WHAT'S THE BEST UTILITY LAND IN cEDH? - THE PLAY TO WIN PODCAST

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  • @markm1944
    @markm1944 Год назад +75

    The visual representation of the list at the bottom of the screen is a great addition to these videos, it really makes a difference

  • @DebatablePlays
    @DebatablePlays Год назад +206

    Me yelling Ashaya at my phone

    • @stormtrooperjeepjk
      @stormtrooperjeepjk Год назад +8

      Same.....same...same

    • @tgarchangel2440
      @tgarchangel2440 Год назад +3

      I relate😂😂

    • @jeffe2267
      @jeffe2267 Год назад +6

      I watch a lot of videos to fall asleep, and my girlfriend sure was confused why I said "Ashaya" multiple times in my sleep.

    • @39josh05
      @39josh05 Год назад +3

      Me too have an ashaya deck too

    • @dylanbate2560
      @dylanbate2560 Год назад +3

      Came here to say this!

  • @BabelTriumphant
    @BabelTriumphant Год назад +68

    I like Urborg for casting Necropotence and Doomsday in decks that aren’t heavy on black mana. It’s also helpful to be able to tap your fetches through an opposition agent, which is all over my local meta.

    • @tibx2617
      @tibx2617 Год назад +2

      i use urborg in krrik for lake of the dead ;)

  • @ryantomczak2248
    @ryantomczak2248 Год назад +51

    While not technically lands, the MDFCs should be on this list. At least some of them, namely the mythics and Valakut Awakening.

    • @jacklamond3679
      @jacklamond3679 Год назад +8

      Malakar rebirth is also really great for extra commander protection

    • @ryantomczak2248
      @ryantomczak2248 Год назад +4

      @@jacklamond3679 In certain decks that could be really good.

  • @SDTCG
    @SDTCG Год назад +11

    Yavimaya turns on Submerge, and I do like the color fixing for my Temur deck, because all the dorks require green, so it's nice to have those all turned on in the early game.

  • @HeellionI
    @HeellionI Год назад +5

    I understand, that lands that enter the battlefield tapped are not liked much, but in case where you were talking about lands searched with Crop Rotation... Bojuka Bog?

  • @maggiek8616
    @maggiek8616 Год назад +13

    I consider a utility land to be a land that does something other than just tapping for mana.
    Very interesting seeing you guys bring up stuff like Gaea's Cradle, Ancient Tomb

  • @mrniceguy00987
    @mrniceguy00987 Год назад +7

    please do a best artifacts list (mana rocks, utility etc.) and stax and creatures lists. would love to know both of your top 10's

  • @ToxicHousecat
    @ToxicHousecat Год назад +8

    6:09 that ability exists on multiple creatures, Krosan Wayfarer sacrifices himself to do it, and skyshroud ranger taps to put a land from hand into play. There's others, too, but in Green Black Naus piles, Necropotence for as much as you can, with a Krosan Wayferer out, then sacrifice him for E-Zone to cast your necro pile at instant speed is a real option!

  • @ghost64626
    @ghost64626 Год назад +7

    Forbidden Orchard is excellent in specifically Toxril lol

  • @aaronroot2172
    @aaronroot2172 Год назад +5

    I think tabernacle was forgotten, but maybe it’s not played enough anymore.

  • @TheCodingle
    @TheCodingle 6 месяцев назад +1

    I just watched a guy last night crop rot into a forbidden orchard to sneak his defense of the heart trigger in and it the most epic play I've ever seen

  • @fluffylegend294
    @fluffylegend294 Год назад +1

    At the beginning and I LOVE these new original things like this!! It helps me so much 🔥🔥🔥

  • @inuaway7754
    @inuaway7754 Год назад +9

    It might be interesting to know the opposite topic, why some casual staples aren't played in cedh (reliquary tower)

    • @Dracomandriuthus
      @Dracomandriuthus Год назад +3

      Doesn't make colors, the effect doesn't do anything for you.

  • @kawinworrasangasilpa6973
    @kawinworrasangasilpa6973 Год назад +2

    discussing inventors' fair feels like formating for activation cost can be improved: like there is a lot of things nowadays that is sorcery speed or once per turn. Might be after tap symbol there can be smth like , :

  • @uphillwalrus5164
    @uphillwalrus5164 Год назад +9

    I think the depletion lands are underrated in mono colored decks (except green)

  • @abrahamdrinkin2534
    @abrahamdrinkin2534 Год назад +7

    Urza’s Saga dominates Modern and Legacy and every time I play it in cEDH I’m so happy. My opinion (and this might be a cold take) is that it’s on the same level of Otawara.

  • @Ryan-rt5bl
    @Ryan-rt5bl Год назад +6

    I really love the list, but to me the channel lands are in a weird spot. I've always viewed them more as mdfc than util lands.
    To me utility lands are ones that act as a land but can be activated to do something extra. Boseju for example doesn't do that extra if put in as a land. It's more akin to casting a spell that can be a land much like mdfcs.
    Anyways great content as always!

  • @escobarisanoctopus
    @escobarisanoctopus 6 месяцев назад +2

    "He didn't send me a better video" is fucking hilarious.

  • @Hashbrown1682
    @Hashbrown1682 Год назад +2

    *Dylan and Cam talk about layers.
    *off in the distance
    Tyler: *WHO DARE DISTURBS MY SLUMBER!?!?*

    • @therealax6
      @therealax6 Год назад +1

      The funniest part is that layers have nothing to do at all with this :P
      (The reason why Urza's Saga is sacrificed when Blood Moon enters the battlefield is because it doesn't lose its Saga subtype (as only land types are removed), but it loses all chapter abilities, making it a saga with a final chapter number of 0 - and it will obviously have at least 0 lore counters on it.)

  • @christianjackson6884
    @christianjackson6884 Год назад +3

    I really thought that Dylan was trying to troll Cam with the Niv thing.

  • @fnaw17
    @fnaw17 Год назад +2

    my pod used to be mega swamp loving urborg players so brought in Karma in my Yisharn deck, Urborg hasnt made an appearance since.

  • @jacobhawkins6612
    @jacobhawkins6612 Год назад +5

    I love the bits that come from not remembering card names from you guys.

  • @SashaWillow-s7i
    @SashaWillow-s7i Год назад +1

    i'm really surprised you guys didn't talk more about Mycosynth Gardens - the card is actually reeeally good. i would argue that if you are in 1-2(sometimes 3) colors & you're playing with a Lion's Eye Diamond, it's an instant include. it is absurdly good in low color combo lists with LED, since it functions as a second copy that you can sacrifice immediately, due to LED not needing to tap. ALSO, these decks tend to turn more utility lands than most, Inventors Fair, Urza's Saga, Emergence Zone, etc., so the filter ability turns on more than in other decks. decks like Teshar want Mycosynth Gardens & IMHO it's a high priority utility land that i would never cut if i'm running LED & low colors. genuinely one of the better artifact/combo deck utility lands. i also tend to play LED in most reanimator decks too, & it always finds a home there. just a great card & a good land.

  • @tacobell2009
    @tacobell2009 Год назад +2

    Blast Zone would be insane if it didn't enter with a charge counter. But it would have to enter tapped for balance imo, even then it would still see play.

  • @bulbasaurappreciator
    @bulbasaurappreciator Год назад

    I love the chaotic energy of these, laughed for a solid minute at you guys fumbling around trying to think of Ashaya

  • @_z3i
    @_z3i Год назад +4

    No City of Traitors?
    Maybe that is too niche.

  • @GGMS1
    @GGMS1 Год назад +1

    I think "boseiju, who shelters all" can also be very good, crop rotation for that land and than uncounterable ad nauseam in decks like Kraum/Ikra is very powerfull.

  • @Ramen4Days
    @Ramen4Days Год назад +2

    Did they talk about Boseiju who shelters all and I missed it?

    • @raedien
      @raedien Год назад +1

      If they did I missed it as well.

  • @AlzahraniSammy
    @AlzahraniSammy Год назад +1

    Absolutely love those deck boxes. Been looking for a video where you said what you guys use to display your commanders in the box.
    Question - can they fit 100 double sleeved cards? My decks are FAT, lol.
    Thank you and love your content!!

  • @raedien
    @raedien Год назад +4

    PTW: Uncounterable is good. Cavern is not like insane tho because a lot of the format defining counterspells don't hit creatures.
    Me: Excellent point, can't wait for them to talk about Boseiju. The original one.
    PTW: ...

    • @blabik
      @blabik Год назад +1

      hehe, do you think they just discovered the og Boseiju thanks to this comment?

    • @blabik
      @blabik Год назад +2

      I'll answer to myself.
      Comes into play tapped. Ouch
      Taps for only colorless mana. Ouch 2
      Not worth

  • @DexterityYTC
    @DexterityYTC Год назад +1

    Urza’s Saga grabs Mox Opal in my casual Daretti build more than it gets anything else. With only 28 lands and 24 red sources, my ass needs red. Sol Ring? Sick dude but Kiki says 3 Red

  • @BadDrummerCarl
    @BadDrummerCarl Год назад +1

    One honorable mention that may not qualify or just eek out of the chosen lands would be the filter lands, especially in 2 and 3 colour decks they can be great. You can (for example) use Sunken Ruins to turn a black into double blue for a counterspell. They come in untapped, add colourless or any combination of two if you have one starting colour.

  • @janmelantu7490
    @janmelantu7490 Год назад +2

    No love for Ramunap Ruins and Scavenger Grounds?

  • @crazykhespar8487
    @crazykhespar8487 Год назад

    Hey. Krosan Wayfarer lets you put lands into play at instant speed. You cast it for a single green and can sacrifice it for free, meaning E. Zone can be just the 1 mana to win on top of the stack. Additionally, as its just a green pip, its playable in a wider variety of decks than Growth Spiral.

  • @baconsir1159
    @baconsir1159 Год назад

    I was surprised to see Boseiju and Otawara above Cradle, but your explanation makes perfect sense

  • @auxillaryinput
    @auxillaryinput Год назад +2

    Is it Eiganjo or Eijango? The second one reminds me of a Quentin Tarantino movie.

  • @egoish6762
    @egoish6762 Год назад +1

    Cephalid coloseum i'm calling for top spot.
    I like command beacon in tergrid high power cause she's a removal magnet, don't think it's cedh outside of really niche mono colour commander.
    Edit: having listened to the list i'd have put it above eiganjo but yeah, those top 5 are very solid.

  • @AllTheGoodNamesWereTakenMTG
    @AllTheGoodNamesWereTakenMTG Год назад

    As someone who listens on Spotify, the whole “we know the name of the card but we aren’t going to say it but it will be on the screen” schtick is genius marketing. Not only did you get a Spotify listen, you got a RUclips comment, view and a like. Bravo

  • @korangar666
    @korangar666 Год назад

    You gys are amazing as ever. Fantastic information with a big pinch of humor!

  • @wieduwillst101
    @wieduwillst101 Год назад +4

    You forgot Mt. DOOM.
    It is great

    • @jeffe2267
      @jeffe2267 Год назад +1

      Now I want an MF DOOM Mt. Doom alter.

  • @Dracomandriuthus
    @Dracomandriuthus Год назад +1

    Also Urborg being a part of the Kormus Bell prison archetype

  • @Dracomandriuthus
    @Dracomandriuthus Год назад +1

    Tabernacle literally existing in many non-creature stax decks.

  • @SouDeAveiro
    @SouDeAveiro Год назад +1

    The only cool thing about Yavimaya is it makes Acid Rain into mass land destruction in mono blue :D completely irrelevant for cEDH but neat.

  • @mike-fb4fw
    @mike-fb4fw 11 месяцев назад

    i never realized how insane Cradle was until I played it myself in a deck. you dont have to play or build around it at all, its just always incidentally broken lmao

  • @NT_Escanor
    @NT_Escanor Год назад

    I really like the illustration of the list at the bottom of the video

  • @thomasschlectic5675
    @thomasschlectic5675 Год назад

    That intro had me rolling. The glow in the dark deck box needs more love

  • @groover1der
    @groover1der Год назад

    Nobody talks about Savage Summoning in green as a flash speed card. "Savage Summoning can't be countered. The next creature card you cast this turn can be cast as though it had flash. That spell can't be countered. That creature enters the battlefield with an additional +1/+1 counter on it" and it's only 1 green mana

  • @Z3RO458
    @Z3RO458 Год назад +2

    29 is a lot of lands?? 😮 all my decks have 28-32 average cedh lmfaooo

  • @Jugglerman
    @Jugglerman Год назад

    Also worth pointing out the colorless lands
    - City of Traitors
    - Crystal Vein
    - Mishra Workshop
    I think these are very situational. In the decks they are good in, they are very good, but most decks don’t want these.
    Also side note: I think it’s a shame that Tolarian Academy is banned. I know it probably makes sense, it just sucks that rest of the Urza cycle can be played and not Tolarian Academy.

    • @SantaCatcher9000
      @SantaCatcher9000 Год назад +1

      Bold of you to assume the red one can be played

    • @Jugglerman
      @Jugglerman Год назад

      @@SantaCatcher9000 lol, fair. it can be played, it's not good in CDH, but it can be played in the commander format.

  • @Shivan_16
    @Shivan_16 10 месяцев назад

    As a Niv Mizzet player I was rolling lol Keep up the fantastic work you guys!

  • @makennymaxime9328
    @makennymaxime9328 Год назад

    Lol. The final fortune thing is funny cause I just watched him play Korvold and win with it! 🤣

  • @andrewpalella9923
    @andrewpalella9923 Год назад

    Idk if its layers, but blood moon does not change the fact that urzas saga is a saga. So the game sees a saga with lore counters equal or greater than chapters and then gets sacrificed. From what i understand. Whether thats layers or game state idk.

    • @therealax6
      @therealax6 Год назад

      It's just a state-based action; the layer system doesn't change anything here because there's only one continuous effect (Blood Moon's) that is relevant.

  • @Jugglerman
    @Jugglerman Год назад

    Worth mentioning the tri-cycling lands from Ikoria and Street of Capenna, like Indatha’s Triome or Jetmir’s Garden, that tap for one of 3 colors and cycle for 3. I don’t think they are great, but they are also fetchable 3 color lands for 3 color decks that you can do on your end step.
    Also, it would have been nice they call them by their shard names (Grixis, Bant, etc), but what is magic if not adding more complexity just because 🤦🏻‍♂️

    • @therealax6
      @therealax6 Год назад +1

      They avoid using plane-specific names outside of those planes, for flavour/worldbuilding reasons. That's also why the shock lands aren't named after the guilds.

    • @Jugglerman
      @Jugglerman Год назад

      @@therealax6gotcha that makes sense. Thanks!

  • @joshbailey7775
    @joshbailey7775 Год назад +1

    Keywords only exist on the realm they were created on. It's why Emry has affinity but not the keyword.

  • @TripsAhoy
    @TripsAhoy Год назад +1

    Just started the video and my guess is it has to be the new Boseju. It's too good.

  • @thatguycam1989
    @thatguycam1989 Год назад

    The artifact lands are great for artifact decks in general. If you use krark clan for example.

  • @kstandish42
    @kstandish42 Год назад +1

    No original Boseiju Who Shelters All? Uncounterable on a land is pretty decent

  • @jondavidenns
    @jondavidenns Год назад

    I’m only at Gaea’s Cradle, but if we’re talking about Ancient Tomb, shouldn’t we also talk about the budget Ancent Tomb, Crystal Vein?
    If you have any big commander with a lot of colorless mana required (See K’rrik, Jeggy, Dargo, Tivit) wouldn’t you want all the 2 mana lands that can tap for 2 the turn they come down?
    I’m okay with being wrong. But I’ll take an optional painless ancient tomb ALMOST any turn I can get it.

  • @Ichin8
    @Ichin8 Год назад

    "Urza's Saga"
    *Neuron activated*
    "Ooh"

  • @dasfabelwesen
    @dasfabelwesen Год назад

    Yavimaya helps you to pick up your other utility lands with the untap rangers, pure upside.

  • @Haya12234
    @Haya12234 Год назад

    Boseiju, who shelters all is so underrated. I have won a lot of Games because of it

  • @tomaskaizr3720
    @tomaskaizr3720 Год назад

    About Cephalid Coloseum. I still thing is nieche card but it works really well with Notion thief, Narset or Orcish bowmasters( and this one is really funny because you may ping 3 times so you may kill An Nauseam player for example).

  • @beckpemberton4455
    @beckpemberton4455 Год назад +1

    Where would Tolarian Academy rank if it were legal?

  • @jekanyika
    @jekanyika Год назад

    The Ashaya discourse was pretty funny

  • @Vuietnam
    @Vuietnam Год назад

    Pog! But also does anyone else get a high-pitched buzzing when Dylan is talking? This is the 2nd video where I've noticed it. I've heard it once when I was in my car and the other time with headphones. It's like the mosquito noise thing

    • @PlaytoWinMTG
      @PlaytoWinMTG  Год назад +1

      I’m trying to listen for this buzzing and I can’t tell if I’m old and just can’t hear it or what. Is there a moment where you feel it’s extra obvious?

    • @Vuietnam
      @Vuietnam Год назад

      So it's pretty much whenever Dylan talks it happens but maybe it's my old man ears because I asked my friend and they don't hear anything. I went back and listened to older ones and it did happen but it's only when it's your doing like the podcast format and it's only the mic Dylan uses. Idk seems weird AF. I don't have this happen with other people but I also might be the only one with the issue? Won't stop me from watching tho

  • @CarloofallTrades
    @CarloofallTrades 10 дней назад

    “don’t bring up layers when Tyler’s not around” THE CONCERN IN HIS EYES

  • @samuelbeall439
    @samuelbeall439 Год назад +1

    I just realized Urza's Saga gets Esper Sentinel....thanks Play to Win. Also, love the fact that y'all leave in the mistakes, it presents a human side that is hilarious, none of us are perfect and it makes you so much more watchable.

    • @existentiallamp
      @existentiallamp Год назад +3

      urzas saga does not get esper sentinel. the third ability reads "search your library for an artifact card with mana cost {0} or {1}, put it onto the battlefield then shuffle." note that it says mana cost and not mana value. it has to get something like jewelled lotus or sol ring because it only fetches artifacta with generic mana costs

  • @AlCapone-uo9mi
    @AlCapone-uo9mi Год назад +1

    I've been watching you guys since you first released and look forward to your next Halloween cEDH! (hopefully no banlist again). How do we apply to play with you guys?

  • @nanceskiinanceskii4674
    @nanceskiinanceskii4674 Год назад +1

    What about gemstone caverns?

  • @henxhouse
    @henxhouse 7 месяцев назад +1

    Glacial Chasm not making this list is a crime

  • @ashiftylad
    @ashiftylad Год назад +2

    sitting here like... er.. ashaya.. come on guys. :P

  • @philiptrogers
    @philiptrogers Год назад

    Ei-django Unchained is when it's in your hand ready to be discarded to deal 4 damage

  • @sumizuru9524
    @sumizuru9524 Год назад +1

    It’s eganjo not ejungle BTW :D

  • @scubadragon6384
    @scubadragon6384 Год назад

    Horizon lands i play in my storm decks so I have extra ways to keep going and like fetches are good with bolas citadel

  • @pineapplepizzahotpocket8962
    @pineapplepizzahotpocket8962 Год назад +1

    So this isn't a utility land, but how come I never see reflecting pool in cedh decks?

    • @LateTeens709
      @LateTeens709 Год назад

      You never want it to be your only land on turn 1

  • @wad_Mr.J
    @wad_Mr.J Год назад

    Micosynth gardens is a filter land it can make colored mana for 1 colorless

  • @3N3MYKN1GHT
    @3N3MYKN1GHT Год назад

    Im gonna have to go with threshhold lands or command beacon , or maybe ive been playing too much tayam.

  • @martynass
    @martynass Год назад

    Unpopular oppinion: Otawara is WAY better than boseiju. Reason: you not just interact via Grand Abolisher or Teferi, Time Raveler, you legitimately can remove the Teferi or Grand abolisher and let others stop the combo if all you have for interaction is the channel land. And in cEDH bounce is uasually as powerful as destroy, since the tempo loss or at the right time bouce results in the same as removal, and also most of the cEDH decks play with graveyard and removal is not the end of the world. Otawara doesnt ramp them at all, which in cEDH comes rarely to be relevant, since there is way less basica played if any sometimes, but still comes up. Otawara ftw, gimme

  • @FrankPalombo
    @FrankPalombo 10 месяцев назад

    How do you like Emergence zone vs winding canyon?

  • @noahjacob424
    @noahjacob424 Год назад

    Do you not consider Gemstone Caverns to be a utility land? I expected to see it in this list tbh.

  • @MCKICKZ
    @MCKICKZ Год назад +1

    While I'm yelling Yedora.... I was wrong haha

  • @Rylo-Kev
    @Rylo-Kev Год назад

    Would Boseiju and Otawara be flipped if their respective channel costs were swapped?

  • @peakaboo6452
    @peakaboo6452 Год назад +1

    ‘’E - Gan - Jo’’ thank you hahahahah😂🤣🤣🤣

  • @web_buddy3860
    @web_buddy3860 Год назад

    have you been playing with minamo and the One ring that is just a bomb

  • @AMerexican787
    @AMerexican787 Год назад

    Hypothetically if we had an urborg for every color in which order would they be rated?
    Would a wastes version have any reason to exist at all?

    • @therealax6
      @therealax6 Год назад

      A land that makes all lands tap for colorless could be useful in some casual decks (think Eldrazi-heavy decks), but I cannot imagine why anyone would put it in a CEDH deck.

  • @Razzia334
    @Razzia334 Год назад

    Boseiju which just so happens to be played in...Yisan 🙏

  • @vansinkalliandrios8997
    @vansinkalliandrios8997 Год назад

    You guys need a shirt that says "Tapped Lands Matter"

  • @markoswester-rivera
    @markoswester-rivera Год назад

    Do you think Cavern of souls isnt play3d because no one is countering creatures or is no one countering creatures because of cavern of souls?

  • @stormtrooperjeepjk
    @stormtrooperjeepjk Год назад +1

    Im hoping (early in the vid) geier reach sanitarium is in this list

  • @gundamassassin241
    @gundamassassin241 Год назад

    Should Prismatic Vista have been added to the list?

  • @arturstasienko2234
    @arturstasienko2234 Год назад

    Land that enters tapped is a utility land ;). because it does something besides making mana.

  • @BrianMcRae57
    @BrianMcRae57 Год назад

    Who is going to get Boseiju with a crop rotation? 🤔

  • @eco3337
    @eco3337 Год назад

    what about war room? It's a pretty good card in one and two color decks.

  • @daltynfowler364
    @daltynfowler364 Год назад

    What about workshop!? 3 mana for artifacts only! Gotta be in that top 10!

  • @willzang3000
    @willzang3000 10 месяцев назад +1

    Me also yelling ashaya at my phone haha

  • @winniebowser4447
    @winniebowser4447 Год назад

    a utility land is a land that has a non-mana ability other than fetching a land

  • @zaneearldufour
    @zaneearldufour Год назад

    Alesha, Who Smiles at Death IS a sick commander, albeit not really competitive any more

  • @09Dragonite
    @09Dragonite Год назад

    I kind of feel that 3 of the 5 Channel lands are being way overrated. Are there any decks that are using them frequently that I can check out? I use Command Beacon in a niche combo deck, so I don't expect it to be super high, but the utility is just so insane when you never have a command tax and your commander is a central combo piece in the deck that is a high priority removal target. Also, City of Traitors and Tabernacle at Pendrel Vale my dudes XD it's not perfect, but it has some nice upside if you want the extra life in a Naus list. And Tabernacle is a 1 land hose for all creature based lists (and fun fact, Gaea's Cradle breaks parody on it).

  • @CKarasu13
    @CKarasu13 10 месяцев назад

    Borne upon the Wind being considered too much, and now seeing real play just shows that even cedh players can't accurately judge a card until it's properly explored. It's hard to tell sometimes.