My bestfriend was schizophrenic and the amount of people who said the voices she was hearing was a spiritual thing was insane. These voices said horrific things to her to the extent she ended up taking her life. People dont understand that kinda shit is NOT helpful. Telling someone who needs help that they shouldn't get on meds because it will "dull their spiritual gift" is absolutely not acceptable to be blunt. Sorry had to rant a bit.
I was told the same thing when I was in active addiction, it messed me up for a long time. People don't realize how dangerous it can be to say stuff like that. They never stop to think who they're saying it to. I'm so sorry about your friend. She deserved better, at least she had a caring friend like you.
I live in a very religious country in Central America and am a therapist. Every couple of years, there's a mass possession of grade school children that even teachers get involved in. This always seems to happen in remote villages and it's demons. They cancel school for a couple of weeks. Priests and Nuns come and do exorcisms. They blame it on emo and spells. Nobody listens to counselors. Then it suddenly goes away. A few years ago by (I guess the demons 😈 are visiting other countries) and it starts all over again. I can live my life by FB memories.
“I married Persephone” dude the last person who tried to steal Persephone from Hades got tortured in the underworld for eternity I don’t think you want to flex that
You can't steal someone from another person. No one belongs to anyone to begin with. Persephone knows that and is the true queen here. Leave if someone's trying to own you.
One of them lost his buttcheeks and the other is still down there. Apparently, the hero Heracles tried to save him, but the Underworld started violently shaking and Heracles was like: “Yeah no, fuck this I’m out.”
@@chrissyscholl816 Did you just crawl out from under a boulder? People say “stealing someone” as another way to convey someone’s trying to be a home-wrecker to a relationship. It just means you’re shoving yourself in between them and ruining their relationship. Like, it’s not that deep, it doesn’t mean you literally own someone. Just like spilling the beans doesn’t mean you’re literally spilling beans
21:58 It also targets people with OCD pretty intensely. "DON'T SCROLL OR YOU'LL NEVER FIND LOVE AGAIN!" OCD is fueled by intrusive thoughts telling you something is or isn't going to happen if you don't do XYZ- It's incredibly predatory to people with OCD, because their anxiety encourages them to do what you say, lest something terrible happen to them or someone they love. I always hated those old chain emails too, because they have a similar structure: "Send this to five friends, or this demon will appear at the foot of your bed tonight and kill you." It's incredibly manipulative and annoying, and not to mention makes me afraid for my life for no reason.
nah fr tho- i have to scroll the second i see anything remotely along those lines because if i look at one too many it'll become a compulsion to do all of them 😭
ANY god or goddess is someone you should not want to marry. I'm sorry but none of them (unless possibly some very minor ones in pantheons such as greek) are good "people". Most of them have SAed someone, k! lled someone, m@ssacred entire groups of people. It be crazy.
@@HanFace89 Strange Aeons has a really good video on it if you’re curious, but the short version is a bunch of horny middle aged women were so into Alan Rickman as Snape in the Harry Potter movies that they convinced themselves he was real in the astral plane and married to multiple of them. And before you ask, yes, several of them ‘consummated’ these marriages. You’re welcome for the mental scarring 🥲
@@maramelodies6385sometimes I think I’m on the edge of needing a straight jacket, and then I hear stories like this and realise that I’m ok, actually 🙏🏼 thanks for the video recommendation, I’ll definitely watch that. Side note - can you see my comment you replied to? For me it’s gone, and I keep thinking YT are deleting my comments but obviously not if you can see it
ppl like this is why so many stay "in the broom closet" 😂 like I just really love nature and connect with it, I'm not married to a god or cursing ppl or doing non consensual love spells 😂😂
I agree with you guys oh my gods I CRINGED at the Persephone video could you imagine what the people who work with Hades and Persephone heard after that video... Oh geez I would not want to be in their shoes
I agree, I'm not that into witchcraft due to lack of motivation but yeah I've also had friends who do witchcraft and they also for sure would not claim these goofs either
I’ve literally seen a spiritual TikTok that said “share this audio or your dad will die” or “they’ll finally call you tonight at 6pm, if you hit 2 buttons” and it makes me so annoyed every time. It’s so manipulative.
I started getting those kinds of videos last night! "If you scroll without clicking this video your mom/dad will die". It's especially shitty towards those with OCD (my OCD intrusive thoughts are based on fears of my family dying if I don't do whatever compulsions pop into my head). Thankfully random videos don't trigger my compulsions because it's obviously BS but it does bring those intrusive thoughts back to the surface (which is the exact reason I was mindlessly scrolling TikTok to try to avoid).
The modern version of email/facebook message chains "send to 5 people and you will win the lottery, ignore and you'll fail school!" The amount of those i got as a teen irritated me and now as an adult, those tiktoks irritate me even more
As someone who get HORRIBLE paranoia . Seeing video that go “like and save or you will die” or something like that, is absolutely horrible. There have been times where I’ve like full on sobbed because of how paranoid it makes me to the point friends and family have to calm me down and convince me I’m not gonna die 💀 like- threatening people on the internet just to get views and likes is,, kinda crazy to me
it's so messed up. because it's so cruel and torturing to people with just general anxiety, along with certain varieties of autism, panic disorders, OCD, schizotypal disorders, etc. I have trouble getting it out of my head too, even if you know realistically that it's bullshit. it's logicless and very emotionally painful. screw these people fr.
I wonder if you say you’re ‘not interested’ every time one of those videos pops up on TikTok and the algorithm will eventually realise you don’t want to see them anymore? I know those videos aren’t really tagged properly which sucks so you can’t just block that.
Hello friend, let me help. This is your protection charm: 🐑 It may look like an ordinary sheep emoji, but her name is Elijah and she's here to help. Any time you see some rando trying to say you'll get bad juju from not giving them engagement (making money!!! Off your anxiety!!) Just remember Elijah is there for you, and she can see through their bull shit. She'll absorb all that bad juju into her wool and it'll never touch you. She'll also give those shitty people nightmares! She also protects from old school chain emails, and your average superstitions! Very multifunctional!! And she's always there, giving you good juju to offset things like this. And if Elijah isn't enough, take it from someone who's always felt close to the spirits: These are always lies. The spirits are not always kind, and sometimes they are cruel. But they're not supporting anyone's tiktok channel either. These fools speak lies and greed, while the spirits pursue the balance. There is no balance to their threats. They have no power, darling, trust me, and see them for what they are; charlatans desperate for attention. The next time you worry come read this: You are safe. Your loved ones are safe. Breathe in peace, and breathe out the malice they drip into your mind. They have no power over you--you can tell by how desperately they beg for *you.* And remember. Elijah is always here for you. And anyone else who needs her
saw multiple "he loves you" tarot videos. went ahead and confessed to my crush. the way i got rudely and meanly rejected hurt my entire existence. i haven't talked to another guy for 2.5 years now 😢
This is where this video is lacking. You should confess to crushes anyway, and learn to handle rejection without internalizing it. This was not a healthy mindset for you before, during, or after seeing videos on tiktok, and it sounds like you're still not healthy now. Are you talking to someone? Why are people so vulnerable to influence from social media? Grifters use spirituality like this because it works, but it shouldn't work. The ego of the people being grifted is also unhealthy. Ego is the problem all around, not just on the side of the poster
@@NinoPega the grandma prayed to a figurine of Elrond (LotR) cause she thought it was depicting St. Anthony. The og comment is making a link to the "pop culture deities" since this happened a few years back :)
spiritual psychosis is so detrimental, a lot of the times it just sounds like wanting to disassociate. I'm so relived you don't put all witches and spiritualists into the same box.
@@rickyclark4870 i mean yea nothin against that but you realize mainstream religions all start as cults right? like my point is you vilify cults but dont seem to know what a cult actually even is.
The “claim by interacting” videos remind me a lot of the copypasta things that my friends would send me in middle school. Like the “share this message with five people in the next ten minutes or your parents will die in a car accident”
Creepy pasta , it was called chain letters when I was a kid and it would be literal notes “write amen on this or your mommas gonna break her back in 7 days etc” now it’s just digital.
When I was 16, I almost got indoctrinated into a teen megachurch, I'm not even joking. This girl who I wanted to be friends with told me we could only hang out if we went to church together. It was seriously cult-like, it's so freaky thinking about it? We went and everyone welcomed and hugged me, one girl brought a puppy with her for us all to pet, and before "worship" started they took me out and bought me ice cream while they sang Christian pop music. Then during the worship everyone just stood in this big empty room and prayed and spoke in tongues and cried and it was scary but I also DEFINITELY felt the whole "community/camraderie" thing that I was craving because I didn't have a ton of friends and BOYOHBOY that ish was crazy. Long story short, she went on a mission trip to Africa and met her husband, a fellow missionary, and they post eerie pictures of them and how they're "saving" all these African children... and now I'm trans. So.
Sounds like pentecostal. They're the speaking in tongues church. My mom joined a congregation when I was a teen and I came home one day to find a bunch of people from the church in the backyard burning my mom's old music records (lot of 1960s/70s stuff she had since she a kid) and talking in tongues while crying and rolling on the ground. I noped on out of there and stayed with a friend for awhile. Now my mom's into qanon but I'm an adult now so I just don't bring it up to her when I see her.
ayeee trans rights. queer ex-mormon here; all recruiting techniques & tactics are all the same. just rebranded depending on where the grifter goes. being "nice" doesn't mean shit. sorry you were love bombed like that & glad you are out.
THIS!! Love spells need consent ffs. I've been practicing for years and from what I've learned, if you really want to do a love spell, you need to make CLEAR that it is not being directed at a specific person. Instead, you are merely calling love into your life in hopes of receiving a romantic partner(s)
It's a weird thing where the internet is being super loud about consent and what it is and when it applies and yet also forgets it exists every bloody time.
@@Broomcloset42 this! I've been practicing for 20+ years and I was taught that this was the best way to do a love spell your not taking anyone's freedom and will power away by doing this your just going hey universe I'm ready and open to finding love and seeing if there's anyone out there who matches you.
I went through psychosis, I genuinely believed I could speak with spirits. Seeing people saying it's ableist to call them out is really upsetting. My first therapist prolonged my psychosis by saying I was," probably just more connected to the spirit worlds." Had she just told me the truth, that those feelings were due to mental illness, I would have healed much quicker. I worry that the tiktok echo chambers are putting people into psychosis and keeping them there. Like it is funny how human brains can rationalize anything, but it is also terrifying.
Is your experience indicative of all of humanity? Are you in a psychosis if you have visions, or only if you hear voices? And if you hear voices in a vision? How is that different from hearing the voice of dream speak directly to you in dream, which happens often in lucid dreaming? Does is make a difference if the voices are inside or outside, or if they are inspiring art, are lines of poetry for example, or lines of a song, complete with music I might add. You would not think that a gift, or do you think those things are also indicative of psychosis? I do not like idioms all that much, but you have heard that we often throw out the baby with the bathwater no doubt. Things are not cut and dried inn this world, never really all this and not at any of that, and to be worried and upset because you think people are being led down the wrong path, that's a little entryway into what it is in you you're upset about and worried over, which might have to do with simply believing you were in a psychosis because you believed in the supernatural in a way that put you front and center. Maybe there is such a thing as the spiritual path, and, as the consciousness opens, if you really are learning spirituality and not have just adopted a set of beliefs and practices, things like voice and vision open, and stranger things, such as the Silence, but you have to be very careful not get fooled into thinking you are such and such, and you don't try and broadcast that for many years, because your goal is not hearing voices and having visions and showing this off to people. Your goal is something language cannot define but has to do with becoming who we truly are behind and above the play of this world, and that is not an aggrandized ego.
@@Saurdeloth My name is Donny. Bud is some way you use to show your irritation. I've affected you. I have proved no point, either that what I say is true or that I have a psychosis, and that is quite an diagnosis to make of someone by a single comment, even if you were a mental health professional, and I suspect you are not. But you do have ill will and want to insult, and I will predict you only give more with my reply to you, if you reply at all. I'm not really real to you, and my presence, and my eyes, are far from this e-communication, and you are simply exhibiting the behavior of the herd here by your trashing someone whom you disagree with. In the comment, I said nothing about myself, but let me now. I live in India a spiritual aspirant and have for 20 years. I was born in Texas and raised both on a farm in East Texas and the suburbs of Houston. My nightly dreams were a big part of my life, something my 'red neck' mom talked about with my sister a lot, the dreams we had the night before. A few times in my childhood I found myself in a place I could not fathom, somewhere in the house late at night, but my body lie sleeping. I also awoke in dream, but back then no one talked about lucid dreaming, and so I didn't know what to call it. When I was 12, I found myself out of my body and at my best friend's front door. It was a sunny Saturday morning. I watched as Johnny came out of his house and began to walk in the direction of mine. I tried everything I could to get him to notice me, but he could not. I say everything he did, and he was whistling a tune. I saw him come up to my door and ring the doorbell. I awoke at that instant and ran to the door, and it was Johnny, and when I told him everything he had just done, even the tune, he gave a reaction of fear and surprise a little boy can't fake, and he confirmed what I told him. Of course it was not done in a lab by the scientific method, but I believe my own personal experience. Do I also tell you about when I was in college and I had a dream I was inside my grandfather's body, and I could think my own thoughts and feel my own feelings, and also his? Looking out his eyes and feeling his body, I could see he was building a fence, and he was very thirsty. Then the whole left side of his exploded in the pain, the pain of death, and I knew that because in inner exploration in lucid dream a year before, I'd been stabbed in the heart and had a classic N.D.E., but not to a heaven, to my own living room, where I met our dead cat. I was an atheist but one not just accepting a belief. I had the ability to explore inside, and I was. Anyway, as my grandfather died, a bright white light came into him, the same light I saw when I died in dream a year earlier, but mine was yellow, and the terror he felt at that moment just vanished, and he wanted to go into that light, and I wanted to go too, but I was prevented, and I awoke in bed. Two weeks later my grandfather died of a heart attack while building a fence, in the place I saw him die out of his own eyes, and he had kept going to the house nearby for water because he was so thirsty. I call that inner body time travel, and it's not by contraptions that we will learn time travel, but by opening up the consciousness. But wait, there's more. You'll also get these sets of pairing knifes. Sorry, too much TV in the '70s. I became a Classical Greek scholar in university and scored in the top 10% of the nation in translating Greek, but after seven and half years of college, I left school and the normal life, and that was in 1992, but I really got into inner exploration while in college, and I wanted to see how far we go inside and if our consciousness is somehow connected or a part of that of others. Uh, have you done anything like that? Do you even remember any of your nightly dreams? Can you interpret them? I was doing grad work in the history of science, which I ditched when, wanting to know if the ancient Greek Ionian philosophers used unembodied beings to help them, I conjured a demon, and it went out and showed itself to at least one other person, who then took a shotgun and went crazy, and the SWAT team was called out. I had been casually talking to him about Carlos Castaneda at the high rise condo where we both worked. After he got out of jail, he called me wanting to be my student, as he had also seen the thing, at the time I called it up, and I told him to see a shrink, I mean, if he were going to go crazy a get a shotgun like that, and that I had too much to assimilate by what I had done. I then stopped the pursuit of knowledge and started spiritually seeking. It was spiritual experiences that bade me leave normal life. There really is the state of enlightenment, but I am not enlightened, and I know that because I have experienced the state momentarily, and so I know I'm not there now. I didn't tell you that I was in the last active duty cavalry troop in the US army, as a muleskinner, or that I was on a runaway wagon on the streets of D.C. just a couple hours before the Inauguration of Reagan in '80, and then I passed and reviewed in front of him with a 4570 black powder rifle, or that I became a Green Beret and parachuted into Germany in '83 with my A team and a tactical nuke, not knowing if it were real world or not. We were kept in isolation for three weeks in England before the mission. When we hit the ground we checked; the bomb had no plutonium. Then we walked 100 clicks through the Black Forest to pretend to plant the bomb, afterwards got put into the Net, the NATO underground made up of all former German soldiers who were then old men, some exWaffen SS, and it was from the Wallfen SS, the commandos, not the concentration camp SS, that many of the first Green Berets came from. A little military history for you. The Brits and other Allies got some too. It wasn't just rocket scientists they were scarfing up. All that helped me to be a vagabond, penniless pilgrim for over 10 years, sleeping outside as well as in, living with the poor and the rich, traveling in 27 countries and four continents, working my way by whatever job i could get, even sweeping streets, which I did in Israel, and no, I'm not Jewish, why I was sweeping streets. Of course I would end up in India. Anyway, I spend a lot of my day in vision, and I write poems and songs from there and do photography and make videos, and you can check out what you like, but I bet you don't have such a story to tell, do you? I can call you kid, but that would like you, and I am not insecure.
@DonnyLeeDuke there is very much a difference, and I won't rule out spirituality as a possibility, but humans are and never will be connected to it. And there is a difference in a dream and hallucinations. The fact you feel entitled to tell me that my experience is invalid is absolutely insane.
17:27 why was I expecting him to say 'you're more prettier than Aphrodite' My heart stopped for a moment and I can not described the relief I felt when he said Persephone
@@Lezdethka-np2bq they say that if you are called prettier than aphrodite, you will be cursed by her since she will grow jealous. basically, when people say it (and they know what it means) they have ill intentions.
@@LadyVandMrTidk if you're pagan or not, but for the rest of the class, there isn't really a group called the "pagan gods" as paganism comes in many flavors and pagans worship many different deities from many different cultures and time periods. Personally, I worship Aphrodite, and I have my own reasons (UPG) for why I do, but the way I see it is she's multifaceted just like we are
@@EClaire.1073 Aphrodite can be self obsessed too lol "Pagan" means "religions that are not JudeoChristian" in formal literature, that's how I use it here. Aphrodite is a Pagan god, and like most Pagan gods, is a little full of herself haha Pagan gods are really just like advanced people. To be fair, I think most Christians are accidentally worshipping Pagan gods too, like Baptists who worship aspects of Loki unknowingly (retribution, punishment, shame), etc. I think the Old Testament was written by Marduk. All deity comes down through the planes of existence by the usual concealment mechanisms, the collapsing symmetries we see birth the laws of physics. Deities are kind of narcissistic because that's just a consequence of being great and influential, and they often need us, need worshippers, to pray, to interact with them, and to help them see what really matters in life. They're detached from mundane life more than we are, and we all have to work together to build a happy world.
The most evil thing is them romanticizing toxicity saying “it won’t last long” and young vulnerable people falling for it and putting up with the worst.
I 10000% agree as someone who went threw that with their first relationship I would never tell someone it “won’t last long” I gave my ex 2yrs of toxicity
21:58 as someone with OCD with delusional tendencies, these types of audios/videos are genuinely so harmful. While they may be lighthearted in intent, they can be extremely harmful. I had to remove myself, a pagan, from witchtok and the adjacent groups because the videos and audios like that would trigger such severe panic attacks. One specific audio was, “like, comment, and share, or else someone will break into your home tonight.” I have obsessive thoughts surrounding home intrusions. Logically I know this isn’t going to happen, but when you have a disorder that runs on paranoia and irrational fear, logic doesn’t apply. I ended up having to admit myself to a hospital the next day because it put me into a severe OCD spiral which ended up triggering some of my most self destructive OC cycles, and led to delusional thinking and paranoia to the point of needing an antipsychotic treatment to bring my mind out of it.
I think the tiktok videos doing this are stupid too, but this is majorly a you problem that you should care more about solving for yourself than you do criticizing typical people. I hope you can find some peace
There was a woman at my grandpa's funeral who started "speaking in tongues", even when my grandmother tried to speak over her she kept going. It was disgusting honestly, that made me so incredibly angry, she was "relaying a message from god" that my grandpa's "sinful soul" would be "cleansed from all his carnal sins". He was the most faithful man to my grandmother, they were highschool sweethearts who got married in secret as soon as they turned 18, and somehow that young they were right about their love lasting for a lifetime. I swear I wanted to scream in this woman's face to just stfu. I'm a witch and I have my beliefs, I always respected my family's christian beliefs too, but that was not real. False believers are the worst, in any religion. Just using people's faiths for manipulation, attention, money, fame. It's so gross.
yo i'd be actually throwing hands with someone who did that. so insanely disrespectful and self-centered. i'd go from a mourning loved one to a bouncer in seconds. so sorry you experienced that
@@bunnyellabell Thank you. I wish I wasn't so scared of confrontation honestly. She did it again on the 1 year and 2 year anniversaries too, I swear just with that she's the worst person I've ever met
So, according to canon, God won't impose upon someone to speak in tongues without an interpretor present, and that person most certainly isn't going to be the person speaking in tongues. It's also not really something He'd use for a message like that, like, that sounds like some HARDCORE main character syndrome, she couldn't stand that something wasn't about her.
I am begging you to talk about the OG WitchTok drama where one group of witches tried to curse the moon, causing a schism with the witches that see the moon as the source of their magic
As someone who is inlove with greek mythology the scream i let out when skrillex garage open coke man said he was god spoused to Persephone was so visceral that my mom came rushing in and sent me to jesus himself.
As a pagan, while it is fun and i enjoy the movies and such, i think marvel irreversibly damaged how people view norse mythology. Loki being so popular as a deity is DEFINETLY because of Tom Hiddleston. Also 21:00 you were spot on about Satanism! The Satanic Temple uses Satan as a symbol rather than a deity. Often people practice other religions alongside Satanism with their own beliefs and deities.
24:16 when I was 14 I was in a (CW) abusive relationship. If I had TikTok 10 years ago I’d be looking at stuff like this. Telling young girls that they have to “tough out” a toxic dynamic is so horrible, I can’t even put it into words.
I am someone who experienced a psychotic break once in my life. I had endured far too much trauma through out my life and hit a breaking point when I lost my father, 5 years ago. It started with the most severe and crippling depression I had ever gone through, and it slowly spiraled into such an intense mental health crisis, that I started to experience Spiritual Psychosis. This lasted for a handful of months, it was horrifying, and it completely ruined my life at the time. Prior to healing and therapy, I felt so ashamed for years, confused and afraid of what my brain was capable of doing to me. If I had come across any of these manipulative and/or mentally ill people online, it would've made my condition that much worse.
Those are Demon's tell you all the negative stuff, you need to start ready the Bible and ask God for forgiveness then move on with your life, forgive your parent's.
those "this is your sign" videos are like a pit of quicksand to my OCD. there's a thing called magical thinking, where you think that certain actions/events do truly control the outcomes of other things. like, you HAVE to wish on 11:11 otherwise shit will go down badly. so those videos are hell for me because my OCD ass is so easily grabbed by them.
I have that. I'm getting evaluated for OCD soon and it's debilitating always having to say the same thing at the same time of day, recite the same words/prayer, everything has to be perfect or you have a feeling something awful will happen for some reason?? Even if you know it's not true. These people are more than obnoxious, they're disrespectful and manipulative and borderline ableist.
RIGHT, like I am new to Christianity and love the religion so far but OCD is such a balancing act when there’s tons of crazies thinking the rapture is going to happen “soon” or that things like monster energy drinks are actually satanic. Thankfully I don’t struggle as much with compulsions these days but the paranoia is so difficult.
I am someone who teaches about spirituality. I spent a very long time educating myself on ancient teachings and their connection with modern-day sciences. Which included psychology and the understanding of quantum physics. The narcissistic side of spirituality, where a person claims to know the journey of another, is highly infuriating. And I think you're absolutely correct about there being some individuals who would be well served to go through an ego death.
22:18 as an agnostic 22 year old with both anxiety and autism it is genuinely embarrassing how vulnerable i feel to the whole “this message is for you but only if you like and share to claim or else something bad will happen” thing. like obviously i know its fake on some level and just fishing for interaction yet my brain will lock on to a “what if it happens to be real” thing. its not a huge deal but yeesh it makes me feel gullible
I’m about 10 years older but same lol I remember being on MySpace when I was 12 or 13 and I would share EVERY one of those “Share or else [insert terrible thing here] will happen in [this many] days” 😂 My grandma was also Mexican Catholic, so she was insanely superstitious which didn’t help lol this long-winded comment is to say I feel you 😂
@@AspienWaifuAwe man, those chain emails back then had a grip on my young self and I always panicked because I didn't know 10 people to forward an email to so I thought I was gonna die 😅. And the silly thing is EVERYONE was doing it too. It took a while for me to finally convince myself these things aren't real and can't hurt me. That stuff has such a strong grip on us in the early 2000s.
@@AspienWaifu thank you I just left a comment and left out the part that I was 10 years older than cooper but yeah four years I fell for that kind of stuff when I was undiagnosed OCD and autistic. Myspace live journal right through Instagram. I do not have TikTok because I want to avoid any of that stuff and a bunch of other stuff on there lol it's the last hope from my mental health.😂
videos like these where you have to interact in order to prevent bad things from happening is what can drive people with OCD into a spiral. “do this random action multiple times to protect you and your loved ones” is the at the root of many ocd compulsions. videos like these and tarot card readings sent my religious ocd into overdrive a few years ago…. it’s just sick.
I agree with this…a few months ago videos like that were appearing all over my for you page and it sent me into a spiral, honestly it’s just a horrible thing to do….
Exactly-- they are phrased like compulsions 100%. It is so hard to remind yourself that this is a PERSON posting who has 0 control over your life or the fabric of the world because these videos intentionally play on OCD fears and paranoia.
This reminds me of when I was in 4th grade and the rainbow magic books were popular. A bunch of us decided to make a "fairy club," where we assigned ourselves a fairy from the series and they "followed us around." We would play imagination games on the playground and it was fun. But it was also a bunch of 8 year olds, not adults on TikTok.
Yeah, I have a bad death phobia and these really hit me hard when I was about 17. Like, couldn't leave my house for a month, cried every single night, it was Hell
Pagans are usually pretty against prosthelytizing, so tiktoks like these tend to really turn me off. Especially when it has to do with monetary or celebrity gain. Really not what the whole spirituality is about. Thank you for covering this, Cooper. ♡ love your videos!
I know its so frustrating because tis a complete misrepresentation of what paganism actually is, like we are already hated on enough by a load of people and now we have these absolute clowns 'representing' us 💀
Yeah, didnt twitter try to cancel that one dude for playing Ramsay in a movie, but they thought he was white but he was actually egyptian? (Thats what i thought of when Cooper made his statement)
Idk, he said it would feel a little weird...it would. Like I would totally be wrong but it would still feel weird at first, especially if most practitioners look a certain way.
My mom’s psychosis lead her to passing away and after she passed I picked up one of her spiritual books and the page I flipped to was basically encouraging cutting off your family if they tell you you’re mentally unwell and it was really really sad to read. Fuck everyone who feeds into spiritual psychosis.
Fuck people who are so closed to other's realities that their loved ones feel the need to cut them off. You can't help someone by rejecting their reality. Best therapist I ever had taught me that
@@LadyVandMrT it’s called being mentally ill, she wasn’t closed to our reality she was sick and the predator authors who write spiritual books gave her the horrible advice.
As someone who was raised in the same type of Christianity and is now a witch, it is so refreshing to have someone point out that Christians are not immune to spiritual psychosis. I was raised in the Bible Belt in a rural town. I went to church camp and Vacation Bible School every summer and for the rest of the year, we went every Wednesday night and twice on Sundays. While I do have some very fond memories of that time, the amount of manipulation and spiritual psychosis that I experienced is insane. After all, it's not a good service until someone has spoken in tongues, someone else has translated it, someone has fallen out in the spirit, and someone else has started running through the aisles. Everyone is entitled to believe what they want, just please stop attacking my faith while putting yours on a pedestal. Every faith has its con artists. Every faith has its weirdos.
I have mental conditions that make me prone to bouts of paranoia and intrusive thoughts. Let me just say being a heavily involved Christian (I floated to different denominations but was raised Southern Baptist) did not help with that, and there were many times where I was leaning towards spiritual psychosis
Obviously Christians aren't immune who ever said that? First of all "group" spiritual encounters seem absolutely performative I can't imagine being part of a church where that is encouraged I would always doubt any sort of group performance like you're talking about. That is hysteria, like how people can start acting weird or violent in a crowd in a music concert, it's like the Stanford Prison Experiment except instead people pretend to speak in tongues or walk over people and crush them at a concert when they're usually not violent in day to day life. Christians are actually some of the most well known cases of spiritual psychosis which is why the Vatican discourages people from talking to ghosts by assuming they're all malevolent demons and even then they almost never do an exorcism.
Ive been having really bad OCD episodes lately and these have been a source of a lot of them. I’ve deleted TikTok for now because I couldn’t help but share them and do what they said so now they are all over my fyp. But when they come up, I know they are fake, I know they don’t work, but when they say “you will have the worst day of your life tomorrow” that thought will eat me alive if I don’t do what they say. I can’t sleep, I can’t focus. These are not ok and so victimizing, I’ve been able to avoid them for so long but it only takes 1 like.
I have OCD symptoms (not diagnosed yet) and I’m also very religious. It is very hard for me to discern if I’m having intuition warnings or intrusive thoughts
one thing I picked up from listening to a ~woo~ podcast was that guidance won’t come from a place of fear. she’s not necessarily an authority and I don’t claim to know what I’m doing lol, but it sits right with me and settles me and helps me discern what is me going AhHhHHh and what is more of a ‘knowing’, yknow? Best wishes to you both ✨
I can totally relate. What I do is go to the comments and like one that says “not claiming” then select not interested on the video to satisfy my ocd 😭
These kinds of people have unfortunately always been around on the internet. I remember being a lonely kid using my visa gift cards for spells and readings online that promised to help find friends and romance.. they go after people who are young and/or heartbroken and desperate
Actually they do it by regular mail too. I have a friend who actually felt cared about by these fake psychics it was so sad, and she's older like in her 50s or something. Just evil.
im so glad someone is finally talking about the "use sound to claim" type of videos, i remember seeing them last year and they made me so anxious considering i have anxeity and they were saying that if i dont use this sound my whole family will die tomorrow 💀
Godspousing Persephone, the wedded wife and neice of Hades, daughter of Zeus, and the GODDESS OF CURSES, and "walking away from her" is the dumbest thing I have EVER heard. Full shade. In one myth, Persephone punishes the gardener who rats her out to Hades for eating the pomegranate seeds by turing him into an OWL. You aren't just gonna break up with her. Also, the Loki wives, who didn't realize Loki and Odin are likely one in the same, and NEITHER are beings you'd want to wedded to.
Seeing how there are dozens of gods and goddesses of curses, magic or tbh anything, I guess even Persephone is too busy figuring her shit out, than to actually care about some crazy people choosing a new trend to follow. Also bitch is thousands of years late. Should've updated to Persesmartphone. (Sry) Northern myths are so populated with deities, how come the belief that Loki isn't their own?
Casting Hiddleston as Loki, might actually be the ultimate Loki move. Real Norse Loki is a true terror. The actual worst. His greatest trick is convincing 21st century women that he's just a hot, witty goof who's family didn't understand him.
i read this long scientific article a while ago and don’t recall the name, but the author made the argument that actual norse Loki was possible considered more of a force of nature or a symbolic stand-in than a real person… i personally am a subscriber to “Loki was a deity of children/the future, which is why he constantly gets in trouble but people love him anyway”… making the Hiddleston thing even funnier
I think the funniest part is that marvel loki is literally combination of 2 lokis from the actual mythology and half the girl's saying they married loki God of mischief are transphobic af and loki was literally genderfluid. He was the God of being genderfluid. Anybody genderfluid was deemed by others to be blessed/cursed by him, or his child
As a person who has an intimate relationship with Loki, you are absolutely right. He is terrifying and a major asshole. Dark triad vibes lol don't fall for it. He absolutely wants people to view him less like a villain, but he is a villain, so
The issue with godspousing is that it’s sort of like being a nun. some times. It is an ancient and valid practice, but there are ofc some issues with it. The godspousing on TikTok is not the best example lmfao
Yea I feel like people on tiktok don't really understand how it works, they take it too literally/treat it like an average spouse relationship that you'd see between mortals
yeah that's what i was thinking (as a catholic) but. the guy saying he "had to walk away" from Persephone/his wife... feels very odd. how is an entire goddess being a problematic wife. his phrasing felt more like a gen x who hates his wife than someones relationship with a divine being. it doesn't feel like the way youd talk about your relationship w (a) god it's so weird to me idk. like is it not a you issue? as the mortal?
@@leoyakafudy Agreed. I feel like they're either not getting it or they're playing it up for tiktok views. And yea in either case its probably a mortal issue.
After the US assasinated the second top leader of Iran, the leaders in Iran came out and said “what American hero could we possibly kill in retaliation- SpongeBob?” and I think about that a lot.
I'm a witch, solitary practitioner. I also have a lot of experience with psychosis. I take my meds and do my tarot readings peacefully knowing that whatever happens is up to my brain's genuine interpretation, not one brought on by an illness out of my control. In terms of my practice and my knowledge of what psychosis is like for me: never the twain shall meet. People, please be careful. No one who tells you to stop scrolling to hear a reading or a message has your best interest in mind. People who are asking for your money or devotion or fear are acting like '00s chain emails with a weird veil of mysticism. Figure out your practice on your own.
there's so much to say here but the biggest takeaway i have is how social media gives too much of a platform for the embarrassing phases that young people go through. like in middle school my friend and i wrote fan fiction about a couple favorite book characters and acted like we were able to communicate with them and it wasn't serious, it was just silly imaginary stuff we trusted each other with. i think back on moments like that in my life and i feel so much mortification at the idea of putting it on tiktok or reels! i think it's important to remember for a lot of these people it's a phase, a fun thing that gives them a serotonin or dopamine boost, and the danger is that the social media feedback/validation loop might make that phase longer than it would be if they only had one friend to share their passion with.
YOOOOO SAME HERE! I have such fond memories of that middle school time with my friend haha, we spent 2 whole years of middle school with this "play pretend" game where our favorite anime characters and ocs were real and we could talk with them and stuff, but obviously we kept it between us cause we knew that would be embarassing to air out XD even tho it was cringe, I remind it fondly cause we had a lot of fun and wrote so many fanfics and made so many drawings. But thank goodness it wasnt tik tok times, I'd feel absolutely dishelved and mortified if we had filmed and posted tik toks about that and it came to hunt us down later in life 😂
Not to mention the worst part of it if you ask me is that once the phase is over it will still be up on the internet and they will never be able to live their lives as adults without people being able to look up their most embarrassing and cringey moments from high school and forever judge them for it.
Autistic witch here!! I can't properly put into words how much I appreciate the clarification about not all witches being included in this psychosis/main character syndrome. What a respectful, considerate babygirl 🥺 I love my dad and Cooper and NO other human man.
Spiritual psychosis is such a loaded term. The actual definition is generally any spiritual belief that negatively affects your life, but a lot of people would just say that believing in spirituality at all is psychosis
I grew in an intensely mormon home and i just gotta say a big thanks Coop, for acknowledging that "christian" spiritual psychosis is on this same level of silly. Just like, actually way more dangerous because of the grip it has on the country. At least loki's wives aint out here passing legislation to commit cultural genocide 😗
@CarmellaDattiloHow do you know your "one true God" is the real one true God over every other monotheistic religion's "One true God"? I don't have a problem with people worshipping whatever deity they do choose, but there's no denying that people have twisted the meaning of the Bible and other religious texts to fit their own hateful, fearmongering agendas for literal centuries, and the people doing that have caused a lot of harm to the world and to God's children.
From an occultist of over a decade, just my two cents: 1. Identifying deities by tarot is impossible. Every deity has so many combinations that cross over with deities from other pantheons that you simply cannot identify a single deity from a blind draw. Idgaf what anyone says, you're completely limited in your knowledge and deities are such vast entities that you don't know every side of a deity to identify them with cards. That's a scam. You're getting "Achilles for three people in a row" because that's all you know. That doesn't make it true. 2. Godspousing is similar to what nuns do. You devote yourself to your deity. You don't talk shit about how you're "walking away from her three times". That's not godspousing, that's delusion. Having a relationship with a deity requires work on both ends and if you're treating it as flippantly as that, you're gonna get your ass handed to you while the rest of us point and laugh when the deity has had enough of your shit. you're no godspouse, you're a joke. 3. If you're not ruling out the mundane before jumping to the spiritual, stop practicing. Period. You're too far lost in the sauce and no, seeing a single bee in the spring and summer doesn't mean Zeus is trying to contact you. 4. Those scam artists on TikTok with the "this is your sign for whatever" make my blood boil. They're complete trash. If they start out with that or give you those god-awful general readings that are literally just telling you what you want to hear to sucker you into paying for readings from them, or worse, trying to get clicks and views for telling you that your ex is coming back for the millionth time, they're complete trash. If you do collective readings, idc how accurate you think you are, you're feeding into issues and hurting people because these readings are so gd general that they're next to useless. The people telling you otherwise are people who are just looking for confirmation bias. If the reading isn't tailored to YOU specifically, cards pulled for only YOU, the reading is trash. That's basically a sun sign horoscope in the newspaper. Useless. Honestly the only "practitioners" who would be mad about anything said in this video are people who probably shouldn't be practicing.
I'm myself not a Wicken, but most wicken I meet are usually way against these type of spells or any spells that cause harm or misfortune, most of them usually just chill and practice spells that promote healing or happiness, so it's insane to me seeing these people
Also, the religion of wicca is based on a sex cult founded by gerald gardner in the 50s which has been so inundated by culture vultures and spiritual karens that unless we have an existing connection I am simply not going near wiccans with a ten foot barge pole. And I do know what I'm on about because I used to be an initiated member of an alexandrian coven.
@@RandomSwiftie13 why wouldn't they be serious? Wiccans believe that everything you put out comes back trifold and you usually don't want triple curse yourself for everyone you basically curse with one tiktok. That would be quite a bit of bad luck and despair
Cooper have I got a story for you! My now ex had issues with a stalker and her absolute favorite platform was tiktok. This woman would see these videos and she fully believed them and used them as a large reason to continue to harass us. I've wanted to post a video about it in the past and rant about it but I'm not entertaining and I am so glad you've made this video because Holy macaroni batman these tiktoks are so harmful!
as someone with ocd that incorporates magical thinking (which is not a form of legit spirituality, it's more of a level of superstition that makes you obsessively think Bad Things Will Happen if you think about/see/do/don't do [x]) i really appreciate you calling out those psychic/tarot tiktoks that tell people not to scroll bc "it's destiny that you saw this video and here is what's going to happen to you/what you need to do." i have to scroll past them as fast as humanly possible and even then i Still have to do an ocd ritual to sort of "cleanse" my thoughts of what i saw/heard so the video doesn't "have its effect" on me even if i only saw 1 second of it. ocd is absurdly irrational unfortunately. the grifters who make these tiktoks absolutely know that there are anxious people like me out there. the format of their videos alone show that they're banking on vulnerable people being unable to scroll past the video and getting sucked into their content (scam services). it's so gross
yeah, this is a huge part of my OCD too. in my mid 30s though and it has gotten better with therapy and medication etc I was very vulnerable to these things for a long time and it was so stressful and scary all the time. For me it was around numbers and signs I guess you could say.
THIS. This is exactly what makes my blood boil about this predatory trash. I am privileged not to deal with a serious anxiety disorder, but I absolutely despise anyone who takes advantage of vulnerable people. Your experience is **exactly** why I have zero patience for this cra*p. Sending strength and fellowship your way 💜
Bonafide third degree High Priestess here. Professional Tarot Reader etc yada yada. People have begged me to do TikTok. I refuse because it bastardizes our practices and beliefs. These children with costumes making the videos are shameful and I want to shake them. I have my own store. If that girl were busy, she’d not have time to make these videos. People like this make my job harder because of the misinformation they spread. I’ve had scores of people per week come in and ask if they have a dark demon on them. They don’t. I prove to them they don’t and barely have to ask if they got the nonsense from a tiktok witch. They always admit it. Pop culture magick is NOT chaos magick. I could go on and on. But I won’t. Keep up the good work. We love you
When I was in the psych ward due to my first full blown manic episode, I met a girl with schizoaffective disorder who thought she was going to marry God so for years she was planning Heaven on Earth and threw away all her belongings, cut up her passport and all her IDs, deleted all of her accounts, like imagine living with that, it’s debilitating.
As a witch who’s been practicing for almost 10 years now…. These people are our version of born again Christians😂 every group has a sub group that the main group looks at like the red headed step child 😅
@@beanb5391 if I'm understanding it correctly, I think it just mentions red hair in comparison to a family that presumably has a different hair color, indicating that the step child is different Probably not an actual diss against red hair but idk
Spiritually/beliefs = "It's not hurting anybody" That's not true. It's a subject that shouldn't be taken lightly. Everyone knows stories about parents believing their kids are demons (or that they have "bad energies")... or, in other cases, not accepting medical help, because they believe gods or healers will cure them...
This just straight up sounds like limerence. And I don't say that from a place of judgement but from someone who also struggles with limerence from cPTSD. I just feel so much empathy for people needing to fill their lives with fantasy to survive because I have done so for a really long time. It's not your fault, you're doing your best but you deserve a life grounded in reality ❤
@@pinetreegreen3330 Limerence occurs when a person develops an obsessive attachment to someone. It may feel like a very intense form of being in love that may also feel irrational, intrusive, and involuntary. To the point that it can begin to impact daily functioning and consume all thought. It's theorised that it's caused by insecure attachments with others/trauma/childhood developmental issues. It's "safer" to romanticise someone who will likely never outright reject you/abandon you, instead of seeking out real yet terrifying connections.
Ngl I thought you were gonna bash wiccan/pagan practices and tarot readings but you explained things correctly and very respectfully! Tarot readings simply cannot be done through/over video/the phone. Thank you!! Sincerely, ya local wiccan
@@nicopuriiiwiccan IS the most common modern witchcraft practice. Also please inform yourself about the origins of wicca and its roots in cultural appropriation, distortion of ancient magic systems and other very problematic things. There are other paths
i love when he gives hyperspecific shoutouts because they're funny as hell when it's not directed at you but i'm an autistic witch and felt so seen and appreciated when he shouted us out in this one never change, coop, never change
Yo thanks for being respectful about spirituality! I'm a pagan and witchtok creeps me tf out usually, so exploitative towards young people with spiritual interests and people with mental health issues.
as someone who practices witchraft (yes im a witch) and i'm also autistic xD (witchcraft is my special interest too, ask me anything). this sort of people make me lose my shit, its not only giving us a bad rep, but also its just wrong, like believe what you want but this doesn't seem okay to me (ive seen some weird shit). thank you for what you said. here just a quick rundown of these things from my perspective. Pop culture witchcraft is a thing but usually includes using symbols from shows or even certain phrases, but its not as widely spread and agreed upon from what i know and has been twisted, the deities i dont fully believe in, but believe whatever you want. god spousing is very controversial to some people, i work with around 6 deities and have a different vibe with all of them (motherly vibe, friendly vibe, etc.) but never romantic, i think everyone has a different experience with deities but spousing has alwasy been icky to me. lastly i HATE people who use spirituality to take advantage of people. also beware of misinformation on witchtok which i have seen a lot of, so be careful. again just my personal opinion. thank you cooper for trying to be respectful, but dont worry most of us don't exactly like poeple who say stuff like this, and some of them probably need profesional help, but i agree with what you said.
@@josiageorge3527 you don't "know" whether or not you're a witch. Witchcraft, as the name implies, is a craft that involves one's dedication, intent and cultivated skill that can be learned and improved upon, kind of like crocheting (but more spiritually significant if that makes sense)
@@josiageorge3527its the same way a person who practices christianity calls themself christian, being a witch means you follow/devote yourself to witchcraft. its not like crazy powers you’re born with or whatever media portrays it as, hope this helps
You called out autistic witches 3x times so that means I am now godspousing you because obviously thats a sign you are calling to me 😂 you did great video dude. You are absolutely right, keep the good work.
honestly these are just the kinds of little fantasies we would have as middle school girls. but we didn't have tiktok back then and millions of people online to comment on our delusions 😅
As a Hellenist I'm very worried how the concept of pop culture deities might hurt pagans' reputations. Now I say live and let live so I don't think folks who participate in that practice should be villainized outright (esp if it is psychosis), and if it is beneficial to the person's life. But it's very hard for pagans to be openly religious bc the response to "I worship Apollo" usually isn't "Oh cool, I respect you" but instead "THAT silly story???" I'm worried that pop culture deities as a concept will exacerbate the issue. Also I wonder if the novelty of worship seems to be more appealing than genuine devotion. Like Cooper mentioned, the "exoticness" of the Egyptian pantheon being it's draw (keep in mind Kemetism IS an open practice but treating it as this "shiny new thing" is not respectful). Can I come up with a fix to that? No. But I think it's a problem worth mentioning. Lastly I want to add there is NOTHING WRONG with raising concerns about someone's mental health in and outside of the context of religion, when it comes from a place of sincerity and not just making fun. I say this as a person with CPTSD who has auditory and some sensory hallucinations. I've personally found that Hellenism actually helps me with this and doesn't make the issue worse, which is I think a good way to measure if a practice is helpful or harmful. Idk who'll read this but hey at least it'll help Coop's vid in the algorithm! Love your vids man
Χαίρετε, may we all have peace. 🍉 I second this, also as a Pan-Hellenist. Christian culture has seeped into the secular background, but it has made villains of every other pantheon - making them demons, real people of some repute, or transforming them into saints. The Bible is more or less taken quite literally and then that bleeds over to all other mythology. People assume the worst when particularly Gods are mentioned. Zeus and Apollon the most. They aren't web-cartoon or book characters. There might be a link somewhere between the pop culture crossover in that way, but other questions and discussions would have to be had. Also I swear if I have to hear about Madeline Miller one more time...
@@lavendershadows4370 That's a really good point to add. It's very hard to be openly religious when our gods are equated to their myths (which are allegorical, and many of the poems were criticized, etc etc) or demeaned to be just pop culture references. One thing that stuck with me in a different conversation about this was the idea that the gods are old and vast, and many folks get that feeling when in worship. But Hatsune Miku... not so much. The gods are part of nature itself, it's a beautiful thing, and I hope one day we'll be able to socially progress enough to return to being open about our beliefs.
@@crackheadadventures I agree. I am old™️ so I understand the 'main character' aspect of what I presume are teenagers. I was that edgy kid once, thankfully there was no tiktok back then, our group would be wild. They might want to feel special and loved. I don't doubt their faith, even for their pop culture focus, but they're not finished cooking in the brain yet lol. They don't have the depth of understanding yet, which no one can change because that comes with age. They also perhaps don't realize yet that they are special and loved just by their mere existence; that even strangers do want the best for them. Until it's not harmless, I say let them have their spiritual fun. This will hopefully expand their depth of self and understanding, even if in the end they move on from it like a phase. Nothing and no one stays the same. 💜
@@lavendershadows4370 That is a very nice message, I like that. I agree that they definitely believe it, but perhaps might move on from it. But was super cool to see a fellow Hellenist in Coop's comments! Gods bless ♥
my best friend since childhood has OCD and i genuinely believe that videos like these are what caused her obsessions to turn away from cleanliness and towards boys. those "he'll break up with you if you don't like this" posts target people like her and intensify the natural insecurities of young teenagers.
As a spiritualist and tarot reader, I’m always questioning whether I’m losing my mind or not, whether I’m educated enough or not, or if if elements of my practice are problematic or not, if I should even be a reader or not. This video makes me feel a whole lot better about myself and my practice, but also makes me really sad to see how genuinely psychotic and manipulative and colonized whitchtok is… it’s one of the biggest things holding me back from expanding my business. I don’t want to be an authority, or sell an image, I just want to do the things I love.
The pop culture deity and godspousing thing reminds me of when I maladaptively daydreamed 4th-6th grade that Bill Cipher was real, planning to take over the world, and in love with me. Really, though, it was to cope with how outcasted and alone I felt. I'm autistic and severely mentally ill, and even back then, I was horribly mentally ill and traumatized and desperately needed to feel like someone cared. The maladaptive daydreams did do that, but it also put me in very harmful mindsets. It did a lot of bad, but in a way, it also kept me going. It's strange.
Lmao same here. Went through a lot of trauma. But now I'm on meds and my therapist said as long as I'm aware none of my "fantasy worlds" are real and it doesn't hinder me in my life i can do whatever i want in my head 🤷♀️ there are worse way to cope I'd reckon.
As a practicing witch myself, there are many things in the witchtok community that I've never understood, like many others. The things you mentioned in this video, I completly agree. Some of these things are horrendous. From saying they have catched & trapped deitied or demons to using the terms 'starseed' and 'indigo child' to say people, with disabilities and health conditions, have their disabilites or conditions for a special reason. Theres also dimenison or reality jumping which is another strange one
So many thoughts on the god spousing thing. First off that there’s very little historical evidence that it ever really existed. Nuns are often referred to as “brides of christ” in the catholic religion due to the vow of celibacy they take and the intense devotion they have to serving their religion. It’s a lot more of a metaphor than an actual marriage contract. In many ancient religions (specifically ones related to hinduism) there was a ritual known as Hierogamy which was a very metaphoric ritual between a priest or priestess and a god. These s*xual rituals were performed as a way of blessing the land for fertility and were done for the benefit of entire societies as the people involved were most often very highly ranked individuals in the religion (think a bishop or even the pope). These people dedicated their entire lives to their work and often lived at the temple they served My biggest issue is that we most often see modern ‘godspoucing’ is how historically and spiritually unbased it is, based on my research i haven’t been able to find a SINGLE piece of historical evidence showing god spousing within any hedonistic religion. That includes norse mythology. TDLR; Modern god spousing is such a bastardized interpretation of ancient religious practices that’s usually applied in religions it has literally zero historical basis being in and it pisses me off
Your comment sparked an interest in me, and I've spent the past three hours delving the internet for examples, or really anything related to, specifically, the idea of current "godspouceing," (GSing from here on). So, heres the thing. There are a looot of examples of different cultures *specifically* marrying a god/deity. While i dont think this makes the current idea of GSing healthy, or really based on a lot of spiritual background(for the average individual on tiktok), this does show that the idea of marrying an esoteric being has been around across both varrying cultures and history. Its a really interesting topic, and i had a lot of fun researching it. If you want some specific examples, look up the "spirit spouceing" article on wikipedia. It doesnt go into a ton of detail for individual instances on the page itself(it does source stuff though, and google is your friend), and about half of the examples given are not centered around "gods," specifically, but its a great place to start for a wonderfully interesting rabbit hole! Have fun learning!
hello! i am a babywitch (witch who is newish to the community). these people are usually people under 18 or who are very vulnerable mentally, and i went through a 'spiritual psychosis' aged 16 :( it gets so unbelievably bad with people pushing others into severe delusions and just furthering people's mental illnesses. i was completely convinced that my favourite character from my favourite show was deeply in love with me for YEARS and it completely ruined my views on dating, my friendships, and quite a big chunk of my life. i think tiktok spirituality is the absolute worst
Oh man this reminds me of The Snape Wives from the tumblr era…Middle aged women who believed they were married to Severus Snape on the astral plane. Wild times.
A few months ago, I was half asleep. And I texted my friend "I'd be a better wife than Zeus". The god-spousing part reminded me of that. I don't remember typing that LMFAO
Watching the popular-culture deity section was insane. I have ADHD, and was unmediated for a good chunk of my teens, during which time i had some overwhelming, insane obsessions with a couple of dead musicians, and even though I hadn’t heard of this concept my actions on occasion did kind of come close?? I never genuinely believed they were gods or that I could talk to them or anything, but there were times where I was so obsessed I just needed some way of releasing emotions beyond what words could do, and turned to some witchy shit. There was a time semi-recently, even with my medication, where I could not stop thinking about this one musician, and my emotions about him were so strong and overwhelming, that in order to get to sleep that night I ended up writing his name on a rolling paper and eating it. I don’t know why. nobody told me to, it just felt right. I needed a way to physically process it all, like to give myself permission to move on or something. Point is I understand what its like to have too many feelings about someone who is more like a concept than a person to you, and not having a way to process them, but seeing the tick-over between coping and entering delusion was kind of insane. very thankful i stayed humble enough to not genuinely BELIEVE i could coerce some guy into possessing me so he could write music again, or whatever it was that i wanted, but if i had somebody on tiktok giving me a tutorial, best believe little me would have tried
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My bestfriend was schizophrenic and the amount of people who said the voices she was hearing was a spiritual thing was insane. These voices said horrific things to her to the extent she ended up taking her life. People dont understand that kinda shit is NOT helpful. Telling someone who needs help that they shouldn't get on meds because it will "dull their spiritual gift" is absolutely not acceptable to be blunt. Sorry had to rant a bit.
oh my god im so sorry thats horrible! i absolutely agree with you people need to stop saying medical real issues are spiritual it doesnt help anyone
I was told the same thing when I was in active addiction, it messed me up for a long time. People don't realize how dangerous it can be to say stuff like that. They never stop to think who they're saying it to. I'm so sorry about your friend. She deserved better, at least she had a caring friend like you.
A real witch/pagan wouldn’t say that just fyi these people on tiktok are bandwagon trenders they do this for attention.
I live in a very religious country in Central America and am a therapist. Every couple of years, there's a mass possession of grade school children that even teachers get involved in. This always seems to happen in remote villages and it's demons. They cancel school for a couple of weeks. Priests and Nuns come and do exorcisms. They blame it on emo and spells. Nobody listens to counselors. Then it suddenly goes away. A few years ago by (I guess the demons 😈 are visiting other countries) and it starts all over again. I can live my life by FB memories.
Even for regular people with psychosis some family members will try to convince them that they are possessed.
“I married Persephone” dude the last person who tried to steal Persephone from Hades got tortured in the underworld for eternity I don’t think you want to flex that
You can't steal someone from another person. No one belongs to anyone to begin with. Persephone knows that and is the true queen here. Leave if someone's trying to own you.
One of them lost his buttcheeks and the other is still down there.
Apparently, the hero Heracles tried to save him, but the Underworld started violently shaking and Heracles was like: “Yeah no, fuck this I’m out.”
@@chrissyscholl816Persephone isn’t a real person. And this is mythology. And when we say someone stole someone from me. It doesn’t mean we own them.
@@chrissyscholl816 Did you just crawl out from under a boulder? People say “stealing someone” as another way to convey someone’s trying to be a home-wrecker to a relationship. It just means you’re shoving yourself in between them and ruining their relationship. Like, it’s not that deep, it doesn’t mean you literally own someone. Just like spilling the beans doesn’t mean you’re literally spilling beans
@@chrissyscholl816 You don't have to own something for it to be stolen from you
21:58 It also targets people with OCD pretty intensely. "DON'T SCROLL OR YOU'LL NEVER FIND LOVE AGAIN!" OCD is fueled by intrusive thoughts telling you something is or isn't going to happen if you don't do XYZ- It's incredibly predatory to people with OCD, because their anxiety encourages them to do what you say, lest something terrible happen to them or someone they love. I always hated those old chain emails too, because they have a similar structure: "Send this to five friends, or this demon will appear at the foot of your bed tonight and kill you." It's incredibly manipulative and annoying, and not to mention makes me afraid for my life for no reason.
nah fr tho-
i have to scroll the second i see anything remotely along those lines because if i look at one too many it'll become a compulsion to do all of them 😭
Exactly bro!!
Definitely
real (as a person w OCD who gets those constantly)
Exactly!!
As a witch... I never go on witchtok. That place is horrific.
As a baby witch, witchtok scares the hell out of me.
Same
As someone who's been in the practicing for over a decade, I agree.
Same.
I’m a baby witch and I went on witchtok for like thirty minutes and I’m so glad that’s not what most witches are
The actual Norse god Loki is like, the last person you would ever want to marry.
Marrying Loki so I can finally give birth to like a really big ant
ANY god or goddess is someone you should not want to marry. I'm sorry but none of them (unless possibly some very minor ones in pantheons such as greek) are good "people". Most of them have SAed someone, k! lled someone, m@ssacred entire groups of people. It be crazy.
Marrying Loki and realising he’d cheat on you with a Blob Fish
@@marcelineg8012omg goals!!!/j
@@marcelineg8012 “give birth to like a really big ant” thank you, good night 😭
"might start worshipping ___, idk tho" is the new "thinkin' about praying to this"
Thinking about praying to this 😂
@angelalopez103why are you watching film cooper if this is what you type out on a reply to a joke
@@Retiredmagicalgirl-f4eso real 😭😭
@@Retiredmagicalgirl-f4eso real 😭😭
@@rickyclark4870I think you should focus on literature that will improve your grammar sir
God spousing reminds me of the people who thought they were married to Snape
Oh thank the gods I’m not the only one… I don’t think I’m ever gonna be over learning the Snape Wives were a thing
@@maramelodies6385 @cg1367 omg what? Please tell more 😂
Edit: looked it up, wow 🤦🏼♀️😂
@@HanFace89 Strange Aeons has a really good video on it if you’re curious, but the short version is a bunch of horny middle aged women were so into Alan Rickman as Snape in the Harry Potter movies that they convinced themselves he was real in the astral plane and married to multiple of them. And before you ask, yes, several of them ‘consummated’ these marriages. You’re welcome for the mental scarring 🥲
@@maramelodies6385sometimes I think I’m on the edge of needing a straight jacket, and then I hear stories like this and realise that I’m ok, actually 🙏🏼 thanks for the video recommendation, I’ll definitely watch that.
Side note - can you see my comment you replied to? For me it’s gone, and I keep thinking YT are deleting my comments but obviously not if you can see it
YEAH I also made that connection
Ghosting a deity feels like the ultimate delusional trend.
It actually sounds kinda nice as someone deconstructing 😅 like biatch ghost me for thirty years let's see how You like it 🤭
As a witch, we are so on the same side babe. We don't claim these goofs
ppl like this is why so many stay "in the broom closet" 😂 like I just really love nature and connect with it, I'm not married to a god or cursing ppl or doing non consensual love spells 😂😂
reallll
I agree with you guys oh my gods I CRINGED at the Persephone video could you imagine what the people who work with Hades and Persephone heard after that video... Oh geez I would not want to be in their shoes
I agree, I'm not that into witchcraft due to lack of motivation but yeah I've also had friends who do witchcraft and they also for sure would not claim these goofs either
Facts
I’ve literally seen a spiritual TikTok that said “share this audio or your dad will die” or “they’ll finally call you tonight at 6pm, if you hit 2 buttons” and it makes me so annoyed every time. It’s so manipulative.
Woah. That is so gross. 😑
I started getting those kinds of videos last night! "If you scroll without clicking this video your mom/dad will die". It's especially shitty towards those with OCD (my OCD intrusive thoughts are based on fears of my family dying if I don't do whatever compulsions pop into my head). Thankfully random videos don't trigger my compulsions because it's obviously BS but it does bring those intrusive thoughts back to the surface (which is the exact reason I was mindlessly scrolling TikTok to try to avoid).
fr and taking advantage of paranoid and anxious people
Modern day chain mail. Idk how people fall for this sh*t. But I guess it preys on people with anxiety disorders
The modern version of email/facebook message chains "send to 5 people and you will win the lottery, ignore and you'll fail school!"
The amount of those i got as a teen irritated me and now as an adult, those tiktoks irritate me even more
As someone who get HORRIBLE paranoia . Seeing video that go “like and save or you will die” or something like that, is absolutely horrible. There have been times where I’ve like full on sobbed because of how paranoid it makes me to the point friends and family have to calm me down and convince me I’m not gonna die 💀 like- threatening people on the internet just to get views and likes is,, kinda crazy to me
it's so messed up. because it's so cruel and torturing to people with just general anxiety, along with certain varieties of autism, panic disorders, OCD, schizotypal disorders, etc. I have trouble getting it out of my head too, even if you know realistically that it's bullshit. it's logicless and very emotionally painful. screw these people fr.
I wonder if you say you’re ‘not interested’ every time one of those videos pops up on TikTok and the algorithm will eventually realise you don’t want to see them anymore? I know those videos aren’t really tagged properly which sucks so you can’t just block that.
15 years ago you would get emails that say “send to 10 friends or die tonight”. I didn’t send to 10 friends ever and I’m alive to tell ya about it lol
Hello friend, let me help. This is your protection charm: 🐑 It may look like an ordinary sheep emoji, but her name is Elijah and she's here to help. Any time you see some rando trying to say you'll get bad juju from not giving them engagement (making money!!! Off your anxiety!!) Just remember Elijah is there for you, and she can see through their bull shit. She'll absorb all that bad juju into her wool and it'll never touch you. She'll also give those shitty people nightmares! She also protects from old school chain emails, and your average superstitions! Very multifunctional!! And she's always there, giving you good juju to offset things like this.
And if Elijah isn't enough, take it from someone who's always felt close to the spirits: These are always lies. The spirits are not always kind, and sometimes they are cruel. But they're not supporting anyone's tiktok channel either. These fools speak lies and greed, while the spirits pursue the balance. There is no balance to their threats. They have no power, darling, trust me, and see them for what they are; charlatans desperate for attention.
The next time you worry come read this:
You are safe. Your loved ones are safe. Breathe in peace, and breathe out the malice they drip into your mind. They have no power over you--you can tell by how desperately they beg for *you.*
And remember. Elijah is always here for you. And anyone else who needs her
@@jennesantana lol i remember those
saw multiple "he loves you" tarot videos. went ahead and confessed to my crush. the way i got rudely and meanly rejected hurt my entire existence. i haven't talked to another guy for 2.5 years now 😢
Man I'm so sorry.
This is where this video is lacking. You should confess to crushes anyway, and learn to handle rejection without internalizing it. This was not a healthy mindset for you before, during, or after seeing videos on tiktok, and it sounds like you're still not healthy now. Are you talking to someone?
Why are people so vulnerable to influence from social media? Grifters use spirituality like this because it works, but it shouldn't work. The ego of the people being grifted is also unhealthy. Ego is the problem all around, not just on the side of the poster
@@LadyVandMrT Why are you reading into this so much? Delusional. They never even said anything after mentioning that was 2.5 years ago.
@@spooningbards9138 what part of my comment would you describe as "reading into it" too much?
@@spooningbards9138 Some humans care about the well being of fellow humans. I'm sorry that's such a crazy concept for you. Truly.
“you can’t date a caleb if you’re with the egyptian god herobrine” actually changed the trajectory of my life, ty cooper
That grandma who accidentally worshipped Elrond was ahead of her time
Work grandma you’re the original lotr ao3 writer
accidentally?
explain??
@@that_gay_pringle1072 @NinoPega
A grandma accidentally used a statue of Eleond for her prayers mistaking him for Jesus
@@NinoPega the grandma prayed to a figurine of Elrond (LotR) cause she thought it was depicting St. Anthony. The og comment is making a link to the "pop culture deities" since this happened a few years back :)
spiritual psychosis is so detrimental, a lot of the times it just sounds like wanting to disassociate. I'm so relived you don't put all witches and spiritualists into the same box.
@UTTP-142 if it's a joke, it's not funny. If it's not, good 4 u. You don't need to answer like that on a random comment.
It can lead to cults if you have the wrong minds
@@rickyclark4870 dawg youre literally christian
@@ashelmao9578 I have a very deep faith in Christ and our Father!! I'm nothing but that!! Thank you!!! I take that as a compliment!!
@@rickyclark4870 i mean yea nothin against that but you realize mainstream religions all start as cults right? like my point is you vilify cults but dont seem to know what a cult actually even is.
The “claim by interacting” videos remind me a lot of the copypasta things that my friends would send me in middle school. Like the “share this message with five people in the next ten minutes or your parents will die in a car accident”
That's exactly what it is
Creepy pasta , it was called chain letters when I was a kid and it would be literal notes “write amen on this or your mommas gonna break her back in 7 days etc” now it’s just digital.
When I was 16, I almost got indoctrinated into a teen megachurch, I'm not even joking. This girl who I wanted to be friends with told me we could only hang out if we went to church together. It was seriously cult-like, it's so freaky thinking about it? We went and everyone welcomed and hugged me, one girl brought a puppy with her for us all to pet, and before "worship" started they took me out and bought me ice cream while they sang Christian pop music. Then during the worship everyone just stood in this big empty room and prayed and spoke in tongues and cried and it was scary but I also DEFINITELY felt the whole "community/camraderie" thing that I was craving because I didn't have a ton of friends and BOYOHBOY that ish was crazy.
Long story short, she went on a mission trip to Africa and met her husband, a fellow missionary, and they post eerie pictures of them and how they're "saving" all these African children... and now I'm trans. So.
Like the Boy Meets World cult?
Sounds like pentecostal. They're the speaking in tongues church. My mom joined a congregation when I was a teen and I came home one day to find a bunch of people from the church in the backyard burning my mom's old music records (lot of 1960s/70s stuff she had since she a kid) and talking in tongues while crying and rolling on the ground. I noped on out of there and stayed with a friend for awhile. Now my mom's into qanon but I'm an adult now so I just don't bring it up to her when I see her.
ayeee trans rights. queer ex-mormon here; all recruiting techniques & tactics are all the same. just rebranded depending on where the grifter goes. being "nice" doesn't mean shit. sorry you were love bombed like that & glad you are out.
LOL yo you dodged a bullet _and_ had the better outcome.
@@Ami_E_BowenI don’t think that’s most Pentecostal churches 💀
I'm dating a Kaleb and I'm DEVISTATED to learn my dreams of also dating herobrine will never happen 😭😭
You just learnt that??
I'm so sorry for your loss...
my brother's name is Kaleb lmaooo
omg yes, the way there are so many love potion or like love spell tiktoks does not sit right with me like consent does not exist at all
THIS!! Love spells need consent ffs. I've been practicing for years and from what I've learned, if you really want to do a love spell, you need to make CLEAR that it is not being directed at a specific person. Instead, you are merely calling love into your life in hopes of receiving a romantic partner(s)
@@Broomcloset42 frfrfr!!!! Like- I feel like if you try a focused love potion you'd get cursed or sum by whatever spirit you work with omfg
It's a weird thing where the internet is being super loud about consent and what it is and when it applies and yet also forgets it exists every bloody time.
@@Lupis9272you can force someone to you in magick but it is known as dark magick. It requires two poppets and a sword to pierce you two together.
@@Broomcloset42 this! I've been practicing for 20+ years and I was taught that this was the best way to do a love spell your not taking anyone's freedom and will power away by doing this your just going hey universe I'm ready and open to finding love and seeing if there's anyone out there who matches you.
I went through psychosis, I genuinely believed I could speak with spirits. Seeing people saying it's ableist to call them out is really upsetting. My first therapist prolonged my psychosis by saying I was," probably just more connected to the spirit worlds." Had she just told me the truth, that those feelings were due to mental illness, I would have healed much quicker. I worry that the tiktok echo chambers are putting people into psychosis and keeping them there. Like it is funny how human brains can rationalize anything, but it is also terrifying.
Is your experience indicative of all of humanity? Are you in a psychosis if you have visions, or only if you hear voices? And if you hear voices in a vision? How is that different from hearing the voice of dream speak directly to you in dream, which happens often in lucid dreaming? Does is make a difference if the voices are inside or outside, or if they are inspiring art, are lines of poetry for example, or lines of a song, complete with music I might add. You would not think that a gift, or do you think those things are also indicative of psychosis? I do not like idioms all that much, but you have heard that we often throw out the baby with the bathwater no doubt.
Things are not cut and dried inn this world, never really all this and not at any of that, and to be worried and upset because you think people are being led down the wrong path, that's a little entryway into what it is in you you're upset about and worried over, which might have to do with simply believing you were in a psychosis because you believed in the supernatural in a way that put you front and center.
Maybe there is such a thing as the spiritual path, and, as the consciousness opens, if you really are learning spirituality and not have just adopted a set of beliefs and practices, things like voice and vision open, and stranger things, such as the Silence, but you have to be very careful not get fooled into thinking you are such and such, and you don't try and broadcast that for many years, because your goal is not hearing voices and having visions and showing this off to people. Your goal is something language cannot define but has to do with becoming who we truly are behind and above the play of this world, and that is not an aggrandized ego.
@@DonnyLeeDukehey bud, whatever rambling screed you just wrote out ALSO sounds like psychosis. So, thanks for proving the point I guess? 🤷
@@Saurdeloth My name is Donny. Bud is some way you use to show your irritation. I've affected you. I have proved no point, either that what I say is true or that I have a psychosis, and that is quite an diagnosis to make of someone by a single comment, even if you were a mental health professional, and I suspect you are not. But you do have ill will and want to insult, and I will predict you only give more with my reply to you, if you reply at all. I'm not really real to you, and my presence, and my eyes, are far from this e-communication, and you are simply exhibiting the behavior of the herd here by your trashing someone whom you disagree with.
In the comment, I said nothing about myself, but let me now. I live in India a spiritual aspirant and have for 20 years. I was born in Texas and raised both on a farm in East Texas and the suburbs of Houston. My nightly dreams were a big part of my life, something my 'red neck' mom talked about with my sister a lot, the dreams we had the night before. A few times in my childhood I found myself in a place I could not fathom, somewhere in the house late at night, but my body lie sleeping. I also awoke in dream, but back then no one talked about lucid dreaming, and so I didn't know what to call it. When I was 12, I found myself out of my body and at my best friend's front door. It was a sunny Saturday morning. I watched as Johnny came out of his house and began to walk in the direction of mine. I tried everything I could to get him to notice me, but he could not. I say everything he did, and he was whistling a tune. I saw him come up to my door and ring the doorbell. I awoke at that instant and ran to the door, and it was Johnny, and when I told him everything he had just done, even the tune, he gave a reaction of fear and surprise a little boy can't fake, and he confirmed what I told him.
Of course it was not done in a lab by the scientific method, but I believe my own personal experience. Do I also tell you about when I was in college and I had a dream I was inside my grandfather's body, and I could think my own thoughts and feel my own feelings, and also his? Looking out his eyes and feeling his body, I could see he was building a fence, and he was very thirsty. Then the whole left side of his exploded in the pain, the pain of death, and I knew that because in inner exploration in lucid dream a year before, I'd been stabbed in the heart and had a classic N.D.E., but not to a heaven, to my own living room, where I met our dead cat. I was an atheist but one not just accepting a belief. I had the ability to explore inside, and I was. Anyway, as my grandfather died, a bright white light came into him, the same light I saw when I died in dream a year earlier, but mine was yellow, and the terror he felt at that moment just vanished, and he wanted to go into that light, and I wanted to go too, but I was prevented, and I awoke in bed. Two weeks later my grandfather died of a heart attack while building a fence, in the place I saw him die out of his own eyes, and he had kept going to the house nearby for water because he was so thirsty. I call that inner body time travel, and it's not by contraptions that we will learn time travel, but by opening up the consciousness.
But wait, there's more. You'll also get these sets of pairing knifes. Sorry, too much TV in the '70s. I became a Classical Greek scholar in university and scored in the top 10% of the nation in translating Greek, but after seven and half years of college, I left school and the normal life, and that was in 1992, but I really got into inner exploration while in college, and I wanted to see how far we go inside and if our consciousness is somehow connected or a part of that of others. Uh, have you done anything like that? Do you even remember any of your nightly dreams? Can you interpret them?
I was doing grad work in the history of science, which I ditched when, wanting to know if the ancient Greek Ionian philosophers used unembodied beings to help them, I conjured a demon, and it went out and showed itself to at least one other person, who then took a shotgun and went crazy, and the SWAT team was called out. I had been casually talking to him about Carlos Castaneda at the high rise condo where we both worked. After he got out of jail, he called me wanting to be my student, as he had also seen the thing, at the time I called it up, and I told him to see a shrink, I mean, if he were going to go crazy a get a shotgun like that, and that I had too much to assimilate by what I had done. I then stopped the pursuit of knowledge and started spiritually seeking. It was spiritual experiences that bade me leave normal life. There really is the state of enlightenment, but I am not enlightened, and I know that because I have experienced the state momentarily, and so I know I'm not there now.
I didn't tell you that I was in the last active duty cavalry troop in the US army, as a muleskinner, or that I was on a runaway wagon on the streets of D.C. just a couple hours before the Inauguration of Reagan in '80, and then I passed and reviewed in front of him with a 4570 black powder rifle, or that I became a Green Beret and parachuted into Germany in '83 with my A team and a tactical nuke, not knowing if it were real world or not. We were kept in isolation for three weeks in England before the mission. When we hit the ground we checked; the bomb had no plutonium. Then we walked 100 clicks through the Black Forest to pretend to plant the bomb, afterwards got put into the Net, the NATO underground made up of all former German soldiers who were then old men, some exWaffen SS, and it was from the Wallfen SS, the commandos, not the concentration camp SS, that many of the first Green Berets came from. A little military history for you. The Brits and other Allies got some too. It wasn't just rocket scientists they were scarfing up.
All that helped me to be a vagabond, penniless pilgrim for over 10 years, sleeping outside as well as in, living with the poor and the rich, traveling in 27 countries and four continents, working my way by whatever job i could get, even sweeping streets, which I did in Israel, and no, I'm not Jewish, why I was sweeping streets. Of course I would end up in India. Anyway, I spend a lot of my day in vision, and I write poems and songs from there and do photography and make videos, and you can check out what you like, but I bet you don't have such a story to tell, do you? I can call you kid, but that would like you, and I am not insecure.
@DonnyLeeDuke there is very much a difference, and I won't rule out spirituality as a possibility, but humans are and never will be connected to it. And there is a difference in a dream and hallucinations. The fact you feel entitled to tell me that my experience is invalid is absolutely insane.
@@DonnyLeeDuke holy moly
17:27 why was I expecting him to say 'you're more prettier than Aphrodite'
My heart stopped for a moment and I can not described the relief I felt when he said Persephone
bro nearly started a war 🤚
no, i was so scared too 😭😭
Saaaame lol
For imaginary beings ?
@@Lezdethka-np2bq they say that if you are called prettier than aphrodite, you will be cursed by her since she will grow jealous. basically, when people say it (and they know what it means) they have ill intentions.
I screamed at “I had to walk away from her at some times” YOU??? YOU HAD TO WALK AWAY FROM PERSEPHONE??? YOU???
Yeah really lmao
To be fair, the Pagan gods are usually very narcissistic and willful. Deity work can be detrimental, I can make sense of this as a metaphor lol
@@LadyVandMrTidk if you're pagan or not, but for the rest of the class, there isn't really a group called the "pagan gods" as paganism comes in many flavors and pagans worship many different deities from many different cultures and time periods. Personally, I worship Aphrodite, and I have my own reasons (UPG) for why I do, but the way I see it is she's multifaceted just like we are
@@EClaire.1073 Aphrodite can be self obsessed too lol "Pagan" means "religions that are not JudeoChristian" in formal literature, that's how I use it here. Aphrodite is a Pagan god, and like most Pagan gods, is a little full of herself haha Pagan gods are really just like advanced people. To be fair, I think most Christians are accidentally worshipping Pagan gods too, like Baptists who worship aspects of Loki unknowingly (retribution, punishment, shame), etc. I think the Old Testament was written by Marduk. All deity comes down through the planes of existence by the usual concealment mechanisms, the collapsing symmetries we see birth the laws of physics. Deities are kind of narcissistic because that's just a consequence of being great and influential, and they often need us, need worshippers, to pray, to interact with them, and to help them see what really matters in life. They're detached from mundane life more than we are, and we all have to work together to build a happy world.
Exactly what I was fucking thinking, like c'mon man... Take a step back and reflect on yourself--
The most evil thing is them romanticizing toxicity saying “it won’t last long” and young vulnerable people falling for it and putting up with the worst.
I 10000% agree as someone who went threw that with their first relationship I would never tell someone it “won’t last long” I gave my ex 2yrs of toxicity
21:58 as someone with OCD with delusional tendencies, these types of audios/videos are genuinely so harmful. While they may be lighthearted in intent, they can be extremely harmful.
I had to remove myself, a pagan, from witchtok and the adjacent groups because the videos and audios like that would trigger such severe panic attacks. One specific audio was, “like, comment, and share, or else someone will break into your home tonight.” I have obsessive thoughts surrounding home intrusions. Logically I know this isn’t going to happen, but when you have a disorder that runs on paranoia and irrational fear, logic doesn’t apply. I ended up having to admit myself to a hospital the next day because it put me into a severe OCD spiral which ended up triggering some of my most self destructive OC cycles, and led to delusional thinking and paranoia to the point of needing an antipsychotic treatment to bring my mind out of it.
I hope you are doing better. ❤
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Everything u said and feel is absolutely valid and I feel for u
I completely understand exactly what you are saying.
I think the tiktok videos doing this are stupid too, but this is majorly a you problem that you should care more about solving for yourself than you do criticizing typical people. I hope you can find some peace
There was a woman at my grandpa's funeral who started "speaking in tongues", even when my grandmother tried to speak over her she kept going. It was disgusting honestly, that made me so incredibly angry, she was "relaying a message from god" that my grandpa's "sinful soul" would be "cleansed from all his carnal sins". He was the most faithful man to my grandmother, they were highschool sweethearts who got married in secret as soon as they turned 18, and somehow that young they were right about their love lasting for a lifetime.
I swear I wanted to scream in this woman's face to just stfu. I'm a witch and I have my beliefs, I always respected my family's christian beliefs too, but that was not real. False believers are the worst, in any religion. Just using people's faiths for manipulation, attention, money, fame. It's so gross.
yo i'd be actually throwing hands with someone who did that. so insanely disrespectful and self-centered. i'd go from a mourning loved one to a bouncer in seconds. so sorry you experienced that
@@bunnyellabell Thank you. I wish I wasn't so scared of confrontation honestly. She did it again on the 1 year and 2 year anniversaries too, I swear just with that she's the worst person I've ever met
Ewwww I’m so sorry your grandmother endured that 😞
@@KaitlynMcCary Thank you. She's a strong woman for sure
So, according to canon, God won't impose upon someone to speak in tongues without an interpretor present, and that person most certainly isn't going to be the person speaking in tongues. It's also not really something He'd use for a message like that, like, that sounds like some HARDCORE main character syndrome, she couldn't stand that something wasn't about her.
I am begging you to talk about the OG WitchTok drama where one group of witches tried to curse the moon, causing a schism with the witches that see the moon as the source of their magic
Omfg wait what that is hilarious, somehow I missed that one but it sounds *incredible*
Nobody tried cursing the moon, that was a hoax started to see how many people would lie and say they did it or how many people tried to be mean ab it
ah 2020... i think someone. tried to fight allah? like in the astral plane? really funny actually
@@leoyakafudy allah literally just means god in arabic so that is funny af fr
Never heard of this, though I do live under a rock admittedly, cause Muggles make me itch. BUT what'd the moon ever do to them?
Bella L
As someone who is inlove with greek mythology the scream i let out when skrillex garage open coke man said he was god spoused to Persephone was so visceral that my mom came rushing in and sent me to jesus himself.
Literally
saying that type of thing is as forbidden as saying someone is more beautiful then Aphrodite
@@zaBeheadedI’ve read the myths. I know how that all ends.
Same, like doesn't this guy read??
@@floreya67"do you even Greek mythology bro?" 😂
As a pagan, while it is fun and i enjoy the movies and such, i think marvel irreversibly damaged how people view norse mythology. Loki being so popular as a deity is DEFINETLY because of Tom Hiddleston.
Also 21:00 you were spot on about Satanism! The Satanic Temple uses Satan as a symbol rather than a deity. Often people practice other religions alongside Satanism with their own beliefs and deities.
I was thinking the same. Those girls are good-spoused to the MARVEL Loki, the real Loki is a lot less hot
@@PeachysMom Like. you can show art of him with orange hair in your tiktoks but i know how you imagine him in your mind
Im pagan myself, hellenic polytheist, and pop culture as ruined the imagine of gods and goddess from so many different religions lmfao
24:16 when I was 14 I was in a (CW) abusive relationship. If I had TikTok 10 years ago I’d be looking at stuff like this. Telling young girls that they have to “tough out” a toxic dynamic is so horrible, I can’t even put it into words.
I am someone who experienced a psychotic break once in my life. I had endured far too much trauma through out my life and hit a breaking point when I lost my father, 5 years ago. It started with the most severe and crippling depression I had ever gone through, and it slowly spiraled into such an intense mental health crisis, that I started to experience Spiritual Psychosis. This lasted for a handful of months, it was horrifying, and it completely ruined my life at the time. Prior to healing and therapy, I felt so ashamed for years, confused and afraid of what my brain was capable of doing to me. If I had come across any of these manipulative and/or mentally ill people online, it would've made my condition that much worse.
@UTTP-142 dude what? This person is agreeing with cooper?
I’m so sorry you’ve got through that. I am so happy you’ve gotten better and if you need anything someone will help you. I will if I need too
@@112watches2It’s a bot
@@112watches2 Appreciate you
Those are Demon's tell you all the negative stuff, you need to start ready the Bible and ask God for forgiveness then move on with your life, forgive your parent's.
those "this is your sign" videos are like a pit of quicksand to my OCD. there's a thing called magical thinking, where you think that certain actions/events do truly control the outcomes of other things. like, you HAVE to wish on 11:11 otherwise shit will go down badly. so those videos are hell for me because my OCD ass is so easily grabbed by them.
I have that. I'm getting evaluated for OCD soon and it's debilitating always having to say the same thing at the same time of day, recite the same words/prayer, everything has to be perfect or you have a feeling something awful will happen for some reason?? Even if you know it's not true. These people are more than obnoxious, they're disrespectful and manipulative and borderline ableist.
yea it's the worst, I'm glad I'm not alone
Yes. OCD can do this. I’ve had lots of ocd exposure therapy. It does help. Good luck.
RIGHT, like I am new to Christianity and love the religion so far but OCD is such a balancing act when there’s tons of crazies thinking the rapture is going to happen “soon” or that things like monster energy drinks are actually satanic.
Thankfully I don’t struggle as much with compulsions these days but the paranoia is so difficult.
Jesus Christ set me free and can set you free too
I am someone who teaches about spirituality. I spent a very long time educating myself on ancient teachings and their connection with modern-day sciences. Which included psychology and the understanding of quantum physics. The narcissistic side of spirituality, where a person claims to know the journey of another, is highly infuriating. And I think you're absolutely correct about there being some individuals who would be well served to go through an ego death.
22:18 as an agnostic 22 year old with both anxiety and autism it is genuinely embarrassing how vulnerable i feel to the whole “this message is for you but only if you like and share to claim or else something bad will happen” thing. like obviously i know its fake on some level and just fishing for interaction yet my brain will lock on to a “what if it happens to be real” thing. its not a huge deal but yeesh it makes me feel gullible
I’m about 10 years older but same lol I remember being on MySpace when I was 12 or 13 and I would share EVERY one of those “Share or else [insert terrible thing here] will happen in [this many] days” 😂 My grandma was also Mexican Catholic, so she was insanely superstitious which didn’t help lol this long-winded comment is to say I feel you 😂
I felt this I always feel panicked lol
@@AspienWaifuAwe man, those chain emails back then had a grip on my young self and I always panicked because I didn't know 10 people to forward an email to so I thought I was gonna die 😅. And the silly thing is EVERYONE was doing it too. It took a while for me to finally convince myself these things aren't real and can't hurt me. That stuff has such a strong grip on us in the early 2000s.
I muted several words on twitter associated with that shit for that reason and now I can know peace. I don't get on tiktok anymore.
@@AspienWaifu thank you I just left a comment and left out the part that I was 10 years older than cooper but yeah four years I fell for that kind of stuff when I was undiagnosed OCD and autistic. Myspace live journal right through Instagram. I do not have TikTok because I want to avoid any of that stuff and a bunch of other stuff on there lol it's the last hope from my mental health.😂
NAH THAT KISS WAS THE CUTEST THING IVE EVER SEEN IN MY LIFE I LOVE Y'ALL SMMM
Literally and how he looked surprised was so cute😂😂
videos like these where you have to interact in order to prevent bad things from happening is what can drive people with OCD into a spiral. “do this random action multiple times to protect you and your loved ones” is the at the root of many ocd compulsions. videos like these and tarot card readings sent my religious ocd into overdrive a few years ago…. it’s just sick.
I agree with this…a few months ago videos like that were appearing all over my for you page and it sent me into a spiral, honestly it’s just a horrible thing to do….
thank you so much for mentioning it. this is something I talk about a lot with ocd. Even the concept of manifesting has been an issue for me lol
Yes. They trigger me so bad. I literally get panic attacks if I don't do what the videos says 😭
Exactly-- they are phrased like compulsions 100%. It is so hard to remind yourself that this is a PERSON posting who has 0 control over your life or the fabric of the world because these videos intentionally play on OCD fears and paranoia.
This reminds me of when I was in 4th grade and the rainbow magic books were popular. A bunch of us decided to make a "fairy club," where we assigned ourselves a fairy from the series and they "followed us around." We would play imagination games on the playground and it was fun. But it was also a bunch of 8 year olds, not adults on TikTok.
I like this take. This whole trend very much seems to me childhood fantasy play adopted by adults.
those “this is your sign” videos fucked with my ocd during a dark time in my life thanks for calling it out ❤
Yeah, I have a bad death phobia and these really hit me hard when I was about 17. Like, couldn't leave my house for a month, cried every single night, it was Hell
Same!!
Pagans are usually pretty against prosthelytizing, so tiktoks like these tend to really turn me off. Especially when it has to do with monetary or celebrity gain. Really not what the whole spirituality is about. Thank you for covering this, Cooper. ♡ love your videos!
I know its so frustrating because tis a complete misrepresentation of what paganism actually is, like we are already hated on enough by a load of people and now we have these absolute clowns 'representing' us 💀
It embarrasses me to think these people call themselves withes let alone they think they actually represent Paganism 💀
As a biracial person, I do have to remind that you can't always determine ethnicity based on just skintone.
THANK YOU (I’m biracial too)
Yeah, didnt twitter try to cancel that one dude for playing Ramsay in a movie, but they thought he was white but he was actually egyptian? (Thats what i thought of when Cooper made his statement)
Also Set is a god of frogiener,s you think he cares about who worships him?
im also biracial and yeah thats true
Idk, he said it would feel a little weird...it would. Like I would totally be wrong but it would still feel weird at first, especially if most practitioners look a certain way.
My mom’s psychosis lead her to passing away and after she passed I picked up one of her spiritual books and the page I flipped to was basically encouraging cutting off your family if they tell you you’re mentally unwell and it was really really sad to read. Fuck everyone who feeds into spiritual psychosis.
Fuck people who are so closed to other's realities that their loved ones feel the need to cut them off. You can't help someone by rejecting their reality. Best therapist I ever had taught me that
@@LadyVandMrT it’s called being mentally ill, she wasn’t closed to our reality she was sick and the predator authors who write spiritual books gave her the horrible advice.
As someone who was raised in the same type of Christianity and is now a witch, it is so refreshing to have someone point out that Christians are not immune to spiritual psychosis. I was raised in the Bible Belt in a rural town. I went to church camp and Vacation Bible School every summer and for the rest of the year, we went every Wednesday night and twice on Sundays. While I do have some very fond memories of that time, the amount of manipulation and spiritual psychosis that I experienced is insane. After all, it's not a good service until someone has spoken in tongues, someone else has translated it, someone has fallen out in the spirit, and someone else has started running through the aisles.
Everyone is entitled to believe what they want, just please stop attacking my faith while putting yours on a pedestal.
Every faith has its con artists. Every faith has its weirdos.
I have mental conditions that make me prone to bouts of paranoia and intrusive thoughts. Let me just say being a heavily involved Christian (I floated to different denominations but was raised Southern Baptist) did not help with that, and there were many times where I was leaning towards spiritual psychosis
I feel like we grew up in very similar ways and now both follow a very similar spiritual path 😂❤️
Obviously Christians aren't immune who ever said that? First of all "group" spiritual encounters seem absolutely performative I can't imagine being part of a church where that is encouraged I would always doubt any sort of group performance like you're talking about. That is hysteria, like how people can start acting weird or violent in a crowd in a music concert, it's like the Stanford Prison Experiment except instead people pretend to speak in tongues or walk over people and crush them at a concert when they're usually not violent in day to day life. Christians are actually some of the most well known cases of spiritual psychosis which is why the Vatican discourages people from talking to ghosts by assuming they're all malevolent demons and even then they almost never do an exorcism.
18:06 bro turned evil after that kiss omg it reminds me of syndrome from the incredibles
certified Radio Rebel moment
@@pensulliwen5691 literallyyy
he really said 😼
Ive been having really bad OCD episodes lately and these have been a source of a lot of them. I’ve deleted TikTok for now because I couldn’t help but share them and do what they said so now they are all over my fyp. But when they come up, I know they are fake, I know they don’t work, but when they say “you will have the worst day of your life tomorrow” that thought will eat me alive if I don’t do what they say. I can’t sleep, I can’t focus. These are not ok and so victimizing, I’ve been able to avoid them for so long but it only takes 1 like.
I have OCD symptoms (not diagnosed yet) and I’m also very religious. It is very hard for me to discern if I’m having intuition warnings or intrusive thoughts
one thing I picked up from listening to a ~woo~ podcast was that guidance won’t come from a place of fear. she’s not necessarily an authority and I don’t claim to know what I’m doing lol, but it sits right with me and settles me and helps me discern what is me going AhHhHHh and what is more of a ‘knowing’, yknow? Best wishes to you both ✨
@@latenightbreakdowns2107 same here!
I can totally relate. What I do is go to the comments and like one that says “not claiming” then select not interested on the video to satisfy my ocd 😭
Not me (a Sophia) slowly falling asleep and hearing 'oh Sophia's sleeping right now' and being quite confused and slightly creeped
I'm brazilian and I have to admit that I've prayed for Goku to give me strength before
Omg, not all Brazilians pray to God 😭
Lmao, they're gonna think that all of us pray him
Well we do have the "Universal Church of Goku"
Nem fodendo.
No way kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
Caraca mano 😂😂😂😂😂
“A bunch of young girls……..aNd dWaYnE” Dwayne is going through something.
These kinds of people have unfortunately always been around on the internet. I remember being a lonely kid using my visa gift cards for spells and readings online that promised to help find friends and romance.. they go after people who are young and/or heartbroken and desperate
Yuuuup remember being an only child in Florida believing the moon would turn me in to a mermaid from a free spell site
Yesss so true 😭😔
Actually they do it by regular mail too. I have a friend who actually felt cared about by these fake psychics it was so sad, and she's older like in her 50s or something. Just evil.
@@frankiel2980 Awww, if nothing else that sounds really sweet. I think we all wanted to be mermaids at a certain age
You to young to have called miss Chloe?
when sophia randomly came and kissed him it was so cuteee
the way my brother screamed COOPER POSTED and how quick the two of us sat down and watched the whole thing.
ahh sibling bonding
Yes. Me, my husband and my bro-in-law. hha
im so glad someone is finally talking about the "use sound to claim" type of videos, i remember seeing them last year and they made me so anxious considering i have anxeity and they were saying that if i dont use this sound my whole family will die tomorrow 💀
Be stronger than that. People say a lot of bullshit. Do not believe people
Godspousing Persephone, the wedded wife and neice of Hades, daughter of Zeus, and the GODDESS OF CURSES, and "walking away from her" is the dumbest thing I have EVER heard. Full shade. In one myth, Persephone punishes the gardener who rats her out to Hades for eating the pomegranate seeds by turing him into an OWL. You aren't just gonna break up with her.
Also, the Loki wives, who didn't realize Loki and Odin are likely one in the same, and NEITHER are beings you'd want to wedded to.
im pretty sure Hades already has a spot in the fields of punishment saved for them anyways
@@zaBeheaded👍👍👍
Why do you say loki and Odin are likely the same?
Seeing how there are dozens of gods and goddesses of curses, magic or tbh anything, I guess even Persephone is too busy figuring her shit out, than to actually care about some crazy people choosing a new trend to follow. Also bitch is thousands of years late. Should've updated to Persesmartphone. (Sry)
Northern myths are so populated with deities, how come the belief that Loki isn't their own?
isn’t persephone also involved in poisons or am i wrong?
Casting Hiddleston as Loki, might actually be the ultimate Loki move. Real Norse Loki is a true terror. The actual worst. His greatest trick is convincing 21st century women that he's just a hot, witty goof who's family didn't understand him.
i read this long scientific article a while ago and don’t recall the name, but the author made the argument that actual norse Loki was possible considered more of a force of nature or a symbolic stand-in than a real person…
i personally am a subscriber to “Loki was a deity of children/the future, which is why he constantly gets in trouble but people love him anyway”… making the Hiddleston thing even funnier
I think the funniest part is that marvel loki is literally combination of 2 lokis from the actual mythology and half the girl's saying they married loki God of mischief are transphobic af and loki was literally genderfluid. He was the God of being genderfluid. Anybody genderfluid was deemed by others to be blessed/cursed by him, or his child
As a person who has an intimate relationship with Loki, you are absolutely right. He is terrifying and a major asshole. Dark triad vibes lol don't fall for it. He absolutely wants people to view him less like a villain, but he is a villain, so
Achilles as a spirit guide would just be telling you to fight everyone all the time lmao
Bro would be like „be gay do crimes”
I'd much rather Patroclus-
@jaxparrow87 when you put it that way, actually sign me up.
The issue with godspousing is that it’s sort of like being a nun. some times. It is an ancient and valid practice, but there are ofc some issues with it. The godspousing on TikTok is not the best example lmfao
Yea I feel like people on tiktok don't really understand how it works, they take it too literally/treat it like an average spouse relationship that you'd see between mortals
yeah that's what i was thinking (as a catholic) but. the guy saying he "had to walk away" from Persephone/his wife... feels very odd. how is an entire goddess being a problematic wife. his phrasing felt more like a gen x who hates his wife than someones relationship with a divine being. it doesn't feel like the way youd talk about your relationship w (a) god it's so weird to me idk. like is it not a you issue? as the mortal?
@@leoyakafudy Agreed. I feel like they're either not getting it or they're playing it up for tiktok views. And yea in either case its probably a mortal issue.
“I stutter a lot and I’m stupid but I think I said a sentence” STORY OF MY LIFE
After the US assasinated the second top leader of Iran, the leaders in Iran came out and said “what American hero could we possibly kill in retaliation- SpongeBob?” and I think about that a lot.
I'm a witch, solitary practitioner. I also have a lot of experience with psychosis. I take my meds and do my tarot readings peacefully knowing that whatever happens is up to my brain's genuine interpretation, not one brought on by an illness out of my control. In terms of my practice and my knowledge of what psychosis is like for me: never the twain shall meet. People, please be careful. No one who tells you to stop scrolling to hear a reading or a message has your best interest in mind. People who are asking for your money or devotion or fear are acting like '00s chain emails with a weird veil of mysticism. Figure out your practice on your own.
there's so much to say here but the biggest takeaway i have is how social media gives too much of a platform for the embarrassing phases that young people go through. like in middle school my friend and i wrote fan fiction about a couple favorite book characters and acted like we were able to communicate with them and it wasn't serious, it was just silly imaginary stuff we trusted each other with. i think back on moments like that in my life and i feel so much mortification at the idea of putting it on tiktok or reels! i think it's important to remember for a lot of these people it's a phase, a fun thing that gives them a serotonin or dopamine boost, and the danger is that the social media feedback/validation loop might make that phase longer than it would be if they only had one friend to share their passion with.
This is such a good point. Well said. I am forever thankful social media wasn't around when I was in my teens.
This is why I don’t let my teens have TikTok!!!!
YOOOOO SAME HERE! I have such fond memories of that middle school time with my friend haha, we spent 2 whole years of middle school with this "play pretend" game where our favorite anime characters and ocs were real and we could talk with them and stuff, but obviously we kept it between us cause we knew that would be embarassing to air out XD even tho it was cringe, I remind it fondly cause we had a lot of fun and wrote so many fanfics and made so many drawings. But thank goodness it wasnt tik tok times, I'd feel absolutely dishelved and mortified if we had filmed and posted tik toks about that and it came to hunt us down later in life 😂
So much millennial cringe that thankfully can never haunt us. I feel bad for Gen Z and Alpha
Not to mention the worst part of it if you ask me is that once the phase is over it will still be up on the internet and they will never be able to live their lives as adults without people being able to look up their most embarrassing and cringey moments from high school and forever judge them for it.
Autistic witch here!! I can't properly put into words how much I appreciate the clarification about not all witches being included in this psychosis/main character syndrome. What a respectful, considerate babygirl 🥺 I love my dad and Cooper and NO other human man.
❤❤❤
Fellow autistic witch going crazy in the comments as cooper requested 19:16
Spiritual psychosis is such a loaded term. The actual definition is generally any spiritual belief that negatively affects your life, but a lot of people would just say that believing in spirituality at all is psychosis
I grew in an intensely mormon home and i just gotta say a big thanks Coop, for acknowledging that "christian" spiritual psychosis is on this same level of silly. Just like, actually way more dangerous because of the grip it has on the country. At least loki's wives aint out here passing legislation to commit cultural genocide 😗
I swr...same here. I'm a bisexual 21 yr old autistic cis female
...... like.... Christianity is just a backhand for brainwashing and Bullying people
I swr...same here. I'm a bisexual 21 yr old autistic cis female
...... like.... Christianity is just a backhand for brainwashing and Bullying people
I swr...same here. I'm a bisexual 21 yr old autistic cis female
...... like.... Christianity is just a backhand for brainwashing and Bullying people
@CarmellaDattilo read the room bruh
@CarmellaDattiloHow do you know your "one true God" is the real one true God over every other monotheistic religion's "One true God"?
I don't have a problem with people worshipping whatever deity they do choose, but there's no denying that people have twisted the meaning of the Bible and other religious texts to fit their own hateful, fearmongering agendas for literal centuries, and the people doing that have caused a lot of harm to the world and to God's children.
COOPER FEEDING US WELL 0:03 NOT BBL DRIZZY
NO WAYYY NCTZEN P1ECE???!!!
@@Seungmin_Salon YESS WAYY
From an occultist of over a decade, just my two cents:
1. Identifying deities by tarot is impossible. Every deity has so many combinations that cross over with deities from other pantheons that you simply cannot identify a single deity from a blind draw. Idgaf what anyone says, you're completely limited in your knowledge and deities are such vast entities that you don't know every side of a deity to identify them with cards. That's a scam. You're getting "Achilles for three people in a row" because that's all you know. That doesn't make it true.
2. Godspousing is similar to what nuns do. You devote yourself to your deity. You don't talk shit about how you're "walking away from her three times". That's not godspousing, that's delusion. Having a relationship with a deity requires work on both ends and if you're treating it as flippantly as that, you're gonna get your ass handed to you while the rest of us point and laugh when the deity has had enough of your shit. you're no godspouse, you're a joke.
3. If you're not ruling out the mundane before jumping to the spiritual, stop practicing. Period. You're too far lost in the sauce and no, seeing a single bee in the spring and summer doesn't mean Zeus is trying to contact you.
4. Those scam artists on TikTok with the "this is your sign for whatever" make my blood boil. They're complete trash. If they start out with that or give you those god-awful general readings that are literally just telling you what you want to hear to sucker you into paying for readings from them, or worse, trying to get clicks and views for telling you that your ex is coming back for the millionth time, they're complete trash. If you do collective readings, idc how accurate you think you are, you're feeding into issues and hurting people because these readings are so gd general that they're next to useless. The people telling you otherwise are people who are just looking for confirmation bias. If the reading isn't tailored to YOU specifically, cards pulled for only YOU, the reading is trash. That's basically a sun sign horoscope in the newspaper. Useless.
Honestly the only "practitioners" who would be mad about anything said in this video are people who probably shouldn't be practicing.
Love your response to the godspousery discussion. ❤
Glad I'm not the only one that thought of nuns during the godspousing part. 👍
Occultism is just a confused search for meaning. Do we apply any other 6000 year old knowledge to anything?
Thank you!! I wanted to say pretty much everything you said and I’m thankfull I didn’t have to lol
All of this, 100%
I'm myself not a Wicken, but most wicken I meet are usually way against these type of spells or any spells that cause harm or misfortune, most of them usually just chill and practice spells that promote healing or happiness, so it's insane to me seeing these people
Its spelt Wiccan
I’m Wicken all the candles that don’t have one yet
I don't know if you are joking or being completely serious...
Also, the religion of wicca is based on a sex cult founded by gerald gardner in the 50s which has been so inundated by culture vultures and spiritual karens that unless we have an existing connection I am simply not going near wiccans with a ten foot barge pole. And I do know what I'm on about because I used to be an initiated member of an alexandrian coven.
@@RandomSwiftie13 why wouldn't they be serious? Wiccans believe that everything you put out comes back trifold and you usually don't want triple curse yourself for everyone you basically curse with one tiktok. That would be quite a bit of bad luck and despair
Someone talking positively about spiritually and not judging the whole community based on bad examples/ people... I'm so fucking Happy 😭😭
Real bc I’m a spiritualist but I am NOT like that😭
I wish people had this mentality on a lot of other things. cant base a whole (genre?) of people based on a few bad apples.
The goku is god thing is one of the best memes Brasil has ever produced (right there on the top with confused Nazaré)
Cooper: WORSHIP HER
Sofia: [convulses]
Cooper have I got a story for you!
My now ex had issues with a stalker and her absolute favorite platform was tiktok.
This woman would see these videos and she fully believed them and used them as a large reason to continue to harass us.
I've wanted to post a video about it in the past and rant about it but I'm not entertaining and I am so glad you've made this video because Holy macaroni batman these tiktoks are so harmful!
OMG wow. + have a drink and you'll be funny, would be a great story.
Bella L
as someone with ocd that incorporates magical thinking (which is not a form of legit spirituality, it's more of a level of superstition that makes you obsessively think Bad Things Will Happen if you think about/see/do/don't do [x]) i really appreciate you calling out those psychic/tarot tiktoks that tell people not to scroll bc "it's destiny that you saw this video and here is what's going to happen to you/what you need to do." i have to scroll past them as fast as humanly possible and even then i Still have to do an ocd ritual to sort of "cleanse" my thoughts of what i saw/heard so the video doesn't "have its effect" on me even if i only saw 1 second of it. ocd is absurdly irrational unfortunately.
the grifters who make these tiktoks absolutely know that there are anxious people like me out there. the format of their videos alone show that they're banking on vulnerable people being unable to scroll past the video and getting sucked into their content (scam services). it's so gross
yeah, this is a huge part of my OCD too. in my mid 30s though and it has gotten better with therapy and medication etc I was very vulnerable to these things for a long time and it was so stressful and scary all the time. For me it was around numbers and signs I guess you could say.
Same here! Those videos infuriate me because even though I don't fall for it it still brings those intrusive thoughts back to the surface.
THIS. This is exactly what makes my blood boil about this predatory trash. I am privileged not to deal with a serious anxiety disorder, but I absolutely despise anyone who takes advantage of vulnerable people. Your experience is **exactly** why I have zero patience for this cra*p. Sending strength and fellowship your way 💜
Bonafide third degree High Priestess here. Professional Tarot Reader etc yada yada. People have begged me to do TikTok. I refuse because it bastardizes our practices and beliefs. These children with costumes making the videos are shameful and I want to shake them. I have my own store. If that girl were busy, she’d not have time to make these videos. People like this make my job harder because of the misinformation they spread. I’ve had scores of people per week come in and ask if they have a dark demon on them. They don’t. I prove to them they don’t and barely have to ask if they got the nonsense from a tiktok witch. They always admit it. Pop culture magick is NOT chaos magick. I could go on and on. But I won’t. Keep up the good work. We love you
When I was in the psych ward due to my first full blown manic episode, I met a girl with schizoaffective disorder who thought she was going to marry God so for years she was planning Heaven on Earth and threw away all her belongings, cut up her passport and all her IDs, deleted all of her accounts, like imagine living with that, it’s debilitating.
As a witch who worships loki and persephone my jaw DROPPED. We r on ur side 😭
You can worship both, you don't have to just worship one pantheon
Could u explain who it works???
how do you manage to worship both greek and norse gods?? also why are you writing their names like that? is it an invocation thing??
As a witch who’s been practicing for almost 10 years now…. These people are our version of born again Christians😂 every group has a sub group that the main group looks at like the red headed step child 😅
So real 😂
For real 🤣
We aren't claiming these people. It's about inner healing and getting in touch with nature and the elements.. not whatever this shit is
what's wrong with being a redhead?
@@beanb5391 if I'm understanding it correctly, I think it just mentions red hair in comparison to a family that presumably has a different hair color, indicating that the step child is different
Probably not an actual diss against red hair but idk
@@ek0dev mmm idk feels like a back handed thing lol. like nobody would say that about a child of different skin color than the family's.
Spiritually/beliefs = "It's not hurting anybody"
That's not true. It's a subject that shouldn't be taken lightly. Everyone knows stories about parents believing their kids are demons (or that they have "bad energies")... or, in other cases, not accepting medical help, because they believe gods or healers will cure them...
This just straight up sounds like limerence. And I don't say that from a place of judgement but from someone who also struggles with limerence from cPTSD. I just feel so much empathy for people needing to fill their lives with fantasy to survive because I have done so for a really long time. It's not your fault, you're doing your best but you deserve a life grounded in reality ❤
Everything is subjective WACKO
I feel you. Recovered from limerence after several years recently. Trying to heal and find my path to a healthy, grounded relationship someday
Whais limerance
@@gracehaven5459 I wish you all the best in your recovery and your road towards safe connections in reality ❤️
@@pinetreegreen3330 Limerence occurs when a person develops an obsessive attachment to someone. It may feel like a very intense form of being in love that may also feel irrational, intrusive, and involuntary. To the point that it can begin to impact daily functioning and consume all thought. It's theorised that it's caused by insecure attachments with others/trauma/childhood developmental issues. It's "safer" to romanticise someone who will likely never outright reject you/abandon you, instead of seeking out real yet terrifying connections.
Ngl I thought you were gonna bash wiccan/pagan practices and tarot readings but you explained things correctly and very respectfully! Tarot readings simply cannot be done through/over video/the phone. Thank you!! Sincerely, ya local wiccan
This tiktok stuff really reminds me of the psychic readings they used to advertise on tv at certain hours of the day XD
@@magnus1383 Ms. Cleo had ALL the answers. (For $5 a minute, of course)
how do you go about learning things about wiccan practice/culture? everything's been so muddied w modern witchcraft and i rlly need advice ):
@@nicopuriiiwiccan IS the most common modern witchcraft practice. Also please inform yourself about the origins of wicca and its roots in cultural appropriation, distortion of ancient magic systems and other very problematic things. There are other paths
i love when he gives hyperspecific shoutouts because they're funny as hell when it's not directed at you but i'm an autistic witch and felt so seen and appreciated when he shouted us out in this one
never change, coop, never change
Yo thanks for being respectful about spirituality! I'm a pagan and witchtok creeps me tf out usually, so exploitative towards young people with spiritual interests and people with mental health issues.
Norse pagan btw, and yeah Tom Hiddleston is pretty hot and a great Marvel character, but jesus christ people it's not the same as the Norse god.
This type of stuff triggered my OCD SO bad when I was into it
Same, using that kid of stuff instead of therapy was not the best choice
This type of "religion" is inherently predatory.
as someone who practices witchraft (yes im a witch) and i'm also autistic xD (witchcraft is my special interest too, ask me anything). this sort of people make me lose my shit, its not only giving us a bad rep, but also its just wrong, like believe what you want but this doesn't seem okay to me (ive seen some weird shit). thank you for what you said. here just a quick rundown of these things from my perspective. Pop culture witchcraft is a thing but usually includes using symbols from shows or even certain phrases, but its not as widely spread and agreed upon from what i know and has been twisted, the deities i dont fully believe in, but believe whatever you want. god spousing is very controversial to some people, i work with around 6 deities and have a different vibe with all of them (motherly vibe, friendly vibe, etc.) but never romantic, i think everyone has a different experience with deities but spousing has alwasy been icky to me. lastly i HATE people who use spirituality to take advantage of people. also beware of misinformation on witchtok which i have seen a lot of, so be careful. again just my personal opinion. thank you cooper for trying to be respectful, but dont worry most of us don't exactly like poeple who say stuff like this, and some of them probably need profesional help, but i agree with what you said.
Not to be mean or anything but how do you know your a witch?
@@josiageorge3527 you don't "know" whether or not you're a witch. Witchcraft, as the name implies, is a craft that involves one's dedication, intent and cultivated skill that can be learned and improved upon, kind of like crocheting (but more spiritually significant if that makes sense)
@@josiageorge3527 i practice witchcraft that means i'm a witch, it's that simple
@@josiageorge3527its the same way a person who practices christianity calls themself christian, being a witch means you follow/devote yourself to witchcraft. its not like crazy powers you’re born with or whatever media portrays it as, hope this helps
this this this ! ! witchcraft is also my special interest too ! ! i was so happy to see this
You called out autistic witches 3x times so that means I am now godspousing you because obviously thats a sign you are calling to me 😂 you did great video dude. You are absolutely right, keep the good work.
"These girls...and Dwayne" cracked me up 😂
honestly these are just the kinds of little fantasies we would have as middle school girls. but we didn't have tiktok back then and millions of people online to comment on our delusions 😅
Witchcraft is very much real and you can get jailed for it here
I tried to turn myself into a mermaid as a kid
okay so is it a "little fantasy" or a "delusion"
@8randnewcity it can be either for some people. Things can start out as a little fantasy that turn into delusions as they progress further
Also, most of us grew out of that. These people clearly never did.
There is no better way to end an AP exam then watching a film Cooper video ❤❤❤
Omg I just got out of an AP exam too
Congrats on finishing your exam and I hope it went well! ❤
Same. I took Lang. What did you guys take?
WHAP?? i was supposed to take it today (but it got rescheduled because of wi-fi issues)
Congrats to all you folks who finished their AP exams! That's awesome!!
Okay but Sophia coming back to give you a lil kiss is so cute 😭🥹🤭💓
Bruh, these people make practicing pagans a really bad name
Edit; as a Norse Pagan, interacting with the Gods is fucking terrifying.
As a Hellenist I'm very worried how the concept of pop culture deities might hurt pagans' reputations. Now I say live and let live so I don't think folks who participate in that practice should be villainized outright (esp if it is psychosis), and if it is beneficial to the person's life. But it's very hard for pagans to be openly religious bc the response to "I worship Apollo" usually isn't "Oh cool, I respect you" but instead "THAT silly story???" I'm worried that pop culture deities as a concept will exacerbate the issue.
Also I wonder if the novelty of worship seems to be more appealing than genuine devotion. Like Cooper mentioned, the "exoticness" of the Egyptian pantheon being it's draw (keep in mind Kemetism IS an open practice but treating it as this "shiny new thing" is not respectful).
Can I come up with a fix to that? No. But I think it's a problem worth mentioning.
Lastly I want to add there is NOTHING WRONG with raising concerns about someone's mental health in and outside of the context of religion, when it comes from a place of sincerity and not just making fun. I say this as a person with CPTSD who has auditory and some sensory hallucinations. I've personally found that Hellenism actually helps me with this and doesn't make the issue worse, which is I think a good way to measure if a practice is helpful or harmful.
Idk who'll read this but hey at least it'll help Coop's vid in the algorithm! Love your vids man
Χαίρετε, may we all have peace. 🍉
I second this, also as a Pan-Hellenist. Christian culture has seeped into the secular background, but it has made villains of every other pantheon - making them demons, real people of some repute, or transforming them into saints. The Bible is more or less taken quite literally and then that bleeds over to all other mythology. People assume the worst when particularly Gods are mentioned. Zeus and Apollon the most. They aren't web-cartoon or book characters. There might be a link somewhere between the pop culture crossover in that way, but other questions and discussions would have to be had. Also I swear if I have to hear about Madeline Miller one more time...
@@lavendershadows4370 That's a really good point to add. It's very hard to be openly religious when our gods are equated to their myths (which are allegorical, and many of the poems were criticized, etc etc) or demeaned to be just pop culture references.
One thing that stuck with me in a different conversation about this was the idea that the gods are old and vast, and many folks get that feeling when in worship. But Hatsune Miku... not so much. The gods are part of nature itself, it's a beautiful thing, and I hope one day we'll be able to socially progress enough to return to being open about our beliefs.
@@crackheadadventures I agree. I am old™️ so I understand the 'main character' aspect of what I presume are teenagers. I was that edgy kid once, thankfully there was no tiktok back then, our group would be wild. They might want to feel special and loved. I don't doubt their faith, even for their pop culture focus, but they're not finished cooking in the brain yet lol. They don't have the depth of understanding yet, which no one can change because that comes with age. They also perhaps don't realize yet that they are special and loved just by their mere existence; that even strangers do want the best for them. Until it's not harmless, I say let them have their spiritual fun. This will hopefully expand their depth of self and understanding, even if in the end they move on from it like a phase. Nothing and no one stays the same. 💜
@@lavendershadows4370 That is a very nice message, I like that. I agree that they definitely believe it, but perhaps might move on from it. But was super cool to see a fellow Hellenist in Coop's comments! Gods bless ♥
@@crackheadadventures Thank you! May the Theoi and Apollon smile upon you, my friend. 🙏
my best friend since childhood has OCD and i genuinely believe that videos like these are what caused her obsessions to turn away from cleanliness and towards boys. those "he'll break up with you if you don't like this" posts target people like her and intensify the natural insecurities of young teenagers.
100% as someone with OCD those videos DO target us and our paranoia. It's super messed up and difficult to remind yourself that it isn't true.
As a spiritualist and tarot reader, I’m always questioning whether I’m losing my mind or not, whether I’m educated enough or not, or if if elements of my practice are problematic or not, if I should even be a reader or not. This video makes me feel a whole lot better about myself and my practice, but also makes me really sad to see how genuinely psychotic and manipulative and colonized whitchtok is… it’s one of the biggest things holding me back from expanding my business. I don’t want to be an authority, or sell an image, I just want to do the things I love.
The pop culture deity and godspousing thing reminds me of when I maladaptively daydreamed 4th-6th grade that Bill Cipher was real, planning to take over the world, and in love with me. Really, though, it was to cope with how outcasted and alone I felt. I'm autistic and severely mentally ill, and even back then, I was horribly mentally ill and traumatized and desperately needed to feel like someone cared. The maladaptive daydreams did do that, but it also put me in very harmful mindsets. It did a lot of bad, but in a way, it also kept me going. It's strange.
Lmao same here. Went through a lot of trauma. But now I'm on meds and my therapist said as long as I'm aware none of my "fantasy worlds" are real and it doesn't hinder me in my life i can do whatever i want in my head 🤷♀️ there are worse way to cope I'd reckon.
The “oh my god Persephone” while arching his back had me in absolute shambles 💀🙏🏻
As a practicing witch myself, there are many things in the witchtok community that I've never understood, like many others. The things you mentioned in this video, I completly agree. Some of these things are horrendous. From saying they have catched & trapped deitied or demons to using the terms 'starseed' and 'indigo child' to say people, with disabilities and health conditions, have their disabilites or conditions for a special reason. Theres also dimenison or reality jumping which is another strange one
Hey Film Cooper your moonlight tarot card proposal was beautiful but I'm just not ready for the commitment hope we can still be parasocial friends ❤
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So many thoughts on the god spousing thing. First off that there’s very little historical evidence that it ever really existed.
Nuns are often referred to as “brides of christ” in the catholic religion due to the vow of celibacy they take and the intense devotion they have to serving their religion. It’s a lot more of a metaphor than an actual marriage contract.
In many ancient religions (specifically ones related to hinduism) there was a ritual known as Hierogamy which was a very metaphoric ritual between a priest or priestess and a god. These s*xual rituals were performed as a way of blessing the land for fertility and were done for the benefit of entire societies as the people involved were most often very highly ranked individuals in the religion (think a bishop or even the pope). These people dedicated their entire lives to their work and often lived at the temple they served
My biggest issue is that we most often see modern ‘godspoucing’ is how historically and spiritually unbased it is, based on my research i haven’t been able to find a SINGLE piece of historical evidence showing god spousing within any hedonistic religion. That includes norse mythology.
TDLR; Modern god spousing is such a bastardized interpretation of ancient religious practices that’s usually applied in religions it has literally zero historical basis being in and it pisses me off
Your comment sparked an interest in me, and I've spent the past three hours delving the internet for examples, or really anything related to, specifically, the idea of current "godspouceing," (GSing from here on). So, heres the thing. There are a looot of examples of different cultures *specifically* marrying a god/deity. While i dont think this makes the current idea of GSing healthy, or really based on a lot of spiritual background(for the average individual on tiktok), this does show that the idea of marrying an esoteric being has been around across both varrying cultures and history. Its a really interesting topic, and i had a lot of fun researching it. If you want some specific examples, look up the "spirit spouceing" article on wikipedia. It doesnt go into a ton of detail for individual instances on the page itself(it does source stuff though, and google is your friend), and about half of the examples given are not centered around "gods," specifically, but its a great place to start for a wonderfully interesting rabbit hole! Have fun learning!
hello! i am a babywitch (witch who is newish to the community). these people are usually people under 18 or who are very vulnerable mentally, and i went through a 'spiritual psychosis' aged 16 :( it gets so unbelievably bad with people pushing others into severe delusions and just furthering people's mental illnesses. i was completely convinced that my favourite character from my favourite show was deeply in love with me for YEARS and it completely ruined my views on dating, my friendships, and quite a big chunk of my life. i think tiktok spirituality is the absolute worst
girl if you think you’re a witch you’re still going through psychosis 💀
Oh man this reminds me of The Snape Wives from the tumblr era…Middle aged women who believed they were married to Severus Snape on the astral plane. Wild times.
A few months ago, I was half asleep. And I texted my friend "I'd be a better wife than Zeus". The god-spousing part reminded me of that. I don't remember typing that LMFAO
I think most people would make a better wife than Zeus 😂
I mean
You wouldn't be entirely wrong 😂😂
The homeboy who married Persephone read "Touch of Darkness" and made it his personality.
Watching the popular-culture deity section was insane. I have ADHD, and was unmediated for a good chunk of my teens, during which time i had some overwhelming, insane obsessions with a couple of dead musicians, and even though I hadn’t heard of this concept my actions on occasion did kind of come close?? I never genuinely believed they were gods or that I could talk to them or anything, but there were times where I was so obsessed I just needed some way of releasing emotions beyond what words could do, and turned to some witchy shit. There was a time semi-recently, even with my medication, where I could not stop thinking about this one musician, and my emotions about him were so strong and overwhelming, that in order to get to sleep that night I ended up writing his name on a rolling paper and eating it. I don’t know why. nobody told me to, it just felt right. I needed a way to physically process it all, like to give myself permission to move on or something. Point is I understand what its like to have too many feelings about someone who is more like a concept than a person to you, and not having a way to process them, but seeing the tick-over between coping and entering delusion was kind of insane. very thankful i stayed humble enough to not genuinely BELIEVE i could coerce some guy into possessing me so he could write music again, or whatever it was that i wanted, but if i had somebody on tiktok giving me a tutorial, best believe little me would have tried