Understanding You as a Bowler | Bowling Ball P.A.P.
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- As a coach, understanding a player’s P.A.P. helps them to understand what type of player they are dealing with, which in turn allows them to offer more individualized coaching instruction.
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you sir, are a very good speaker. you're very well spoken I enjoyed watching your video. educational.
So much more to it than i thought holy crap. I have a Brunswick Exile that someone gave me on league 2 yrs ago and ive been ripping strikes with it. I cant imagine the damage i would cause down lane with a ball drilled for my hand. Guess its time to find out. Amazing video by the way. Great explaination of everything and easy to understand. Rock on fellow bowlers 🤙
The best Video so far explaining P.A.P. I need to hire this guy as a coach.... A + !!!
This is the best explanation of P.A.P. I've seen so far.
I haven't bowled for 30 years, purchased a used bowling ball from the pro shop, have bowled maybe a dozen practice games, first game 103 next game 160, next game 223, last game bowled 234. the pro shop must have know what he was doing ! So next time i purchase a new bowling and will incorporate this info. for my new ball. Thank you for posting this technique, I will review this with my pro shop.
This was Awesome information!!! I learned so much about understanding my P.A.P. It has never been explained to me like this before!
Dude, this guy is like the bowling ball God. Holy crap that was an amazing video!
The Bob Ross of drilling. "Here we have a happy little core and he's just heading for the center of the lane."
hahaha
Great explanation. Watching from Germany 🇩🇪
This combined with how lanes are oiled has blown my mind on bowling.
This P.A.P to pin thing now really make sense to me ;) I tried to master it myself with a (Roto Grip) bowling ball manual with examples with pin layouts. I did understand that the pin placement had something to do with an early or later ball reaction but this was my missing link. Thank you for explaining this. As allways, you are never to old to learn something. :D
+Peter Bakker Also, look at it this way, for symm's, shorter pins to pap of 4 - 2 3/4 is going to burn tilt and axis rotation good for people with tilt in the 20-25 degree range or for people who have faster ball speed and more axis rotation. For pins to pap on an asymm ball, the longer you go from 4 - 5 1/2 it will burn tilt and axis rotation and want to role forward, shorter pin to paps of 4 - 2 1/2 will cause the ball to retain the tilt and axis rotation that the bowler had put on the ball, good for lower ball speeds, lighter volume patterns, broken down house shots where a person needs to move in and hook the ball more. Each one has its purpose, but the main goal is choose the proper ball to begin with, then layout, possible weight hole then surface prep and cleaning of course. An informed bowler makes smart ball purchases, not just buys a ball because someone else has it or the proshop guy suggests it.
+Peter Bakker I wanted to add that, for short pin (3 - 1 3/4 to paps on a symm cored ball, the ball is going to flare less as you get towards the 1 3/4 pin to pap), this shorter pin to pap is going to make the core of the ball want to start its hook and role phase quite a bit sooner therefore making the ball have a mellow hook motion to it. Good for wet dry lane conditions as well as the others I had mentioned in my previous post. Basically a control layout, helps the ball not jumpy or snap going from the oil to the dry on the lane.
MrZocor Does it have to make total sense or even a bit of sense when all you need to see is that a particular layout for instance produces this specific reaction on the lane condition for what the ball and layout was chosen for. If you have a pin to pap of 5 1/4 on a symm medium reaction ball then you will get length and some backend movement. Longer pin to paps on symm cored balls reduce flare and push the ball down the lane before it starts reacting for 1 example. What is so hard about seeing this?
Ever see someone role a ball with a 5 1/2" pin to their positive axis point compared to a 4" pin to their pap? Which ball wants to start hooking sooner?
Ok Thanks. That makes it very easy to understand. I like your uncomplicated simplistic approach to ball layouts. Most of these pro shops make it very complicated with a lot of technical jargon. Thank you for putting it in layman's terms that any dim bulb can understand.
This was really explained well for me to understand much better. Thank you!!!
Seeing this video, being a noob at bowling, makes me understand how much more deep bowling is than just a "how to curve a bowling ball !11!11!" youtube tutorial ... -_-
NUKE, haha, I was thinking the same thing. I’ll just stick to throwing it strait down the center of the lane😂😂
suny123boy1 some of us just bowl for fun 🤷🏻♂️
Miss bowling at STonehedge in the Falls with ya Hank!
Vernon, with your closely matched revs to speed, a benchmark layout similar to what someone else previous suggested. However, he did not take into consideration of your low axis rotation and your SUPER low tilt. On a symmetrical ball such as the sky rocket, low tilt and axis rotation is going to burn both halfway down the lane. With that ball I'd highly suggest 55-60 X 4 13/16 x 35. That will help retain both the axis tilt and rotation you impart on the ball, therefore going long, and snapping extremely hard once it encounters friction. Good luck buddy
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Hi new to the game and only been playing for about a year I average about 176 some times higher and sometimes in to the 200s I have always been a straight ball player but have started to do the hook and finding it much better, anyway I have been watching your videos and very interested it what yous guys say and teach as I love the physics of the hole thing very interesting thanks for your videos will keep watching
To determine the PAP don't you have to have the ball drilled first and roll it to determine your track? How would you determine the PAP before the ball is drilled so they know where to locate the pin when drilling?
Your most used ball is used to track the P.A.P. Then that is applied to the new ball. If it is your very first ball, then I don't know.
99% of people aren’t worried about pin position and PAP when getting their first ball lol
more helpful than any vid I watched so far
It was good to see Ron Hoppe again. I last saw Ron about five years ago at Darrell Storkson's Evergreen Lanes in Everett, Washington. I bowled against Ron in the Seattle area nearly fifty years ago and have watched Ron's career as a coach and ball driller evolve over the years. Incidentally I drilled Ebonite balls in the early sixties while attending the University of Washington.. How many remember the "curval" drilling?
"RHINO TAKES DOWN A POACHER IN THE SERENGETI FOR A HAMBONE!"
He had been saving that one all day lmao
When drawing out the oil line with the grease pencil do I go top of flare bottom of flare center of flare to figure out the line
Your PAP changes depending on your release or if you cock wrist come around ball or through it. People don't realize you PAP can change game to game so don't worry about this information really. Drillings only effect the ball motion about 5-10 percent. People get too caught up in the science of bowling balls... just put some holes in the ball and find your own game.
The point he made of manipulating the distances from PAP(pos axs pnt) to the pin ,to the beginning track line gives a science to it. You can move leverage on the surfaces to get a ball to stretch it hook start area or shorten it up closer to you. Closer to you might be for a heavier oil pattern. Stretching out the hook start area might be for a more friction condition.(less oil volume.) Then you come to the surface of the ball you can change too.Uuugh! Ball Speed!
Hand release angles. On and On and On. Confucius says, yeah lets do all that!
But umm if were using a ball that isnt correctly drilled wouldnt the pap be off?
I need to throw a my bowling ball to find my PAP after getting it drilled? If somehow I get it wrong, so I need a redrill?
Vernon: how about 70x3 3/4x40. That will be late and probably not straighten out. I drilled a Track LX05 today 70x3 3/8x50 with x-hole in P2. It rolles great!
Fantastic tutorial. 👍👍
anyone know of a good proshop having someone who understands ball layouts
Can't you just get the pap by throwing the ball down the lane and seeing where the tape spins upon release?
I got my first ball drilled a few months ago and now I’m trying to learn about PAP and stuff. My oil track with this current ball goes over my middle finger hole, is this a bad thing?
Can you find your PAP if the ball your using doesn’t fit you properly
Where I get my bowling balls you are not allowed to use a lane to find your PAP. You don't even get to try the ball (that is, some free shots on a lane as part of the service of buying the ball) after it's been drilled to see if you need an adjustment on the finger holes. For some reason, this always reminds of when I was a kid and went to Hershey Park in Pennsylvania and they didn't give out a free Hershey bar. Anyhow, the pro shop guy just drills the ball based on whatever is considered standard for that ball. There is no customization. After paying for a lane and playing, then you can go back if there is a problem. And because there is league most every night when the pro shop is open (it is only open at night), there is no chance to take care of it in one visit because there are no lanes available to play on. Life in the big city I guess. I wonder if anyone reading this ever really received one-on-one help when being fit for a bowling ball or is the ball just drilled based on the recommendation of the ball manufacturer?
I have that same storm basketball ball that you have sitting in your shop!
And what does the extra hole do? Does it matter how the ball hooks?
It would be nice if most drillers knew this info because I can't find one who does. I know how to find my P.A.P considering I have studied the subject, but, getting my local Pro Shop to understand it is a useless endeavor. I asked them if they had an Armadillo so I could get my P.A.P and they had no idea what an Armadillo is. I tried to explain why it matters to 3 different drillers after they asked me "why does it matter"? In each case they said to just tell them what I was looking for out of the ball and they would get me set up right. That seems to fly in the face of everything I have learned about the subject. Maybe someone needs to require that all Pro-Shop's know this info since apparently it is vital to know before you drill any ball.
Travis Kibel in all honesty I didn't know about the armadillo but it's on my shopping list. and I agree there are pro shops out there with know it all's.
Travis Kibel
Travis Kibel
Travis Kibel liked this vid but i havent read anything. so i dnt know wtf he's talking about
Travis Kibel I totally agree, I'm new to bowling so trying to learn myself and I can't find a good pro shop here either. Also it seems when I got my first ball there is no way to know my pap until I get a ball drilled for my hand, know I got to get my pap from it and get another ball drilled the way I want.
Can you look at the track and get an idea of what degree your axis tilt is? Mine looks like the track on this ball but I don't know what to do with that info.
Vernon: shift the cg to desired sideweight. Pin distance is important, drilling angle not so much on symetrical.
+Peter Hellström Side weight really does nothing for ball reaction except to allow the use of a decent balance hole to alter reaction while not creating too much negative or any negative side weight, now higher top weight will have more bearing on ball reaction. Mo Pinel can attest to this in his recent studies.
+Josh Writz I totally agree :)
Peter Hellström
I had an older storm ball, a jolt solid with a short pin of around 3/4". Pin was 5" from my axis right under my ring with the cg like 4 1/2 from my pap no hole. The nature of the balls core was more rolling, but it must of had decent top weight because it got down the lane and had a pretty good backend for a weaker ball like the backend of the storm's new ball the Lock thrown by the people at bowlingball.com. Same thing with creating more thumb weight to get the ball rolling sooner and heavier.
I've got a question... I have been out of bowling for years, since 2004 to be exact. But I heard someone earlier this bowling season (before the Covid 19 crisis) that the rules had changed and balance holes are now illegal and the side/finger/thumb weight limits had all changed too. But I have not been able to find the answer to this; what about people who owned bowling balls that had balance holes in them prior to the rule change? Would those balls be grandfathered out after a certain amount of time or would they be illegal right from the start?
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When I was looking it seemed like they were illegal now. Guy at my local pro shop said it was illegal in the sanctioned leagues. But not sure how try it was. Although I plugged it and got the ball re-drilled.
Different ball has different PAP then for what use finding PAP ?
Thanks for the question.
The bowling balls should have the same PAP (Positive Axis Point) if measured correctly.
The pin placement can be different depending on where and when you want the bowling ball to hook.
Check out this video for more on the subject.
www.nationalbowlingacademy.com/video/pin-placement-bowling-ball-025349
Thanks for watching.
Fascinating. but... What does the PAP really do? So what? You've purchased a really nice ball. Great reviews. Good RG. Your ball is drilled to perfection to the relation of your hand. Sure, the PAP is the axis point of rotation, but what does it matter? Does it affect your game? I don't understand. It's your 'thumbprint'. Ok, but will it affect or improve my game at all? Help...
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@@NationalBowlingAcademy this is worse than not answering at all
This helped. Thank you!
this is great info but i have a couple questions. How do you know how to drill the ball in the first place as far as where to put the pin placement etc? Are those extra holes allowed by the USBC and PBA?
+Christopher Black For the pin placement from your PAP or positive axis point, longer pin to paps on symm cored balls from 4" - 5 1/2" above the fingers reduce flare allowing the ball to have a longer first transition or skid phase before saving more energy for the backend, going shorter pin to pap on a symm cored ball from 3" - 1 3/4" also allows less flare, but produces an earlier smoother ball motion so a shorter skid phase and a longer hook zone or arc. For asymm cored balls, longer pin to paps of 4" - 5 1/2" above the fingers produce good flare, but towards 5 1/2 the ball will want to hook and role forward much sooner when encountering friction good for longer heavier patterns, shorter pin to paps of 4" - 2 1/4" and going towards 2 1/4 reduces the flare, pushes the ball down the lane creating a longer first transition or skid phase shorter hook phase or more of a hockey stick type reaction. Each one has its purpose, but each layout chosen is based off a bowlers specs and lane condition and can also be tailored to a specific ball as well.
+Christopher Black Extra holes or specifically a balance hole ( only 1 allowed) can be used to make a ball legal so just a bit under 1 ounce, finger, side and thumb weight, or can be used to further strengthen or weaken a ball if the ball motion needs to be tweaked some. Surface also plays a role in strengthening or weakening a balls motion.
always wondered what that was, now that I know I can try to figure mine out, don't know where I'd get that equipment tho:S
+MTSpade You can find the tools on most bowling websites, I ordered mine from BowlingIndex.com
would placing my PAP at yhe leverage distance be a good palce to start for a beginning bowler. I dont have a PAP because I have never had a ball drilled before and I can barely hold a house ball because my hands are huge. I am afraid that my 1st ball will be drilled incorrectly which reduces the action of the ball and makes me overcompensate for it
Really confused who these videos are for. When I was in youth leagues the coaches were just someones dad who bowled in an adult league averaging around 180. No one ever taught us about the balls.
+Woodshadow Depending on how old you are, and what type of equipment you started with,, it really didnt matter back in the 80s,, the balls were 2 piece balls, meaning one solid core and a cover, now you have Weight blocks that are Symmetrical and Asymmetrical , with pins and CGs , the design of the ball is much more advanced , thus so are the layouts and the characteristics of the ball as well. Thus now it has become more of a science of Revolutions and Gyration ,, where back then, it was more based on the Fundimentals, as that what would create ball motion,, as the ball was more like a TIRE (so to say) and what you did with them would determine where they went and their motions ,, where todays balls Are like an Engine and create their own motions above and beyond what you can control :)
+Woodshadow To further what Johnnie C said, in this day and age, teaching kids or high school students not only about the different aspects of the physical game, but also about the equipment side of the game is important not only for personal reasons but also for money reasons as well. Get too many balls drilled wrong and total waste of money. Get the right balls and specific layouts for these balls and it turns into a good investment for a period of time before they wear out or possibly crack and have to be replaced. Buying many things in life ranging from tires, to dishes to cloths is the same concept, buying good products that have been proven over time makes the money spent worth it in the short n long term. There is soo much to say on this subject about kinds/youth and bowling that 100's of pages could be devoted on this subject, but it all has to start at the base level and that is "what is bowling" and what does a person need to dive into being competitive if one chooses to take that step.
in order to find the pap the ball has to be drilled, the bowler throws it down the lane, track is marked and they can determine the pap. But what then? If it's not correct as the ball has to be filled and then redrilled to realign the weight block? I guess I'm not understanding that part
Hi,
Here are simple instructions for finding a positive axis point (pap) using the “Armadillo.”
* Wipe the bowling ball surface clean and remove any existing oil lines
* Have the bowler throw a shot
* After the ball comes back use a grease pencil to trace
the first ball track flare ring (typically the closest to the fingers
and thumb)
* For a ball that’s hooked right to left place the “axis
point” indicator of the tool to the right (for a ball hooking left to
right - to the left) and line up the grease pencil mark(s) with an area
or line on the Armadillo that matches the path best
* Mark the spot labeled “axis point” on the small side of the Armadillo and that will be the bowler’s axis point.
This will locate the bowler’s initial pap and the
coordinates for this spot are commonly used to layout and drill a
bowlers’ equipment. You can also use this location to calculate RPM’s
(revolutions per minute).
To accurately calculate the revolution rate imparted by
the bowler you can use a video camera and tape. To acquire a revolution
rate, follow these steps:
1. Mark the bowlers Positive Axis Point (PAP).
2. Place tape from the PAP too above the finger holes.
3. Film a delivery and play it back counting the number of
frames from the time the balls released until the tape returns, one
revolution, to its original position.
4. Input the video frame rate, and number of frames for one revolution into the RPM Rate Calculator at the following site: www.bowlingitrc.com/tools/
5. RPM Rate is displayed on the site.
The tape on the PAP should be stable initially, off the
bowler’s hand, and as the ball travels down lane the PAP will change
positions if the ball flares. Once the ball enters the “roll” phase of
ball motion the tape from the PAP to the finger holes should be rolling
end-over-end. The sooner the tape reaches this end-over-end visual the
sooner the balls in the “roll” phase. There are several other videos on the Bowling Academy to
help explain the phases of ball motion and how the change the roll of
the ball on the lane effectively for scoring. Below is a list to get
you started.
1. “Understanding Bowling Ball Motion”
2. “Breaking Down Ball Motion - Bowling Training Video”
3. “Utilizing Bowling Ball Reaction to Improve Your Score”
Thanks for continuing with the Bowling Academy.
I have a question that I haven't found an answer for it yet. Let say I want to drill a new bowling ball, but since I'm traveling, I didn't bring my bowling ball, just my shoes because I want to purchase a new ball. I also didn't bring my layout with me, since I want to have all my measures retaken, just in case my PSO is not doing a good job, or I want to try something new. Since I don't have a ball, how can you measure my PAP? Can you do it with a house ball?
Hello and thanks for the question.
You will not be able to get your PAP from a house ball.
You can Identify what type of ball roll you have by watching this video.
www.nationalbowlingacademy.com/video/bowling-style-oil-track-017148/
This will help your new pro shop operator when determining your layout after taking your measurements.
I would also snap some pictures of the layouts of your other bowling balls on your phone. Just good talking points, likes and dislikes.
Here are some additional videos from our coaches on fit to help arm you with as much information as possible.
www.nationalbowlingacademy.com/video/finding-your-bowling-ball-pap-005800/
www.nationalbowlingacademy.com/video/elements-of-a-bowling-ball-fitting-005712/
www.nationalbowlingacademy.com/video/proper-bowling-ball-fit-varies-by-hand-009303/
www.nationalbowlingacademy.com/video/making-adjustments-to-the-surface-of-your-bowling-equipment-005550/
www.nationalbowlingacademy.com/product/ball-motion-layouts-video-download/
Thanks for watching and good luck with your new ball.
Jason-National Bowling Academy
Does this same method work for a "Full Roller" player? I can't seem to find the right person(s) who can help with my style, so I'm having to see these videos and adapt them to my self instruction.
Hello and thanks for the question.
Yes the same concept applies.
Thanks for watching!
Jason-National Bowling Academy
Because I’m young and am not going for a pro career in bowling, this stuff doesn’t matter to me because I can just adjust my swing to whatever I’m using. You don’t adjust the bullet of your gun, you adjust your sights.
great video
Can you find your PAP using someone elses ball with a smaller fit to your hand?
Hi Justin. You can but it wouldn’t be recommended unless the fit was very close to your own. If you are throwing a ball with a span, pitches, or hole sizes different than your own it will change the way the ball sits on your hand and how you release the ball, which will all have an effect on your ball track and axis point. More than likely any data you get using that ball will be different than information you would get using your own equipment. Your local pro shop professional should be able to help you find your positive axis point while using your own bowling ball and it should just take a few minutes.Thanks for watching! Thanks.
all my measurements were taken at itrc center in texas.
Do these same concepts apply to a full roller, specifically an "over-rolled" full roller?
Hi,
The Positive Axis Point (PAP) mapping applies to any type of bowler. Locating the initial oil rings and marking them to locate the players PAP help a coach/bowler or player understand their game, as Coach Boomershine described.
We’re unsure what an “over-rolled” full roller is and would need more information about it before making a specific recommendation about equipment or layout.
The layout information in the video can apply to a “full roller’s” or any bowlers type of equipment. Consult a USBC certified coach or IBPSIA pro shop technician for more detail or specifics regarding your layouts and ball motion.
Thanks for continuing with the Bowling Academy.
Stephen Padilla
May I know what is P.A.P. stand for..cos I just beginner. Thanks
Hi,
“PAP” is an acronym for Positive Axis Point. It’s the axis around which the ball rotates during one complete flare or revolution. The positive axis point most associates with a bowlers release is the most important to reference when programming layouts into the ball to be effective for a specific player and/or lane condition.
Thanks for continuing with the Bowling Academy.
Is knowing my PAP needed if I am just bowling for recreation? I am on a league but I am not planning on going professional.
I would say yes, because having the PAP allows the person drilling the ball to give you exactly what you're looking for in a ball
thanks for tips
I just bought a 14lb 4 inch pin Storm Sky Rocket. My track is Very Close to my thumb about 1/4 of a inch from the thumb and about 1 inch from my fingers. . my rph is 290., rotation is 40 degreees, tilt 3 degrees., how would i drill this for a very sharp backend reaction and for it not to roll out, want a very sharp backend and for it to keep going left, not grab and straighten out, i have 15 mph ball speed,
+Vernon Tyler With "only" 40 degrees of axis rotation or side role we simply can not drill a ball that will do what you describe. A ball having a backend like you describe can only happen when a bowler can increase his/her axis rotation or side role from 55-70 degrees range. For your specs as a bowler, this type of reaction is NOT going to be easy to control. Creating a sharp backend has limited uses on most lane conditions especially on a house shot where there is already the dry area on the outside of the lane at 35-40 feet. I believe it would be much more beneficial if you rethink having a ball drilled to try and achieve this type of reaction.
+Vernon Tyler How was your tilt measured? I assume you bowl on a house shot? What is the length and volume and what other equipment do you currently own/bowl with?
+Josh Writz it just seems alot of my bowling balls if I have any type of speed on the ball. I throw over 14 at the arrows and let it go out to around 7 board at about 42 ish feet and it will only come back and hit the 3 pin head on. that's about as much backend reaction as I will get unless I slow the ball down even more to like 13.5 mph. then I can get the ball to come back to the pocket. but I rather not slow my swing down at all. at itrc my normal ball speed swing is 18 to 19 mph . just at that speed my ball has no back end on it at all. unless lanes have almost no oil.
what's the best way too clean the bowling ball? Alcohol? or. ball cleaner.
sagatbalrog you are a nast. guy. l hope you enjoy your own pisst.
Ball cleaner is good but expensive. I've had good success with a 1:0.75:0.25 ratio of simple green, distilled water, and isopropyl alcohol.
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Does it work the same for a two handed bowlerI'm a full roller
Hi Justin. Finding a bowlers Positive Axis Point (PAP) is the same technique and delivers the same information for a two-handed bowler as it does for the traditional one handed bowler.
The oil track that goes around the ball is also known as the PAP Smear
Unrelated, your speaking style is like Andy Stanley. Not sure why I posted.
It sucks that the balance hole won’t matter any longer in 2020 with the new regulation.
How come my ball rolled over my finger hole?
Hello and thanks for the question.
There are a few reasons why your ball is tracking over your finger holes.
Make these adjustments one at a time and eliminate what doesn’t work until you get to what does.
Change your release
Check your layout (pin placement may have to move up)
Check your fingers pitch angles
If it’s physical game mechanics or layout adjustments, your pro shop operator should be able to help you out.
Thanks for watching.
@@NationalBowlingAcademy thanks for the info... I'm new to bowling 😁
I am trying to get back into bowling since taking off a 10 year break, so would changing the finger placement affect your P.A.P? I need to figure out the best finger placement for myself when I have my new ball drilled.
+Tj1056 No, it won't affect your PAP. Like he said, it's your thumbprint as to how you throw the ball. Your finger placement in relation to the pin, cg and mass bias (layouts) will affect the ball reaction. Your local proshop operator should be able to help you figure out the best layout for the reaction you are looking for on the pattern you plan on playing on.
Yuma Scott so the thing is I am using my moms old ball because my old ball split in half and the finger holes are just slightly closer together on hers, do you think that would affect how I throw the ball enough to change the PAP?
No. After you've thrown it a few times I would suggest taking it to a local pro shop and have them check it. Unless you have the tools to check yourself. Chances are, unless you guys have identical balls and layouts, the ball will react differently, but not because of your pap.
Yuma Scott
ok cool I think I understand it a bit more, the reading for the PAP is all in how you throw it and not much to do with any other things like oil and stuff. The ball I am using right now to get my PAP is a light oil ball and I am using it on a medium oil track so it does not get much hook lol, the ball does seem to have a lot of flare when I look at the oil line on it though it tends to have a lot of lines as if its always changing the part of the ball its rolling on.
+Tj1056 Yep those are flare lines you are seeing. That's when the ball is transitioning from hook into roll phase trying to stabilize itself. This is controlled by pin to pap distance, mostly. The more unstable the layout, the more flare. I hope this helps.
No pro shop will ever do this for the average person. Or any where close to as thorough of a job as this when selling you a ball. Baseline hand measurements is all u get. Then u get a ball. Take it or leave it.
Sounds like you need to go to a better bowling center.
Or.
Go more than once in awhile.
@Marco Deo Not willing to drive an hour to get 'er drilled right? Filthy casual bowler! (I jest, I'd drive an hour. But I gotta drive long distances all the time to do anything fun.) I hate having to redrill a ball, I feel you on that.
Novice here: why is finding the PAP important and what does this even do for you? Videos on RUclips are terrible at explaining the logic behind finding this. From the videos, I understand HOW to find it. I understand it’s different for each player with each bowling ball.... but beyond that - the why is where I’m lost. The ball is already drilled. It’s not like you’re going back and re-drilling the ball as a result of your findings. It just seems like it information for the sake of information. Can someone explain please?
Thanks
the ball that you have drilled , use it. get the pap point first.then measure it from the center of your grip, to the pap point . example : 5 inches right, half inch up,(you measure it like a mapping, u dont measure it directly because u need to know where the pap exactly is) so then u got your bowlers id already! the next time you wanna drill a ball , you tell :" my pap is 5 inch right , half inch up , i want it the ball to skid longer a bit but high flare when it hooks) so they will do it according to your pap, where the ball rolls relatively. you can copy belmo's layout but you cant copy exactly where he puts his pin or his psa from his finger, because his pap is different.
what is he talking about? Is there supposed to be pins in your bowling ball?
Huh?🤷♂️
I'm not sure the purpose of the PAP
Why not show the ball reaction on an actual shot? Just talking about isn't instructive at all