Chinese manufacturing is amazing in past few years, for me the biggest problem right now here in Slovenia with brands like Kove, CFMoto, Vogue, is service and replacement parts. Great video
KTM probably fail 😅, Chinese bikes are the future japs etc are pricing there bikes to high to many luxuries, need to go back to making decent low tech bikes
Wtf e u guys talking about I rode 1300 km in single day 24 hours my ducati desert x is going fine... Can't talk about ktm but husky.. I don't own none .. But ktm 350 doing so good.. Had a bs3 Duke 390 first bike still have it.. Doingvawsome
I'm puzzled how about a 1,000 miles test can tell much about reliability, no matter how hard you press the bikes. 10,000 miles of "normal use" would tell us more about reliability, don't you think?
Agreed, Short trem "Stress Testing" a new item is one thing. Longer term wear and tear and being used/sitting out in all weathers would take a different kind of toll..
The beat test is lower income European countries that had little to no choice financially to choose this kind of bikes. The results so far prove that except some minor problems due to inexperience, they are proven as reliable as the competition
CFMOTO (KTM) Shineray (Husqvarna) Loncin (BMW) Zongshen (Piaggio and Norton Motorcycle Company) Qingqi (Suzuki, Hyosung, and Peugeot) Jianshe (Yamaha) Haojue (Suzuki) Qianjiang (owners of Benelli), Jialing (Honda) Znen (owners of Moto Morini) Shineray Group (owners of SWM Motors) Zhongneng (Moto Morini) Do you get the idea ?
The Chinese made Insta cameras are becoming class leading and proving reliable. I see no difference with motorcycles. They are getting better & better. They just need to prove they can do good dealer support & warranty
In Malaysia (and other countries I'm sure) where import duties on Japanese and European bikes drive the prices up, the 800nk seems like a pretty tempting buy. Here the 800nk is about 1500£ cheaper than a 790 duke, 2200£ cheaper than a hornet 750, and being in the same "neighborhood" as China parts are pretty easy to come by. The dealer network is also better than KTM but definitely not on par with Honda.. yet... 🤷♂🤷♂
@@stalbansbikerI’ve had a 2017 1250 GS never skimped on any maintenance but after 10000kms it had more problems than my multi v2 pain in the ass honestly
24 hours proves nothing at all. For me to trust Chinese bikes, I'd need to know if I ride to work and leave it out in the rain for 8 hours will it start or leave me stranded. If I go on a winter blast when conditions aren't to bad will it start when I need it to. In my riding life I need proven reliability that's why I stick with Japanese big 4 and currently run a honda nc700s and before that a Kawasaki j300 and before that a honda sh300ì and before that a honda cbr600rr just to name a few, they have never let me down at all, not once. Untill proven reliable I can not chance my hard earned money on one. If I do and find it no good the depreciation will hit me hard, sorry to those that own Chinese bikes but I need trust in a brand I choose to sink my money into.
My son bought a 300sr for a beginner bike, on its way to 15000kms aside from the tensioner getting loose at 13000kms and getting replaced for roughly 30$ no issues on the bike, he has no garage and parks it outside with the elements keep in mind I live in a tropical country mostly rain and sunny weather had absolutely no hiccups. Some would say my son had a good unit and that it varies but for a beginner bike to thrash around and crash a few times id say it is the best bang for buck I still am on the fence about the higher end ones tho. I keep on recommending japanese once he got over the beginner phase
CF Moto in particular has been doing alot of heavy lifting when it comes to launching some really interesting motorcycles, 800NK, 450MT and their upcoming triple cylinder 675 SS & NK.
@stuleyland9490 We don't even have CF Moto motorcycles in our country yet, so making me their spokesperson won't make much of a business sense to be honest. I haven't ridden any of their bikes till now obviously - and my only source of information is the countless European reviews and ownership experience on RUclips. If you think they're not good then do let me know coz that's also part of knowledge for me towards these machines.
It's more a question of whether the other manufacturers will survive in the long term, as the quality of these bikes will improve, but the costs will remain the same. With no tariffs on cheap imports, the UK market is under threat. This is what China does: floods the market with cheap products to destroy the local competition. Expect that we will soon be nudged (or forced) to buy cheap electric bikes from China.
I am frankly exhausted with people making negative assumptions simply because these bikes come from China. This is very unprofessional of a publication like MCN that claims to be an industry leader. Why do you assume these bikes need to "prove" themselves? Why? Articulate your negative bias towards products from China? What was the impetus for this? Does an individual manufacturer in China have issues? that is one question, but you are just throwing a blanket over the whole country. Are you going to do the same thing with European bikes? How about all the Italian manufacturers for 24 hours non-stop? or is the risk of no more product launches in Spain too high a price to pay? 😉
24 hours is no test for a bike's reliability. It will take decades to achieve a good reputation and regular occurrences of really high mileages for the Chinese bikes to be regarded as the equal of the Japanese. I bought a 21-year-old 38k miles VFR800 without any hesitation because they are a solid, well-engineered bike, like the majority of the Japanese brands. The complexity of electronics with a myriad of connectors and cheap plastics will be the downfall of a lot of equipment in the future, no matter where it's made.
Compared to Korea and Japan when they first started producing mainstream consumer products, I’ve been massively impressed with the quality of Chinese electronics, line cameras, drones etc. But for me a motorcycle they make will prob be ok, but the soul thing ain’t there
WOW 24 full hours . Could not think of anything else ? like a long term test over 12 months. The future are the Chinese bikes because they have done what the greedy big names will not do. They offer value for money and extras are all in with the price not add on`s that cost. Impartiality reviews that are just that with no skin in the game.
You are wrong. Chinese farmers use them for travelling across vast fields everyday rain or shine. It’s just that Chinese weren’t good at marketing their bikes.
@christophertan7466 there was some Really Cheap Crap Chinese Bikes That are No Longer in Business the Good ones are Still around Would you have Brought a Chinese Bike With Rip off Names Like Hongdu or Yamazaki? They were awful the Frames Cracked and Rusted Double Quick You could not get Spares
Quality is more than the question if they can survive 24 hrs of abuse. it is much more complex - will they last 300.000 km without major issues - like the yamaha tenere 700 of long haul Paul. Or do they work as well as a Honda after 100.000 km and 30 years. It is hard to guess - but really - I don't think so. But maybe they don't need to. It comes down to the quality of every single component - the cabling, the plastics etc. Spareparts availability is a whole other question, that is really impossible to forecast. It is a lot about trust - and the japanese manufacturers have just shown that they are master of longevity. Which is also reflected in the second hand prices. So You get what You pay for a good part of the way. In the end that means more possibilities for motorcycle riders - which is a good thing I think. More people can afford their dream motorcycle - and the reliability - or the demise of bad motorcycle brands will have to follow. BTW nobody seems to be bothered about the fact that every I-phone and Mac computer is made in China. So why whorry about the MCs. Will You support the chinese regime - that's another question - but we all do that already anyway. And lets face it - it IS hard to overlook the world champions in production. And companies like Kove and CF moto - you've gotta hand it to them - they are very skilled and smart as well. Visionary actually. And often more so than the older brands. Arguing against the relevance of chinese motorcycle manufacturers is a bit like arguing that computers and the internet is a temporary fashion thing, that will go away again.
Nothing is wrong with these bikes just like KTM The parts are designed to work in their limit not like let’s say Hondas that you can even abuse and they still work for long time.
Hmmm I noticed the Union Jack on the pavement at about 1:40? Please tell me that was something else. As one of the world's most beautiful flags , I certainly hope that wasn't the case. Best!
The Chinese Communist Party on behalf of the People's Republic of China's authoritarian one-party state and a dictatorship thank you for your continued support. 🇨🇳
And UK is lead by a upper class, non elected elite with funny titles, basically chosen by themselves or the Monarch....and 26 bishops (!!)...Any better ?
Don't just concentrate on heavy powerful bikes when there are superb machines with less power and weight in the 300 -500 class. Who needs all that power on a muddy trail or on British restricted roads. Get real Lads.
The biggest problem for me is that everybody that buys these Chinese products is in effect helping fund China's impending War on Taiwan. But hey your money, your choice!
I'm flabbergasted that ppl keep whining about the lacking of services. In this digital era if you can't find parts and service manual online and you cant diy then you shouldn't own a bike.
Nope. That's KTMs poor specification of the parts, insufficient development testing and/or trying to cut a few corners to improve shareholder profits. In case you missed it earlier this week, KTM have gone rather Bankrupt...
The numbers of these camshaft failures are less than 0,5% But with the keyboard warriors on the internet, the issue was made bigger. The problem was offset oil journals. They didn't meet up properly between the head and the camshaft bridge. I was worried about my 2020 790 Duke. With 26 000km on the clock it could be interesting to see whether my bike was one of few or not. It wasn't. I opened it for a valve check and turned the engine, just to watch squirting oil on the cams. Looked like new. Don't worry, they are not that bad. It's a keeper!
The question everyone should be asking is, among others, do we want to support a venture capital, financial and EU bureaucratic system that wants to de-industrialise Europe and move manufacturing to China? I don't. NOT ONE BIT.
deindustrialise is going to happen even to China one day, it is because of the cost of living. if everyone still maintain the 80-90s salary and everything is priced within reach of everyone, then no country will deindustrialized
@@watb8689 Intent is what needs to be observed. The assumption that deindustrialisation is inevitable ignores desire to innovate to create and build new technology which is what Europe and the West must continue to cultivate.
Wouldn't buy a CF solely for the name. Don't care that it's Chinese, but the name is just bad. Names like Suzuki, Honda, Kawasaki, Triumph, Norton, they all sound cool. CF Moto just sounds cheap and rubbish.
Not interested. Would never buy a Chinese motorcycle, especially with depreciation and many dealers won't take them as part ex or give very little for them.
@@captricharddee3634 for now but as the video said they are getting a whole lot better and at a rapid rate too and as older riders stop riding/die younger people are gonna gravitate to these cheaper bikes because most young people arent dropping money on bikes that costs 10k or more
@@murraytrimmer228 had my kove 450 rally over a year and a half on my second winter hammered and ride mostly off road , suddenly on motorway touring salty roads, no issues and not a single spit of rust , bolts are either titanium or stainless, absolutely spot it's been, unlike my KTM , things have changed, I would say they are better than most bike manufacturers, take a look at one and ride one , I've not had a single issue
I’ll still never buy a Chinese bike. The cars they make are awful and spot welded so they fall apart. I expect the same with bikes. I don’t quite fancy dying just yet.
@@ogofog9120 100%!! I was sold on 'Jap Crap' when I was a youth.. the new generation of CFMotos are streets ahead.. I had loads of issues with my last GS, people seem to ignore the issues with mainstream manufacturers' machines (mind you, most don't; even have a bike licence, just keyboard warriors sat in their pants..)
Nope. CF Moto owns approximately 2% of KTM's parent company. PIERER mobility. And yes, PIERER Mobility is in financial difficulty; however, their struggles have been going on for years and have nothing to do with CF Moto's recent investment.
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Chinese manufacturing is amazing in past few years, for me the biggest problem right now here in Slovenia with brands like Kove, CFMoto, Vogue, is service and replacement parts.
Great video
Now do 24 hours non-stop on a KTM, Huskvarna or a Ducati.
They will not survive
KTM probably fail 😅, Chinese bikes are the future japs etc are pricing there bikes to high to many luxuries, need to go back to making decent low tech bikes
Err ktm engine 😂
Or aprilia. You re in my mind😂
Wtf e u guys talking about I rode 1300 km in single day 24 hours my ducati desert x is going fine... Can't talk about ktm but husky.. I don't own none .. But ktm 350 doing so good.. Had a bs3 Duke 390 first bike still have it.. Doingvawsome
I'm puzzled how about a 1,000 miles test can tell much about reliability, no matter how hard you press the bikes. 10,000 miles of "normal use" would tell us more about reliability, don't you think?
Agreed, Short trem "Stress Testing" a new item is one thing. Longer term wear and tear and being used/sitting out in all weathers would take a different kind of toll..
:-/ they didn't even make it to the first oil change.
@@TristanMorrow I'm surprised this is MCN, which is (until now) have a lot of respect for. This is not serious.
This is just them having fun and abusing the bike for 24 hours to see if it can handle it.
I hope they also did a long-term review of these bikes.
The beat test is lower income European countries that had little to no choice financially to choose this kind of bikes. The results so far prove that except some minor problems due to inexperience, they are proven as reliable as the competition
CFMOTO (KTM)
Shineray (Husqvarna)
Loncin (BMW)
Zongshen (Piaggio and Norton Motorcycle Company)
Qingqi (Suzuki, Hyosung, and Peugeot)
Jianshe (Yamaha)
Haojue (Suzuki)
Qianjiang (owners of Benelli), Jialing (Honda)
Znen (owners of Moto Morini)
Shineray Group (owners of SWM Motors)
Zhongneng (Moto Morini)
Do you get the idea ?
The Chinese made Insta cameras are becoming class leading and proving reliable. I see no difference with motorcycles. They are getting better & better. They just need to prove they can do good dealer support & warranty
I have a chinese quadlock
sure thing buddy. sure thing.,
@@TheRealBhuado but I do cause its only £20 does the same job compared to the rip off £60 for a piece of blue plastic
@@steve00alt70 im talking about the bike, not the quadlock.
@@TheRealBhuado me too
In Malaysia (and other countries I'm sure) where import duties on Japanese and European bikes drive the prices up, the 800nk seems like a pretty tempting buy. Here the 800nk is about 1500£ cheaper than a 790 duke, 2200£ cheaper than a hornet 750, and being in the same "neighborhood" as China parts are pretty easy to come by. The dealer network is also better than KTM but definitely not on par with Honda.. yet... 🤷♂🤷♂
The irony of those doubters watching this on their chinese made ipads, iphones or android devices.
The Chinese can make quality, and they are doing
Not me mine was made in Japan
Don't buy Chinese buy a Triumph or BMW
@@stalbansbiker what you riding
@@stalbansbikerI’ve had a 2017 1250 GS never skimped on any maintenance but after 10000kms it had more problems than my multi v2 pain in the ass honestly
24 hours proves nothing at all. For me to trust Chinese bikes, I'd need to know if I ride to work and leave it out in the rain for 8 hours will it start or leave me stranded. If I go on a winter blast when conditions aren't to bad will it start when I need it to. In my riding life I need proven reliability that's why I stick with Japanese big 4 and currently run a honda nc700s and before that a Kawasaki j300 and before that a honda sh300ì and before that a honda cbr600rr just to name a few, they have never let me down at all, not once. Untill proven reliable I can not chance my hard earned money on one. If I do and find it no good the depreciation will hit me hard, sorry to those that own Chinese bikes but I need trust in a brand I choose to sink my money into.
My son bought a 300sr for a beginner bike, on its way to 15000kms aside from the tensioner getting loose at 13000kms and getting replaced for roughly 30$ no issues on the bike, he has no garage and parks it outside with the elements keep in mind I live in a tropical country mostly rain and sunny weather had absolutely no hiccups. Some would say my son had a good unit and that it varies but for a beginner bike to thrash around and crash a few times id say it is the best bang for buck I still am on the fence about the higher end ones tho. I keep on recommending japanese once he got over the beginner phase
CF Moto in particular has been doing alot of heavy lifting when it comes to launching some really interesting motorcycles, 800NK, 450MT and their upcoming triple cylinder 675 SS & NK.
... A spokesman for CF Moto said.
@stuleyland9490 We don't even have CF Moto motorcycles in our country yet, so making me their spokesperson won't make much of a business sense to be honest.
I haven't ridden any of their bikes till now obviously - and my only source of information is the countless European reviews and ownership experience on RUclips. If you think they're not good then do let me know coz that's also part of knowledge for me towards these machines.
These are supposed to be durable goods. Can they survive 2 years? What does a 24 hrs test prove? Is this a paid video?
I take pride in ownership of my bikes. No Chinese ones in my garage.😂
It's more a question of whether the other manufacturers will survive in the long term, as the quality of these bikes will improve, but the costs will remain the same. With no tariffs on cheap imports, the UK market is under threat. This is what China does: floods the market with cheap products to destroy the local competition. Expect that we will soon be nudged (or forced) to buy cheap electric bikes from China.
At least we know we can trust them for a full day 👍🏻
Can you do an oil sample test?
I am frankly exhausted with people making negative assumptions simply because these bikes come from China. This is very unprofessional of a publication like MCN that claims to be an industry leader. Why do you assume these bikes need to "prove" themselves? Why? Articulate your negative bias towards products from China? What was the impetus for this? Does an individual manufacturer in China have issues? that is one question, but you are just throwing a blanket over the whole country. Are you going to do the same thing with European bikes? How about all the Italian manufacturers for 24 hours non-stop? or is the risk of no more product launches in Spain too high a price to pay? 😉
Chinese bike breaks down, is there a dealer network?
How about parts?
Much prefer Japanese bikes
Anything can breakdown, just saying
@@martyndunn1905You missed the points I made
It breaks down. Where do you take it and whats the parts availability?
buy a ktm part put straight up there LOL
@@rwalton159have you done any research before typing??
@@rwalton159 Ah....worried about sparepart..... yea seems you are a KTM, Triumph or BMW-driver
The Zontes 703F already has an Ironbutt asociation mention. 💪
Great to see a bit of competition. The big names are resting on their laurels and inflating the prices.
not the whole story is it?
The Kove looks really good. Isn’t the CF moto engine the dreaded KTM 790
Its the newer generation, so is all good
They may have survived but it shows little about how reliable they will be in every day use !.
Zero turst in the service background and long term value.
yeah..they can build a space station but cant service bikes
Well sounds like a you problem
24 hours is no test for a bike's reliability. It will take decades to achieve a good reputation and regular occurrences of really high mileages for the Chinese bikes to be regarded as the equal of the Japanese. I bought a 21-year-old 38k miles VFR800 without any hesitation because they are a solid, well-engineered bike, like the majority of the Japanese brands. The complexity of electronics with a myriad of connectors and cheap plastics will be the downfall of a lot of equipment in the future, no matter where it's made.
Now get a used Gen 1 KTM and do this with that too remind you how good they actually were
Would you choose a Yamaha or a CFMoto?
It was between the MT09 for £11k or the 800NK for £6k.. I went NK and am very happy so far.. 4 years warranty too, so..
it's not the bikes but spar parts
Compared to Korea and Japan when they first started producing mainstream consumer products, I’ve been massively impressed with the quality of Chinese electronics, line cameras, drones etc. But for me a motorcycle they make will prob be ok, but the soul thing ain’t there
Try it again when they have more age and mileage
The real question is who gonna buy a 3 y.o used Chinese bike…? And for how much? 🙄
WOW 24 full hours . Could not think of anything else ? like a long term test over 12 months.
The future are the Chinese bikes because they have done what the greedy big names will not
do. They offer value for money and extras are all in with the price not add on`s that cost.
Impartiality reviews that are just that with no skin in the game.
Impressive I don't Think some of the
Early Chinese MotorBikes would have Survived 24 Hours of Thrashing
You are wrong. Chinese farmers use them for travelling across vast fields everyday rain or shine. It’s just that Chinese weren’t good at marketing their bikes.
@christophertan7466 there was some Really Cheap Crap Chinese Bikes That are No Longer in Business the Good ones are Still around Would you have Brought a Chinese Bike With Rip off Names
Like Hongdu or Yamazaki?
They were awful the Frames Cracked
and Rusted Double Quick
You could not get Spares
Quality is more than the question if they can survive 24 hrs of abuse. it is much more complex - will they last 300.000 km without major issues - like the yamaha tenere 700 of long haul Paul. Or do they work as well as a Honda after 100.000 km and 30 years. It is hard to guess - but really - I don't think so. But maybe they don't need to. It comes down to the quality of every single component - the cabling, the plastics etc. Spareparts availability is a whole other question, that is really impossible to forecast. It is a lot about trust - and the japanese manufacturers have just shown that they are master of longevity. Which is also reflected in the second hand prices. So You get what You pay for a good part of the way. In the end that means more possibilities for motorcycle riders - which is a good thing I think. More people can afford their dream motorcycle - and the reliability - or the demise of bad motorcycle brands will have to follow. BTW nobody seems to be bothered about the fact that every I-phone and Mac computer is made in China. So why whorry about the MCs. Will You support the chinese regime - that's another question - but we all do that already anyway. And lets face it - it IS hard to overlook the world champions in production. And companies like Kove and CF moto - you've gotta hand it to them - they are very skilled and smart as well. Visionary actually. And often more so than the older brands. Arguing against the relevance of chinese motorcycle manufacturers is a bit like arguing that computers and the internet is a temporary fashion thing, that will go away again.
Nothing is wrong with these bikes just like KTM The parts are designed to work in their limit not like let’s say Hondas that you can even abuse and they still work for long time.
Hmmm I noticed the Union Jack on the pavement at about 1:40? Please tell me that was something else. As one of the world's most beautiful flags , I certainly hope that wasn't the case. Best!
The Chinese Communist Party on behalf of the People's Republic of China's authoritarian one-party state and a dictatorship thank you for your continued support. 🇨🇳
And UK is lead by a upper class, non elected elite with funny titles, basically chosen by themselves or the Monarch....and 26 bishops (!!)...Any better ?
Hence forth, it shall be known as the CF Moto BOONK.
Don't just concentrate on heavy powerful bikes when there are superb machines with less power and weight in the 300 -500 class. Who needs all that power on a muddy trail or on British restricted roads. Get real Lads.
The biggest problem for me is that everybody that buys these Chinese products is in effect helping fund China's impending War on Taiwan. But hey your money, your choice!
So the Kove isn't 100 percent finished yet and CF moto is way better.
I'm flabbergasted that ppl keep whining about the lacking of services. In this digital era if you can't find parts and service manual online and you cant diy then you shouldn't own a bike.
Make the same test on bmw 😂😂
Bajaj Auto should buying the controlling stakeholders in cfmoto
i mean they already do in KTM
and CFmoto uses KTM tech
@@Chimera_0990tfr hence why KTM are going skint !
Is that why the cam shafts wear down so fast on the duke 790? Chinese parts?
Nope. That's KTMs poor specification of the parts, insufficient development testing and/or trying to cut a few corners to improve shareholder profits. In case you missed it earlier this week, KTM have gone rather Bankrupt...
According to KTM it’s the finger followers … not sure that makes it better
The numbers of these camshaft failures are less than 0,5% But with the keyboard warriors on the internet, the issue was made bigger. The problem was offset oil journals. They didn't meet up properly between the head and the camshaft bridge.
I was worried about my 2020 790 Duke. With 26 000km on the clock it could be interesting to see whether my bike was one of few or not. It wasn't. I opened it for a valve check and turned the engine, just to watch squirting oil on the cams. Looked like new.
Don't worry, they are not that bad. It's a keeper!
British journalists praising Chinese bikes, filmed over praised Chinese cameras. The world we live in.
The question everyone should be asking is, among others, do we want to support a venture capital, financial and EU bureaucratic system that wants to de-industrialise Europe and move manufacturing to China? I don't. NOT ONE BIT.
deindustrialise is going to happen even to China one day, it is because of the cost of living. if everyone still maintain the 80-90s salary and everything is priced within reach of everyone, then no country will deindustrialized
@@watb8689 Intent is what needs to be observed. The assumption that deindustrialisation is inevitable ignores desire to innovate to create and build new technology which is what Europe and the West must continue to cultivate.
This is a great idea. Accelerated durability testing.
TRASH BIKES THAT WILL RUST AND BREAK BEFORE THE WARRANTY ENDS.
The cf moto nk isn't pretty. I'd willingly pay more for the Japanese competition mentioned.
Wouldn't buy a CF solely for the name. Don't care that it's Chinese, but the name is just bad. Names like Suzuki, Honda, Kawasaki, Triumph, Norton, they all sound cool. CF Moto just sounds cheap and rubbish.
👍KOVE 800X PRO best off-road with its weight, CF MOTO 800NK off-road👎
China is comming, like it or not.
Not interested. Would never buy a Chinese motorcycle, especially with depreciation and many dealers won't take them as part ex or give very little for them.
@@captricharddee3634 for now but as the video said they are getting a whole lot better and at a rapid rate too and as older riders stop riding/die younger people are gonna gravitate to these cheaper bikes because most young people arent dropping money on bikes that costs 10k or more
Maybe for you they are 😂
Not to my garage the're not.
They won't last. Do a long-term test. Your salty roads will eat those bikes. That's the only test that will prove the reliability.
Salt will eat any bike, not just Chinese. Why do you think owners cover there bikes in ac50, because eventually it will eat through all bikes
Fair enough. So it will rust like other bikes ...AND.. fall apart.
@@murraytrimmer228 had my kove 450 rally over a year and a half on my second winter hammered and ride mostly off road , suddenly on motorway touring salty roads, no issues and not a single spit of rust , bolts are either titanium or stainless, absolutely spot it's been, unlike my KTM , things have changed, I would say they are better than most bike manufacturers, take a look at one and ride one , I've not had a single issue
I’ll still never buy a Chinese bike.
The cars they make are awful and spot welded so they fall apart. I expect the same with bikes.
I don’t quite fancy dying just yet.
Everyone said that about Japanese bikes in the 70s & all cars are spot welded
@ not in safety critical areas like suspension that falls off the car as it’s not meant to be just spot welded.
I’ll stick with what’s proven thanks.
@@ogofog9120 100%!! I was sold on 'Jap Crap' when I was a youth.. the new generation of CFMotos are streets ahead.. I had loads of issues with my last GS, people seem to ignore the issues with mainstream manufacturers' machines (mind you, most don't; even have a bike licence, just keyboard warriors sat in their pants..)
CF Moto is owned by KTM who is bankrupt
Nope. CF Moto owns approximately 2% of KTM's parent company. PIERER mobility. And yes, PIERER Mobility is in financial difficulty; however, their struggles have been going on for years and have nothing to do with CF Moto's recent investment.