirely destroyed, sure China will come to help and rebuild the region, be grateful for China hey Ali
@@Thisonegoestoeleven666 I can understand why people are ignorant if there is no way of finding out the truth.
But in this case, it's so easy to find out the truth.
You can simply go to China and see for yourself the actual EVs people there drive. You can even test drive some of them yourself.
I understand that not everyone wants to go to China for a holiday. But if that's the case, at least try to understand why so many people around the world love the Chinese EV and own a Chinese EV.
This includes many of the car experts around the world, and also many of the respected car reviewers on RUclips.
yeah just slap tariff and hurt consumers like here in Canada, because locally manufacture cars (American and Japanese) are still ridiculously expensive
Our government already killed off the Australian car industry. There's nothing to protect. I suspect this idea is coming straight from Washington to protect THEIR industry and markets.
Tariff is the way for government to take more tax money from people.
@@annan7728without calling it a tax thus does not need time consuming approval.
@@stvdmc2011 The consumer pays higher price to cover the tariffs.
Canada might as well be America's 51st state at this point.
I think they just talk the talk because we can not afford the retaliation from China. Since we are a puppet state of USA we can not avoid talking about it. We have no more car manufacturers anymore so it can not hurt our economy anyway. Our economic highly relays on Chinese economy so that we could narrowly avoid recession in last two financial crisis. The slowing down of Chinese economy worries me. Hope Chinese economy stay strong for our sake.
You should worry about NA and Europe more since China gains quite a big portion of its economy from exporting goods and services to both regions, the main reason of that slow down is due to the inflation, tariff barrier and average low GDP growing of those western countries, which affects China manufacturing goods, that affects China importing materials from Australia, also with less Chinese goods exporting, you got Chinese with less money to import lobsters and wines from Australia too.
@@cheungchingtong not infect, try affect. s/infect/affect/g
@@tooltalk Not healthy, so I used infect, but affect it is then.
I completely get it. That is why I said I hope China do well. A lot of people here are a bit too hot headed. Poisoned by Fox News and channel Nine. To most people, having a good life is more important than political system in China. At least I know out economy will be f*ck without China.
Car prices keep going up look at the major legacy companies they keep increasing list price......Chinese companies are willing to come in and give us consumers cheaper alternatives vs the legacy fraud companies. We are investigating Coles and Woolies I think there needs to be an investigation against Toyota, Ford etc
In Malaysia, we have Proton which makes an interesting study on subsidies on automotive industries.
Proton worked with mitsubishi in the 90s till 2010s?. Their fate pretty much followed mitsubishi’s where in the end people are frustrated with unreliable pieces of junk. The only lifeline they had is being cheap due to taxes on foreign brands but it didnt sell alot.
Things started to change when Geely stepped in, bought 49.9% of the stake and introduced rebadged chinese cars. People were skeptical but sales figures are really impressive and it literally saved Proton’s ass.
Point of the story is no amount of subsidies will save you unless you really work on improving your offerings.
Tariff is only a timeout so one can reorganize and plan to find a way to compete. Otherwise you will still die at the end.
This was done between Japanese & US cars too when Japanese overtake US cars & to compromise, so US allow Japan to continue
US took in Japan cars rebadge them allow US to catch up, Japan to slow down
This is no doubt can be & may be done Toyota with BYD
Part of this Geely-era growth is explained by the increased customer demand for CUV/SUV, which was quenched with X70 and later X50. Had proton offered a CUV earlier, it would've increased sales even with Mitsubishi underpinnings (rebadged outlander perhaps).
Well said. See what's happening to Intel now. Once THE world chip giant now barely survive by receiving large amount of subsidies.
American competitiveness these days involves no actual innovation. Against China the US relies on tariffs, bans, sanctions, phoney national security concerns and quite plainly racist anti Chinese media bias. None of this has had any affect on slowing down China's pace of innovation. Research how much effort the US government has put in to trying to unalive Hauwei. The end result is that they're more innovative, spend more on R&D, recorded record revenue and profit growth and have come out stronger and bigger. Huawei no longer needs to buy any components from American companies now. Who's the loser? Not Huawei. They're gunning for DJI, Xiaomi, Chinese rail and ship building too. Importantly, America's tactics against Chinese companies hasn't made American companies the slightest more competitiveness or innovative.
ever heard of Tesla or perhaps Rivian or Lucid?
Huawei also has a very strong internal structure that fosters innovation. Just look at their company charter!
@@tooltalkyea heard of them losing billions to make a few cars, apart from Tesla that is which is actually mostly (over 50%) made in china 😂
@@furikuri23 Tesla China makes only about 40% (950+) vs the US (~1M) and EU (375K). Lucid and Rivia are still at an earlier stage.
@@tooltalk I think you should include parts to that equation. And being at an earlier stage is not a good argument to burn billions yoy and expecting a return at year 10 when the Chinese is already turning a profit today.
Chinese cars should Not be Banned in Australia! I do own Chinese car, best value for money, long warranty affordable for service, and it's a lovely car to drive and reliable....
What brand?!
Great to see you supporting chinas human rights violations and industrial espionage traitor
They’re junk
@@bashyamate2613 American cars are junk
@@bashyamate2613 if they are junk... then there is nothing to worry about. The problem is that they are not.
Sick of the Anti Chinese propaganda 🙄 everything else we buy is a Chinese product so what's the big deal if it's a car that's a Chinese product
It's not anti Chinese propaganda. China has some good quality vehicles but also has a huge quanity of crap dangerous cars. We in Australia need to make sure we keep getting the high quality safe products and not become complacent to cheap unsafe cars.
Can you list any of these dangerous cars ? Give me some names and models ? And tell me why are they dangerous. Doesn't every car that gets sold in Australia have to pass certain requirements? This is what I mean by propaganda, the way it works is you don't realise your being influenced to think and feel a certain way that's not based on facts or logic.
@@aussieman3582silly comment, all Chinese cars in Australia are subject to the ancap local testing and get 5 stars, meanwhile just announced some Honda models only have just been awarded 4 stars only
@@aussieman3582 Chinese cars have to pass the same requirements as every other car brand here.
@@aussieman3582 That's why we have ANCAP safety standards, do you think companies just chuck some cars on a boat bring them here and sell them without any standards or crash safety etc having to be passed.
I think banning chinese cars is dumb from a consumer POV. I think the national security issue is to make sure countries have their own vertically integrated manufacturing and can't be held ransom diplomatically on supply chain. Not a problem Australia has - we don't make squat.
Would you trust a car that was hacked by the Chinese Communist Party?
I'm not Chinese nor western. I'm just wondering how yall basing this "national security" thing? My country has a good relationship with both the west and China but I've seen the west destroying whole countries but never seen Chinese doing it. That's why it's so weird take western narrative seriously.
It's funny that people have already forgotten that China fought a trade war against Australia from 2020-2024. Coal, beef, barley .... It did cost us billions. In fact, there's still an import ban on Lobsters. Purely for political reasons.
Well said Matt. My question is who profits from keeping cheap, efficient, high-specced EV’s from Australian consumers? We don’t have a car industry anymore. Fossil-fools industry the likely instigator of the FUD campaign.
It more of a competition on who is bigger and more obedient US vassal. Canada is currently leading pack with the UK, Australia doesn't wanna miss out.
Latest news says that the UK government will not follow the steps of the US and EU!
US car manufacturing is like walking onto a 70’s car production floor!
Did d the same when Japanese cheaper and more reliable cars came in and tried to pretend it would not happen
I have had a great run with my Chinese 4wd dual cab. 200k plus, and still running perfectly good.
Banning Chinese cars is like buying long range Nuclear subs.....dumb.
If the govt doesn't want our officials travelling in Chinese EV's, ok. But there is no way the rest of us should be stopped from having affordable and excellent transport made in China.
@Mr Tonifumi::: All Chinese Vehicles are rubbish, stop supporting murderous Communist Regimes . You are Traitors .
People just hear china, and all logical reasoning gets thrown away smh
This is why most Aussies are poor as dogs …
We'll...you can thank Uncle Sam and the $1.6billion Anti China Funds for some of that. If you can't beat your opponent...smear them!😁
We are not the United States. What the US is doing now shows a bad image for the world. There are many countries in the EU that do not buy the accounts of the United States, but some countries are successfully lobbyed by capitalists to protect their automobile companies, such as France and Italy, while some countries such as the Netherlands and Lithuania completely follow the policies of American politicians. After a long period of trade protectionism, the competitiveness of American automakers is still declining, which shows that tariffs have never worked. Consumers need Chinese cars, so that ordinary people can enjoy a richer and higher quality material life.
Some EU countries without an automotive industry, such as the three small Baltic nations, voted in favor of increasing tariffs on Chinese cars, which is completely against the interests of their own people. This also proves that they are vassal states of the United States.
Will Australians be as SMART as Canadian Prime Minister Trudeau? He imposed tariffs on Chinese EV and said why: "We are transforming the Canadian auto industry into a global leader..." Has anyone heard of the Canadian auto industry?
Yes, they are making new ones right now!!!!
lol your so uneducated. Canada has been providing cars to the US, Europe and Australia for decades. Canada has more Tier 1 supply companies than the USA AND Mexico. The entire auto industry is shifting to EV and hybrid vehicles. If Australia was to copy a country Canada is the country to co-operate with and learn from.
@@menotyou7762which cars does Canada supply to Australia?
when Korean cheap petrol cars entered AU market, we haven't seen any voice to ban it from this small market
because there was no accusation of trade violation (eg, prohibitied subsidies)?
@@tooltalk Every country on earth subsidises their auto industry. Every single one. Our country did too, and our car industry died off as soon as it didn't.
@@greggregson9687 Not all subsidies are the same. Under China's WTO obligation, aka the WTO Subsidies and Countervailng Measure (SCM) Agreement, there are two very narrow prohibitions against subsidies because they hurt trade with other nations: export subsidies and local content requirement.
@@greggregson9687 In general, nobody cares about local subsidies to local business; not our business. GM bailout likewise don't really matter very much.
@@tooltalk This is all about China doing it better Than the US ban their Phone ban their G5 internet now Ban their Cars
Don’t ban Chinese cars... Australia cannot afford another trade war.
Australia cannot afford? Are you joking? Australia has a lot of mineral resources, a lot of sovereigns found… just the politics must give more protective laws. Australia can be so much richer than today.
@@adrianagiuca1196 yeah, because the beef, cotton, barley, lobster farmers and wineries were doing so great before the ban got lifted. It would destroy Australia’s economy.
@@adrianagiuca1196 You do realise we don't get the Payment from those recourses
@@adrianagiuca1196buddy… I’ve been in the building industry in the past 20 years…well… let me put this way if you still want to buy house at okay price , you’d better start kissing china axx
@@adrianagiuca1196u have to ask who are the buyers. Look at the big picture and get educated.
What a load of shite. Australia cannot do without Chinese goods - and now I would welcome cheaper cars, and from what I have seen, they have improved a lot beyond OEMs.
😅 Australia poured so much money into local car manufacturers and looked what happened they all left!!!
I hate legacy auto companies good riddance when they fail to compete.
So yes, large multinational companies are initially willing to operate at a loss in order to gain market share. Once they have a foothold however, inevitably prices must increase to recover the cost of investment. The age old adage that you get what you pay for is true more often than not.
@@andrev5207 it'd not just that, it's the lack of innovation as said in the video. So happy to sell us stinking diesel trucks, they would do that forever. The cheating in tests (overseas but still I hate them for it) the lobbying - I hate them for that most of all.
So let them take the loss to subsidize us consumers, let the market force decide
@@andrev5207 Look at TVs: Chinese manufacturing (even if under other brands) took over the market, gained massive scale.... and then prices continued to drop to a fraction of what they were before China got involved. Look at solar: China took over the market and prices continue to drop. Look at clothing before that: a pair of Chinese-made Levi's 501 jeans today is significantly less expensive than a US-made pair 30 years ago, even before adjusting for inflation.
Your theory is often repeated, but there is no historical basis for China jacking up prices once they gain market share. With share, they gain economies of scale and fuel cost reductions that lead to profitability. Not to mention that there are more car companies competing in China than in the rest of the world combined, so there is no threat of a monopoly.
If Peta Credlin thinks banning Chinese cars is a good idea, then it clearly must be a very bad idea. Great video Matt.
I cannot wait for all Chinese EV to come in. I can get rid of my petrol car. Fuel and maintenance is so bloody expensive.
Just beware once you have become bricked a few times and the glitches you randomly get can be off putting. My advice to buyers by new and update to newer models when they come out ever 2 years. You dont want to hold them longterm.
if I have the financial freedom to do that, I won’t be complaining how expensive to run a petrol car.
When you include inflation, fuel prices have been flat for the last 30 years (plus/minus a bit). Car value depreciation is actually a much higher cost factor for the average consumer. And this raises the question of whether the resale value of these new Chinese EVs isn't spoiling the calculation. Their extremely short product cycles don't exactly help with their resale value just to point to the obvious.
@@klausschroiff4405 The reality of owning a ev compared to petrol is very different experience. If you have large wealth owing a ev is easy as you can deal with issues easy and take a finacial hit if you have to pay for out of warranty repair. If you are debt poor ev is not for you and bankrupt your life.
It doesn't matter what the Australian people want. It only matters what the US government wants Australia to do.
I don't know why people are commenting that there isn't a car industry in Australia any longer as this is very well known already. It's not as if you were saying that there is an industry to protect - quite the contrary. In my personal opinion, it's a darn good thing that we didn't continue producing out of date vehicles in Australia and it's a surprise to me that the industry lasted as long as it did. No innovation at all and just turning our highly polluting vehicles to appease the petrol heads. Don't even get me going with regard the thugs in the unions controlling everything. No thank you. I'm a BYD Atto 3 driver for the past two years and quite simply, it's the best driving car I've ever owned and I've had some beauties from Europe and Japan/Korea. There is no way that any country can possibly compete with Chinese EVs (or any other vehicle but ICE is now an irrelevance, unless you watch Sky News/ other Murdoch BS) because of the technology involved. I'm looking forward to my new EV which will be Chinese produced and likely Tesla/Xpeng or NIO. Thank you for your great review of the current situation.
Chinese cars should be absolutely welcomed by consumers in Australia and around the world. They are good products at a great price.
When Australia had tariffs on imported cars (up until 2010), all that did was make the Aussie car industry produce expensive, poor quality uncompetitive vehicles
Id rather buy a cheap Chinese car rather than an expensive euro.. Cars are the worst asset to have, they doesn't hold their value. Its purely a tool to get me from point A to B. Id rather invest the extra 20, 30 or 40k into stocks and see a return on my money.
How about exchanging lobsters for Shark?
Can’t wait to see the BYD Shark in Australia.
One on one😂?
Good idea
free market is the only way forward, let the consumer decide for him/herself
No actually the Australian government will decide for you SORRY... it actually the United States government will decide for you!
100% agree. And it boils my blood when they say tariffs are because China is subsidizing their industry while EU and US do the same. The only difference is that China smartly subsidized a new tech and R&D while EU and US did it to keep uncompetitive companies afloat. Regarding security this is just ridiculous when Chinese security cameras, smart home devices, smartphones are ok, but suddenly cars and cars components are not. TF. I wish they were just honest and said sorry, we will ban for a couple of years because we are so behind and can't compete.
It reminds me of another version of the epic joke that the US doesn't like the Chinese, and the US doesn't like Muslims, but the US shows extra interest and concern for Muslims in China.
As a Malaysian immigrant who's spent a better part of more than 30 years in Australia, I really appreciate Aussies who speak sense. Thank you Carsauce for being the first car review channel to judge a product based on its merits and not some arbitrary yard stick of racially motivated "country of origin" undertones. Love the work guys (and gals)! Keep it up!
I've had a Haval for over a year now, it's definitely the best bang for buck vehicle I've ever owned in my forty plus years of owning and driving cars. I'm looking forward to getting a hybrid or pure electric in the future. Last thing I want is politicians to stuff that up.
I'm in Kenya. BYD and GWM came into the market here recently with some of their respective vehicles.
I like it, it means more variety for us customers. hopefully the prices are not high as the brand new vehicles from legacy manufacturers.
We mainly depend on gray imports therefore, it may take sometime to know how those brands will perform.
I couldn't find a dealer, where is it ?
Hi Matt, having spent a significant part of my life in Canada, who will impose punitive tariffs on Chinese made cars, the fact is that the US dictates what cars are produced and sold there. Australia is a very unique market, and is not influenced by a large neighbour with a much larger population and industrial base. Hence, a large variety of car brands from many countries are available here. You want to buy a Mahindra, Kia, Chevrolet, Skoda, and any one of many Chinese brands? No problem. They are available, and comparatively affordable, when compared to other markets around the world. Is this sustainable? Will consumers buy a new car every 2-3 years? Will we see Stellantis, or Renault, or even VWG bow out of the Australian market because the cost of business here is too high? The next five tears will be very interesting indeed. For me, I will stick to buying a used Japaneses or Korean car or Ute to meet my needs. My next car will be likely a hybrid as well. Love the idea of an all electric car, just not sure that it’s the right time to take the plunge. Loving the content, BTW. It will be good to see what discussions are generated on this topic.
I really believe that a defensive mentality is ultimately self defeating.
When china saw how good teslas are, they didn't ban them, they did the exact opposite, and let tesla in to set a bar for the chinese company. Those companies like BYD had to innovate (and copy) to survive, and that turned out to be a massive win for both the consumers and many domestic chinese companies.
watching those media and politicians reasons on why Chinese EV should be banned is like watching cheap comedies.....
Nailed it Matt ! Well said 👍🏼
EG....
Chinese car 18,500 in China = Chinese profit....
Chinese car 32,000 in Aus after 14,000 tariff mark up = Chinese still making a profit.....
Aus car needs to sell at 40,000+ to created profit..... Tariff's increase cost of living....
If Australia bans Chinese cars it was because SOMEONE lobbied them to do it.
Two thumbs up, mate!
I just ordered a Xiaomi SU7 Ultra , 0-60 in 1.97 sec. , more horsepower than a Bugatti Chiron over 1500 hp , it fully charges in 12min. In China it costs less than US45k , the equipment is crazy - Brembo brakes , total voice command , ventilated heated massage seats , center console screen with super fast Qualcomm chip, self parking , sunroof , 13 way adjustable front seat with memory fn. , 4 zone Aircon’/ hot , …… etc etc. No automakers including Tesla can do that at that price.
And falls apart.
@@aarons6935 You are so ignorant lol. Read what manufacturing processes they are using , mega casting that even Tesla or Porsche does not have , that reduces the number of parts dramatically. Meaning less problems, vibrations , stiffer body or clunky noises. It is even way better than a Porsche Taycan ( the benchmark they aim to beat ). Their batteries are one of the top. Their parts are from the same OEMs supplying the Germans. Their software and screens /infotainment can’t even be matched by the top models of the Germans. And they deliver it at 1/6 the price. Why are legacy automakers so afraid , why are they taking Chinese EVs apart , why so much attention by the Germans at auto shows , because they know their time is up. Go read more reports by Japs , Swiss etc reports on tear downs. You are naive to think the Chinese poured hundreds of B to make second rate cars lol. Wait until solid state batteries by CATL start coming out next year , it’s game over 1000%.
@@aarons6935 Also go read sales reports of legacy automakers sales in China , most have lost 40-60% mkt share to the Chinese , the fastest growing EV mkt with 50% EV new cars sold. Why is this important ? Because China is the largest auto mkt in the world with 24M cars /yr. VW has closed its factories in China and started laying off workers in Germany ( first time in 87 yrs ). Even now all legacy automakers are giving steep discounts on their cars (20-30%) and still bleeding. It may not even take 5 yrs as Elon M predicted for them to disappear. 2nd hand gas guzzlers (3-5 liter engines ) are going for 60-90% of its original sale price and yet nobody is buying them.
@@robertwang7825 Well said and 100% agree with your true facts!
@@robertwang7825 The German auto makers were forced to switch to Chinese suppliers long ago. Porsche for instance had to switch to CATL NCM for their Macan, but their top model, the Taycan, still uses LG's in spite of the Chinese gov't's threat over the years.
Australia will have to choose between America and China one day, currently they seem to do more trade with China but depend on America for defence, I don't see this being sustainable, America wants more for its protection and they have their heart set on destroying China's business industries, Europe is following, Australia will eventually.
It's about more than cars.
With American it is less defence and more of a protection racket!
Only reason EV's became affordable is because of China, they started exporting alot of quality EVs at affordable prices. Once you remove China from the equation, then expect less competition and expect the consumers to pay higher prices for cars.
The US is always talked about the national security concerns but how about other countries let Vietnam ? When the US went to war with the Vietnamese in Vietnam as like a big country bully the little country so what did you reckon about another countries do they need the national security concerns too or not ? If you worry your security concerns but how about another people’s security concerns not counting ?
Your videos are great mate keep it up
It shouldn't be banned. I've noticed every since Chinese cars came to my county, the Japanese cars are now better spec even fully feature packed. Back then they sold a suv with no reverse camera (toyota)
Most of legacy auto saw the EV tidal wave coming, chose to ignore it and play the Kodak time line instead and now can't understand what went wrong? All this popcorn can't be healthy, but I just can't seem to stop eating it.
Love the vids. Speaking of Chinese cars. Have you got a car review on the upcoming Xpeng G6 electric car? And the pros and cons on the LFP and MNC verson. Thanks so much
Thank-you so much for expressing this so beautifully. Frankly, I find it ridiculous that Australia, the US and Europe governments weren't clever enough to realise that investing in battery technology and EVs would be a wise course of action ... and now, because of their lack of vision they want to penalise the Chinese for making wise investment decisions? I also agree that it would make no sense to ban these vehicles in Australia - we only gain by having them available here - cleaner air, cheaper transport and greater choice. And as silly as this sounds, thank-you for humanising the Chinese engineers - much of the misinformation out there sets out to do the opposite and demonise the work by others as if it is not possible for individuals from other countries to be innovative, clever or proud of their achievements.
Pffff, being two of the most favor subsidizing domestic industries regions, dare they accusing others subsidizing. Calling for free trade when they are up ahead of the competition, finding an excuse and tariff when they are not. Pathetic.
Also, mate, tariff only works to protect your domestic industries when you have industries are eager to compete and win, not have legacies sitting there and doing nothing, only waiting and praying their opponents would somehow go disappear with the tariff barrier.
Great explanation I’m happy with my gwm cannon !
If it wasn't for Chinese manufacturing you Aussies will be going to your bank manager to get a microwave, $49 instead of $4999 made in Australia
Great job navigating the minefield of this topic while remaining candid, interesting, and informative.
No stupid bias, smart thinking, good for Aussie consumers
We gave GM and Ford money, and they took the money back to the US. Toyota shut down and built new plants in Indonesia. And don’t mention all the Big manufacturers building in state of the art new facilities in China and selling those vehicles here and all over the world.
Chinese car are good for any countries that dont have a domestic car maker as an alternative to the legacy ice monopoly.
Very well said, and so glad to see most of the comments are supportive with clear logic, not emotions with biases. this is what makes Australia a great country.
Yes if you want more expensive , outdated tech and uglier cars in AU.
It's sad that Chinese cars are banned in Canada 🇨🇦 😢
No, it shouldn't. Period. More competition drives more innovation and ultimately benefits consumers.
In a word, No. A ban would be pointless and harmful for consumers. In fact, having affordable Chinese EVs and PHEVs on Australian roads makes Australia more secure not less.
I feel a lot of anti-China arguments are politically motivated. Why aren't people complaining Japanese autos or Korean and German cars are also heavily subsidized for far longer than Chinese autos.
Maybe because Korea and Germany are free and our allies countris to us. The question is more , why now? We abuse chineses workers for almost everything for decades, why not for cars now too?
It seems like nobody acknowledge that China import the most Lithium from Australia. That's the key material for battery. So if China sells more EVs, they got to import more raw material from Australia. Logic, right? That's a win win corporation. How is that not obvious?
8:15 why dont you google chinese garlic national security. No joke. Some us senator last year claims chinese garlic is a national security concern.
Only the US can comeup with such rubbish. Remember the weather balloon scare, the world laughed at them.
@@ralphzoombeenie2330 yes. Some pentagon general came out and finally said it was a weather baloon and of course none of the western media picked this up.
Chinese made smart vacuum cleaners spying on you, next your Chinese made car 😅
10:56...amen!
Banning Chinese made is not about products at all. It has everything to do with geopolitics originating from the US.
Australia should have never abandoned local car production. For the amount of money it cost the taxpayer, the amount of money we made back on this investment would now be welcome to the Australian economy. Thanks conservative politics, did that work out for you..?
Australian consumers did not want Australian cars....
It was a dual effort. It started with the Hawke/Keating government (which was being applied by many western governments at the time), and continued on through successive governments, Liberal and Labor. Neither are your friend.
Yea that bail out $$ should of been used to mirror Tesla build/sales format... then china would of been on a competition to sell cars and more level playing field but this how it`s looks....
EG....
Chinese car 18,500 in China = Chinese profit....
Chinese car 32,000 in Aus after 14,000 tariff mark up = Chinese still making a profit.....
Aus car needs to sell at 40,000+ to created profit..... Tariff's increase cost of living....
@@kylereese4822 They increase cost of living, but they also increase employment, skills and national durability, along with economic activity. This is the price of having successful industry. Economics is not a zero sum game.
@@daweigo6851 It would have worked if the Aussie gov't mandated all locally made vehicles only. That's what China has been doing by forced joint venture and, other more draconian cases, banning use of EV batteries made by foriegn companies (no EV subsidies or permit to manufacture EVs in China since 2015).
As a consumer I what the best product and the best price let the best brands win.
If I can afford a BMW I don't think I'd go, hmm should I get the BYD since it's so much cheaper. Never, the Chinese cars will sell to people who cannot afford new cars. So this segment of people win. And this segment is also getting larger. So why not?
If you're wondering how a consumer product that is online, has cameras, and a giant flammable battery, could be a national security issue, then you need only look to the recent communication device issues in Lebanon.
you are comparing pagers that were tampered with and had explosives put into them with remote detonators to ev cars...is your IQ in the single digits?
chinese cars are value for money. don't understand why we having such topic. cars only not politics . without Chinese cars toyota can charge whatever they want
Due to the rapid development of Chinese car companies in recent years, the market share of foreign car companies in the Chinese car market has recently dropped from 65% to 35%, and the prices of these foreign brands have also dropped sharply by about 40% to 50%. It is believed that this phenomenon will also occur in many countries that choose free trade in the coming years. That's good for any consumer, even if you don't choose to buy a Chinese car.
Sure, you can hate chinese cars for whatever reason. But these cheap chinese cars making your beloved merican, european, or japanese cars cheaper.
It's just that simple, free market, as a Chinese, I don't even care about how ozs think about Chinese cars, I only hope there are more competitors, I wanna see a ancap 5star phev with HUD, ACC, lcc, premium sound system, heat and ventilator seats, 7 years warrenty etc. and sales under $30k, instead of $40k corolla, with nothing inside.
Banning free trade is basically going back to Soviet days..
There is no free trade in any country that has heavy industry. That is why they still have such industry. We became "Free Trade" and lost our industry. Europe, US, Japan, China et al all still have tariff and tax walls, along with direct subsidies.
@@greggregson9687 tariffs are not bans, tariffs are to allow companies to have more time to catch up and compete. These 100%-200% tariffs are just a renamed term for a blanket bans, which is cutting off free trade. Soon the USA will only have products made by ‘allies’ and nothing from the outside world would be able to get in. Doesn’t that remind you of the Soviet era lol.
@@furikuri23 If by Soviet Era you mean just about everyone? Then yes. I am not sure how old you are, but I can assure you, back in the 60's, 70's and even 80's, it was quite normal for tariffs of the size you mentioned to range across most western countries. Taking cars as an example (you can extrapolate this to just about every other sector, including computing, that Australia manufactured), it was normal for many manufacturers to open plants in various countries just so they could enter that market and avoid the massive tariffs. In Australia alone, there were many different car manufacturers here mass producing cars, trucks, commerical vehicles and so on, including but not limited to; Ford, GM, Chrysler, Renault, Peugeot, Volkswagen, Mitsubishi, Nissan, Toyota, Hillman, Lightburn, Leyland, Rover....and I forget the rest, but there were others.
@@greggregson9687 so your idea is to have the Chinese opening plants in western countries by imposing tariffs high enough to curb imports of their products? Do you think that’s remotely possible? Did the Soviet Union open plants in a western country back then? Even if they wanted to they can’t, and that’s free? Or free only when the rules favour the Western system?
Those who built this country on free market are arguing for not having free market for cars. If chinese are susbsiding their car industry then good for us , we will take that subsidy with open arms.
So... Washington finally give an edict eh.
Since the Australian Government killed the Australian Car Manufacturing Industry, the Australian Government must not implement a trade tarrif on vehicles imported from China to help ease the cost of living crisis Australia is currently experincing right now. I will love to see a video on the history of the Australian Luxury Car Tax.
As a Canadian I'm ashamed of my government following the Americans banning Chinese cars. I'm actually in the market for an EV or PHEV. I'm going to hold out buying a new car until I'm able to buy a Chinese car. I'm simply boycotting US, Japanese, or European cars as a protest against this policy. I'm going to look for a China made Tesla in the used market instead.
We need more competition. Don't ban the Chinese Evs. Or else we'll be forced to pay more for American or European, maybe Japanese cars. Look at the car market rn, it's overpriced
Yeah, nah! Chinese cars are keeping the bastards honest! The other car brands are over priced. Today I went and saw the new Amarok V6 and its $80k. Just ridiculous. Nice videos boys!
The real point in all of this is the government needs to step the F up and enforce new manufactures are meeting all required safety standards, providing proper after sales support and spare parts. At the moment there are far too many manufacturers to operate sustainably in Australia’s relatively small market with even giant’s such as Nissan reconsidering long term viability.