Thanks for the informative video. I am surprised to learn that no FRIA’s have beed approved. FYI, the AMA sanctioned club field I fly at has been denied FRIA status by the FAA. We have flown at this site for over 20 years with no negative impact. The FAA sited areas the public MIGHT gather, public streets and public buildings as the reason for denial. As a club, we are in shock.
We were denied because of the public too. They also said that I’m not an official representative for the club. I’m the vice president and safety officer. 🤷🏻♂️
I strongly suspect that the entire issue of a FRIA was part of the FAA bait and switch. It was used to sucker punch the AMA into going along with the FAA power grab and by the time the AMA would realize they had been suckered it would be too late.
Thank you for your time in explaining all of this information and adding clarity to myself and many others. It’s my hope that my club is notified of our FRIA status before September 16 so we can all be in compliance. 👍
Safety conscious and law abiding drone pilots are not and will not be the ones causing the vast majority of the concerns. Those who already operate their drones illegally in restricted airspace without FAA authorization will continue to fly without remote ID.
KH: Well, sort of. Assuming the life of an average quadcopter is 2-3 years. By the time a new quad is purchased it will have remote ID installed, whether the pilot knows this or not. So eventually, as the drone fleet today ages out, it will become 100% remote ID compliant. I honestly do not think the fixed wing RC community is an issue, as we are not flying out and about taking pictures. I also think, some day some, all RC receivers will be remote ID compliant. It is not a difficult feature to implement. We'll see! Tim
@@TimMcKay56 - Good point. I assume this will be the case for ready to fly models. It seems that simply selling not ready to fly drones will allow manufacturers to avoid compliance. Maybe the convenience of RTF is much more in demand by recreational multicopter operators. I will be happy when RID is no longer an issue.
Any word Tim, about the requested increase in weight up to a pound I think it was? I can't remember but the FliteTest folks spoke of the increase in weight such that most of our park fliers would be treated as toys and fall out of all the remote id and FRIA requirements.
The statistics on unauthorized controlled air space intrusions knocked me over. Surprising/lucky there haven’t been more collisions than we’ve seen to date. I think the FAA needs to conduct a more aggressive education program for manufacturers. Drone makers need to do better at advising buyers about airspace, and where to find the rules. Newcomers don’t always know. When I bought my first drone three years ago, I had no clue about air space regulations, for drones anyway. As a former fixed wing pilot, I instinctively knew not to fly near airports. Remote ID Module: A reasonable price for what they do would be around $30-$40. I think they should be sold and registered in sets of two. I expect the price to drop rapidly as the scale of numbers and competition kicks in. Great report as always Tim. Thank you for taking the time.
BWM: Thanks so much for checking in! Probably a good idea for the drone manufacturers to alert buyers about FAA regs. Better yet, point them to the link for the FAA TRUST test, kill two birds with one stone. Agree with the remote ID modules, I think this will all get sorted out. Tim
Most of the statistics are made up - a lot of the alleged "drone" sightings are balloons, plastic bags, or things that cannot possibly be drones. (Some of the NASA reports I've seen literally describe UFOs/UAPs - pretty sure no one is flying a 30-foot diameter circular "drone" at 35,000 ft! and 400+ knots!)
@@TimMcKay56Not only this, but the remote ID should applied to manufacturers, not to homebuilds. Same way that catalytic converters work. Most don’t build their own, and those that do are much more likely to be aware of rules and respect them. And the ones that are purposefully doing illegal stuff are going to just not get a module and break the law either way. For builders, it pretty much just harms those that follow the law already. The problem is idiots with no training or interest in learning the law buying something off the shelf and being in the air within the hour
Starting point appears to be around US$100 each - and few will have connectors designed for multiple connecting so if you expect to hot swap will break the leads after a dozen or so moves... The manufacturers will not supply anything unless it's at a profit, and the only volume manufacturers currently capable of mass production at scale will be Chinese, so good luck with that in the short term too.
In my opinion, one of the best options that doesn't require Remote ID is flying a sub-250 gram craft under the Recreational Exemption (solely and purely for FUN). I realize that a lot of folks like to fly a "heavy" craft, however, smaller craft are also fun to build and fly.
@@my_dear_friend_ Well, I do only fly quadcopters and not planes nor wings. I have sub-250 grams quads that do quite well in the wind, no problem. I do realize that things with wings might have a harder time with wind. Also, I only fly FPV. From a pilot's perspective, you can't tell what type of craft you are flying as you don't see the craft.
@@my_dear_friend_ Many small RC planes are now gyro stabilized and fly well in the wind. I have a 60 gram plane, with a 16" wingspan, that I've flown in winds up to 22 MPH, and it's my first RC airplane. No problem dude.
@@davescott9409 - Good to know. I am in the hobby though to build what i fly and not just to buy what i fly. And i want to experiment. And i want my students (who are total beginners) to be able to do that too. Tiny RC planes are almost impossible for them to build AND fly. Hard for me still.
Our club had our initial FRIA application denied for the same reason given earlier by Winger 1955. Upon investigation we discovered that our submission had accidentally given the GPS coordinates of our flying field gate as our club location. We have now resubmitted using the corner coordinates for our AMA approved “flight box”. Fingers crossed that solves the issue.
As a full scale pilot you have different perspective of the rules and regulations of FAA than the non AMA hobbiest. Of course, don't fly in airspace for general aviation. But outside of those areas, a park, a cornfield, our own property, we see the FAA setting a arbitrary dealine for enforcement, and not providing proper lead-time or even basic instructions for compliance? And then they use their own bureaucratic excuses for why they don't do their job? They've said they don't have time to approve all the fria s is so they have to limit it! Yet they don't move the deadline! It's a power grab, and the club infrastructure is compliant with that power grab, for their own perceived short sided benefit. Please don't be surprised when this bites the clubs and their infrastructure in the butt! And yet every Christmas moron will ignore the rules, but yet watch the FAA come down hard on the safe and conservative electric foamy hobbyist instead!
Tim thank you for a well presented and well stated video regarding our aviation hobby.....yes the government thinks our line of sight model P-51 Mustang and F-4U Corsair are drones that pose a threat to someone.....The FAA may have hoodwinked the AMA and the entire nation of Model Aircraft enthusiast into placating an exception for the compliance of RID.....an exception that may not happen......sure looks that way.
@@TimMcKay56 The unforeseen requirements to meet FRIA designation may put an end to many club sites....the "Environmental Impact Studies" could close any AMA Sanctioned club field....even if they have been in operation for over 60 years without incident....if 09-16-23 FRIA designations are not provided then RID will probably be the only means of flying legally.....I have serious doubts the FAA will slip the date.....your video's keeping us up to date is most valuable please keep up the good work sir
It will be interesting to see if, and how many, FRIAS are actually approved and operational by September 16, 2023. Whether this happens or not, I sincerely doubt that the date will be pushed back for Remote ID. Guys, we have had about 2 years of watching this and hopefully preparing and considering our options.
One of my concerns, especially with this pretty lengthy radio silence from the AMA/FAA with regards to FRIA applications, is if there are any concerns with the submission. For instance I submit the FRIA application to the AMA for our club back in December. Had maybe 5-6 emails back and forth with an AMA representative about the submission, was told everything looks good, and haven't heard anything since. My hope with no further clarifications, that we should get approved quickly once that NEPA thing clears but will honestly be incredibly annoyed if they just come back with clarification requests 7 months later.
The manufacturer Declaration of Compliance is "self-certifying". It is not approved/denied by the FAA. It will only come under review if one is involved in an incident, found not to be compliant after the manufacturer said it was.
Thank you Tim for creating informative and well reasoned content based on fact not speculation. It’s July 2nd so the environmental consultation period should be completing for the first batch of FRIA’s. I wonder what we will see in the next 7 days. Perhaps you can provide an update soon? One other thing I’m curious about. You said that all drones (UAS) sold after Sep 16th 2023 must be certified to comply with RID. Does this include all the fixed wing models available today that don’t have RID. Will those manufacturers be in breach of the regulation if they continue to sell those models without RID. That will be a big hit for those sellers if it is true.
Craig: Thanks for checking in! I am very curious to see when the first FRIAs will be approved. I would expect middle of July, will let folks know soonest. For the selling of drones and remote ID, that is just for stand-alone drones that come ready to fly out of the box. For fixed wing, no RID requirement to sell yet. Any manufacturer selling drones without RID after Sept 16 can get into a lot of trouble with the Commerce Dept, etc. Tim
@@TimMcKay56 Thanks Tim. This is where I get confused. Our fixed wing model RC planes are classified as UAS by the FAA and we are required to comply with RID after 16th Sep or fly in a FRIA. And yet as far as the RC fixed wing manufacturers are concerned it doesn’t apply to them? There are VTOL “drones” that have wings also. Are they fixed wing or something else? This is where there seems to be a grey area. I thought the FAA was treating all UAS the same so the fixed wing RC manufacturers must surely come under the same rule? There needs to be consistency in how the regulations are applied? Wouldn’t you agree?
If I were an RC fixed wing manufacturer I’d be concerned. I don’t know if there’s explicit wording that excludes them from the manufacturer requirements but I suspect not or else it would be more clear. Has anyone seen wording to that effect? If not, looks like they could be heading for hefty fines if they get caught out here. Yikes!
Did some more research tonight and found this comment on one of the FlightTest forums… [ It's likely that anything that is a complete "system" meaning Tx and Rx are included will require Standard Remote ID that broadcasts the position of the craft AND the pilot. That's why DJI requires you to use your phone with their system because the Tx doesn't natively have GPS, so they pull the coordinates off the phone plugged into the TX. For BNF, ARF, etc. it's not clear (but implied?) that these must come with Broadcast Remote ID that advertises the location of the craft only. ] So it seems to me that the fixed wing RC manufacturers ARE caught up in these rules but are perhaps “flying under the radar” currently - excuse the pun. They may need to be careful moving forwards. Unfortunately, it’s seems that the FAA, when quizzed, were unable to clarify the situation and simply pointed back to rules. This seems to show a lack of understanding that the FAA has around the fixed wing RC hobby. I suspect this hobby is not really their target and never was. Fixed wing RC models should not be bucketed as recreational drones. Sorry drone guys, I support you in your hobby too, and this lack of clarity just sucks all round IMO.
What?!? The number of crimes solved with the start of a license plate ID is astounding. First thing cops run a check after a stop. Outstanding warrants, suspended license, etc. Tim
Thanks for the timely updates, Tim. After you displayed that FAA 'Operating Airspace Incursion/Violation'-report, citing all those readily identifiable UAS sightings by pilots clearly as 'quad drones/multi-rotors'... I cannot reconcile nor forgive HOW BIG a mistake it was to lump our legacy, fixed-wing + heli model planes 'in' with multi-directional, non-wing lift dependent drone UAS. Legacy RC plane hobbyists & models were NOT and still ARE NOT "..the problem..". One size sure as H*ll doesn't 'fit' all; they've damned a sport & seminal STEM hobby with this corporate commerce-driven airspace grab...when they 'could' have elevated multi-copter flying into it's own, niche or 'elite & professional' class pursuit.
Anton: Very good points. Perhaps, as the remote ID discussion matures, we can get to that point. FRIAs are a step in the right direction, as few drone pilots fly from clubs, from my experience. Tim
@@TimMcKay56 "... then they came for my plane, but there was no one left to defend me...". Tim, yours and Anton's position is quite bigoted toward the responsible multi-rotor pilot. don't delude yourselves with the thought that you will not also be targeted. really. is it pure coincidence that no ama field has been approved for FRIA? the government moves VERY fast when they want to.
Not just this, but home builders are distinct from those that buy off the shelf and are flying that day, with no need to learn the laws they’re supposed to follow. Home building isn’t something you can just do on impulse, and the people who do it are likely to follow the law, or if they don’t, they’re not going to get a module anyway. So for home builders, it just harms the ones that already know and follow the law. This should be a manufacturer requirement only.
Your AMA etc. were unable to promote or refute anything of note into the corporate and commercially dominated lobby groups. The assumption appeared to be that history and good will would hold some power in the legislative framework - it was a grave error to think like that when the big money is in the room...
Great video Tim. I agree with you that nobody is going to spend $200 to $300 on a remote ID module to put in one of their existing airplanes. That is an order of magnitude more than most people will spend. I think that there's an issue with the 100 plus manufacturers who are going to sell airplanes with built in remote ID modules. Are the Chinese companies that manufacturer RC aircraft going to comply? If they don't, I can tell you that a more people will be buying from them in order to circumvent the requirement.
I think we should all take a breath and remember that the FAA motto is, "At the FAA we're not happy until you're not happy"! Once we put that into proper perspective I think we all can imagine where this is headed. Sorry AMA............😢
You mentioned the number of quote-unquote drone sightings, how many bird sightings were there from manned aircraft? And how many manned aircraft and manned aircraft collisions were there?
There are lots of bird sightings, just ask Capt Sully. FAA working to prevent a drone/airliner collision. Not pick up the pieces after a collision. I’ve seen a rather large drone flying in controlled airspace while piloting the B-777F. It is VERY worrisome, I can assure you. Tim
Let’s be real, the chances of collision with a bird are significantly higher than a drone. If not flown near airports the chances are near zero that’s also why we haven’t see many of these things happening (exactly 2 i know of which were police drones lol) 3 dimensional space is big and drones are tiny. I’m not saying people should fly them there but the argument that this is somehow crazy dangerous escapes me completely. These drones people talk about are like 500g foamies lol that would do exactly nothing to any manned aircraft put there really, just for a perspective it took 20+ full size 9lbs geese to take down a jet engine on the plane in nyc, go figure
@TimMcKay56 I am glad that you were able to survive your "drone" sighting, and are alive to tell the tale. I would love to investigate this further and @xjet might be interested in an actual unfabricated account that has not passed through the bloat and misinformation of the international media machine. I have so many questions that will help me conduct this investigation. I would appreciate your help in this matter. I assume that most of this information was already filed with your report with the FAA. (In no particular order) What was the date, time, and location of the sighting? What altitude were you flying at at the time? What was your distance from the nearest airport? What class airspace were you in at the time? Were you on approach or departure? Were you ascending or descending or level? What was the height of the drone? 400', 500', 100', 500'? What was the height of the canopy at your location? What was the height of the drone over the canopy? What kind of drone was it? Quadcopter? Helicopter? Hexcopter? Octocopter? Tricopter? Fixed wing? Flying wing? DHL glider? Powered glider? Turbine jet? Scale RC? Foamy? Military replica? Single wing trainer? Biplane? A shaped wing or rectangle? Was there an exhaust trail indicating that it was a gasser, or was it electric? What was your distance from the drone? What was the drones heading? What was the total time the drone was in view? What color was it? Was there any writing visible? Faa registration number? "Happy Birthday"? 😊? Is there any chance it could have been an escaped helium balloon 🎈 or an escaped kite? Or an ultralight aircraft that was actually father than it appeared? Thank you for answering these questions. Your help in this matter will go very far with helping to educate any ignorant RC pilots that are willing to lo learn. Of course, there is nothing anyone can do about someone who was already fully informed and chooses to break the rules anyway. Just look at the average driving speed above the posted limit at any given time and place to see just how many people are fully willing to violate rules if they think that they do not apply to them.
I thought of a couple more questions. Did you have to take evasive action to avoid the drone? Did the drone take evasive action to avoid hitting you? (Or more likely getting hit by you, as it would be like a semi hitting a mosquito.) Did the drone take any action at all that would indicate that it was aware of your presence and was moving away to avoid getting obliterated? Thanks again.
AMA membership is $85 a year plus there could be fees to use the flying field. How is that free??? It could end up costing more to fly at a fria than it would to have remote ID module.
Tom: So here is the deal. I do not expect most RC modelers to know this, but this is what is going on. The AMA is our lobbying organization. There is a great deal of traffic and use of the National Airspace System. The FAA is under constant pressure from various groups (airlines, military, sport flyers, parachutes, balloons, etc.) to gain access and use of the NAS. Spotlight now on drones due to numerous, numerous airspace violations. The FAA is going to make rules. The key thing is to have a "seat at the table" when those rules are being made. For drones that includes the airlines, ALPA, AOPA, Experimental Aircraft Society, etc. And for us . . . it's the AMA. Without robust AMA involvement in these Washington meetings, RC flight could simply go away. Tim
@@TimMcKay56 under you rules and guidelines most of my UAS would be grounded for having too high a cell count battery. Before this all started I had heard that some flying fields had not been multi rotor friendly. What would my recourse be if I paid $85 and my local flying field decided they didn’t want multi rotors. I have not heard of a single fatality due to multi rotors. This is really about Amazon wanting to deliver by drone so they can cut their workforce even more. Once Amazon has a fleet of poorly maintained drones controlled by two few people, I am sure that count will go up. I agree that it’s important to have representation but am not convinced that the AMA will support the type of flying I do.
@@TechnicallyTom High cell count?? (confused). For what it's worth, AMA is the only game in town for Washington engagement and how RC aircraft are treated by the FAA. And this problem will not get any better as time goes on. We absolutely need advocacy. Amazon is a fairly small player in commercial drones. Best to keep your sights on UPS, FedEx and DHL. Tim
Tim, thanks for all the sensible information on remote id. I have a question that you may be able to answer. Remote id broadcasts my FAA registration number. The way it does that is that I have to put the information in to the remote id unit. Could a bad actor get the app and see my FAA registration number and input it to his remote id unit? If that it possible I would be blamed for whatever violation he commits while broadcasting my number and any other information required to be broadcast.
We all have to remember that the FAA is here to help...build their own empire. Seriously, as a commercial pilot of over 30 years, I'm sure the FAA sees an expense of $200 as extremely affordable, while many RC pilots see that as a new airplane or two. I only own one airplane, and it cost me $90. I'd like to buy more and bigger planes, but Remote ID could really end that possibility for me, if it adds a few hundred dollars to a plane purchase. The FAA is more used to dealing with real airplanes, and they think nothing of creating new regulations that require airplane owners to install expensive avionics, that often cost thousands of dollars. The RC community should really consider forming a Political Action Committee, to lobby Congress on our behalf.
Dave: Fully agree! If you do not like what Congress is doing, go bug Congress. I really think the price of remote ID will get lower, let's wait a bit and see how this works out. Tim
FRIAS will be by FAA mandate very few and far between. Those granted FRIA status I predict will not be re-authorized when they expire. Also there is a way to disable the public side of Remote ID. It prevents the apps available to the public from tracing you. The FAA and Law Enforcement trackers will still be able to monitor.
I do think there will be plenty of FRIAs, but we'll have to wait and see. FAA approvals to date have been incredibly late, not a great sign. And things will change with FRIAs, as the AMA is now seeking FAA permission to designate FRIAs on their own and back-brief the FAA. FRIAs are an "elegant solution" to RID as the entire goal is to know who is flying in the National Airspace System, and with FRIAs this is a cinch for the recreational flyers using the area. Tim
Does anyone know exactly how Remote ID works? Specifically, is the signal sent to those parties that are inquiring from the drone itself, or is it sent from the remote? Or is this a combination of both? Like, if the module is broadcasting the drone's whereabouts to authorities, is it the drone that is giving this information, or is it the remote? From what I understand, authorities will be able to tell not just where the drone is, but also where the operator is as well. Or does it only show where the drone is at all times, and then the authorities can find out where the operator is by where the drone eventually lands?
Still a lot to learn and understand about the technical aspects. But a signal is broadcast by the drone with information about the flight, to include takeoff location. Tim
From what I understand, both position of the operator and the drone are broadcast. This information is permanently stored, and infrastructure is set up so that anyone from around the world can monitor your flight AND your flight HISTORY. Meanwhile, anyone can now shoot your drone out of the sky (or you the operator) for "spying" on them; or due to misguided views on "trespassing". The "good" thing about this is, that neither the FAA (nor FBI) will do do anything to go after or discourage anyone that shoots your drone down (that they may not have noticed otherwise)... because even though it's considered an aircraft, ("protected under federal laws"), it's not really an aircraft that matters to them. If you get shot, then the FAA and FBI assumes you deserved it for having the audacity to enjoy the airspace reserved for Amazon.
Absolutely not. FRIA can only be assigned to clubs associated with Community Based Organizations. And to make things a bit worse, all drone flying is prohibited over BLM property. See below: National Parks Service (NPS) Rules Against Drone Operations on Federal Land. In general, take off and landing of a UAS is prohibited in lands administered by the National Parks Service and in Wilderness areas administered by a variety of federal agencies such as the Forest Service and Bureau of Land Management.
This is what i wonder about, for the sightings, I’m not sure how good your eyes must be to see a tiny tiny quad like dji when you are going 100 mph plus for jets much higher .. like how does that even work I can’t imagine. I can’t even see it at 400f and I’m still, not moving
@@TimMcKay56 then i have to ask this question, are these reports maybe fake ? Could this be a push from the lobby to get FAA to do what they want ? I just don’t think this is possible for a human being to see especially in the cockpit where they need to pay attention to all kinds of stuff right. This is madness. I really don’t think that spotting of a quad that’s DJI mavic size is possible at over 300mph, just plain fact. before you can register it you already moved so much that you can’t see it anymore
Thank you for another great update and video. Who is to say that all of those drone sightings that you mentioned at the end of the video did not have LAANC approval? Am I missing something?
As I mentioned, they may have been cleared. But the traffic would have been known to controllers and called out, not the other way around. Plus, LAANC operations just would not be approved with passenger carrying aircraft in the area. Tim
@@TimMcKay56 Hmm, I live close to an international airport in class B airspace. Every LAANC request I have made has been approved nearly instantaneously. I am a ways out in a 400ft approval grid.
@@CousinSchultz Interesting. Class B airspace touches the ground quite close to the airport (the "old inverted wedding cake" diagram). Even if cleared, a drone should not be anywhere within visual sight of an A380 at 8,000 feet, as the controller a) has not way of seeing the drone no their radar screen and b) cannot control the drone by giving it a heading or altitude to fly. Tim
@@gordonmckay4523 I found the report and will give it a deep dive later today. No recreational drone should ever be flying above 400ft AGL no matter where it is flying per the FAA. I suppose a waiver could come into play, but I am not sure if the FAA gives waivers to recreational flyers.
@@my_dear_friend_ even when it is 'shielded operations'? imagine that his land has trees 150' tall everywhere, any problems that a commercial aircraft would have at that altitude would not be with the drone.
@@skesseks - I assume so. But I would also assume that the FAA will not care that much in reality. An insurance company will care about an illegally operated drone though if there is an incident they are asked to cover.
Flight controllers and the ability to flash open source firmware like inav or ardupilot make me think that's not true. Pretty sure it will always be possible, and not even very hard (it isn't hard now), to build a drone without RID.
Sorry forgot to thank you for a great clip. My belief is that 95 + % of the drones violating the airspace are flying GPS (Maverick) style drones, and the problem is that they are not the in it as a hobby, just an occasional flyer. This is why they are not informed of these issues they do not follow any of this. Please I am not talking about all DJI fliers at all, just the ones that do not follow the hobby. A new idea how to reach these folks might be very helpful. Happy Flying to all.
Hi, Thank you. I'm a recreational UAS pilot. I can only guess how scary it might be to see a drone as you are on final in any manned aircraft. I have read accounts about rogue drones in controlled airspace that could possibly crash into an aircraft and cause a major incident or loss of life. I have no problem accepting I have an unmanned aircraft and the FAA is in charge of risk management of the national airspace. I fly in several controlled areas, and always get LAANC approval before I fly. I also fly in uncontrolled airspace. I have registered my drone, and have a TRUST certificate. I am also a student studying for my pt 107. I fly a DJI AIR 2 (not RID certified). So, I'll need this broadcast module. My big concern as a woman is that the Cell Phone Apps can pinpoint the drone and the pilot location... I have never been harassed, because no one knows my location, though they might see my drone at less than 400ft AGL. If you understand our nation has become filled with people who self appoint as cop, judge and jury who look for anything they can interfere with - you know school boards teachers curriculums, etc. I have concerns that someone may approach to harass, or rob my craft/equipment, when any cell phone has ability to see the RID signal and locate the pilot and drone. I see RID as not safe for pilots in this manner. Thank you.
I do hope many FRIA's get approval. Remote ID is so impractical. Thankfully in UK up to now all we have to do is pay £9 and stick an extremely long number on the model. Hope it doesn't affect you to much.
@@sUASNews Thanks for the heads up. i did say up to now knowing the threat. Will keep objecting where possible. Bruce Simpson in New Zealand is a good ally. He a very clever man defending the hobby
Thank you for presenting helpful information in a rational, level-headed discussion. Those in the tin-foil hats blabbering their conspiracy theories are a threat to this hobby.
What the FAA doing something before it has to be done, you forget the are a federal agency and get paid to take coffee breaks not work. All kidding aside, the module sounds cheaper overall, the cost of joining the AMA and the club is just to expensive for some people, i have 9 RC helicopters ( micro up to a 600) which i have not flown, i have started making rubber powered planes again since this all started.
My airplane stuff is put away . I'm not driving a half hour and buying a module to fly . I can run my 10th scale monster truck around the neighborhood . I've always liked FF planes also .
The true purpose of remote ID is to eliminate recreational RC drone and model airplanes so that big corporations commercial drone service. At this point it is impossible to comply by September. I've got a number of model airplanes and a camera drone. I can't afford to spend $200 a module to equip all my planes. And the weight will severely affect their flight ability.
CC: I still think we should wait a bit before getting too wound up on remote ID. The technology exists with the 100+ manufacturers with approved remote ID systems. We just need someone to make a more affordable version. I think we'll get there. Tim
The FAA is not authorizing FRIA's due to the strict guidelines on CBO and Educational institutions. They say no one is an educational institution unless they're sanctioned by the Federal Government. They are intentionally making it hard. Non-Compliance with REMOTE ID is already all over the internet. As pilot bill of rights and under 107 and section 91, any pilot can avoid any regulation in an effort to avoid an emergency as per Drone U.
This is not true. On www.FAA.gov, the FAA lists the four approved CBOs for FRIA applications. The delay has been due to an environmental review. That being said, the FAA should be doing a MUCH better job on communicating this. Keep in mind, there will be thousands of drones pilots complying with remote ID come Sept 16, i.e. those who purchased a drone after Dec 16, 2022. RID built in the factory, whether the drone pilots are even aware of this is a separate discussion. I have no idea what you are talking about regarding "avoiding any regulation". Best I can guess . . . any pilot who declares an inflight emergency can deviate from any FAA regulation as needed. Catch is you have to explain this when back on the ground, like why you declared emergency fuel, etc. And as drones are by definition unmanned, this approach cannot be used. Tim
@@TimMcKay56 It is very true as I applied for a FRIA. You should be careful declaring something untrue. It is multifaceted. NEPA requirement. Ok... haven't heard that anywhere at FAA... That said I AGREE with you re: communication. Also yes, you absolutely can deviate from any regulation, you'll be explaining it to probably no one... as there are less than 14 leap agents in the whole country. This approach can be used as well, it is explain in 14 CFR 91 and 14 CFR 107. Thank you. Also, you only have to report the deviation if requested by the FAA within 10 days. Under the pilot bill of rights, you can say nothing. Unmanned or Not, the FAA deemed drones and rc airplanes as Aircraft. They can reap what they sow. Paul (10 year owner of Drone School.)
I think people are being compensated or indulged to fly in restricted airspace to reinforce the necessity of regulations in the public eye. IMO, They sold the class G airspace to corporate delivery entities. They will soon be delivering people by multi-rotors and personal aircraft. They don't want Johnny and his Walmart toy flying around.
Without spending any money at a FRIA = $100ish annually for AMA membership + $100ish annually for your Club membership (+ membership at any neighboring clubs you wish to fly at😢)
Lasers have been a frequent safety issue for pilots for years....when are they going to require remote ID's to accompany those purchases?...government over reach is getting ridiculous. (good job on the video tho- informative)
Faa and remote id will literally stop a kid from going into a hobby store buy a plane and take it to a open field/ park on saturday with dad ! /mom pretty sad
My guess is that the FAA will NOT slip the Remote ID compliance date. Why NOT? Affordability is subjective. To many, $ 200 is affordable especially since the device can be moved from one craft to another. Sure, a $ 50 device would be nice, but that isn't likely to happen. Especially since prices on everything has went up in the last 2 years.
@@skesseks So, if you are Part 107, then that is not recreational even if you are flying just for fun. What if you are flying a sub-250 gram drone just for fun? Can you not use the Recreational Exemption???
Just thinking as a taxpayer, if they care so much about compliance and deadlines, we pay enough taxes for me to be comfortable saying they should have a program that reimburses the financial burden to compliance.
Actually, no. Washington is so anti-tax any new program needs to charge fees to support. This why we need to pay $5 every three years for drone registration. Tim
@@TimMcKay56 I guess I didn't mean pay more taxes, just fit it into the bill 😂 I get what you're saying though, just random thinking out loud on my part
I've talked to you before about manufacturer compliance with Remote ID and the lack thereof. It's not September 16 2023 that manufacturers need to be in compliance, that date is for drone users to fly Remote ID capable drones outside of a FRIA. September 16, 2022 is the date that all drones manufactured need to be manufactured with Remote ID built in, with certain companies exempt until December 2022. DJI complied on certain model drones in September 2022 and was approved by the FAA at that time. As in my original question, where are the RC aircraft being sold 9 months after the September 2022 date of manufacture compliance for built in Remote ID? Nowhere is the answer. Not a single RC airplane from Hobbyking, Tower Hobbies, or Horizon Hobby being sold today have Remote ID built in.
The AMA should have worked with the drone pilots to try to resolve some of these issues when it went to congress. This is the same cold cold shoulder you get if you try to join a club to fly. They seem to want you to join, pay, and not fly. Not having the FRIAs is there fault. I do not know why they are acting like that, but when the older generation gets out of the hobby the membership will shrink, and the AMA is in trouble. At one point I considered joining the AMA. I will not now and a lot of drone pilots either will not join or will get out. If the AMA worked with us I would have joined just for the support. I fly FPV, and most of the people I know are very very responsible, and they would have joined as well. This is besides the fact I would have never flown on their fields anyway. That would have been a win win for them. Better start looking at the future.
Additionally to the aggravation of RID comes bureaucracy. God have mercy of US airmodelers, especially fixed-wing ones who should not be regulated ar all!!!
Anyone who's ever been in an airplane and looked down knows how abjectly absurd RemoteID and safety argument , and it's the commons ense argument people should be arguing. FPV quads and RC planes fly around tree top level under the eight of a cell tower. If you're an airplane or helicopter, you have no business being down that low unless you are taking off, landing, hot dogging (a valid argument), fire fighting or emergency rescue,or crop dusting. The last three are assumed to be 100% comfortable with danger and risk by nature of what they are doing and their elevated pilot skills. Since RC pilots don't fly near airports unless invited or it's a private airport specically open to RC, there is like zero chance of collision because these things occupy completely different air spaces.
Drone \ rc model registration was the thin end of the edge. That came in just over 3 years ago in the UK as the CAA followed the FAA. No doubt, Remote ID will be forced on us in the UK as well. Im already selling up my RC helis and building an OO gauge railway in my garage. The restrictions and red tape being forced on modellers is ludicrous and more people will either fly illegally until caught or, leave the hobby altogether.
As an rc helicopter pilot, this is an intrusion of immense magnitude into our individual liberties. Firstly, rc recreational flying has been proven safe through decades. Secondly, unmanned airspace (ie: below 400’ agl) belongs to we the people, not corporations. Thirdly, as anyone who has flown an rc airplane or helicopter knows, you must fly line of sight. If you take your eyes off of your aircraft for more than a few seconds, you will crash. These restrictions should have been limited to “drones”. The government is simply banning our hobby because it is an annoyance to them. And the AMA simply has zero lobbying power.
That will not work, as this would cover 95% of all flying, assuming we are below 400 feet altitude. Remember, remote ID is to track where the drone has been and its take off location. Not air traffic deconfliction. Tim
Below 400’ agl has been reserved for the general publics use since the inception of the FAA. It is UNMANNED airspace! It is OUR airspace! I truly believe these restrictions are not for safety, but are paving the way for commercial, RID compliant, FAA approved, delivery drones that they think we want and need.
What Drone Pilots either Part 107 or Recreational wants to fly in a FRIA???? Drone pilots want to get out and explore the world and shoot arial video and photography. Who wants to go to a DESIGNATED AREA to fly their Drone??? Especially when we already have areas the FAA say we can legally fly, either as a 107 pilot or a recreational pilot. I’m not a fan of Remote ID but I say it you can’t beat ‘em and actually want to fly your drone where YOU want to fly it legally… then get a drone with remote ID or retrofit your current drone with an ID module and go out and enjoy flying your drone. To me it makes more sense than flying in a FRIA.
Hey, I fully agree! Drone and fixed wing RC are two quite different tribes. I fly fixed wing. Happy to see my model flying around in circles, maybe even land somewhere on the runway. Same field every time. Drone bubbas like to explore, take their cameras to new and exciting places. As FRIAs do not cost a cent to implement, and serve a HUGE need for fixed wing flyers (essentially a very small restricted area, which the FAA is familiar with), why not? Tim
Guys wake up they are slowly taking away are hobby ive been flying helis , planes, 20 years now i also fly fpv drones scratch built not others and this is getting out of control i personally will not comply with remote id and i recommend anyone who wants to keep this hobby going do the same
@@TimMcKay56 its not about the cost they will give your personal info and location to anyone with the app you will have Karen’s showing up at the park and harassing you and calling the police on you for no reason this will be a massive problem
@@timmytfpv7316 Well, this is all a hypothetical discussion. With a 2 km transmit range, not really sure how many folks will use that to track down drone users. We'll see . . .
@@gordonmckay4523 it's more than two miles when all this information will be relayed to cell networks from a grid of passive wifi receivers (in cities at least).
AMA has been toothless in this since 2014 when the FAA interference in our hobby was initiated. Resent having to blindly pay this ransom money every year just to fly a homemade foam airplane under a 1/2 pound. Stupid as the sun rises, stupid as the sun sets, not getting around the highway robbery.
@@TimMcKay56 There was nothing but a feeble milquetoast response - the FAA is akin to the ATF - overstepping their boundaries and crushing quality of life. AMA has been an absolute joke. I'm not rolling over - there will be a day when playing field will be leveled.
I really really wish that you professional pilots would stop shilling for the FAA and their overstep and violation of individual people's privacy. Remote ID is is the first step in removing drone hobbyists from consideration. The FAA wants the drone hobby to be so expensive that only the super affluent can do it just like they do with fixed-wing. And it all started with registering drones.
It actually started with the hundreds of Class B, C and D airspace violations by drones. 32 violations in the first week of Oct 2022. Do Google "FAA UAS Sightings" to see the quarterly reports. Few things will get the FAA's attention quicker than and airspace violation. Tim
@@TimMcKay56 supposed sightings. I have looked into the uas sightings. There was no accompanying evidence that any of them are true. Both primary and secondary radar showed nothing at the time of sighting. And considering primary radar can see a sparrow in a pass, that leaves now questions then answers. Making registration, and remote ID laws is for Congress to do. Not unelected bureaucrats to decide.
@@vampyflys Well, as a former B-777F pilot who has seen one of these quadcopters in controlled airspace, I am not sure all sighting reports are made up. And there is no way ATC radar can pick these suckers up, as a) the airspace (radar scope) is incredibly crowed and b) ATC radar relies on transponders anyhow. Do read the 2018 FAA Reauthorizastion Act (Act of law by Congress). The need for remote ID is spelled out in great detail, FAA just following orders. Tim
@@gordonmckay4523 every radar station that uses secondary radar which is used with transponders also has a primary radar in case the secondary stops working. It's called redundantsy. I've worked at several radar facilities. Trust me. If a UAV was there, the primary radar would see it.
WOW .... seriously ? it's called government over-reach and this IS the beginning of the end for the individual rc model flight . Enjoy the Kool-Aid !!!
Tim my man , I only think these remote id devices should go to those drones and not to foamy RC airplanes, too much government overreach controlling our Hobby and just taking the fun out of life, what say you fellow pilot?
WB: I take your point. But recall, everything was fine with RC model airplane flight from around 1950 to 2010 or so. This is when the electric quadcopters, with good cameras, started flying around. The RC pilots by and large did two things that kept up out of trouble with the FAA: We kept sight of our models 100% of the time (essentially see and avoid for other traffic) and we did not violate Class B, C or D airspace. It is the airspace violations (plus overflight of stadiums, public events, etc.) that forced action on remote ID by Congress to the FAA. So, things are where they are. Remote ID technology will mature and, I think, more or less fade into the background of our day to day flying. Tim
@@TimMcKay56 Yeup, I hear tell, that they are clearing the sky from us hobby chumps so that the delivery drones can clog the skys forcing us to comply. Hey their profit over our freedom wins out all the time. Got paper air plane? Oh well gotta find another hobby, richy rich wins again.
@@TimMcKay56 stop painting the quad as the bad guy. you are say that there has NEVER been a problem with the fixed wing flyers? then why did the AMA even form? clearly there was a reason, probably to educate pilots and people so things could be safe. please give the multi-rotor community the same consideration. or is your stance " i've got mine, you don't get yours"?
This is nonsense Tim. The number of airspace violations by quadcopter pilots is very small now and they’re committed primarily by out of the box camera drones. Imo the existing regulations were sufficient but at the very least DIY “drones” should be exempted from the RemoteID requirement, as they are in Europe. Of course that’s too common sense for American regulators. But then again, this was never about safety. This entire thing is about forcing hobbyists out of the air so private interests can use the public airspace unfettered. All one has to do is look who was involved in the rule making for remote id.
All the companies that continue to make models will have to up the price of there products because of the oproval test. And I bet even pnp and rtf planes and helis will have the same imposed on it. Given the rc model industry is already too expensive for most people. So over the next 5 years the rc model industry will die completely this is the end to the hobby. Your average eflight will cost hundreds of dollars more RIP rc hobby
Give up Tim, this hobby is on it's way out. Surely you've noticed. You, like a lot of us have been involved for years - your surrounded by trees so you can't see that you'r in a vast forest. Very few people, especially youths, are going to devote this sort of time and money unless close relatives are involved. There are few building skills involved these days so youths will just buy a under 250 gm RTF and like any other 'toy' they will move on to something else.
Debbie Downer!! I've been flying RC since my Goldberg RC Range 42 foamie in 1972. This is the best it has ever been in terms of prices, variety of models and the brushless electric motor/lipo revolution. Could not be any happier with where we are. Tim
@@TimMcKay56 Good heavens - by your own admission you have just confirmed my contention, you are, like me, doing something you have been doing for decades, no wonder we are trying to preserve decades old habits and interests - but try to imagine that you are 15 again and without an uncle 'Tim' to help, all the things you are duscussing here to preserve your hobby are making it unattractive.
Thank you a hundred times, Tim, for keeping us updated on remote ID. Cheers from a recreational drone pilot in Wisconsin.
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Thanks for the informative video. I am surprised to learn that no FRIA’s have beed approved. FYI, the AMA sanctioned club field I fly at has been denied FRIA status by the FAA. We have flown at this site for over 20 years with no negative impact. The FAA sited areas the public MIGHT gather, public streets and public buildings as the reason for denial. As a club, we are in shock.
Winger: Wow, that is a data point I had not expected. Thanks for sharing. Tim
Winger: Plz see Ron Bell’s note on initial FRIA denial!! Tim
We were denied because of the public too. They also said that I’m not an official representative for the club. I’m the vice president and safety officer. 🤷🏻♂️
@@jasontidwell1206 Geez, I am learning something every day on this important matter. Thanks for the update. Tim
I strongly suspect that the entire issue of a FRIA was part of the FAA bait and switch. It was used to sucker punch the AMA into going along with the FAA power grab and by the time the AMA would realize they had been suckered it would be too late.
A very informative video which nhqs provided valuable background informtion on the implementation of remote ID, thank you
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Thank you for your time in explaining all of this information and adding clarity to myself and many others. It’s my hope that my club is notified of our FRIA status before September 16 so we can all be in compliance. 👍
Hopefully we’ll hear something soon! Tim
Safety conscious and law abiding drone pilots are not and will not be the ones causing the vast majority of the concerns. Those who already operate their drones illegally in restricted airspace without FAA authorization will continue to fly without remote ID.
KH: Well, sort of. Assuming the life of an average quadcopter is 2-3 years. By the time a new quad is purchased it will have remote ID installed, whether the pilot knows this or not. So eventually, as the drone fleet today ages out, it will become 100% remote ID compliant. I honestly do not think the fixed wing RC community is an issue, as we are not flying out and about taking pictures. I also think, some day some, all RC receivers will be remote ID compliant. It is not a difficult feature to implement. We'll see! Tim
@@TimMcKay56 - Good point. I assume this will be the case for ready to fly models. It seems that simply selling not ready to fly drones will allow manufacturers to avoid compliance. Maybe the convenience of RTF is much more in demand by recreational multicopter operators. I will be happy when RID is no longer an issue.
@@TimMcKay56 unless you are a hobbyist and build your own. if you don't install it, it ain't there.
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@@TimMcKay56 that isn't taking into account DIY built aircraft. If you build it yourself you don't need a remote id board to make it fly.
Thanks for the update. Greatly appreciated.
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Tim, Thank you for the update. Your hard work is greatly appricated.
Steve: Many thanks! 😊 Tim
Thank you for the update
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Any word Tim, about the requested increase in weight up to a pound I think it was? I can't remember but the FliteTest folks spoke of the increase in weight such that most of our park fliers would be treated as toys and fall out of all the remote id and FRIA requirements.
I have not heard yet. Flite Test will know soonest! Tim
Up to 1kg.
The statistics on unauthorized controlled air space intrusions knocked me over. Surprising/lucky there haven’t been more collisions than we’ve seen to date. I think the FAA needs to conduct a more aggressive education program for manufacturers. Drone makers need to do better at advising buyers about airspace, and where to find the rules. Newcomers don’t always know. When I bought my first drone three years ago, I had no clue about air space regulations, for drones anyway. As a former fixed wing pilot, I instinctively knew not to fly near airports.
Remote ID Module: A reasonable price for what they do would be around $30-$40. I think they should be sold and registered in sets of two. I expect the price to drop rapidly as the scale of numbers and competition kicks in.
Great report as always Tim. Thank you for taking the time.
BWM: Thanks so much for checking in! Probably a good idea for the drone manufacturers to alert buyers about FAA regs. Better yet, point them to the link for the FAA TRUST test, kill two birds with one stone. Agree with the remote ID modules, I think this will all get sorted out. Tim
Most of the statistics are made up - a lot of the alleged "drone" sightings are balloons, plastic bags, or things that cannot possibly be drones. (Some of the NASA reports I've seen literally describe UFOs/UAPs - pretty sure no one is flying a 30-foot diameter circular "drone" at 35,000 ft! and 400+ knots!)
@@TimMcKay56Not only this, but the remote ID should applied to manufacturers, not to homebuilds. Same way that catalytic converters work. Most don’t build their own, and those that do are much more likely to be aware of rules and respect them. And the ones that are purposefully doing illegal stuff are going to just not get a module and break the law either way. For builders, it pretty much just harms those that follow the law already. The problem is idiots with no training or interest in learning the law buying something off the shelf and being in the air within the hour
Starting point appears to be around US$100 each - and few will have connectors designed for multiple connecting so if you expect to hot swap will break the leads after a dozen or so moves... The manufacturers will not supply anything unless it's at a profit, and the only volume manufacturers currently capable of mass production at scale will be Chinese, so good luck with that in the short term too.
@@boatbeard7767 I’m doing a video on a $39 remote ID module, so we’ll see. 😊 Tim
Makes you wonder if the AMA headquarters flying site will get approved considering how close it sits to Reese Airport....
Could get interesting! Tim
In my opinion, one of the best options that doesn't require Remote ID is flying a sub-250 gram craft under the Recreational Exemption (solely and purely for FUN). I realize that a lot of folks like to fly a "heavy" craft, however, smaller craft are also fun to build and fly.
Buddy: 100% correct! Tim
Unless you are an inexperienced builder or beginning pilot. Or there is wind.
@@my_dear_friend_ Well, I do only fly quadcopters and not planes nor wings. I have sub-250 grams quads that do quite well in the wind, no problem. I do realize that things with wings might have a harder time with wind. Also, I only fly FPV. From a pilot's perspective, you can't tell what type of craft you are flying as you don't see the craft.
@@my_dear_friend_ Many small RC planes are now gyro stabilized and fly well in the wind. I have a 60 gram plane, with a 16" wingspan, that I've flown in winds up to 22 MPH, and it's my first RC airplane. No problem dude.
@@davescott9409 - Good to know. I am in the hobby though to build what i fly and not just to buy what i fly. And i want to experiment. And i want my students (who are total beginners) to be able to do that too. Tiny RC planes are almost impossible for them to build AND fly. Hard for me still.
Our club had our initial FRIA application denied for the same reason given earlier by Winger 1955. Upon investigation we discovered that our submission had accidentally given the GPS coordinates of our flying field gate as our club location. We have now resubmitted using the corner coordinates for our AMA approved “flight box”. Fingers crossed that solves the issue.
Ron: Hello and thanks for this crucial update! Tim
Thanks for the update Tim
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Good video Tim. Liked and commented, I hope this helps to push you over 15k subscribers.
Always loved this channel. Thank you for your time.
Michael: Many thanks for checking in and your support!! Tim
all true good job
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As a full scale pilot you have different perspective of the rules and regulations of FAA than the non AMA hobbiest. Of course, don't fly in airspace for general aviation. But outside of those areas, a park, a cornfield, our own property, we see the FAA setting a arbitrary dealine for enforcement, and not providing proper lead-time or even basic instructions for compliance? And then they use their own bureaucratic excuses for why they don't do their job? They've said they don't have time to approve all the fria s is so they have to limit it! Yet they don't move the deadline! It's a power grab, and the club infrastructure is compliant with that power grab, for their own perceived short sided benefit. Please don't be surprised when this bites the clubs and their infrastructure in the butt! And yet every Christmas moron will ignore the rules, but yet watch the FAA come down hard on the safe and conservative electric foamy hobbyist instead!
Yup, interesting times ahead! Tim
Tim thank you for a well presented and well stated video regarding our aviation hobby.....yes the government thinks our line of sight model P-51 Mustang and F-4U Corsair are drones that pose a threat to someone.....The FAA may have hoodwinked the AMA and the entire nation of Model Aircraft enthusiast into placating an exception for the compliance of RID.....an exception that may not happen......sure looks that way.
Remote ID is brand new, will be modifications for sure as this major program is fully implemented. Tim
@@TimMcKay56 The unforeseen requirements to meet FRIA designation may put an end to many club sites....the "Environmental Impact Studies" could close any AMA Sanctioned club field....even if they have been in operation for over 60 years without incident....if 09-16-23 FRIA designations are not provided then RID will probably be the only means of flying legally.....I have serious doubts the FAA will slip the date.....your video's keeping us up to date is most valuable please keep up the good work sir
It will be interesting to see if, and how many, FRIAS are actually approved and operational by September 16, 2023. Whether this happens or not, I sincerely doubt that the date will be pushed back for Remote ID. Guys, we have had about 2 years of watching this and hopefully preparing and considering our options.
We'll find out in a couple of months! Tim
There is only one option here, mass non-compliance! The government can take their victimless Malum Prohibitum rules and kick rocks.
One of my concerns, especially with this pretty lengthy radio silence from the AMA/FAA with regards to FRIA applications, is if there are any concerns with the submission. For instance I submit the FRIA application to the AMA for our club back in December. Had maybe 5-6 emails back and forth with an AMA representative about the submission, was told everything looks good, and haven't heard anything since. My hope with no further clarifications, that we should get approved quickly once that NEPA thing clears but will honestly be incredibly annoyed if they just come back with clarification requests 7 months later.
Agree the FAA needs to do a much better job at comms. Do see my video, Why no FRIAs. Hold up until 3 July for environmental review. Tim
The manufacturer Declaration of Compliance is "self-certifying". It is not approved/denied by the FAA. It will only come under review if one is involved in an incident, found not to be compliant after the manufacturer said it was.
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Thank you Tim for creating informative and well reasoned content based on fact not speculation.
It’s July 2nd so the environmental consultation period should be completing for the first batch of FRIA’s. I wonder what we will see in the next 7 days. Perhaps you can provide an update soon?
One other thing I’m curious about. You said that all drones (UAS) sold after Sep 16th 2023 must be certified to comply with RID. Does this include all the fixed wing models available today that don’t have RID. Will those manufacturers be in breach of the regulation if they continue to sell those models without RID. That will be a big hit for those sellers if it is true.
Craig: Thanks for checking in! I am very curious to see when the first FRIAs will be approved. I would expect middle of July, will let folks know soonest. For the selling of drones and remote ID, that is just for stand-alone drones that come ready to fly out of the box. For fixed wing, no RID requirement to sell yet. Any manufacturer selling drones without RID after Sept 16 can get into a lot of trouble with the Commerce Dept, etc. Tim
@@TimMcKay56 Thanks Tim. This is where I get confused. Our fixed wing model RC planes are classified as UAS by the FAA and we are required to comply with RID after 16th Sep or fly in a FRIA. And yet as far as the RC fixed wing manufacturers are concerned it doesn’t apply to them? There are VTOL “drones” that have wings also. Are they fixed wing or something else? This is where there seems to be a grey area. I thought the FAA was treating all UAS the same so the fixed wing RC manufacturers must surely come under the same rule? There needs to be consistency in how the regulations are applied? Wouldn’t you agree?
@@craigstatham4397 Fully agree, this area should be a lot more clear. Tim
If I were an RC fixed wing manufacturer I’d be concerned. I don’t know if there’s explicit wording that excludes them from the manufacturer requirements but I suspect not or else it would be more clear. Has anyone seen wording to that effect? If not, looks like they could be heading for hefty fines if they get caught out here. Yikes!
Did some more research tonight and found this comment on one of the FlightTest forums…
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It's likely that anything that is a complete "system" meaning Tx and Rx are included will require Standard Remote ID that broadcasts the position of the craft AND the pilot. That's why DJI requires you to use your phone with their system because the Tx doesn't natively have GPS, so they pull the coordinates off the phone plugged into the TX.
For BNF, ARF, etc. it's not clear (but implied?) that these must come with Broadcast Remote ID that advertises the location of the craft only.
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So it seems to me that the fixed wing RC manufacturers ARE caught up in these rules but are perhaps “flying under the radar” currently - excuse the pun. They may need to be careful moving forwards.
Unfortunately, it’s seems that the FAA, when quizzed, were unable to clarify the situation and simply pointed back to rules. This seems to show a lack of understanding that the FAA has around the fixed wing RC hobby. I suspect this hobby is not really their target and never was. Fixed wing RC models should not be bucketed as recreational drones. Sorry drone guys, I support you in your hobby too, and this lack of clarity just sucks all round IMO.
What really amazes me is that the FAA is putting this restriction on RC hobbyists but anyone can fly an ultralight without a license.
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CASA in Australia is now following the same playbook as the FAA. When has a license plate ever stopped a crime.
What?!? The number of crimes solved with the start of a license plate ID is astounding. First thing cops run a check after a stop. Outstanding warrants, suspended license, etc. Tim
Thanks for the timely updates, Tim. After you displayed that FAA 'Operating Airspace Incursion/Violation'-report, citing all those readily identifiable UAS sightings by pilots clearly as 'quad drones/multi-rotors'...
I cannot reconcile nor forgive HOW BIG a mistake it was to lump our legacy, fixed-wing + heli model planes 'in' with multi-directional, non-wing lift dependent drone UAS. Legacy RC plane hobbyists & models were NOT and still ARE NOT "..the problem..".
One size sure as H*ll doesn't 'fit' all; they've damned a sport & seminal STEM hobby with this corporate commerce-driven airspace grab...when they 'could' have elevated multi-copter flying into it's own, niche or 'elite & professional' class pursuit.
Anton: Very good points. Perhaps, as the remote ID discussion matures, we can get to that point. FRIAs are a step in the right direction, as few drone pilots fly from clubs, from my experience. Tim
@@TimMcKay56 "... then they came for my plane, but there was no one left to defend me...". Tim, yours and Anton's position is quite bigoted toward the responsible multi-rotor pilot. don't delude yourselves with the thought that you will not also be targeted. really. is it pure coincidence that no ama field has been approved for FRIA? the government moves VERY fast when they want to.
Not just this, but home builders are distinct from those that buy off the shelf and are flying that day, with no need to learn the laws they’re supposed to follow. Home building isn’t something you can just do on impulse, and the people who do it are likely to follow the law, or if they don’t, they’re not going to get a module anyway. So for home builders, it just harms the ones that already know and follow the law. This should be a manufacturer requirement only.
Your AMA etc. were unable to promote or refute anything of note into the corporate and commercially dominated lobby groups. The assumption appeared to be that history and good will would hold some power in the legislative framework - it was a grave error to think like that when the big money is in the room...
@@boatbeard7767 I respectfully disagree. Without AMA at the table with the FAA, we’d be toast. Tim
Great video Tim. I agree with you that nobody is going to spend $200 to $300 on a remote ID module to put in one of their existing airplanes. That is an order of magnitude more than most people will spend.
I think that there's an issue with the 100 plus manufacturers who are going to sell airplanes with built in remote ID modules. Are the Chinese companies that manufacturer RC aircraft going to comply? If they don't, I can tell you that a more people will be buying from them in order to circumvent the requirement.
The Chinese manufacturers have to comply, or no sales. Commerce Dept will seize, etc. if needed. Tim
Sell your plane or copter in a not ready to fly configuration (e.g. without the battery) and you can leave the compliance with RID to the customer.
If that's US 200 to 300 then it's more like 500 for when us Aussies have it implemented.
Thank you for your video. Let’s give this subject some traction. Like and comment on remote ID videos.❤
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I think we should all take a breath and remember that the FAA motto is, "At the FAA we're not happy until you're not happy"! Once we put that into proper perspective I think we all can imagine where this is headed. Sorry AMA............😢
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You mentioned the number of quote-unquote drone sightings, how many bird sightings were there from manned aircraft? And how many manned aircraft and manned aircraft collisions were there?
There are lots of bird sightings, just ask Capt Sully. FAA working to prevent a drone/airliner collision. Not pick up the pieces after a collision. I’ve seen a rather large drone flying in controlled airspace while piloting the B-777F. It is VERY worrisome, I can assure you. Tim
Let’s be real, the chances of collision with a bird are significantly higher than a drone. If not flown near airports the chances are near zero that’s also why we haven’t see many of these things happening (exactly 2 i know of which were police drones lol) 3 dimensional space is big and drones are tiny. I’m not saying people should fly them there but the argument that this is somehow crazy dangerous escapes me completely. These drones people talk about are like 500g foamies lol that would do exactly nothing to any manned aircraft put there really, just for a perspective it took 20+ full size 9lbs geese to take down a jet engine on the plane in nyc, go figure
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@TimMcKay56 I am glad that you were able to survive your "drone" sighting, and are alive to tell the tale. I would love to investigate this further and @xjet might be interested in an actual unfabricated account that has not passed through the bloat and misinformation of the international media machine.
I have so many questions that will help me conduct this investigation. I would appreciate your help in this matter. I assume that most of this information was already filed with your report with the FAA.
(In no particular order)
What was the date, time, and location of the sighting?
What altitude were you flying at at the time?
What was your distance from the nearest airport?
What class airspace were you in at the time?
Were you on approach or departure?
Were you ascending or descending or level?
What was the height of the drone? 400', 500', 100', 500'?
What was the height of the canopy at your location?
What was the height of the drone over the canopy?
What kind of drone was it? Quadcopter? Helicopter? Hexcopter? Octocopter? Tricopter? Fixed wing? Flying wing? DHL glider? Powered glider? Turbine jet? Scale RC? Foamy? Military replica? Single wing trainer? Biplane? A shaped wing or rectangle?
Was there an exhaust trail indicating that it was a gasser, or was it electric?
What was your distance from the drone?
What was the drones heading?
What was the total time the drone was in view?
What color was it?
Was there any writing visible? Faa registration number? "Happy Birthday"? 😊?
Is there any chance it could have been an escaped helium balloon 🎈 or an escaped kite? Or an ultralight aircraft that was actually father than it appeared?
Thank you for answering these questions. Your help in this matter will go very far with helping to educate any ignorant RC pilots that are willing to lo learn. Of course, there is nothing anyone can do about someone who was already fully informed and chooses to break the rules anyway. Just look at the average driving speed above the posted limit at any given time and place to see just how many people are fully willing to violate rules if they think that they do not apply to them.
I thought of a couple more questions.
Did you have to take evasive action to avoid the drone?
Did the drone take evasive action to avoid hitting you? (Or more likely getting hit by you, as it would be like a semi hitting a mosquito.)
Did the drone take any action at all that would indicate that it was aware of your presence and was moving away to avoid getting obliterated?
Thanks again.
AMA membership is $85 a year plus there could be fees to use the flying field. How is that free??? It could end up costing more to fly at a fria than it would to have remote ID module.
Tom: So here is the deal. I do not expect most RC modelers to know this, but this is what is going on. The AMA is our lobbying organization. There is a great deal of traffic and use of the National Airspace System. The FAA is under constant pressure from various groups (airlines, military, sport flyers, parachutes, balloons, etc.) to gain access and use of the NAS. Spotlight now on drones due to numerous, numerous airspace violations. The FAA is going to make rules. The key thing is to have a "seat at the table" when those rules are being made. For drones that includes the airlines, ALPA, AOPA, Experimental Aircraft Society, etc. And for us . . . it's the AMA. Without robust AMA involvement in these Washington meetings, RC flight could simply go away. Tim
@@TimMcKay56 under you rules and guidelines most of my UAS would be grounded for having too high a cell count battery. Before this all started I had heard that some flying fields had not been multi rotor friendly. What would my recourse be if I paid $85 and my local flying field decided they didn’t want multi rotors. I have not heard of a single fatality due to multi rotors. This is really about Amazon wanting to deliver by drone so they can cut their workforce even more. Once Amazon has a fleet of poorly maintained drones controlled by two few people, I am sure that count will go up. I agree that it’s important to have representation but am not convinced that the AMA will support the type of flying I do.
@@TechnicallyTom High cell count?? (confused). For what it's worth, AMA is the only game in town for Washington engagement and how RC aircraft are treated by the FAA. And this problem will not get any better as time goes on. We absolutely need advocacy. Amazon is a fairly small player in commercial drones. Best to keep your sights on UPS, FedEx and DHL. Tim
Is every cou try dojng this new remote ID law? Or just usa?
Europe as well, do not know specifics. Tim
Good video
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simple enough for me:
no RID= no drone is visible.
and that's the way I like it.
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Tim, thanks for all the sensible information on remote id. I have a question that you may be able to answer. Remote id broadcasts my FAA registration number. The way it does that is that I have to put the information in to the remote id unit. Could a bad actor get the app and see my FAA registration number and input it to his remote id unit? If that it possible I would be blamed for whatever violation he commits while broadcasting my number and any other information required to be broadcast.
Charles: Apologies, no idea on this. Tim
We all have to remember that the FAA is here to help...build their own empire. Seriously, as a commercial pilot of over 30 years, I'm sure the FAA sees an expense of $200 as extremely affordable, while many RC pilots see that as a new airplane or two. I only own one airplane, and it cost me $90. I'd like to buy more and bigger planes, but Remote ID could really end that possibility for me, if it adds a few hundred dollars to a plane purchase. The FAA is more
used to dealing with real airplanes, and they think nothing of creating new regulations that require airplane owners to install expensive avionics, that often cost thousands of dollars. The RC community
should really consider forming a Political Action Committee, to lobby Congress on our behalf.
Dave: Fully agree! If you do not like what Congress is doing, go bug Congress. I really think the price of remote ID will get lower, let's wait a bit and see how this works out. Tim
@@TimMcKay56 Me bugging congress won't do anything. It would take a significant effort, by the RC community, to effect change.
@@davescott9409 or just one billionaire hobbyist pilot.
@@TimMcKay56 waiting a bit to see what happened is what let the FAA for what it's already done to hurt the hobby
FRIAS will be by FAA mandate very few and far between. Those granted FRIA status I predict will not be re-authorized when they expire. Also there is a way to disable the public side of Remote ID. It prevents the apps available to the public from tracing you. The FAA and Law Enforcement trackers will still be able to monitor.
I do think there will be plenty of FRIAs, but we'll have to wait and see. FAA approvals to date have been incredibly late, not a great sign. And things will change with FRIAs, as the AMA is now seeking FAA permission to designate FRIAs on their own and back-brief the FAA. FRIAs are an "elegant solution" to RID as the entire goal is to know who is flying in the National Airspace System, and with FRIAs this is a cinch for the recreational flyers using the area. Tim
Be interesting to know, of the sighted drones by airline pilots how many were consumer camera drones (ie DJI) and how many were DIY fpv quadcopters.
Agree!
Is there any provision for very small drones? In other words does this only apply to a drone of a certain weight or larger?
Drones under 250 grams are exempt. Tim
Does anyone know exactly how Remote ID works? Specifically, is the signal sent to those parties that are inquiring from the drone itself, or is it sent from the remote? Or is this a combination of both? Like, if the module is broadcasting the drone's whereabouts to authorities, is it the drone that is giving this information, or is it the remote? From what I understand, authorities will be able to tell not just where the drone is, but also where the operator is as well. Or does it only show where the drone is at all times, and then the authorities can find out where the operator is by where the drone eventually lands?
Still a lot to learn and understand about the technical aspects. But a signal is broadcast by the drone with information about the flight, to include takeoff location. Tim
From what I understand, both position of the operator and the drone are broadcast. This information is permanently stored, and infrastructure is set up so that anyone from around the world can monitor your flight AND your flight HISTORY. Meanwhile, anyone can now shoot your drone out of the sky (or you the operator) for "spying" on them; or due to misguided views on "trespassing". The "good" thing about this is, that neither the FAA (nor FBI) will do do anything to go after or discourage anyone that shoots your drone down (that they may not have noticed otherwise)... because even though it's considered an aircraft, ("protected under federal laws"), it's not really an aircraft that matters to them. If you get shot, then the FAA and FBI assumes you deserved it for having the audacity to enjoy the airspace reserved for Amazon.
IS BUREAU OF LAND MANAGEMENT PROPERTY CONSIDERED FRIA?
Absolutely not. FRIA can only be assigned to clubs associated with Community Based Organizations. And to make things a bit worse, all drone flying is prohibited over BLM property. See below:
National Parks Service (NPS) Rules Against Drone Operations on Federal Land. In general, take off and landing of a UAS is prohibited in lands administered by the National Parks Service and in Wilderness areas administered by a variety of federal agencies such as the Forest Service and Bureau of Land Management.
SOUNDS LIKE GOOD OL GOVERNMENT
OVER REACH.....
I WONDER IF PRIVATE PILOTS ARE HELD TO AS STRICT STANDARDS?
Crazy times.
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This is what i wonder about, for the sightings, I’m not sure how good your eyes must be to see a tiny tiny quad like dji when you are going 100 mph plus for jets much higher .. like how does that even work I can’t imagine. I can’t even see it at 400f and I’m still, not moving
Drones are being seen, thus the reports. Tim
@@TimMcKay56 then i have to ask this question, are these reports maybe fake ? Could this be a push from the lobby to get FAA to do what they want ? I just don’t think this is possible for a human being to see especially in the cockpit where they need to pay attention to all kinds of stuff right. This is madness. I really don’t think that spotting of a quad that’s DJI mavic size is possible at over 300mph, just plain fact. before you can register it you already moved so much that you can’t see it anymore
Thank you for another great update and video. Who is to say that all of those drone sightings that you mentioned at the end of the video did not have LAANC approval? Am I missing something?
As I mentioned, they may have been cleared. But the traffic would have been known to controllers and called out, not the other way around. Plus, LAANC operations just would not be approved with passenger carrying aircraft in the area. Tim
@@TimMcKay56 Hmm, I live close to an international airport in class B airspace. Every LAANC request I have made has been approved nearly instantaneously. I am a ways out in a 400ft approval grid.
@@CousinSchultz Interesting. Class B airspace touches the ground quite close to the airport (the "old inverted wedding cake" diagram). Even if cleared, a drone should not be anywhere within visual sight of an A380 at 8,000 feet, as the controller a) has not way of seeing the drone no their radar screen and b) cannot control the drone by giving it a heading or altitude to fly. Tim
@@gordonmckay4523 I found the report and will give it a deep dive later today. No recreational drone should ever be flying above 400ft AGL no matter where it is flying per the FAA. I suppose a waiver could come into play, but I am not sure if the FAA gives waivers to recreational flyers.
How would this affect RC flying on my ranch, class Golf airspace? Would part 91.119(c) apply here?
Technically, you’ll need a module if not a FRIA. TIM
All airspace in the USA falls under FAA regulations. Airspace is public even if the land under it is privately owned. Kinda weird.
@@my_dear_friend_ even when it is 'shielded operations'? imagine that his land has trees 150' tall everywhere, any problems that a commercial aircraft would have at that altitude would not be with the drone.
@@skesseks - I assume so. But I would also assume that the FAA will not care that much in reality. An insurance company will care about an illegally operated drone though if there is an incident they are asked to cover.
@@skesseks - Apparently the FAA regulates all "navigable airspace" in the USA. There seems to be some room for interpretation. :)
Thousands of UAS sightings, yet no collisions. That seems odd to me.
It is odd. Violating Class B, C or D airspace is extremely serious, simply must stop. Tim
As if the people that fly in restriicted airspace will have remote I.D. That's like telling a robber he can't carry a gun!
Actually, no. Per the ruling, remote ID will be built into the drone's system, with no way to turn it off. Which is more or less the entire point. Tim
Flight controllers and the ability to flash open source firmware like inav or ardupilot make me think that's not true. Pretty sure it will always be possible, and not even very hard (it isn't hard now), to build a drone without RID.
@@lienmeat Eagletree Vector sets just jumped in value!
@@lienmeat No argument.
I love planes ! But all this puts it out of reach for me . I switched cars and trucks . Now some agency will regulate it also .
Good luck! Tim
Me too! Been flying 20 years and had some really close calls but no disasters other than broken up planes. I'm now out of it for good!
Sorry forgot to thank you for a great clip. My belief is that 95 + % of the drones violating the airspace are flying GPS (Maverick) style drones, and the problem is that they are not the in it as a hobby, just an occasional flyer. This is why they are not informed of these issues they do not follow any of this. Please I am not talking about all DJI fliers at all, just the ones that do not follow the hobby. A new idea how to reach these folks might be very helpful. Happy Flying to all.
Thanks for this information!
Hi, Thank you. I'm a recreational UAS pilot.
I can only guess how scary it might be to see a drone as you are on final in any manned aircraft. I have read accounts about rogue drones in controlled airspace that could possibly crash into an aircraft and cause a major incident or loss of life.
I have no problem accepting I have an unmanned aircraft and the FAA is in charge of risk management of the national airspace.
I fly in several controlled areas, and always get LAANC approval before I fly. I also fly in uncontrolled airspace.
I have registered my drone, and have a TRUST certificate. I am also a student studying for my pt 107. I fly a DJI AIR 2 (not RID certified). So, I'll need this broadcast module.
My big concern as a woman is that the Cell Phone Apps can pinpoint the drone and the pilot location... I have never been harassed, because no one knows my location, though they might see my drone at less than 400ft AGL.
If you understand our nation has become filled with people who self appoint as cop, judge and jury who look for anything they can interfere with - you know school boards teachers curriculums, etc.
I have concerns that someone may approach to harass, or rob my craft/equipment, when any cell phone has ability to see the RID signal and locate the pilot and drone. I see RID as not safe for pilots in this manner.
Thank you.
Dawn: Very good points. I'd offer to wait a bit and see how things actually work out after Sept 16. Tim
I do hope many FRIA's get approval. Remote ID is so impractical. Thankfully in UK up to now all we have to do is pay £9 and stick an extremely long number on the model. Hope it doesn't affect you to much.
Mark: Thanks for checking in, remote ID is a work in progress. 😊 Tim
RID is coming to the UK Mark and might be fast tracked to next year, but currently 2025
@@sUASNews Thanks!
@@sUASNews Thanks for the heads up. i did say up to now knowing the threat. Will keep objecting where possible. Bruce Simpson in New Zealand is a good ally. He a very clever man defending the hobby
Thank you for presenting helpful information in a rational, level-headed discussion.
Those in the tin-foil hats blabbering their conspiracy theories are a threat to this hobby.
GR: Appreciate it. There are some truly crazy pilots out there, sad to say. I’ve had to delete or block way too many folks. Tim
What the FAA doing something before it has to be done, you forget the are a federal agency and get paid to take coffee breaks not work. All kidding aside, the module sounds cheaper overall, the cost of joining the AMA and the club is just to expensive for some people, i have 9 RC helicopters ( micro up to a 600) which i have not flown, i have started making rubber powered planes again since this all started.
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My airplane stuff is put away . I'm not driving a half hour and buying a module to fly . I can run my 10th scale monster truck around the neighborhood . I've always liked FF planes also .
@@randall4411 😊👍🏻 Tim
The true purpose of remote ID is to eliminate recreational RC drone and model airplanes so that big corporations commercial drone service. At this point it is impossible to comply by September. I've got a number of model airplanes and a camera drone. I can't afford to spend $200 a module to equip all my planes. And the weight will severely affect their flight ability.
CC: I still think we should wait a bit before getting too wound up on remote ID. The technology exists with the 100+ manufacturers with approved remote ID systems. We just need someone to make a more affordable version. I think we'll get there. Tim
The FAA is not authorizing FRIA's due to the strict guidelines on CBO and Educational institutions. They say no one is an educational institution unless they're sanctioned by the Federal Government. They are intentionally making it hard. Non-Compliance with REMOTE ID is already all over the internet. As pilot bill of rights and under 107 and section 91, any pilot can avoid any regulation in an effort to avoid an emergency as per Drone U.
This is not true. On www.FAA.gov, the FAA lists the four approved CBOs for FRIA applications. The delay has been due to an environmental review. That being said, the FAA should be doing a MUCH better job on communicating this. Keep in mind, there will be thousands of drones pilots complying with remote ID come Sept 16, i.e. those who purchased a drone after Dec 16, 2022. RID built in the factory, whether the drone pilots are even aware of this is a separate discussion.
I have no idea what you are talking about regarding "avoiding any regulation". Best I can guess . . . any pilot who declares an inflight emergency can deviate from any FAA regulation as needed. Catch is you have to explain this when back on the ground, like why you declared emergency fuel, etc. And as drones are by definition unmanned, this approach cannot be used. Tim
@@TimMcKay56 It is very true as I applied for a FRIA. You should be careful declaring something untrue. It is multifaceted. NEPA requirement. Ok... haven't heard that anywhere at FAA... That said I AGREE with you re: communication. Also yes, you absolutely can deviate from any regulation, you'll be explaining it to probably no one... as there are less than 14 leap agents in the whole country. This approach can be used as well, it is explain in 14 CFR 91 and 14 CFR 107. Thank you. Also, you only have to report the deviation if requested by the FAA within 10 days. Under the pilot bill of rights, you can say nothing. Unmanned or Not, the FAA deemed drones and rc airplanes as Aircraft. They can reap what they sow. Paul (10 year owner of Drone School.)
@@ridemedia767 All good! Tim
I think people are being compensated or indulged to fly in restricted airspace to reinforce the necessity of regulations in the public eye.
IMO, They sold the class G airspace to corporate delivery entities.
They will soon be delivering people by multi-rotors and personal aircraft.
They don't want Johnny and his Walmart toy flying around.
Time will tell! Tim
Without spending any money at a FRIA = $100ish annually for AMA membership + $100ish annually for your Club membership (+ membership at any neighboring clubs you wish to fly at😢)
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They want to regulate the kids playing in the backyard. Recreational drones rarely cross the tree line.
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Lasers have been a frequent safety issue for pilots for years....when are they going to require remote ID's to accompany those purchases?...government over reach is getting ridiculous. (good job on the video tho- informative)
Lasers are a huge problem.
Faa and remote id will literally stop a kid from going into a hobby store buy a plane and take it to a open field/ park on saturday with dad ! /mom pretty sad
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*looks around for Ruddy*
Of course! 😊👍🏻 Tim
My guess is that the FAA will NOT slip the Remote ID compliance date. Why NOT? Affordability is subjective. To many, $ 200 is affordable especially since the device can be moved from one craft to another. Sure, a $ 50 device would be nice, but that isn't likely to happen. Especially since prices on everything has went up in the last 2 years.
We'll just have to see . . . Tim
Dronetag BS was on preorder for $50. Now supposedly $90. Without antenna and power supply though.
not under part 107. one module for each craft. so at $200 per module with 5 crafts is $1000. that's some real money.
@@skesseks So, if you are Part 107, then that is not recreational even if you are flying just for fun. What if you are flying a sub-250 gram drone just for fun? Can you not use the Recreational Exemption???
It is not in the interest of tha FAA to approve a FRIA site.
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Just thinking as a taxpayer, if they care so much about compliance and deadlines, we pay enough taxes for me to be comfortable saying they should have a program that reimburses the financial burden to compliance.
Actually, no. Washington is so anti-tax any new program needs to charge fees to support. This why we need to pay $5 every three years for drone registration. Tim
@@TimMcKay56 I guess I didn't mean pay more taxes, just fit it into the bill 😂 I get what you're saying though, just random thinking out loud on my part
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I've talked to you before about manufacturer compliance with Remote ID and the lack thereof. It's not September 16 2023 that manufacturers need to be in compliance, that date is for drone users to fly Remote ID capable drones outside of a FRIA. September 16, 2022 is the date that all drones manufactured need to be manufactured with Remote ID built in, with certain companies exempt until December 2022. DJI complied on certain model drones in September 2022 and was approved by the FAA at that time. As in my original question, where are the RC aircraft being sold 9 months after the September 2022 date of manufacture compliance for built in Remote ID? Nowhere is the answer. Not a single RC airplane from Hobbyking, Tower Hobbies, or Horizon Hobby being sold today have Remote ID built in.
Kevin: Good point, we'll have to see how the "non-drone manufacturers" figure in after Sept 16, 2023. Still a ton of loose ends. Tim
We just had our FRIA denied.
Jason: Good Lord, thanks for this important update. Tim 😳🙀😟
The AMA should have worked with the drone pilots to try to resolve some of these issues when it went to congress. This is the same cold cold shoulder you get if you try to join a club to fly. They seem to want you to join, pay, and not fly. Not having the FRIAs is there fault. I do not know why they are acting like that, but when the older generation gets out of the hobby the membership will shrink, and the AMA is in trouble. At one point I considered joining the AMA. I will not now and a lot of drone pilots either will not join or will get out. If the AMA worked with us I would have joined just for the support. I fly FPV, and most of the people I know are very very responsible, and they would have joined as well. This is besides the fact I would have never flown on their fields anyway. That would have been a win win for them. Better start looking at the future.
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Volume levels need to come up on the videos. They can’t be heard without turning them up, as compared to other videos on RUclips
Will do! Tim
Tim, I don't find your videos lower volume than average. You can of course conduct your own test.
@@RichardTapp1 Appreciate this feedback! Tim
Additionally to the aggravation of RID comes bureaucracy. God have mercy of US airmodelers, especially fixed-wing ones who should not be regulated ar all!!!
EK: If you want to see FAA paperwork, try flying as a pilot for a US airline. 😁 Tim
@@TimMcKay56 Agreed! But what a waste of resources for a hobby that was absolutely safe for decades.
Anyone who's ever been in an airplane and looked down knows how abjectly absurd RemoteID and safety argument , and it's the commons ense argument people should be arguing.
FPV quads and RC planes fly around tree top level under the eight of a cell tower. If you're an airplane or helicopter, you have no business being down that low unless you are taking off, landing, hot dogging (a valid argument), fire fighting or emergency rescue,or crop dusting. The last three are assumed to be 100% comfortable with danger and risk by nature of what they are doing and their elevated pilot skills.
Since RC pilots don't fly near airports unless invited or it's a private airport specically open to RC, there is like zero chance of collision because these things occupy completely different air spaces.
Good to know!
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Drone \ rc model registration was the thin end of the edge. That came in just over 3 years ago in the UK as the CAA followed the FAA. No doubt, Remote ID will be forced on us in the UK as well. Im already selling up my RC helis and building an OO gauge railway in my garage. The restrictions and red tape being forced on modellers is ludicrous and more people will either fly illegally until caught or, leave the hobby altogether.
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Sorry to hear of this.
As an rc helicopter pilot, this is an intrusion of immense magnitude into our individual liberties. Firstly, rc recreational flying has been proven safe through decades. Secondly, unmanned airspace (ie: below 400’ agl) belongs to we the people, not corporations. Thirdly, as anyone who has flown an rc airplane or helicopter knows, you must fly line of sight. If you take your eyes off of your aircraft for more than a few seconds, you will crash. These restrictions should have been limited to “drones”. The government is simply banning our hobby because it is an annoyance to them. And the AMA simply has zero lobbying power.
Remote ID is here to stay. See my video on this, out later today. Tim
All class G air space should be classified as a FRIA. Just like manned aircraft.
That will not work, as this would cover 95% of all flying, assuming we are below 400 feet altitude. Remember, remote ID is to track where the drone has been and its take off location. Not air traffic deconfliction. Tim
Below 400’ agl has been reserved for the general publics use since the inception of the FAA. It is UNMANNED airspace! It is OUR airspace! I truly believe these restrictions are not for safety, but are paving the way for commercial, RID compliant, FAA approved, delivery drones that they think we want and need.
What Drone Pilots either Part 107 or Recreational wants to fly in a FRIA????
Drone pilots want to get out and explore the world and shoot arial video and photography.
Who wants to go to a DESIGNATED AREA to fly their Drone??? Especially when we already have areas the FAA say we can legally fly, either as a 107 pilot or a recreational pilot.
I’m not a fan of Remote ID but I say it you can’t beat ‘em and actually want to fly your drone where YOU want to fly it legally… then get a drone with remote ID or retrofit your current drone with an ID module and go out and enjoy flying your drone. To me it makes more sense than flying in a FRIA.
Hey, I fully agree! Drone and fixed wing RC are two quite different tribes. I fly fixed wing. Happy to see my model flying around in circles, maybe even land somewhere on the runway. Same field every time. Drone bubbas like to explore, take their cameras to new and exciting places. As FRIAs do not cost a cent to implement, and serve a HUGE need for fixed wing flyers (essentially a very small restricted area, which the FAA is familiar with), why not? Tim
Guys wake up they are slowly taking away are hobby ive been flying helis , planes, 20 years now i also fly fpv drones scratch built not others and this is getting out of control i personally will not comply with remote id and i recommend anyone who wants to keep this hobby going do the same
RID is really not that big a deal once they get affordable RID modules on the market. Tim
@@TimMcKay56 its not about the cost they will give your personal info and location to anyone with the app you will have Karen’s showing up at the park and harassing you and calling the police on you for no reason this will be a massive problem
@@timmytfpv7316 Well, this is all a hypothetical discussion. With a 2 km transmit range, not really sure how many folks will use that to track down drone users. We'll see . . .
@@gordonmckay4523 they will the pilots standing spot they will know right where your at kinda scary and not right
@@gordonmckay4523 it's more than two miles when all this information will be relayed to cell networks from a grid of passive wifi receivers (in cities at least).
AMA has been toothless in this since 2014 when the FAA interference in our hobby was initiated. Resent having to blindly pay this ransom money every year just to fly a homemade foam airplane under a 1/2 pound. Stupid as the sun rises, stupid as the sun sets, not getting around the highway robbery.
Remote ID is here to stay. More on this in future videos. Catch the wave or be crushed. 😊✈️ Tim
@@TimMcKay56 There was nothing but a feeble milquetoast response - the FAA is akin to the ATF - overstepping their boundaries and crushing quality of life. AMA has been an absolute joke. I'm not rolling over - there will be a day when playing field will be leveled.
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@@TimMcKay56 PS I am also a private pilot, been away from it for a while, though. 👍
I really really wish that you professional pilots would stop shilling for the FAA and their overstep and violation of individual people's privacy.
Remote ID is is the first step in removing drone hobbyists from consideration.
The FAA wants the drone hobby to be so expensive that only the super affluent can do it just like they do with fixed-wing.
And it all started with registering drones.
It actually started with the hundreds of Class B, C and D airspace violations by drones. 32 violations in the first week of Oct 2022. Do Google "FAA UAS Sightings" to see the quarterly reports. Few things will get the FAA's attention quicker than and airspace violation. Tim
@@TimMcKay56 supposed sightings. I have looked into the uas sightings. There was no accompanying evidence that any of them are true. Both primary and secondary radar showed nothing at the time of sighting.
And considering primary radar can see a sparrow in a pass, that leaves now questions then answers.
Making registration, and remote ID laws is for Congress to do. Not unelected bureaucrats to decide.
@@vampyflys Well, as a former B-777F pilot who has seen one of these quadcopters in controlled airspace, I am not sure all sighting reports are made up. And there is no way ATC radar can pick these suckers up, as a) the airspace (radar scope) is incredibly crowed and b) ATC radar relies on transponders anyhow. Do read the 2018 FAA Reauthorizastion Act (Act of law by Congress). The need for remote ID is spelled out in great detail, FAA just following orders. Tim
@@gordonmckay4523 every radar station that uses secondary radar which is used with transponders also has a primary radar in case the secondary stops working. It's called redundantsy. I've worked at several radar facilities. Trust me. If a UAV was there, the primary radar would see it.
Yikes.
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WOW .... seriously ? it's called government over-reach and this IS the beginning of the end for the individual rc model flight . Enjoy the Kool-Aid !!!
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Tim my man , I only think these remote id devices should go to those drones and not to foamy RC airplanes, too much government overreach controlling our Hobby and just taking the fun out of life, what say you fellow pilot?
WB: I take your point. But recall, everything was fine with RC model airplane flight from around 1950 to 2010 or so. This is when the electric quadcopters, with good cameras, started flying around. The RC pilots by and large did two things that kept up out of trouble with the FAA: We kept sight of our models 100% of the time (essentially see and avoid for other traffic) and we did not violate Class B, C or D airspace. It is the airspace violations (plus overflight of stadiums, public events, etc.) that forced action on remote ID by Congress to the FAA. So, things are where they are. Remote ID technology will mature and, I think, more or less fade into the background of our day to day flying. Tim
@@TimMcKay56 Yeup, I hear tell, that they are clearing the sky from us hobby chumps so that the delivery drones can clog the skys forcing us to comply. Hey their profit over our freedom wins out all the time. Got paper air plane? Oh well gotta find another hobby, richy rich wins again.
@@TimMcKay56 stop painting the quad as the bad guy. you are say that there has NEVER been a problem with the fixed wing flyers? then why did the AMA even form? clearly there was a reason, probably to educate pilots and people so things could be safe.
please give the multi-rotor community the same consideration. or is your stance " i've got mine, you don't get yours"?
This is nonsense Tim. The number of airspace violations by quadcopter pilots is very small now and they’re committed primarily by out of the box camera drones. Imo the existing regulations were sufficient but at the very least DIY “drones” should be exempted from the RemoteID requirement, as they are in Europe. Of course that’s too common sense for American regulators. But then again, this was never about safety. This entire thing is about forcing hobbyists out of the air so private interests can use the public airspace unfettered. All one has to do is look who was involved in the rule making for remote id.
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All the companies that continue to make models will have to up the price of there products because of the oproval test. And I bet even pnp and rtf planes and helis will have the same imposed on it. Given the rc model industry is already too expensive for most people. So over the next 5 years the rc model industry will die completely this is the end to the hobby. Your average eflight will cost hundreds of dollars more RIP rc hobby
I hope not!! 🤔🫢🙀🙈 Tim
Give up Tim, this hobby is on it's way out. Surely you've noticed. You, like a lot of us have been involved for years - your surrounded by trees so you can't see that you'r in a vast forest. Very few people, especially youths, are going to devote this sort of time and money unless close relatives are involved. There are few building skills involved these days so youths will just buy a under 250 gm RTF and like any other 'toy' they will move on to something else.
Debbie Downer!! I've been flying RC since my Goldberg RC Range 42 foamie in 1972. This is the best it has ever been in terms of prices, variety of models and the brushless electric motor/lipo revolution. Could not be any happier with where we are. Tim
@@TimMcKay56 Good heavens - by your own admission you have just confirmed my contention, you are, like me, doing something you have been doing for decades, no wonder we are trying to preserve decades old habits and interests - but try to imagine that you are 15 again and without an uncle 'Tim' to help, all the things you are duscussing here to preserve your hobby are making it unattractive.
@@ericwillis777 Think positive!
@@TimMcKay56 A pessimist is someone who has spent a lot of time with optimists !