Thank you so much Ron! Yeah man, you can always roll up the sleeves, take your tie off...or in this case take your entire shirt off by the end of it hahaha but this was a special case though cause it was 500% humidity lol
This is a great topic. I know when I first started shooting weddings, they were mostly friend's and coworker's weddings. You are 100% correct, you have to handle it like a regular "client" wedding. Still have them sign a wedding agreement and all of the other documents that go along with it. Great video 👍
Thank you John! Absolutely, you should definitely treat it like a client. If I'm that close to someone I don't make them sign an agreement or anything like that. In the case of JonCris here, he's one of our photographers as well so he knows how we work and operate. But it's case by case. There are some friends who I still do the whole contract, invoice, deposit, etc as well. Thank you for watching John!
2:24 What a disgusting policy from the venue. Had I been your buddy, I would have told those mofos to shove their policy so far up their fart hole that the venue could have made OF content from it. "We're gonna change you extra if you don't use our vendors!?" Gross. But whatever, to each their own. Which funny enough, it's why I ALWAYS deliver B or even C level work when I work with other vendors because I NEVER want to be on anyone's preferred vendor list. One because I don't want to participate in the culture of "you can only use our vendors" and two, the chances of them booking the same type of client is slim. Of course, I make my best effort to deliver A level work to clients, but not with other vendors. Needless to say, I'm not much of a team player. Ain't even gonna lie.
Yeah dude, from what JonCris is saying they included it so use them or not they were paying for it anyway. There was a venue in LA that told our couple that they charge a fee beyond that if they removed them so we had a talk with that team too. I'm not fighting anyone but if they're hiring us directly, we need to do our jobs And dude the fact that you recognize that about yourself is a very fair thing. Some people pretend to be a team player when they're really not, and you can see through it. I'd rather someone be direct like that so everyone is on the same page. We're preferred out of a few venues but not in the sense that we're included in the packages. They refer us and the couple chooses to go with us or not based on their preferences. And that I think is a solid preferred vendor list. Thank you for watching my dude
@@TNKPhoto Man these venues with their pesky polices, like not letting me drink on the job. And don't get me wrong, I don't mind getting reffered, I just don't want to be a part of the "you must book our vendors or else!" culture. And you're right A LOT of people in our industry are fake to the max. But I'm the bad guy for not wanting to socialize with them. Speaking of which, I adopted the Korean way of doing things having worked with Koreans while in the fashion industry. Where you come in, do your job as efficiently as possible, no small talk but dead honest when you do speak. Which..... a lot of people take it very personal thus seeing me as not being a team player. So if I find out they're turn off by me from the get go, I make it worse ain't even gonna lie. And I already mentioned how I work best on an empty stomach, finding it awkward AF to sit down with the vendors to break bread. So I just don't do it. And get this, I was actually written up twice while working at Samys Camera for NOT socializing with my co-workers. Long story short, I didn't socialize with the fake ones who rated me out. 🐀
You’re professionalism 💯. You’re correct the “package” still charges the lead photographer used or not. I appreciate you so much and Thank You again for taking your time to come and capture our special day(s). It was a lot of FUN. Also, you were pretty adamant about staying dressed, even though I begged you to take it off 😂 🦾
Ok yeah so I had that wrong. I had a couple here in LA tell me their venue charged them if they removed it. Over there it makes sense I guess "it's included". But yeah I had to check them right before we did wedding party photos. The New Yorker came out for a second cause I needed to cook for you guys
This is such great info! Dress the part, great advice
Thank you so much Ron! Yeah man, you can always roll up the sleeves, take your tie off...or in this case take your entire shirt off by the end of it hahaha but this was a special case though cause it was 500% humidity lol
This is a great topic. I know when I first started shooting weddings, they were mostly friend's and coworker's weddings. You are 100% correct, you have to handle it like a regular "client" wedding. Still have them sign a wedding agreement and all of the other documents that go along with it. Great video 👍
Thank you John! Absolutely, you should definitely treat it like a client. If I'm that close to someone I don't make them sign an agreement or anything like that. In the case of JonCris here, he's one of our photographers as well so he knows how we work and operate. But it's case by case. There are some friends who I still do the whole contract, invoice, deposit, etc as well. Thank you for watching John!
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2:24 What a disgusting policy from the venue. Had I been your buddy, I would have told those mofos to shove their policy so far up their fart hole that the venue could have made OF content from it.
"We're gonna change you extra if you don't use our vendors!?" Gross. But whatever, to each their own.
Which funny enough, it's why I ALWAYS deliver B or even C level work when I work with other vendors because I NEVER want to be on anyone's preferred vendor list. One because I don't want to participate in the culture of "you can only use our vendors" and two, the chances of them booking the same type of client is slim. Of course, I make my best effort to deliver A level work to clients, but not with other vendors. Needless to say, I'm not much of a team player. Ain't even gonna lie.
Yeah dude, from what JonCris is saying they included it so use them or not they were paying for it anyway. There was a venue in LA that told our couple that they charge a fee beyond that if they removed them so we had a talk with that team too. I'm not fighting anyone but if they're hiring us directly, we need to do our jobs
And dude the fact that you recognize that about yourself is a very fair thing. Some people pretend to be a team player when they're really not, and you can see through it. I'd rather someone be direct like that so everyone is on the same page. We're preferred out of a few venues but not in the sense that we're included in the packages. They refer us and the couple chooses to go with us or not based on their preferences. And that I think is a solid preferred vendor list. Thank you for watching my dude
@@TNKPhoto Man these venues with their pesky polices, like not letting me drink on the job.
And don't get me wrong, I don't mind getting reffered, I just don't want to be a part of the "you must book our vendors or else!" culture. And you're right A LOT of people in our industry are fake to the max. But I'm the bad guy for not wanting to socialize with them.
Speaking of which, I adopted the Korean way of doing things having worked with Koreans while in the fashion industry. Where you come in, do your job as efficiently as possible, no small talk but dead honest when you do speak. Which..... a lot of people take it very personal thus seeing me as not being a team player. So if I find out they're turn off by me from the get go, I make it worse ain't even gonna lie.
And I already mentioned how I work best on an empty stomach, finding it awkward AF to sit down with the vendors to break bread. So I just don't do it. And get this, I was actually written up twice while working at Samys Camera for NOT socializing with my co-workers. Long story short, I didn't socialize with the fake ones who rated me out. 🐀
You’re professionalism 💯. You’re correct the “package” still charges the lead photographer used or not.
I appreciate you so much and Thank You again for taking your time to come and capture our special day(s). It was a lot of FUN.
Also, you were pretty adamant about staying dressed, even though I begged you to take it off 😂 🦾
Ok yeah so I had that wrong. I had a couple here in LA tell me their venue charged them if they removed it. Over there it makes sense I guess "it's included". But yeah I had to check them right before we did wedding party photos. The New Yorker came out for a second cause I needed to cook for you guys