I had a paid-for legit copy of CS3 and was happy with it, but then Adobe shut down their activation service and made my software unusable. They were forcing me to use their subscription model, and that was my breaking point. Adobe can go f itself.
@@ArseniKatsela Unfortunately we are going to see a lot more of it Sony with the PS5 announced a bit ago that games purchased are not yours and they hold the right to delete them from the console. I think the USfed needs to step in before it becomes a trend. Just as we have the right to repair we should have the right to own but its all about laws catching up
Correct, art does not have a monopoly, it's an experience. It's why people still enjoy it and want to defend its value, why we hate people who don't understand and want to destroy it
@@kaushalsuvarna5156 For me, Krita is great, very user friendly, very cheap, very accessable on almost any platform and there's a free version of it and still gets constant updates with a RUclips channel that goes over them in detail.
@@kaushalsuvarna5156Hi, some great free options are Gimp and Krita, I've been using Gimp for years so its my preference, but Krita is more set up for artists. Clip Studio is also very popular among artists, and doesnt seem to have these exploitative business practices
@@ArseniKatselayou're right to leave. That being said, if you are still willing to do art, Clip Studio Paint has a massive sale right now. No monthly subscription required. No mess. Just the licence, one time. I'm not affiliated. I just understand what you're going through and I want to help you continue to make great videos
Well, I paid for Adobe programs almost 10 years ago. I was on a student plan and suddenly started to wonder where all my money was going. Turned out my student plan had ended and they didn't notify me (or maybe I just didn't notice?) before starting to charge the normal price, which was 60€ extra per month. It was a lot of money to me back then so I tried cancelling it. Had to pay almost 300€ to do that. Needless to say I've been using alternatives since because I felt absolutely betrayed.
The worst part of this is Adobe doesn’t notify you when you plan is coming to it’s end.. you have to cancel it at least 3 weeks before or it will subscribe automatically again for 1 year..
FOSS (Free and Open Source Software) alternatives: Gimp (Photo Editing), Krita (Painting/Drawing), Inkscape (Vector), By using and supporting FOSS we can ensure the continuity of Software made to cater to the final user and not the corporate powers that be.
I definitely would love to see a massive support to these apps like it was with Blender, right now it's a great and free product that's almost became a standard in the 3D industry!
@@ArseniKatsela Luckily, for me Affinity are relatively local (Nottingham) and a family firm. I have transferred to them. I prefer to support small, local business.
I've been using CSP for years now. I'm hoping that their animation features will grow with time. But for illustrators, it's a solid piece of software and very much worth the price.
I was struggling financially and wanted to cancel my PS, “monthly subscription”. I cancelled, not knowing they would charge me the REMAINING months subscription and immediately cancel my use of Adobe the second I cancelled. I contacted, clearly anger, because I was now -$75 in my account. The person talking to me was so lifeless and didn’t care that my reason for cancelling was I couldn’t afford it. I pointed out how messed up it is to even offer that as a reason why you are cancelling and then turn around and charge the remaining months sub fee and then not even allow me to use the product when I have very clearly paid for it. They refunded me my money and nothing more. My partner still uses Adobe even though he owns CSP. But claims CSP isn’t the same. 🙄 He’s right. It’s better. I want to be done with that crappy shady company.
Woow! This is a horrible story! The worst part is that they know what they're doing.. And I really don't want to be in this support person's shoes. How is it possible mentally to do that job while you know everything that company is doing to their customers?
Thankfully I predicted Adobe's scummyness and jumped to Krita, it has been hard to adapt for a while, but after you beat Krita to a shape you are confortable with is a pleasure of a workspace. Full of options, customizable and with a powerful brush engine. And free!
I use Krita. It has a bit of a learning curve but once you are familiar with it, it's quite good to use. Plenty of Krita tutorial videos in YT to help you.
Best free painting software: - Krita (layer structure are weird) (FOSS) - FireAlpaca (excellent, especially for mangaka) Best perpetual license: - Paint tool SAI v2 (Very fast, reasonable price) - FireAlpaca SE (Steam version, not much added tool compare to free version but this is the way you can support devs) - CSP (you have to stay online or CSP won't work) Best free photo editor: - RawTherapee (support wide range of RAW formats) - GIMP (some bugs but I hope it will get fix soon) (FOSS) Best Vector drawing: - Inkscape (FOSS) Best PDF viewer: - Okular (FOSS) Best image viewer: - XnView MP (very powerful, support .exr, .tiff,...)
the only reason i use photoshop and illustrator (pirated) is because most jobs in the related field require it. When i tell them i use affinity they look at me like a deer in headlights because they either dont know what affinity is/ its not good enough. its dumb you cant really win them over with alternatives unless they understand how bs it is also, i had to clean up my pc of ALL its documents onto a usb drive just to get the apps on my pc where they now house the majority of my storage
I think that it will change over time! I worked at jobs where PS was the only thing they allow to use (because the company only have the Adobe license). At other companies I was told like "we don't care what you're using, just get the work done properly". The most hard part of all of it is to convince CEO's of the companies that it's not the only option on the market and definitely not the transparent one. I've actually saw a video on LMG Clips channel about how Adobe let companies to increase users number in the Adobe's company plan, BUT they use the same trick with the companies as they do with the simple users. They DON'T write ANYTHING about that if the company will need to decrease the number of users (if somebody got fired) - they just can't do it until the license of this exact user will expire within one year. So the company should pay the whole period even if nobody is using this "seat".
I partly blame ourselves. We are the ones who have helped propagate the term “photoshopped”, and made it equivalent to sucessfully make a picture look great. A number of years ago I started using the term “photo manipulation” instead, but must admit that customers don’t understand it in the same way.
The three big rules when dealing with Adobe: Don't give them money. Never let ANY of their software connect to the network unless it strictly has to. Be prepared to burn whatever you pay them with if you break rule number 1.
Gimp and Krita are free to download and use. Gimp is basically PS and a little more user-friendly. Krita is better for actual drawing, but lacks some of Gimp's more user-friendly color features. A friend of mine recently told me Adobe is going so far as to threaten fines and imprisonment for old copies of their software. These are legit copies, but outdate. There's always a free alternative. =)
You're totally right! For the price (which is 0$) these apps are great alternatives :) Also I hope they wouldn't go so far because a lot of people still using it and they will suffer because they bought and used an official license
Support Free and Open Source Software or Perpetual License (offline) ❤ Online, subscription and cloud based are scary, they could just stop access or service whenever they want, and we left with nothing 😢 Btw, CSP need to be online each x days, to verify our license... If we stay offline, we can't access it, since they can't re-verify our license. Hopefully people start supporting FOSS program (like blender, krita, inkscape, etc) so they can catch up with industry standard and we don't have to worry and have back up program.
This, idk why those companies say you can "buy" their software, but in reality we are only renting it, it doesn't make any sense to me. If I wanna buy it, it means that I own the software and can do with it whatever I want till the day I want. upgrade it or change it, only if I want to do it.
@hectorruiz5270 Fully agree with you, I want to own stuff I buy! The same going on with video games, more and more companies starting saying that players don’t own anything and “asking” for a subscription model
@@ArseniKatsela yes, we need more offline app like back then. There are too many software tha are using subscription, and online cloud based, I don't like it
@@hectorruiz5270 yeah it feels like scam, we buy it, but we need to be online, must be in that platform, renting license (when it's said "buy") and it's drm... Just say rent, don't dilute or muddying "buy" word, unfortunately many companies does that The only silver lining is FOSS , it's like old software, where we own our software, we need to support it so it doesn't become dead project. 😞 And hopefully can stop compromising/ supporting the subscription based where they can just cut off our program whenever they want
I was a longtime PS user. It was my first Painting software ever. Now I cancelled my adobe subscription last week. It makes me angry and sad how corporate greed destroyed a great programm. (Yes PS has its weakpoints but so has any other artporgramm) I sorta saw it coming too and slowly made the switch to CSP over the last year or so. As well as Affinity suite for grapgic design. ^^
Glad I stopped using Adobe since 2019 after I graduated. The subscription system and costs are ridiculous. I now use both the Affinity programs and Medibang Paint Pro. And with how Adobe is promoting their AI ""art"" features and dealings, they've really gone off the deep end. I feel like they don't care about the love and creation for art anymore. Glad so many people are abandoning the Adobe ship. They're in for a rude awakening, realizing that they're no longer the big boys around and it's all their own fault.
I totally agree with you! And you've made a great choice of apps you're using :) Right now I see a lot more awakened creators, who start to see the whole situation and it's great in my opinion!
I knew it. Even large artists like Lavendertowne, Mohammed Abgadi, Louixie, Tenelle Flowers Even Northflowo and so many more use stuff like Clipstudio, Paint tool Sai, Fire Alpaca and heck, even Toon Boom isn't as shady as Adobe! Im currently using Fire Alpaca for animation and drawing, and I've done decent. If i get money, Id get Clip Studio and Toon Boom IMMEDIATELY.
Cancel fees have always been greedy. There's no need for them at all if you're leaving. I used Premiere pro off and on and the cancel fees have always gotten in the way since payments are automatic and I have to cancel myself. Sometimes I miss the automatic date and get stuck for another month, or simply need extra money to cancel. 40 monthly, plus 20 to stop = 60 right now. I switched to Davinci, Photoshop to Krita, and Gimp does the same. Realized using Adobe was just a brand hold.
The same here! I’ve chosen Davinci Resolve over Premiere and this is a whole other world - free version does mostly everything and the paid is one time payment, I think it’s great 😊
Was kind surprised to see you practice on Joshua Bridgman's stuff. Mostly because I did the same thing on paper month or so ago, although I'm just a beginner. About Adobe: only find alternatives or, at the very least, use a BETTER version of their products ;-)
I love Bridgeman's construction and also interpretation of him by TenTen (you can find him on Artstation)! Right now I'm getting used to CSP, it takes a bit of time and practical tasks, but as far as I can see right now - it's great for my kind of work :)
I REALLY don’t like drawing in photoshop. Idk what it is, but the problems I notice with it are multiplied by Adobe’s business practices. Rebelle is on sale, I feel weightless when I use it, and, it’s a one time purchase that’s on sale right now. That’s one less adobe program I’m using.
Went to cancel and decided to pay the cancellation fee because it wasn't *that* big - I got offered FREE 2 MONTHS to stop me from leaving. I went to research if that comes with strings attached. And I had to go do that on my own because there isn't a single disclaimer or link on the offer that tells you. It does come with strings attached - IF YOU ACCEPT THE FREE 2 MONTHS YOU ARE EXTENDING THE SUB FOR ANOTHER YEAR.
I literally have only one experience with (any version of) Adobe Photoshop. All I needed to do was open an image, perform some minor exposure adjustments (e.g. curves) and save a new copy, but for the life of scouring the menubar I just _could not_ find any recognizable command to perform that one simple task. Unfortunately, my anecdote is too old to remember much in the way of specific details. It _might_ have been when nondestructive "adjustment layers" were still a new feature.
The only thing that keeps me using Adobe Suite is all the plugins I have that makes my workflow so much smoother.. especially with After Effects, there is no replacement for this especially when it comes to motion design and motion graphics
remembering the time 4 years ago when i thought I'd eventually upgrade to adobe products in my creative journey. now I don't really know what to do but I'm loving blender
I've not long started my 'career' in graphic design: Just finished the education and not yet professional in practice (i.e. earning) but professional in set-up (e.g. profile, website etc.). Having a bad experience near the end I had only the previous month renewed the annual subscription before deciding not to continue in graphic design at all, so I wanted to cancel Adobe altogether. In the live chat they were offering me several free months after they had reluctantly agree to cancel my membership with full refund. They wanted to keep my money even though my annual membership would be cancelled with 10 months still to run. So I simply argued with them and said I wanted to go to their competitor (literally using those words, so they knew why I was leaving). After about an hour of trying to sell shampoo to a bald man, they agreed the full refund and cancellation. The following week was the big "terms & conditions" story about Adobe using your images for free. It just confiemed my decision to leave graphic design, although I have calmed down and returned but bought Affinity.
I think because my family was so poor that my two dreams were epically held back for YEARS tho I started as a teenaged I am now almost 40. One was the practices from Adobe and the other was from Maya.
@@ArseniKatsela it is a scam because they offered the perpetual license, promised you would not need to buy anything else, people got it and then later they switched to a subscription model out of the blue, making the perpetual license obsolete and if you want any of the "new" features that are not new really since Adobe Animate already had most.of those features, Clip Studi was just lacking. So yeah its a scam, not as big a scam as Adobe, but hardly a good alternative if what you are looking at is to ditch Adobe for their business practices.
@gabrielWachong I respect your position! However I now use a perpetual license and it has all the functions I need and I don’t need to buy any subscription
@@ArseniKatsela you probably don't need all the functions, but that makes you a minority aa a profesional animator, since many of those features are basic for Adobe Animate. In any case it is not a good replacement for Adobe, neither in features nor on business practices. I too own a perpetual licence for Clip Studio and it is worthless to me without the features of the paid subscription, so now I paid Clip Studio but also need to pay Adobe or start paying subscription to Clip for a sub par product when compared to Adobe.
But yeah Photoshop was my main tool between 2011-2018. 18s when I got an iPad and started drawing on that one instead. I was using medibang on there, though I recently found out they have sus data collection so now I'm trying to move over to roughAnimator since it's made by a single guy and not a company. It can't do any painting only drawing but I like drawing more anyhow
adobe (and almost all other software companies) views their customer base with the same contempt as a con man has for their victims. this is the way they've been for decades. open source programs may not be as sexy, but they honestly treat their customers as if the need them...
@@WolfJarl I can relate 😅 In this kind of situations I try to recognize which app is more convenient in my particular type of work (what features you 100% will use) and it’s much easier to decide 😊
Funny, i remember dropping clip studio paint flr procreate because they announced they were gojng subscription model, so did they go back on what they said ? Because almost no one seems to acknowledge their scummy business decision back in 2022 Either way im sticking to procreate because its better than both of them
They still offer perpetual licenses on major releases. They offer an optional subscription if you want the little updates in between. I currently have the sub. It's cheaper than perpetual licensing, at around $11 USD/year. It's comparable to one month of Adobe's photography plan.
I use Krita for my drawing and painting. I left CSP when updates stopped being free and Krita got better. I will probably start paying a few dollars worth of money a year to contribute to the development as time is not free for developers even on free software.
In my opinion adobe fresco and photoshop where such good drawing programs and bow adobe fresco which can be free unless you pay for extra stuff. probably its gonna force you to pay monthly or yearly (I got a photoshop add after this)
I used to use pirated SAI and when I decided to try an actual paid one I was between Adobe and CSP, I did my research and I swear every single time it just gets worse for Adobe. Now that I heard about all the issues with the IAs its just... yucky. So glad I bought my license for CSP 2 years ago, it's the best investment I have made for my art.
I just bought a new license for CSP. I already have CSP 1 license, but the upgrade price is too high, so I'd rather buy new one lol. I wish flash is still a thing, especially in the macromedia flash mx era. There was a dedicated software to read flash files to both play games or watch animations. Such a dreamy time.
@@dreamingacacia Yes, it was! We should now try to find this feeling of fun which we felt while doing the stuff we love! Even if this feeling is subtle and even if we have a very limited time to do this stuff. It can seem like a waste of time, but with those little steps done everyday (even a 5 minutes sketch is great!) you'll start to notice that you feel fulfilled more often. Bit by bit this feel will start to improve your life and therefore the life of others! I believe that this is the only way we can make the world a better place ☺
@@ArseniKatsela I couldnt access PS at first place .It was already to tight of an model for me and my budget.I tried it for a month to edit some photos but then they wouldnt even let me pay for the subscribtion.Clip studio was the right thing after all
Actually didn't realise there was a credit system with their AI nonsense - in software you pay a monthly fee for!? And then they have the audacity to steal YOUR artwork to train THEIR AI that YOU only have limited access to!? I've been using photoshop since version 3 (or 2, can't remember lol, it was the version that first introduced the ''Undo'' feature, yep, Undo was a novelty at one point) and never thought this company would fall so low. Hit the high seas I reckon, or better still, use open source, or pay less shady companies.
Krita is a great app :) Draw for your soul and draw what you like and results and knowledge will come unexpectedly! This is what I've learned and it's the best thing that's working! Wish you all the best! :)
Adobe has really positioned itself as a corporation software and left the consumer market. I use it at work but when I setup a personal account I realized how unfriendly and cost prohibitive it is.
What is worse is the new terms of service you cannot refuse which gives A*shatdobe the right to train their AI on your creative works. Apparently, what is theirs is theirs, and what is yours is also theirs.
My own experience with Adobe products? _None!_ Never wanted to pay three figures when photoshop was a one-off payment. When they moved to a subscription model, I thought that was even more of a ripoff. (Ditto for Lightroom when I got into photography) Adobe's current shenanigans are shocking, but not entirely surprising. I limped along with free or very cheap software: GIMP on PC and Artflow on my Samsung Tab S7+. I currently use Clip Studio Paint for Android. Yeah, it's a subscription too, but _much_ less grasping than Adobe. (What was it? Something like £20 a year? So little that I barely worry about it.) I use that for tweaking jpeg photos too, but if I ever get around to getting that laptop and pen display setup I've been thinking of, I'll probably get Affinity for editing RAW photo files. Oh, and use that copy of Rebelle 7 I bought but have nothing to run on just yet...
Truth, it's hard to make a change on the typical companies level. I've actually saw a video on LMG Clips channel about how Adobe let companies to increase users number in the Adobe's company plan, BUT they use the same trick with the companies as they do with the simple users. They DON'T write ANYTHING about that if the company will need to decrease the number of users (if somebody got fired) - they just can't do it until the license of this exact user will expire within one year. So the company should pay the whole period even if nobody is using this "seat".
Can corporations even leave Adobe? A company sends files to a press. Can the press even accept non-adobe files. Something can be lost in translation if files are created in non-adobe software. It's been a long time since I worked in the arts field.
Cancelled some weeks ago my several years long, all apps subscr to CC (since 2016) . Used cdrom based ccs3-6 earlier, when you actually owned what you paid a steep price for. Should have cancelled the subscription much earlier. I've paid them a shitload of money over these years and now the greedy fuckers tried to hit me with 200 dollar cancellation fee. No way. I just changed my plan to only photoshop and then used the 14 day money back guarantee to cancel. Out of subscription hell for free, as it should be. Now it is affinity and davinci resolve all the way. Adobe - greedy shitty company.
I had photo shop for 9 month and really liked it for the ai. Stable diffusion in comfui etc. frustrated me. But tricking me into an yearly subscription shocked me. No sketchy website has succeeded in that before... So goodbye Adobe
I've got in this trap twice :) But I really don't like companies who use this kind of shadow marketing, it means that they don't care about a customer, so I did the same as you and left!
Better start reading their license. If you use their software and one day you stop doing so, stop paying, you got to get rid of all work you did, you cannot sell those artworks/designs you did in past. You got to remove them from selling your work. If customers got your work, they got to get rid of them too. If you use the A.I in their software and it's stability a.i, you're screwed because that's exactly what they are doing. Start reading their terms. It will affect you in the future.
I think you need to read your replies because they are pretty important for what you’re doing Adobe legally owns everything you make in it as per their terms of service and if you stop paying you legally aren’t allowed to use what you have created, any customers you have can’t even keep what you have sold them either
@@SoloAnima1 Not at all actually- if you ever actually sat down and read the original TOS that made artists butthurt you'd know this. They even had to dumb down the TOS for people. The Adobe cloud needs clear wording to allow users to use it between programs- Adobe mentions them needed to use your data in the event you're transferring cloud files to any of their other services. On top of that there have been reports of pedos using photoshop and generative fill to hide the faces of victims... you're telling me you don't want adobe to investigate these claims and put people behind bars? Additionally, NDAs are a thing and since photoshop is still the standard for most graphic design and illustration, it's illegal for them to own your work. You really need to stop reading 1-2 headlines and freaking out. Many people have already reported everything I'm saying. Go learn.
I know learning a new toolset can be hard, but I urge you to please try. Adobe's been pushing customers further and further for years, and their latest EULA changes give the rights to use your art without you knowing. We can't trust them.
@@marenjones6665 I use CSP, Photoshop, Procreate and Blender in my workflow- Photoshop still feels the best comparatively. I'm not about to up end my commissions because the hivemind is a little booty hurt at Adobe.
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I had a paid-for legit copy of CS3 and was happy with it, but then Adobe shut down their activation service and made my software unusable. They were forcing me to use their subscription model, and that was my breaking point. Adobe can go f itself.
It's really horrible! That really shows their relationships with customers
Fine a crack for the program. I’ve been using a cracked version of CS3 for years now. I bought it, I get to keep it.
they did that with my cs 6 -_- fucking hate adobi
It’s really sad, I don’t understand how it’s possible to block officially purchased products
@@ArseniKatsela Unfortunately we are going to see a lot more of it Sony with the PS5 announced a bit ago that games purchased are not yours and they hold the right to delete them from the console. I think the USfed needs to step in before it becomes a trend. Just as we have the right to repair we should have the right to own but its all about laws catching up
I'd say it's been long over-due for Artists to dump Photoshop, there's plenty of good alternative art programs out there.
I agree with you! It's finally a time when there are a ton of strong competitors who actually listen to their main audience!
Correct, art does not have a monopoly, it's an experience. It's why people still enjoy it and want to defend its value, why we hate people who don't understand and want to destroy it
Can you share a few, I plan to start doing some light digital work and don't want to use Adobe because of all this
@@kaushalsuvarna5156 For me, Krita is great, very user friendly, very cheap, very accessable on almost any platform and there's a free version of it and still gets constant updates with a RUclips channel that goes over them in detail.
@@kaushalsuvarna5156Hi, some great free options are Gimp and Krita, I've been using Gimp for years so its my preference, but Krita is more set up for artists. Clip Studio is also very popular among artists, and doesnt seem to have these exploitative business practices
I love how professional artists are using their platform to fight corporate bullshittery.
I want people to know my experience and experience of others! So they will be aware of everything that's going on. Thank you for your support!
@@ArseniKatselayou're right to leave. That being said, if you are still willing to do art, Clip Studio Paint has a massive sale right now. No monthly subscription required. No mess. Just the licence, one time.
I'm not affiliated. I just understand what you're going through and I want to help you continue to make great videos
I totally agree!! I also ditched adobe two weeks ago, after 20 years of use (i'm not a pro though). But my privacy matters to me
@@InfluHamster I think it’s a great choice 😊
Yep, I dropped Adobe entirely around 6 months ago and opted to go in fully with Clip Studio, also got Affinity apps too
I think it's a great decision :)
Well, I paid for Adobe programs almost 10 years ago. I was on a student plan and suddenly started to wonder where all my money was going. Turned out my student plan had ended and they didn't notify me (or maybe I just didn't notice?) before starting to charge the normal price, which was 60€ extra per month. It was a lot of money to me back then so I tried cancelling it. Had to pay almost 300€ to do that. Needless to say I've been using alternatives since because I felt absolutely betrayed.
Sounds very harsh! I'm glad you decided to use other software! I think you've made a right choice :)
The worst part of this is Adobe doesn’t notify you when you plan is coming to it’s end.. you have to cancel it at least 3 weeks before or it will subscribe automatically again for 1 year..
@@Akaisensoo I think this should be regulated by lawб because it's a very shady practice!
FOSS (Free and Open Source Software) alternatives: Gimp (Photo Editing), Krita (Painting/Drawing), Inkscape (Vector),
By using and supporting FOSS we can ensure the continuity of Software made to cater to the final user and not the corporate powers that be.
I definitely would love to see a massive support to these apps like it was with Blender, right now it's a great and free product that's almost became a standard in the 3D industry!
same here dude! I will still have the access to it, since i’m on graphic design major but i ain’t using it anymore. Fuck adobe and fuck corpos
I feel the same! This company is not my choice anymore!
@@ArseniKatsela Luckily, for me Affinity are relatively local (Nottingham) and a family firm. I have transferred to them. I prefer to support small, local business.
@@dcarbs2979 It's awesome! I fully suport you in this decision :)
I've been using CSP for years now. I'm hoping that their animation features will grow with time. But for illustrators, it's a solid piece of software and very much worth the price.
Yes! For drawing and painting it's a perfect fit :)
I was struggling financially and wanted to cancel my PS, “monthly subscription”. I cancelled, not knowing they would charge me the REMAINING months subscription and immediately cancel my use of Adobe the second I cancelled. I contacted, clearly anger, because I was now -$75 in my account. The person talking to me was so lifeless and didn’t care that my reason for cancelling was I couldn’t afford it. I pointed out how messed up it is to even offer that as a reason why you are cancelling and then turn around and charge the remaining months sub fee and then not even allow me to use the product when I have very clearly paid for it.
They refunded me my money and nothing more. My partner still uses Adobe even though he owns CSP. But claims CSP isn’t the same. 🙄 He’s right. It’s better. I want to be done with that crappy shady company.
Woow! This is a horrible story!
The worst part is that they know what they're doing.. And I really don't want to be in this support person's shoes. How is it possible mentally to do that job while you know everything that company is doing to their customers?
@@klausd.6285 have you tried krita? It's free and open source, I hope you like it.
Thankfully I predicted Adobe's scummyness and jumped to Krita, it has been hard to adapt for a while, but after you beat Krita to a shape you are confortable with is a pleasure of a workspace. Full of options, customizable and with a powerful brush engine. And free!
It's awesome! I've tried it too :)
Adobe can burn. We seriously need to find a way to make something open source rhat puts power back in the hands of artists.
Yes! Something like Krita or the same apps!
I use Krita. It has a bit of a learning curve but once you are familiar with it, it's quite good to use. Plenty of Krita tutorial videos in YT to help you.
Best free painting software:
- Krita (layer structure are weird) (FOSS)
- FireAlpaca (excellent, especially for mangaka)
Best perpetual license:
- Paint tool SAI v2 (Very fast, reasonable price)
- FireAlpaca SE (Steam version, not much added tool compare to free version but this is the way you can support devs)
- CSP (you have to stay online or CSP won't work)
Best free photo editor:
- RawTherapee (support wide range of RAW formats)
- GIMP (some bugs but I hope it will get fix soon) (FOSS)
Best Vector drawing:
- Inkscape (FOSS)
Best PDF viewer:
- Okular (FOSS)
Best image viewer:
- XnView MP (very powerful, support .exr, .tiff,...)
I think it’s a very helpful list for everyone in the comments, thank you! 😊
the only reason i use photoshop and illustrator (pirated) is because most jobs in the related field require it. When i tell them i use affinity they look at me like a deer in headlights because they either dont know what affinity is/ its not good enough. its dumb you cant really win them over with alternatives unless they understand how bs it is
also, i had to clean up my pc of ALL its documents onto a usb drive just to get the apps on my pc where they now house the majority of my storage
I think that it will change over time! I worked at jobs where PS was the only thing they allow to use (because the company only have the Adobe license). At other companies I was told like "we don't care what you're using, just get the work done properly". The most hard part of all of it is to convince CEO's of the companies that it's not the only option on the market and definitely not the transparent one.
I've actually saw a video on LMG Clips channel about how Adobe let companies to increase users number in the Adobe's company plan, BUT they use the same trick with the companies as they do with the simple users. They DON'T write ANYTHING about that if the company will need to decrease the number of users (if somebody got fired) - they just can't do it until the license of this exact user will expire within one year. So the company should pay the whole period even if nobody is using this "seat".
I partly blame ourselves.
We are the ones who have helped propagate the term “photoshopped”, and made it equivalent to sucessfully make a picture look great.
A number of years ago I started using the term “photo manipulation” instead, but must admit that customers don’t understand it in the same way.
The three big rules when dealing with Adobe:
Don't give them money.
Never let ANY of their software connect to the network unless it strictly has to.
Be prepared to burn whatever you pay them with if you break rule number 1.
I think these are the nice rules :D
I want to ask for a long video about proportions and anatomy.
It's in the plans for the future videos :)
That can be an entire course in itself, not just a single video!
@@dcarbs2979 It is :)
Gimp and Krita are free to download and use. Gimp is basically PS and a little more user-friendly. Krita is better for actual drawing, but lacks some of Gimp's more user-friendly color features. A friend of mine recently told me Adobe is going so far as to threaten fines and imprisonment for old copies of their software. These are legit copies, but outdate. There's always a free alternative. =)
You're totally right! For the price (which is 0$) these apps are great alternatives :)
Also I hope they wouldn't go so far because a lot of people still using it and they will suffer because they bought and used an official license
Please make a video about detailed anatomy.
Noted :)
It's a big subject
Support Free and Open Source Software or Perpetual License (offline) ❤
Online, subscription and cloud based are scary, they could just stop access or service whenever they want, and we left with nothing 😢
Btw, CSP need to be online each x days, to verify our license...
If we stay offline, we can't access it, since they can't re-verify our license.
Hopefully people start supporting FOSS program (like blender, krita, inkscape, etc) so they can catch up with industry standard and we don't have to worry and have back up program.
It’s a great point! Offline is great!
This, idk why those companies say you can "buy" their software, but in reality we are only renting it, it doesn't make any sense to me. If I wanna buy it, it means that I own the software and can do with it whatever I want till the day I want. upgrade it or change it, only if I want to do it.
@hectorruiz5270 Fully agree with you, I want to own stuff I buy! The same going on with video games, more and more companies starting saying that players don’t own anything and “asking” for a subscription model
@@ArseniKatsela yes, we need more offline app like back then.
There are too many software tha are using subscription, and online cloud based, I don't like it
@@hectorruiz5270 yeah it feels like scam, we buy it, but we need to be online, must be in that platform, renting license (when it's said "buy") and it's drm...
Just say rent, don't dilute or muddying "buy" word, unfortunately many companies does that
The only silver lining is FOSS , it's like old software, where we own our software, we need to support it so it doesn't become dead project. 😞
And hopefully can stop compromising/ supporting the subscription based where they can just cut off our program whenever they want
I was a longtime PS user. It was my first Painting software ever. Now I cancelled my adobe subscription last week. It makes me angry and sad how corporate greed destroyed a great programm. (Yes PS has its weakpoints but so has any other artporgramm) I sorta saw it coming too and slowly made the switch to CSP over the last year or so. As well as Affinity suite for grapgic design. ^^
Yes, Photoshop was a great app for a long time, but now there is a ton of great apps out there! And you've choose a great combination :)
Krita ftw!
Tried it too, great app and it's free :)
Glad I stopped using Adobe since 2019 after I graduated. The subscription system and costs are ridiculous. I now use both the Affinity programs and Medibang Paint Pro.
And with how Adobe is promoting their AI ""art"" features and dealings, they've really gone off the deep end. I feel like they don't care about the love and creation for art anymore. Glad so many people are abandoning the Adobe ship. They're in for a rude awakening, realizing that they're no longer the big boys around and it's all their own fault.
I totally agree with you! And you've made a great choice of apps you're using :)
Right now I see a lot more awakened creators, who start to see the whole situation and it's great in my opinion!
Do you know where I can get a hold of the references youve used for the video? They look really helpful.
Of course! It's a Complete Guide to Drawing from Life by Bridgman. It's an old book, but you can find it in pdf!
@@ArseniKatsela Cheers, I love the way you construct your figures and want to sort of emulate that.
@@arakami8547 You're welcome :) Also check out an artist called TenTen on Artstation he uses this method too, very cool way to construct :)
I knew it. Even large artists like Lavendertowne, Mohammed Abgadi, Louixie, Tenelle Flowers Even Northflowo and so many more use stuff like Clipstudio, Paint tool Sai, Fire Alpaca and heck, even Toon Boom isn't as shady as Adobe! Im currently using Fire Alpaca for animation and drawing, and I've done decent. If i get money, Id get Clip Studio and Toon Boom IMMEDIATELY.
Yes, because all of them are seeing the situation and Adobe’s attitude! So buy other software is a great choice!
Cancel fees have always been greedy. There's no need for them at all if you're leaving.
I used Premiere pro off and on and the cancel fees have always gotten in the way since payments are automatic and I have to cancel myself.
Sometimes I miss the automatic date and get stuck for another month, or simply need extra money to cancel. 40 monthly, plus 20 to stop = 60 right now.
I switched to Davinci, Photoshop to Krita, and Gimp does the same. Realized using Adobe was just a brand hold.
The same here! I’ve chosen Davinci Resolve over Premiere and this is a whole other world - free version does mostly everything and the paid is one time payment, I think it’s great 😊
I got the exact same pop up window, but 2 weeks passed and i can again use it. But now that you mentioned it this is disturbing..
It really is!
Was kind surprised to see you practice on Joshua Bridgman's stuff. Mostly because I did the same thing on paper month or so ago, although I'm just a beginner. About Adobe: only find alternatives or, at the very least, use a BETTER version of their products ;-)
I actually remember bying the Adobe Animate licence - one of my worst mistakes
I love Bridgeman's construction and also interpretation of him by TenTen (you can find him on Artstation)!
Right now I'm getting used to CSP, it takes a bit of time and practical tasks, but as far as I can see right now - it's great for my kind of work :)
I REALLY don’t like drawing in photoshop. Idk what it is, but the problems I notice with it are multiplied by Adobe’s business practices. Rebelle is on sale, I feel weightless when I use it, and, it’s a one time purchase that’s on sale right now. That’s one less adobe program I’m using.
I heard of Rebelle! I guess someday I'll try it because of their pigments engine!
Same here. Not using anything Adobe out of principle any more.
I fully support you and I’ve done the same!
Went to cancel and decided to pay the cancellation fee because it wasn't *that* big - I got offered FREE 2 MONTHS to stop me from leaving.
I went to research if that comes with strings attached. And I had to go do that on my own because there isn't a single disclaimer or link on the offer that tells you.
It does come with strings attached - IF YOU ACCEPT THE FREE 2 MONTHS YOU ARE EXTENDING THE SUB FOR ANOTHER YEAR.
Sounds ridiculous!
I literally have only one experience with (any version of) Adobe Photoshop. All I needed to do was open an image, perform some minor exposure adjustments (e.g. curves) and save a new copy, but for the life of scouring the menubar I just _could not_ find any recognizable command to perform that one simple task.
Unfortunately, my anecdote is too old to remember much in the way of specific details. It _might_ have been when nondestructive "adjustment layers" were still a new feature.
I’m glad that you didn’t spend a lot on it! Thank you for your story ☺️
The only thing that keeps me using Adobe Suite is all the plugins I have that makes my workflow so much smoother.. especially with After Effects, there is no replacement for this especially when it comes to motion design and motion graphics
It's fair enough :)
After Effects really is holding a lot of people back from switching. I hope an alternative comes soon. 😢
remembering the time 4 years ago when i thought I'd eventually upgrade to adobe products in my creative journey.
now I don't really know what to do
but I'm loving blender
Blender is awesome! You can go with Krita (free), Paint Tool Sai or CLip Studio Paint! They're great alternatives :)
@@ArseniKatsela ty ❤️
@@flow1194 You're welcome :)
I've not long started my 'career' in graphic design: Just finished the education and not yet professional in practice (i.e. earning) but professional in set-up (e.g. profile, website etc.). Having a bad experience near the end I had only the previous month renewed the annual subscription before deciding not to continue in graphic design at all, so I wanted to cancel Adobe altogether. In the live chat they were offering me several free months after they had reluctantly agree to cancel my membership with full refund. They wanted to keep my money even though my annual membership would be cancelled with 10 months still to run. So I simply argued with them and said I wanted to go to their competitor (literally using those words, so they knew why I was leaving). After about an hour of trying to sell shampoo to a bald man, they agreed the full refund and cancellation. The following week was the big "terms & conditions" story about Adobe using your images for free. It just confiemed my decision to leave graphic design, although I have calmed down and returned but bought Affinity.
I think you've made a great choice to leave Adobe! Wish you luck in graphic design, keep up! :)
@@ArseniKatsela Thanks
Got an Adobe ad for this video, hilarious.
Haha, that's really funny :D Thanks for sharing it here!
Yes. Take their money. Eat it. Don't let them know they'll never get you back.
I think because my family was so poor that my two dreams were epically held back for YEARS tho I started as a teenaged I am now almost 40. One was the practices from Adobe and the other was from Maya.
Thank you so much for your comment! Take care and wish you the best in life!
I still have CS3 and I cracked it years ago so it’s mine to use forever and adobe can suck eggs.
Wow! Awesome way to deal with this situation :)
انا احبك يا رجل.الفيديو الخاص بك وصل الي و انا عربي اعلم انه ليس لدي الكتير لاقدمه لكن محتواك يصل 💕💕
Thank you so much! I'm glad that my content is helpful for you! Will be happy to see you on my channel again!
Wish you the best :)
Pirating photoshop since 2012, not stopping anytime soon ✌🏼
I see it more and more nowadays! I assume more people starting to feel what's happening
Perpetual license of Clip Studio is a scam too. they moved to subscription model not long ago.
Why it is a scam if you can buy a perpetual license and use it forever? You can choose not to buy a subscription
@@ArseniKatsela it is a scam because they offered the perpetual license, promised you would not need to buy anything else, people got it and then later they switched to a subscription model out of the blue, making the perpetual license obsolete and if you want any of the "new" features that are not new really since Adobe Animate already had most.of those features, Clip Studi was just lacking. So yeah its a scam, not as big a scam as Adobe, but hardly a good alternative if what you are looking at is to ditch Adobe for their business practices.
@@ArseniKatsela just look for videos about the backlash of Clip studios switch to subscription model.
@gabrielWachong I respect your position! However I now use a perpetual license and it has all the functions I need and I don’t need to buy any subscription
@@ArseniKatsela you probably don't need all the functions, but that makes you a minority aa a profesional animator, since many of those features are basic for Adobe Animate. In any case it is not a good replacement for Adobe, neither in features nor on business practices. I too own a perpetual licence for Clip Studio and it is worthless to me without the features of the paid subscription, so now I paid Clip Studio but also need to pay Adobe or start paying subscription to Clip for a sub par product when compared to Adobe.
I use Krita as an alternative
It's a great choice :)
But yeah Photoshop was my main tool between 2011-2018. 18s when I got an iPad and started drawing on that one instead. I was using medibang on there, though I recently found out they have sus data collection so now I'm trying to move over to roughAnimator since it's made by a single guy and not a company. It can't do any painting only drawing but I like drawing more anyhow
Yes, it's better to know what data you give an access of and who will use it! So it's a great point!
adobe (and almost all other software companies) views their customer base with the same contempt as a con man has for their victims. this is the way they've been for decades. open source programs may not be as sexy, but they honestly treat their customers as if the need them...
I wish the open source apps will continue to develop! So if we have spare maney it's better to support your favourite app and developers!
I never used Photoshop to begin with; I started with Paint Tool SAI and SAI2, then switched to Clip Studio Pro and honestly they're both fine.
I'm glad that you've avoided it! Btw your chosen apps are great :)
@@ArseniKatsela I know, I still have trouble deciding which one is better!
@@WolfJarl I can relate 😅 In this kind of situations I try to recognize which app is more convenient in my particular type of work (what features you 100% will use) and it’s much easier to decide 😊
I moved to KRITA! and have never looked back. Free, brilliant and easy to move to from PS.
It's really is, I'm glad that you found your app :)
Honestly u shouldve given up on adobe back in 2016 when they switched to subscriptions. If youre an artist, get csp or paint tool sai
True :)
Funny, i remember dropping clip studio paint flr procreate because they announced they were gojng subscription model, so did they go back on what they said ?
Because almost no one seems to acknowledge their scummy business decision back in 2022
Either way im sticking to procreate because its better than both of them
Right now you can buy a full version as a one-time purchase as well as buy a subscription! I’ve chosen a one-time purchase :)
They still offer perpetual licenses on major releases. They offer an optional subscription if you want the little updates in between. I currently have the sub. It's cheaper than perpetual licensing, at around $11 USD/year. It's comparable to one month of Adobe's photography plan.
As someone, who is just starting to draw digitally, I am really glad that I picked Krita and dodged this whole Adobe stuff alltogether.
This is the great choice ☺️
@@ArseniKatsela Thanks! If only it wasn't so hard to learn.😅
But I am determined.)
I use Krita for my drawing and painting. I left CSP when updates stopped being free and Krita got better. I will probably start paying a few dollars worth of money a year to contribute to the development as time is not free for developers even on free software.
Great point ☺️
In my opinion adobe fresco and photoshop where such good drawing programs and bow adobe fresco which can be free unless you pay for extra stuff. probably its gonna force you to pay monthly or yearly
(I got a photoshop add after this)
I think so too!
It's funny how much Adobe's ads people see on this video :D
I used to use pirated SAI and when I decided to try an actual paid one I was between Adobe and CSP, I did my research and I swear every single time it just gets worse for Adobe. Now that I heard about all the issues with the IAs its just... yucky. So glad I bought my license for CSP 2 years ago, it's the best investment I have made for my art.
It's really the best investment :)
AYYY ARSENI POSTED 🔥🔥🔥
Yaay :D
I just bought a new license for CSP. I already have CSP 1 license, but the upgrade price is too high, so I'd rather buy new one lol. I wish flash is still a thing, especially in the macromedia flash mx era. There was a dedicated software to read flash files to both play games or watch animations. Such a dreamy time.
I remember it! Played so much flash games at that time!
Thank you for reminding me it :)
@@ArseniKatsela it's a fun time where not everything is about making money. Now I feels so tired even just turning on my PC.
@@dreamingacacia Yes, it was! We should now try to find this feeling of fun which we felt while doing the stuff we love! Even if this feeling is subtle and even if we have a very limited time to do this stuff.
It can seem like a waste of time, but with those little steps done everyday (even a 5 minutes sketch is great!) you'll start to notice that you feel fulfilled more often. Bit by bit this feel will start to improve your life and therefore the life of others!
I believe that this is the only way we can make the world a better place ☺
It's something the majority of artists should have done a long time ago, but they get stuck with it because it is deemed "the industry standard"
You're totally right!
I don't know what to comment but a here's this a guess? Good to know this though.
Yaaaay! Thank you, I think it’s a great comment 😀
I pirate all of the software i used, cant be arsed. fck adobe.
Thanks for sharing! I know a lot of people who does the same!
Welcome to the revolution!
:D
great vid
Thank you! :)
Nha, I'd pirate it.
I dumped photoshop 6 years ago because i felt it was wrong pirating it. I started using free software and supporting it. Now i get the karma of it 😌
You definitely getting the karma back! I think you've made a great choice :)
@@ArseniKatsela Me too 😉
ngl this is music to my ears
Glad you've liked it! It's a really severe situation in which Adobe was caught by their own actions so we can witness it right now
@@ArseniKatsela I couldnt access PS at first place .It was already to tight of an model for me and my budget.I tried it for a month to edit some photos but then they wouldnt even let me pay for the subscribtion.Clip studio was the right thing after all
5:12 *reads* they offer you discounts for pirating their stuff? 😂
:D
Actually didn't realise there was a credit system with their AI nonsense - in software you pay a monthly fee for!? And then they have the audacity to steal YOUR artwork to train THEIR AI that YOU only have limited access to!? I've been using photoshop since version 3 (or 2, can't remember lol, it was the version that first introduced the ''Undo'' feature, yep, Undo was a novelty at one point) and never thought this company would fall so low. Hit the high seas I reckon, or better still, use open source, or pay less shady companies.
Yes, it's a sad reality :(
Krita is my go to for my terribl, terrible drawings.
Krita is a great app :) Draw for your soul and draw what you like and results and knowledge will come unexpectedly! This is what I've learned and it's the best thing that's working!
Wish you all the best! :)
I got Clip Studio Paint while it was on sale because of you. Thank you! Adobe is evil, I’m glad I didn’t give them any money.
You're welcome :)
Sail the sea my brothers
Adobe has really positioned itself as a corporation software and left the consumer market. I use it at work but when I setup a personal account I realized how unfriendly and cost prohibitive it is.
It really is!
We also left Adobe greedy annual subscription. We want to own software because we paid for it. RIP Adobe.
I think so too :)
"""""I don't support piracy""""" *WINK WINK NUDGE NUDGE*
Hmm.. 🤔
If buying isn't owning, piracy isn't stealing.
What is worse is the new terms of service you cannot refuse which gives A*shatdobe the right to train their AI on your creative works.
Apparently, what is theirs is theirs, and what is yours is also theirs.
Yes, I don't like it at all too!
My own experience with Adobe products? _None!_ Never wanted to pay three figures when photoshop was a one-off payment. When they moved to a subscription model, I thought that was even more of a ripoff. (Ditto for Lightroom when I got into photography) Adobe's current shenanigans are shocking, but not entirely surprising.
I limped along with free or very cheap software: GIMP on PC and Artflow on my Samsung Tab S7+. I currently use Clip Studio Paint for Android. Yeah, it's a subscription too, but _much_ less grasping than Adobe. (What was it? Something like £20 a year? So little that I barely worry about it.) I use that for tweaking jpeg photos too, but if I ever get around to getting that laptop and pen display setup I've been thinking of, I'll probably get Affinity for editing RAW photo files. Oh, and use that copy of Rebelle 7 I bought but have nothing to run on just yet...
I think it would be a great combination of apps to use! And I'm impressed by CSP's subscription prices, it sounds fair and reasonable :)
OK I got your point, I will pirate it.
i bought affinity photo yesterday and couldnt be happier! bye bye adobe
Good choice! :)
They are the industry standard. Corporate customers will pay. No questions asked. Adobe has them by the balls.
Truth, it's hard to make a change on the typical companies level.
I've actually saw a video on LMG Clips channel about how Adobe let companies to increase users number in the Adobe's company plan, BUT they use the same trick with the companies as they do with the simple users. They DON'T write ANYTHING about that if the company will need to decrease the number of users (if somebody got fired) - they just can't do it until the license of this exact user will expire within one year. So the company should pay the whole period even if nobody is using this "seat".
Can corporations even leave Adobe? A company sends files to a press. Can the press even accept non-adobe files. Something can be lost in translation if files are created in non-adobe software. It's been a long time since I worked in the arts field.
It’s one of her possible reasons why they can’t leave!
Cancelled some weeks ago my several years long, all apps subscr to CC (since 2016) . Used cdrom based ccs3-6 earlier, when you actually owned what you paid a steep price for. Should have cancelled the subscription much earlier. I've paid them a shitload of money over these years and now the greedy fuckers tried to hit me with 200 dollar cancellation fee. No way. I just changed my plan to only photoshop and then used the 14 day money back guarantee to cancel. Out of subscription hell for free, as it should be. Now it is affinity and davinci resolve all the way. Adobe - greedy shitty company.
I think the same! I better own for what I pay. That's why now I'm on CSP and Davinci Resolve :)
5 years late i beennon affinity designer
It's a great app and a great choice :)
"I don't support piracy" uh huh... Im picking up what you're putting down >:3c
:)
I had photo shop for 9 month and really liked it for the ai. Stable diffusion in comfui etc. frustrated me. But tricking me into an yearly subscription shocked me. No sketchy website has succeeded in that before... So goodbye Adobe
I've got in this trap twice :)
But I really don't like companies who use this kind of shadow marketing, it means that they don't care about a customer, so I did the same as you and left!
10 years too late. But late is better than never
Yes! I'm fully agree with you!
I just canceled my subscription. I will support other alternatives just to have other less abusive options.
I fully agree with you! Abuse one of the main reasons why I stopped using Adobe's software
Krita, and Gimp.
Yep, great apps!
I think Autodesk is not better.
thats why i pirated photoshop.
I know a lot of people who did the same :)
in my country especially its too expensive compare to other
@@yelu02 Woow, sounds not too good! Is it in Europe?
comment for the olgorythm
Yaay! Thank you ☺️
That's why I run hacked ps 2019😂
:D
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Yaay, that's the comment I was waiting for :D
Thank you :)
Wtermelon
Yaay! Juicy comment :D
I'm still sticking with Photoshop tbh- great software and the drawing engine still feels better than other programs
Better start reading their license. If you use their software and one day you stop doing so, stop paying, you got to get rid of all work you did, you cannot sell those artworks/designs you did in past. You got to remove them from selling your work. If customers got your work, they got to get rid of them too. If you use the A.I in their software and it's stability a.i, you're screwed because that's exactly what they are doing. Start reading their terms. It will affect you in the future.
I think you need to read your replies because they are pretty important for what you’re doing
Adobe legally owns everything you make in it as per their terms of service and if you stop paying you legally aren’t allowed to use what you have created, any customers you have can’t even keep what you have sold them either
@@SoloAnima1 Not at all actually- if you ever actually sat down and read the original TOS that made artists butthurt you'd know this. They even had to dumb down the TOS for people. The Adobe cloud needs clear wording to allow users to use it between programs- Adobe mentions them needed to use your data in the event you're transferring cloud files to any of their other services. On top of that there have been reports of pedos using photoshop and generative fill to hide the faces of victims... you're telling me you don't want adobe to investigate these claims and put people behind bars? Additionally, NDAs are a thing and since photoshop is still the standard for most graphic design and illustration, it's illegal for them to own your work. You really need to stop reading 1-2 headlines and freaking out. Many people have already reported everything I'm saying. Go learn.
I know learning a new toolset can be hard, but I urge you to please try. Adobe's been pushing customers further and further for years, and their latest EULA changes give the rights to use your art without you knowing. We can't trust them.
@@marenjones6665 I use CSP, Photoshop, Procreate and Blender in my workflow- Photoshop still feels the best comparatively. I'm not about to up end my commissions because the hivemind is a little booty hurt at Adobe.