Why? No disrespect to the adjudicators, but some of them must have had food coma and wax filled ears after dinner. Maria performed in the later portion of the second day 7:30pm session of the first round. OMG!!! How could Ms. Duenas not pass the first round?! After listening/watching all of the other competitors and all rounds, it was crystal clear that Ms. Duenas was the only true virtuoso who not only could play anything & everything effortlessly but with so much high octane abandon, electrifying intensity, sensitivity and heart felt passion. If I dare to criticize, was her playing perfect? No but neither was anyone else's playing. Although she used the original bowing for the 5th caprice, it didn't always sound so great. Perhaps she played the two least difficult movements of Bach but she made up for it with the Saint-Saens and Wieniawski. Sometimes her physical mannerisms, breathing and facial expressions may have been distracting to some judges but that's her personality and style. It was hard to believe how many sub-mediocre student level Bach G minor sonata players even qualified to participate in the first round. First prize winner, Hao Zhou's boyish smile was refreshing to see under tense competition and played an impressive Wieniawski A major Polonaise in an earlier round. The other prize winners were good students but the usual boring competition drones. In fact, one of them shouldn't have passed her first round after such a mediocre sonata performance. As someone (@winrx) commented earlier, I totally agree with the comment that the judges are not ready for someone like Duenas who goes against conventional competition playing. Like love, music is an international language. Ms. Duenas communicated so clearly and passionately what was in her mind, heart and soul through every phrase with surgical precision, sincere joy and genuine conviction. At international competitions, 99% of competitors play with calculated restraint to win points to pass to the next round. Ms. Duenas took chances. In fact, she didn't hold anything back. The others conveyed fear and/or every molded phrase that was engineered by their teachers. Maria Duenas is a rare talent and free spirit. Not to be confused with being reckless. It was sad to see her eliminated so early. Her Wieniawski merited the grand prize. There are many competition winners but a true virtuoso artist only comes around as often as a blue moon.
Sometimes it’s really just up to judges everyone has a different view on how people play Mozart, Bach, Paganini etc so maybe the panel of judges just thought other people were better.
The jury of that poor competition must have been deaf or asleep or…I don’t know!? Now in 2023 Maria Duenas is an artist of Deutsche Gramophon and tours around the world performing e.g. at Musikverein, Carnegie Hall etc.
The reason for her unfortunate placement may just be the judges aren’t ready for a player who goes against all the conventions with respect to phrasing and style. She plays with an unbridled passion the likes of which most have not seen before in recent times - and hopefully we will be seeing more of her.....!
exactly.... however she won the grand prix on Tretyakov's competition 2 days ago ruclips.net/video/sEeIUrwEr1o/видео.html&start_radio=1&rv=sEeIUrwEr1o&t=448
No pasaste a la final, pero ahora estás tocando con Abbado, Dudamel y la Filarmónica de Viena y Berlín. La vida acaba poniendo las cosas en su lugar. Ni caso a ese jurado de violinistas que querían triunfar y no pudieron. Bravo, María!
Maria has won other competitions as well. She is playing few levels above any competition so should stop to attend any. Maria has won Menuhin two years later. It is 2022 and I am chasing her on tour across Europe. Good decision of her and her team. No stupid competitions any more but her own tour!
I also listened to all the final winners and the only one I wanted to listen to was Duenas, who was passed on the first round. How was that possible? She is amazing. As with most things that are truly original they are often rejected at first. I admire the courage she has to never hold back and always do something original and interesting. Isn't that the point after all?
Maravillosa Maria ... sigue haciendo buena musica como siempre , los concursos son otra cosa solo son intereses creados .. la descision del tribunal solo los descalifica a ellos Wonderful Maria , keep making good music as always ,the Competitions are something diferent ,they are only vested interest , the jury's decision only disqualifies them ...
I am a montrealer; I was born near where that competition happened and I am so shameful about what happened to Maria at the first round. If I was a violonist I would break my instrument over my knee !
Outstanding, just fabulous 👏 How didn't she win the competition? How didn't she even pass 1st round, hahaha what a joke these juries lol they know little about violin if they can't see she's by far the best candidate..
The elimination of the Spanish violinist Maria Dueñas in the first round of the Montreal Competition does not make any sense. Why? To eliminate such a talented violinist can only be explained by an ill intentioned decision . The jury made a big mistake. The audience was carrier away by Maria´s performance and their opinion was clearly contrary to that of the "EXPERTS". Terrible....Jordi Cervelló. Composer
She has showed her marvellous personality, a taste for the old masters and modern playing... this is not common and not everybody is prepared for that... I am sorry to say that about the jurors, I know some of them but.... she is a STUNNING artist who has taken risks... brava, María!
Here we listen to the exceptional performances of the talented Maria Dueñas, she knowns how to capture her audience with the expression of emotions and the virtuosity of playing these music pieces. Yesterday evening (15/2/2020) we have been very lucky to be present at her playing the violin concierto of Beethoven, Re major, op.61 with the OBC orchestra in Barcelona, director Jan Willem de Vriend, it was beautiful, an amazing act of violin playing and excellent joining with the OBC, we have enjoyed it immensely, thank you & bravo Maria.
WHY she did not WIN this competition ?? !! (She did not even get to the 2nd round !! ) , Because she IS "TOO EXPRESSIVE , MUSICAL AND PASSIONATE " !! ,and THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF BORING !! Her interpretation GETS TO YOU !! --> TO PUT IT MILDLY !!
Srta Duenas is incomparable which makes her tough to judge and in truth she has no need to enter these very staid competitions as she was already on her way to where she is now, an international superstar. The renowned violinist Pierre Amoyal was on the jury and listeners might want to compare the very traditional (I think rather boring) way he interprets Paganini compared to Duenas who doesn't just play it but sets fire to it. Boris Kuschnir, a brilliant teacher and Duenas's teacher, was also on the jury but I am sure was recused from voting and the other jurists were unlikely to understand or want to understand how Bach, Paganini, Weniawski etc all needs to be reinterpreted through the eyes of the next generation in order to communicate with next generation. I believe Vengerov, Hahn, Shoji and others of the previous generation will be more than proud to pass the baton on to Srta Duenas just as I am sure Perlmann, Zukerman etc. who took it from Oistrakh, Menuhin, Stern, Haendel etc and handed it to Vengerov etc. and so it goes. Tastes are all personal but most recognise genius - Maria Duenas is a genius, gracious and one of the current outstanding virtuosi of today. Judges judge but great artists like Maria Duenas live and inspire. By coincidence she is currently in the Menuhin 2021 Violin (Seniors) Competition. She is already so far ahead of her competition after the first round and when you look at the jury panel for this competition, given their incredible combined talent not only in art of music but in the art of music as a form of communication not just entertainment, I can guarantee in a week's time there is only going to be one winner. After COVID restrictions are eased I am looking forward to her live performances. CMIM - get your act together or become irrelevant.
I love love love Maria Duenas but I haven’t seen your lie in April. Can u share their (Maria and miyazono) similarities so I might be interested in checking it out? Lol
Je trouve assez déconcertant que les gagnants de ce concours soient pratiquement des non-entités. Je ne les reconnais même pas. Ils sont inédits aujourd'hui dans les music-halls classiques. Le lauréat du premier prix a interprété un répertoire peu impressionnant au premier tour. Maria Dueñas aurait dû être la gagnante. Mais c'était en 2019, alors qu'elle avait à peine 17 ans.
@@zarjakriznikunilj I don't have a very extensive knowledge of performances of the piece, but the approach taken in even this (incomplete) performance is way more musical. ruclips.net/video/KFLYNubrCho/видео.html
@@jackburgess8579 Chloe is amazing, but I think Maria's reading is extremely musical as well. I love the exuberance and free spirit of her playing. But then again, it's also a thing of taste, and Maria's approach suits mine perfectly. I am, however, aware that she is a player with a very distinct style which might not be everyone's cup of tea.
@@zarjakriznikunilj I don't believe it is a matter of taste, and I don't believe that in your heart of hearts you do either! Of course there are different styles, e.g. in dress. But whereas which style to go for is a matter of taste - whim, even - whether one dresses "stylishly" is not. Within a style there are rules and boundaries. (Indeed, they help define it) One can approach a piece in different ways of course, and in particular the Wieniewski admits approaches that are different from Chloe's. But there are limits. No one would think that Mozart could bear the approach Maria takes here; but in reality Wieniawski is no different. I am all for exuberance, but there is a point at which passion because savagery, colourfulness becomes vulgarity; fortes become tub-thumping etc. (Of course, this isn't to deny the obvious fact that there are many pieces that positively require and revel in savagery.) The retreat to "a matter of taste" is a common one and it is commonly meant well but I don't think it is true to how we actually and sincerely think about such matters in even our everyday lives. Certainly, no one takes that line in music school, where every bar in a performance is subjected to intense critical scrutiny. Of course, even if I am right that the difference of opinion about the merits of Maria's approach doesn't reduce to a matter of taste, that isn't to say that my opinion as to its merits is correct.
I'm a self-taught violin amateur. I've always been a super super BIG fan of Maria Dueñas since even before Menuhin competition 2021. At first, I was just like most of the people who was being angry & unbelievable that the judges didn't let Maria pass the first round. Today after I listened carefully of this video. I found the possible reason. I thought the problem might be in the Saint-Saëns's piece, Introduction and Rondo Capriccioso. 1. She played too fast (she finished the whole piece less than 9 minutes!!), which caused some unclarity at some place. 2. As stated above, even a amateur like me, I heard that she made at least 5 obvious mistakes. If the non-obvious mistakes were also included, there were more than 10 mistakes I heard in this piece. 3. She didn't play the original notes in some places and I thought the judges just didn't like her rendition. 4. Maria played beautifully in each section, but I thought the whole picture of the musicality of this piece was not clear. Below is my favorite version for musicality of this piece on youtube: ruclips.net/video/PVx17G8RxOs/видео.html (she also played too fast) I just try to explain the possible reason of her failing and I still don't agree with the judges. There were 4 pieces, even Maria wasn't perfecting on Introduction and Rondo Capriccioso, I thought the judges should had let her pass to the 2nd round. If you are also a fan of Maria like me, I hope my explanation make you feel better for the judges' decision. Anyway, Maria is absolute world No.1 violinist now, who cares she didn't win CMIM 2019?
After watching this performance and reading these comments ridiculing how Maria did not pass the first round, it is evident that her technique and musicality are exceptional. But, I think she puts a lot of her own personality into these pieces, perhaps too much for the judges' liking. Frequently throughout the performance, Maria introduced a different style of approach, very different from the standard most players try to reach when playing the piece. Personally, I didn't like some of her interpretations, but that is a matter of opinion. To the judges, she might've strayed too far off from the original musical themes of the pieces, which is why she got eliminated. As a soloist, Maria's unique and energetic interpretations might serve her well in having her stand out from tradition, but competitions generally want to hear the piece performed in the traditional standard. And there is a reason why a standard exists: because the general consensus is that it sounds best when played that way. Competitions are not everything, and they exist for a reason. But you don't have to go that route. Hilary Hahn entered virtually no competitions, but she is successful. Ray Chen won back-to-back Menuhin and Queen Elizabeth, and he is also wildly successful. The point is, you must carve your own path, and competitions are not the only route.
I mean, is Not the Point of a competition to show your personality and Not play flat and discret trying Not to offend anyone? When i Go to a concert of a Solist I Go because is the difference, Not Standar.
Hmm. "General consensus". There's a lot of music that is unexpected when first composed and played. There is room for all music to grow in interpretation. There are many pieces where I have collected multiple versions over many years. Music is not tennis or football where we keep score, award points and make decisions about acceptability based on "who won".
Competitions are for horses, not for music. It is a pity that our carriers are tied to these competitions... Today most of jurors are a bunch of musical ignorants or, when not, the stupid socoring systems they use make the most avarage players to have higher scores than those who stand out... Juries in the past knew how to spot real musical talent, now a days they only count mistakes and dogmatic ideas about style. Old masters like Oistrakh and Perlaman would have never won today's stupid competitions. So much talent is being lost because of this ilogical quest for technical perfection... Those who prefer to follow the path of true music making get relegated behind.
I can only think about maphia reasons to not let her pass the first round, even having her own teacher in the jury. They must had seen in her a clear candidate to win the competition and just wanted to get rid of her. Her playing is exceptional, brilliant and expresive as it is hard to find in soloists nowadays, and the response of the audience proves it. Hopefully we will see her again in future competitions with more honest jury members.
Maria is one of my very favorite violinists however Bach is not a matter passion, technique, or ability in general. It is a matter of knowledge. A matter of harmony, geometry, math. She may have to tone back her passion. Bach is the most difficult composer to play on any instrument.
impossible. Maria must be receiving the notes via earpiece. There is no brain that retains those amounts of notes and at different speeds, there is none. and less playing 30 minutes or more. what a good trick. Another is that her brain has nothing to do with her two hands that are programmed to play those melodies. Another is that this is a copy of Maria Dueñas and it is an AI. What a good trick. She wipes her shoulder to make the public believe but she is a robot.
Why? No disrespect to the adjudicators, but some of them must have had food coma and wax filled ears after dinner. Maria performed in the later portion of the second day 7:30pm session of the first round. OMG!!! How could Ms. Duenas not pass the first round?! After listening/watching all of the other competitors and all rounds, it was crystal clear that Ms. Duenas was the only true virtuoso who not only could play anything & everything effortlessly but with so much high octane abandon, electrifying intensity, sensitivity and heart felt passion. If I dare to criticize, was her playing perfect? No but neither was anyone else's playing. Although she used the original bowing for the 5th caprice, it didn't always sound so great. Perhaps she played the two least difficult movements of Bach but she made up for it with the Saint-Saens and Wieniawski. Sometimes her physical mannerisms, breathing and facial expressions may have been distracting to some judges but that's her personality and style. It was hard to believe how many sub-mediocre student level Bach G minor sonata players even qualified to participate in the first round. First prize winner, Hao Zhou's boyish smile was refreshing to see under tense competition and played an impressive Wieniawski A major Polonaise in an earlier round. The other prize winners were good students but the usual boring competition drones. In fact, one of them shouldn't have passed her first round after such a mediocre sonata performance. As someone (@winrx) commented earlier, I totally agree with the comment that the judges are not ready for someone like Duenas who goes against conventional competition playing. Like love, music is an international language. Ms. Duenas communicated so clearly and passionately what was in her mind, heart and soul through every phrase with surgical precision, sincere joy and genuine conviction. At international competitions, 99% of competitors play with calculated restraint to win points to pass to the next round. Ms. Duenas took chances. In fact, she didn't hold anything back. The others conveyed fear and/or every molded phrase that was engineered by their teachers. Maria Duenas is a rare talent and free spirit. Not to be confused with being reckless. It was sad to see her eliminated so early. Her Wieniawski merited the grand prize. There are many competition winners but a true virtuoso artist only comes around as often as a blue moon.
@Bryan Lan About the time it takes to play through the Chaccone. Listening to all the competitors took much longer. Time to practice....
Sorry, probably her performance of Paganini was not up to par !
JEALOUSY Is why she did NOT win the hole competition !!
I agree with you, at the time I couldn't believe it, I still don't believe it and I congratulate you for commenting on it
Sometimes it’s really just up to judges everyone has a different view on how people play Mozart, Bach, Paganini etc so maybe the panel of judges just thought other people were better.
The jury of that poor competition must have been deaf or asleep or…I don’t know!? Now in 2023 Maria Duenas is an artist of Deutsche Gramophon and tours around the world performing e.g. at Musikverein, Carnegie Hall etc.
Totally agreed! Maria is a great artist with skills and passion.
Breathtaking and beautiful! A true musician! I cannot understand why she isn’t in the final! Fly! Nobody can stop you! Bravo!!
Veronique Robert prolly cuz she had to be back in class
Well, she just won 1st at the Senior 2021 Menuhin competition!! :)
¡ Excelente presentación !
¡ Muy buena presentación, gracias señorita Dueñas !
The reason for her unfortunate placement may just be the judges aren’t ready for a player who goes against all the conventions with respect to phrasing and style. She plays with an unbridled passion the likes of which most have not seen before in recent times - and hopefully we will be seeing more of her.....!
Jealousy IS the reason why she did not WIN the hole competition ! Her tune and interpretation reaches peoples "heart and soul" !!
Did you listen to that Paganini? Sloppy as hell. Not to mention that poor chamber work and inconsistent intonation.
I believe you've nailed it. Maria is a player of enormous talent.
ruclips.net/video/sEeIUrwEr1o/видео.html&start_radio=1&rv=sEeIUrwEr1o&t=448
@@22bomd ruclips.net/video/sEeIUrwEr1o/видео.html&start_radio=1&rv=sEeIUrwEr1o&t=448
Está más allá del estúpido criterio de aquellos que juzgan. Claramente, nunca tocaron como ella
The trully good ones don't need to win a competition
Ayyyyeeee this comment aged nicely lol
exactly.... however she won the grand prix on Tretyakov's competition 2 days ago ruclips.net/video/sEeIUrwEr1o/видео.html&start_radio=1&rv=sEeIUrwEr1o&t=448
Quelle virtuosité et quel tempérament de feu !! Ebouriffant ...
No pasaste a la final, pero ahora estás tocando con Abbado, Dudamel y la Filarmónica de Viena y Berlín. La vida acaba poniendo las cosas en su lugar. Ni caso a ese jurado de violinistas que querían triunfar y no pudieron. Bravo, María!
What amazing musicality ! Competition are for obedient well=trained clones not for an inspired amazingly talented young lady !👏🏻👍🏻❤️
If I believed in angels, Maria would be the reason.
Maria is the best violinist. She plays different kinds of music. The others can’t.
Competitions are all about traditional playing. She is beyond that, an artist in the making.
The jury of this competition should be ashamed. They will not see anything like this girl again, unless they plan on living a hundred years more!
Супер- музыкант! Невозможно оторваться!!!
Eliminée au premier tour? Peut-être un membre du jury pourrait-il nous éclairer sur cette décision, apparemment stupide?
La corruption existe à tous les niveaux et dans toutes les disciplines…
Maria has won other competitions as well. She is playing few levels above any competition so should stop to attend any. Maria has won Menuhin two years later. It is 2022 and I am chasing her on tour across Europe. Good decision of her and her team. No stupid competitions any more but her own tour!
Gracias María!!!! Tienes un don con el que embellecer y alegrar a la humanidad!! Orgullosa de ser compatriota!!!
Удивительная девочка! Море музыки! Браво Мария!!!!!
Maria Dueñas The best
Don't ever talk bad about this girl.She is awesome. Anybody else that's so bad?I don't know what the hell they're talking about.
Gracias excelente sonidos del violín muchas gracias gratitud ☀️🎻🌷💐🌹🌷💐🎻
An exceptional talent she is. She is an artist not just a violinist.
This is amazing!!!! Wow! It’s nearly unbelievable!!
I also listened to all the final winners and the only one I wanted to listen to was Duenas, who was passed on the first round. How was that possible? She is amazing. As with most things that are truly original they are often rejected at first. I admire the courage she has to never hold back and always do something original and interesting. Isn't that the point after all?
La meilleure interprétation de Wieniawski Thème Original Varié que j'aie jamais entendue.
Amazing! Such a great performance!
Amazing! The next Pogorelich?
MARIA DUENAS!!!!!!!! BRAVOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!
Maravillosa Maria ... sigue haciendo buena musica como siempre , los concursos son otra cosa solo son intereses creados .. la descision del tribunal solo los descalifica a ellos Wonderful Maria , keep making good music as always ,the Competitions are something diferent ,they are only vested interest , the jury's decision only disqualifies them ...
Very fine interpretation - one of the best - strong, right temperament - thank you!!!
I am a montrealer; I was born near where that competition happened and I am so shameful about what happened to Maria at the first round. If I was a violonist I would break my instrument over my knee !
Outstanding, just fabulous 👏
How didn't she win the competition? How didn't she even pass 1st round, hahaha what a joke these juries lol they know little about violin if they can't see she's by far the best candidate..
She plays Bach well. Bravo MARIA DUENAS and Good luck.
Genial!!!🌹
Excelente interpretación. Debiste merecer mucho más, pero sigue adelante.
I'm seeing her in concert next year. Can't wait.
Neophema aww
真是太棒了！兩者配合地完美無懈，一氣呵成，令人極度陶醉滿足！
對 ！
The elimination of the Spanish violinist Maria Dueñas in the first round of the Montreal Competition does not make any sense. Why?
To eliminate such a talented violinist can only be explained by an ill intentioned decision .
The jury made a big mistake. The audience was carrier away by Maria´s performance and their opinion was clearly contrary to that of the "EXPERTS". Terrible....Jordi Cervelló. Composer
She has showed her marvellous personality, a taste for the old masters and modern playing... this is not common and not everybody is prepared for that... I am sorry to say that about the jurors, I know some of them but.... she is a STUNNING artist who has taken risks... brava, María!
Мария - Королева !!!
The judges were on crack when judging this performance.
Que les den... Tenias que haber ganado María... Admiración de un fan tuyo 😂😊
impresionante Maria Dueñas!♡🎻🎼
Here we listen to the exceptional performances of the talented Maria Dueñas, she knowns how to capture her audience with the expression of emotions and the virtuosity of playing these music pieces. Yesterday evening (15/2/2020) we have been very lucky to be present at her playing the violin concierto of Beethoven, Re major, op.61 with the OBC orchestra in Barcelona, director Jan Willem de Vriend, it was beautiful, an amazing act of violin playing and excellent joining with the OBC, we have enjoyed it immensely, thank you & bravo Maria.
Magnifica María Dueñas.DE LO MEJORCITO!!!! Orgullosos de ti.
Estos jueces , deberían mirárselo, mejor el concurso debería mirar a estos "JUECES"
Гениально!!
자신을 소리로 표현이 멋집니다👏🥰
Maria is not human but celestial.
WHY she did not WIN this competition ?? !! (She did not even get to the 2nd round !! ) , Because she IS "TOO EXPRESSIVE , MUSICAL AND PASSIONATE " !! ,and THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF BORING !! Her interpretation GETS TO YOU !! --> TO PUT IT MILDLY !!
Judge? Of music? Flower show perhaps? Hearing aid batteries flat? That virtuoso has passion!
Bravo, so good playing, congratulations
Srta Duenas is incomparable which makes her tough to judge and in truth she has no need to enter these very staid competitions as she was already on her way to where she is now, an international superstar. The renowned violinist Pierre Amoyal was on the jury and listeners might want to compare the very traditional (I think rather boring) way he interprets Paganini compared to Duenas who doesn't just play it but sets fire to it. Boris Kuschnir, a brilliant teacher and Duenas's teacher, was also on the jury but I am sure was recused from voting and the other jurists were unlikely to understand or want to understand how Bach, Paganini, Weniawski etc all needs to be reinterpreted through the eyes of the next generation in order to communicate with next generation. I believe Vengerov, Hahn, Shoji and others of the previous generation will be more than proud to pass the baton on to Srta Duenas just as I am sure Perlmann, Zukerman etc. who took it from Oistrakh, Menuhin, Stern, Haendel etc and handed it to Vengerov etc. and so it goes. Tastes are all personal but most recognise genius - Maria Duenas is a genius, gracious and one of the current outstanding virtuosi of today. Judges judge but great artists like Maria Duenas live and inspire. By coincidence she is currently in the Menuhin 2021 Violin (Seniors) Competition. She is already so far ahead of her competition after the first round and when you look at the jury panel for this competition, given their incredible combined talent not only in art of music but in the art of music as a form of communication not just entertainment, I can guarantee in a week's time there is only going to be one winner. After COVID restrictions are eased I am looking forward to her live performances. CMIM - get your act together or become irrelevant.
@@BarNuun ...and indeed she has just won the Menuhin 2021 competition as I had predicted.
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The past six winners of the senior Menuhin are:
Xiang Yu; Kenneth Renshaw; Stephen Waarts; Ziyu He; Diana Adamyan and Maria Duenas.
This woman is the literall definition of Kaori Miyazono and I am here for it.
I love love love Maria Duenas but I haven’t seen your lie in April. Can u share their (Maria and miyazono) similarities so I might be interested in checking it out? Lol
They eliminated her on the first round so the other participants could stand a chance to win 🫠
It's just awesome ✨☺
Tiene un talento que pasará mucho tiempo antes que nazca alguien que intente hacerle sombra. BRAVO
En realidad hay varias promesas jóvenes
Bravo María.
Vaya jurado incapaz
Bravo to Maria and best wishes to her. Checking the jury of that year, I can see why they eliminated Maria. Those judges are of certain level…
apaixonante
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Je trouve assez déconcertant que les gagnants de ce concours soient pratiquement des non-entités. Je ne les reconnais même pas. Ils sont inédits aujourd'hui dans les music-halls classiques. Le lauréat du premier prix a interprété un répertoire peu impressionnant au premier tour. Maria Dueñas aurait dû être la gagnante. Mais c'était en 2019, alors qu'elle avait à peine 17 ans.
Let's see now in the Menuhin, a younger jury with a hopefully more of an open mind...
The Wieniawski is indefensible. Let us see now in the Menuhin whether Maria has learnt the lesson.
@@jackburgess8579 I thought the Wieniawski was terrific. It's my favourite version of the piece.
@@zarjakriznikunilj
I don't have a very extensive knowledge of performances of the piece, but the approach taken in even this (incomplete) performance is way more musical.
ruclips.net/video/KFLYNubrCho/видео.html
@@jackburgess8579 Chloe is amazing, but I think Maria's reading is extremely musical as well. I love the exuberance and free spirit of her playing. But then again, it's also a thing of taste, and Maria's approach suits mine perfectly. I am, however, aware that she is a player with a very distinct style which might not be everyone's cup of tea.
@@zarjakriznikunilj
I don't believe it is a matter of taste, and I don't believe that in your heart of hearts you do either!
Of course there are different styles, e.g. in dress. But whereas which style to go for is a matter of taste - whim, even - whether one dresses "stylishly" is not. Within a style there are rules and boundaries. (Indeed, they help define it)
One can approach a piece in different ways of course, and in particular the Wieniewski admits approaches that are different from Chloe's. But there are limits.
No one would think that Mozart could bear the approach Maria takes here; but in reality Wieniawski is no different.
I am all for exuberance, but there is a point at which passion because savagery, colourfulness becomes vulgarity; fortes become tub-thumping etc. (Of course, this isn't to deny the obvious fact that there are many pieces that positively require and revel in savagery.)
The retreat to "a matter of taste" is a common one and it is commonly meant well but I don't think it is true to how we actually and sincerely think about such matters in even our everyday lives. Certainly, no one takes that line in music school, where every bar in a performance is subjected to intense critical scrutiny.
Of course, even if I am right that the difference of opinion about the merits of Maria's approach doesn't reduce to a matter of taste, that isn't to say that my opinion as to its merits is correct.
I'm a self-taught violin amateur. I've always been a super super BIG fan of Maria Dueñas since even before Menuhin competition 2021. At first, I was just like most of the people who was being angry & unbelievable that the judges didn't let Maria pass the first round.
Today after I listened carefully of this video. I found the possible reason. I thought the problem might be in the Saint-Saëns's piece, Introduction and Rondo Capriccioso.
1. She played too fast (she finished the whole piece less than 9 minutes!!), which caused some unclarity at some place.
2. As stated above, even a amateur like me, I heard that she made at least 5 obvious mistakes. If the non-obvious mistakes were also included, there were more than 10 mistakes I heard in this piece.
3. She didn't play the original notes in some places and I thought the judges just didn't like her rendition.
4. Maria played beautifully in each section, but I thought the whole picture of the musicality of this piece was not clear. Below is my favorite version for musicality of this piece on youtube: ruclips.net/video/PVx17G8RxOs/видео.html (she also played too fast)
I just try to explain the possible reason of her failing and I still don't agree with the judges. There were 4 pieces, even Maria wasn't perfecting on Introduction and Rondo Capriccioso, I thought the judges should had let her pass to the 2nd round.
If you are also a fan of Maria like me, I hope my explanation make you feel better for the judges' decision. Anyway, Maria is absolute world No.1 violinist now, who cares she didn't win CMIM 2019?
凄い！！！
Maria Dueñas !!!!!♡
She will endure in time, while you (judges) will fall into oblivion.
😂 no entendieron su alcance!
Imagino ganaría este portento de virtusismo
00:56 - 06:02 B
06:43 - 15:43 S
16:55 - 19:33 P
20:20 - 33:00 W
WHY SHE DON'T WIN? ... SOMEONE DID IT BETTER? ... I WANT TO SEE IT !!!
6:38 Rondo Capriccioso
After watching this performance and reading these comments ridiculing how Maria did not pass the first round, it is evident that her technique and musicality are exceptional. But, I think she puts a lot of her own personality into these pieces, perhaps too much for the judges' liking. Frequently throughout the performance, Maria introduced a different style of approach, very different from the standard most players try to reach when playing the piece. Personally, I didn't like some of her interpretations, but that is a matter of opinion. To the judges, she might've strayed too far off from the original musical themes of the pieces, which is why she got eliminated. As a soloist, Maria's unique and energetic interpretations might serve her well in having her stand out from tradition, but competitions generally want to hear the piece performed in the traditional standard. And there is a reason why a standard exists: because the general consensus is that it sounds best when played that way. Competitions are not everything, and they exist for a reason. But you don't have to go that route. Hilary Hahn entered virtually no competitions, but she is successful. Ray Chen won back-to-back Menuhin and Queen Elizabeth, and he is also wildly successful. The point is, you must carve your own path, and competitions are not the only route.
I mean, is Not the Point of a competition to show your personality and Not play flat and discret trying Not to offend anyone?
When i Go to a concert of a Solist I Go because is the difference, Not Standar.
The audience will, inevitably, be the judge of her performances. I won't be missing any of María's performances.
Hmm. "General consensus". There's a lot of music that is unexpected when first composed and played. There is room for all music to grow in interpretation. There are many pieces where I have collected multiple versions over many years. Music is not tennis or football where we keep score, award points and make decisions about acceptability based on "who won".
They wanted to hear drones, not artists.
fue un insulto que esta chica no haya estado en las finales bastante decepcionado de esta competencia este año 😒
Fantastic player and musician. Why didn't she pass to the semifinal?? Too much personality? Better have more standard players I guess...
Competitions are for horses, not for music. It is a pity that our carriers are tied to these competitions... Today most of jurors are a bunch of musical ignorants or, when not, the stupid socoring systems they use make the most avarage players to have higher scores than those who stand out... Juries in the past knew how to spot real musical talent, now a days they only count mistakes and dogmatic ideas about style. Old masters like Oistrakh and
Perlaman would have never won today's stupid competitions. So much talent is being lost because of this ilogical quest for technical perfection... Those who prefer to follow the path of true music making get relegated behind.
I can only think about maphia reasons to not let her pass the first round, even having her own teacher in the jury. They must had seen in her a clear candidate to win the competition and just wanted to get rid of her. Her playing is exceptional, brilliant and expresive as it is hard to find in soloists nowadays, and the response of the audience proves it. Hopefully we will see her again in future competitions with more honest jury members.
Çılgın jenine janssen kıskançlığından ne yapıyordur Bilmem bu kızı dinlediğinde
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すばらしい才能。ただ、このバッハとこのサン・サーンスの並びは、了としないジュリーが居ても不思議ではないな、とも思った。
Maria is one of my very favorite violinists however Bach is not a matter passion, technique, or ability in general. It is a matter of knowledge. A matter of harmony, geometry, math. She may have to tone back her passion. Bach is the most difficult composer to play on any instrument.
Maybe you haven't listened her yet playing the Sonata in C Major BWV 1005. ruclips.net/video/xoVY-08Nne8/видео.html
Pagani kaprisi en zor yay tekniğiyle çalıyor inanılmaz
impossible. Maria must be receiving the notes via earpiece. There is no brain that retains those amounts of notes and at different speeds, there is none. and less playing 30 minutes or more. what a good trick. Another is that her brain has nothing to do with her two hands that are programmed to play those melodies. Another is that this is a copy of Maria Dueñas and it is an AI. What a good trick. She wipes her shoulder to make the public believe but she is a robot.
No robot can play the violin like that; Maria Duenas is a phenomenon like we have not seen since Mozart himself
Слава Иегове❤
彼女は一体いつからオリジナルを正確に演奏する事を諦めたのだろうか？演奏は全て彼女の独特のアレンジでしかない。弾きにくい音符は全てすっ飛ばされる。速弾きなのはそのせいだ。全ては彼女のオリジナルだ。実にユニークな演奏家だ。バイオリンの奏でる共鳴は全て潰され味気なくせせこましくヒステリックですらある。しかし彼女に拍手喝采が送られる限り彼女は演奏を止めないだろう。
No no no she didn't do good on paganini she was going to fast and no notation is clean plus the pianist is hard on notation
The pianist is bad, pushing too much.