Hi Allen Were can I send you a photo of something I came across in a council house Apparently the tenant had said it had been like that for 20 years and no one from the council had picked it up It worth a look
Can anyone suggest why there are 50 dislikes to this video? This is a real educational experience and is of great value to all gas engineers who are looking to improve themselves not just newbies. Perhaps all 50 of them are rogue gas installers and are on guard as they know that their time is limited!
It could also be well-meaning people wanting to show their dislike for the bad installations in the video (rather than wanting to criticise Allen or the video itself).
@@aliasgharkhoyee9501yeah sometimes when I see like a really sad video on Facebook I feel weird hitting “like” I know ppl are normally hitting like Sunday they’ve seen it and they feel it but it just doesn’t feel right saying “like”
I had central heating installed by so-called heating engineers. I had just put new floorboards replaced on the landing and bathroom. They were screwed down and very neat until the heating engineers decided to lift them with a large crowbar, they broke every floorboard they lifted, they took out the old pipework and replaced it with push-fit plastic pipes which they lay on the joists in small cutouts which wouldn't let the boards lay flat, the used the broken boards which we're nailed roughly over the joists. The only engineer who made a decent job was the one that fitted the boiler. I was forced to lift the broken boards and increase the cutouts in the joists then once again replace the broken floorboards. There are so many people doing bodge plumbing now due to the lack of apprenticeships.
Wow, that was so shocking I wouldn't have believed it if you didn't film it. The icing on the cake for me was the extension lead under the floor boards, it's not rocket science to add a fused spur onto an existing socket circuit. How the previous installer cocked up the flow/return install I will never know, just goes to show that experience counts for more then any qualifications you can obtain from a crash course in gas engineering. Keep up the good work bud.
At the company I work for, we had a problem recently. Flow and returns come from the boiler in 22mm, but then under the floor everywhere the flow and return circuit was 15mm, then splitting off into 8mm on rads. The heating was jumping from one rad to another. Some would get hot then others would cool down and vice versa. So we sorted out the run changed rads to 15mm circuit to 22 and all worked like a dream. We also did there boiler before as well. Installed baxi platinum!. Then all the radiator problem occurred.
That's sick, and the worst part is that it actually worked.. The gas line made in 15 copper is way too thin for a 36kw machine, when in runs for 10 meters :) so next time always check dynamic gas press before install (if the old one still runs)
Hope the customer appreciates you and pays for remedial work along with possible fixed price Boiler upgrade. Looks like a total diy from beginning. Might be better to recommend rip out rubbish and install brand new heating system.
My my..wat a carry on..ive come across alot of jobs like these..worst is once youve quoted them a price and then try explaining the underline issues,u can see the PANIC. Great video
Estimates only Allen and clear terms and conditions explaining why its an estimate only. Just dont give quotes and always show a customer what u have found while doing work and why it needs upgrading. NO QUOTES and TERMS AND CONDITIONS. Cover your back mate.
Damn that’s worse than shoddy work. Boiler change won’t do them any good. them problems need fixing. Hats off to u to investigate all the issues. Normally ppl just get on and do the boiler change
As a consumer, this is completely shocking. But as somebody who has been soliciting for new boiler quotes, I sense these nightmarish installs are becoming the norm. Sadly, some installers are seeing gas safe registration as akin to winning the golden ticket in the Lottery. I have witnessed people who were incompetent plumbers 6 months ago, now charging 1200 pounds installation fee to swap out a combination boiler, now they are Gas Safe Registered, but boasting on social media feeds how they did install in 15 minutes! As a consumer these are really frightening times, and something needs to be done about it! But it is heartening to see engineers like Allen are doing a great job exposing these crooks!
This is interesting to me as when my husband has lifted a floorboard for one reason or another I can see the pipes going to all my radiators are like thin pieces of string, just draped across the air below ground like tinsel on an old tree. It's either 8 or 10mm. But all the pipes going into and coming out of my boiler are fat pipes.
I'm a Spark and got called to a shower job. Tenant had used a 5A light switch to isolate the shower. He feed it in 6mm T&E but had to break the copper cores till only 1 could fit in the terminal of the light switch.
Serious question but do gas fitters not have to go through an apprenticeship? I did a 4 year apprenticeship as an aircraft fitter and even after that you're still learning. Gas Safe registered or not, if you don't have the basic skills nailed then this is the result.
As a DIY who had installed his own system I usually comment negatively on videos where DIY is bashed by preening plumbers for no reason...but... That is a shocking install you have to fix (have fixed by now) there. Unbelievably bad. Ugly as well as ineffective. It’s good you share this to show everyone what NOT to do.
Great video, quick question is it ok to have my cold water and hot water piped in 15mm from my boiler, I’m re doing my house just now from old steel pipe which is a mess and needs stripping out. So I am planning to re do my cold and hot water in 15mm jg pipe. I see it already comes out my boiler in 15mm copper for a distance then it transfers to the old steel pipe which looks to be 22mm. My thinking was replace it all with 15mm so it doesn’t go up and down in size. Thanks, Robert
Just watched you vid and noted you saying about 22mm pipe .I have a combi boiler feeding 9 rads 22mm pipe all through out the house feed and return but pipe work reduces of the main pipes to 15 to rads is that right?
One of them when you have to tell your customer, errrrrr the price will have to go up. Customer 😕 WHAT DO YA MEAN GO UP. 😑 OK Al just plug your boiler back into that extension lead under the floor boards an leave your rad water connected to your tap water, anyway thanks for the cup of t with inhibitor in it, we can just call it a £20 call out an have a laugh charge.
So in reality they probably dont need a new boiler.... ...just need the pipework, power and gas updating properly. Such a waste nowadays having to replace condensing boilers every 8 years because of failures. My in laws are still running a 30+ year oil boiler with no issues
in a way I find this hilarious, but then you have the awful task of having to explain to the customer that the price is no longer the price first quoted and you also have to explain to your next customer that you will not be able to make the agreed date because of this delay, it just messes everything up, this is the joys of the trade!
Aside from the obvious, problems. why do you think that 15mm pipe is insufficient for a house? Most old places are 22mm then into a manifold that feeds microbore. 10 or 8mm. Still works fine though.
I come across installations all the time ...like the one your working on ... when I am doing boiler swaps.. you bring the other faults to the customers attention and they think you are just trying to make more money .
8mm microbore systems work well but they have to be installed properly, the layout is completely different for it. This is done like a normal 22mm system but in 15mm so it'll never work properly.
I no it's a feroili... But why quote to change boiler if it's a problem with them rads. Surely a re- pipe of the heating circuit and a gas pipe upgrade if your not getting correct gas rate and inlet pressure is all that's required. Oh and of course sort the wiring.. but the boiler although a crap one is apparently working correctly? Why change it?
@@AllenHart999 To be honest that's a weak answer. All the customer knows is they have a problem and what they think is causing it. It's you the professional who are supposed to look at the issue, figure out whats wrong and advise. I get asked to do pointless jobs all the time but advise the customer on how to actually fix the problem rather than just doing what they ask.
steve french Absolutely correct. Gas has a latent energy released by combustion to give heat. A 60% efficient boiler releases 60% of the energy whereas a 90% boiler releases 90% making it effectively 50% more efficient than the 60% one for the amount of gas burned. So of course the volume of gas used must differ, It's simple arithmetic that even my 7 year old can get.
pmailkeey my reply demonstrates the laws of thermodynamics and does not refer to boiler age but it's efficiency. Natural gas produces approx 1000 Btu per cubic ft. A 60% efficient boiler burning 1 cubic ft produces 600 Btu, a 90% efficient boiler produces 900 Btu for the same amount of gas burned. Thus a 90% efficient boiler will produce 50% more heat for any given volume of gas burned and will therefore need to burn 50% less gas to maintain the same temperature. That's simple thermodynamics... It's true the age of a boiler is no measure of its efficiency, however we all know older design boilers are less efficient than modern ones.
pmailkeey my comment is correct and verifiable. Whilst the actual heat produced by combustion is the same, the boilers ability to transfer that heat into the system as usable energy depends entirely on its efficiency. Again simple and verifiable.
pmailkeey . The heat USED is what matters NOT produced by combustion. Whilst I respect your right to have an opinion... Having actual facts best. This link proves my approx 1000Btu/cu.ft. www.engineeringtoolbox.com/heating-values-fuel-gases-d_823.html This link gives an explanation of why older boilers can be less efficient powertoswitch.co.uk/old-boiler-vs-new-boiler/ This link explains the difference in efficiency calculations www.forbesmarshall.com/fm_micro/news_room.aspx?Id=boilers&nid=112 Which points out that thermal efficiency is more important that combustion efficiency and your argument about blue flames is therefore wide of the mark. Also from Which www.which.co.uk/reviews/boilers/article/boiler-energy-efficiency And FYI any new gas boiler fitted in the UK now has to have at least 92% SEDBUK 2009 efficiency otherwise they fail building regulations (Parts L) and cannot be certified.
Hi Allen I'm renovating my small 3 bed house and trying to sort the central heating out. Out of interest how much 22mm pipe should I have on my feed and return before I drop to 15mm. At the moment there's about 2 meters on both feed and return from the combi boiler then 15mm to all radiators. Any advice is very welcome and don't worry I'm not going to tough the gas pipe.
This kind of shoddy work is (almost) unheard of here in Denmark. I sense that pride in a job well done is a sentiment in rapid decline among tradesmen in the U.K. It is NOT the same here.I cannot give an explanation for this but do hope the moral compass can be reset over the North Sea very soon.
Hanne Catton Its not (usually) proper professionals doing this kind of work. We have a lot of rented property with landlords who just want to spend as little as possible, and if they dont do it themselves (many do!) employ the cheapest person they can find (who is probably not qualified to do the job). Then there are the DIY folks, who think they know enough, and often get away with it (we have lots of DIY shops that actively encourage some work). And we have a lot of old, repeatedly “upgraded” properties. Yes, there are some professional tradesmen who still do poor work, but most are good.
And your right Garry, looks like a diy job though. Must admit after 27 of trading as Gas Tech I never give quotations and only estimates with very clear and detailed terms and conditions. Its for this very reason, what will we find when we lift boards etc? Have never found giving estimates only to be to my detriment and clearly explain to my customer why I do this and always show my customer any work that has been hidden and requires updating.
Ive had 4 houses so far and every house have had similar shit. Have respect to the people who graduated university and don't call yourself an engineer.
I hate jobs like that . I also get them !!! Trouble is where do you stop some times its easier to start again but customers never want to pay . Because the last bloke has ripped them off
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Hi Allen
Were can I send you a photo of something I came across in a council house
Apparently the tenant had said it had been like that for 20 years and no one from the council had picked it up
It worth a look
Plugged into an extension under the floorboards was the cherry on the top!
😂😂😂😂
Two weeks later and only now can I mention the poor workmanship of this installation. How does anyone think that's ok.
Can anyone suggest why there are 50 dislikes to this video? This is a real educational experience and is of great value to all gas engineers who are looking to improve themselves not just newbies. Perhaps all 50 of them are rogue gas installers and are on guard as they know that their time is limited!
It could also be well-meaning people wanting to show their dislike for the bad installations in the video (rather than wanting to criticise Allen or the video itself).
@@aliasgharkhoyee9501yeah sometimes when I see like a really sad video on Facebook I feel weird hitting “like” I know ppl are normally hitting like Sunday they’ve seen it and they feel it but it just doesn’t feel right saying “like”
I had central heating installed by so-called heating engineers. I had just put new floorboards replaced on the landing and bathroom. They were screwed down and very neat until the heating engineers decided to lift them with a large crowbar, they broke every floorboard they lifted, they took out the old pipework and replaced it with push-fit plastic pipes which they lay on the joists in small cutouts which wouldn't let the boards lay flat, the used the broken boards which we're nailed roughly over the joists. The only engineer who made a decent job was the one that fitted the boiler. I was forced to lift the broken boards and increase the cutouts in the joists then once again replace the broken floorboards. There are so many people doing bodge plumbing now due to the lack of apprenticeships.
Please do a before after video. It would be nice to see how it looks once you've rectified these nightmare jobs.
Good workmanship on your part finding those problems
Wow, that was so shocking I wouldn't have believed it if you didn't film it. The icing on the cake for me was the extension lead under the floor boards, it's not rocket science to add a fused spur onto an existing socket circuit. How the previous installer cocked up the flow/return install I will never know, just goes to show that experience counts for more then any qualifications you can obtain from a crash course in gas engineering. Keep up the good work bud.
some really bad installs around now, the trade is getting worse.
At the company I work for, we had a problem recently. Flow and returns come from the boiler in 22mm, but then under the floor everywhere the flow and return circuit was 15mm, then splitting off into 8mm on rads. The heating was jumping from one rad to another. Some would get hot then others would cool down and vice versa. So we sorted out the run changed rads to 15mm circuit to 22 and all worked like a dream. We also did there boiler before as well. Installed baxi platinum!. Then all the radiator problem occurred.
Shocking mate love the extension lead under the floor . Good work .
Its amazing the things we find. Thanks for watching.
That's sick, and the worst part is that it actually worked.. The gas line made in 15 copper is way too thin for a 36kw machine, when in runs for 10 meters :) so next time always check dynamic gas press before install (if the old one still runs)
Hope the customer appreciates you and pays for remedial work along with possible fixed price Boiler upgrade. Looks like a total diy from beginning. Might be better to recommend rip out rubbish and install brand new heating system.
that was shocking. I had one today flexies on central heating, gas leaks, no stopcock, 3rd floor flat no lifts no cuppa tea from Tennants!!! 😂
shocking, it really seems to be getting worse.
No cuppa from tenants ! Truly shocking. Decency is in retreat the length and breadth of the land.
In that situation, the " unexpected phone call " to rush to another job is called for.
No cuppa. Thats it ide have walked off the job
No tea 😠 WTF is the world coming to tools would be straight back on the van
My my..wat a carry on..ive come across alot of jobs like these..worst is once youve quoted them a price and then try explaining the underline issues,u can see the PANIC. Great video
We have quoted this and tbh we should charge more but I don’t think we will. Please give us a like. thanks for watching
Estimates only Allen and clear terms and conditions explaining why its an estimate only. Just dont give quotes and always show a customer what u have found while doing work and why it needs upgrading. NO QUOTES and TERMS AND CONDITIONS. Cover your back mate.
@@AllenHart999 Leave the quotes to Shakespeare !
Damn that’s worse than shoddy work. Boiler change won’t do them any good. them problems need fixing. Hats off to u to investigate all the issues. Normally ppl just get on and do the boiler change
As a consumer, this is completely shocking. But as somebody who has been soliciting for new boiler quotes, I sense these nightmarish installs are becoming the norm. Sadly, some installers are seeing gas safe registration as akin to winning the golden ticket in the Lottery. I have witnessed people who were incompetent plumbers 6 months ago, now charging 1200 pounds installation fee to swap out a combination boiler, now they are Gas Safe Registered, but boasting on social media feeds how they did install in 15 minutes! As a consumer these are really frightening times, and something needs to be done about it! But it is heartening to see engineers like Allen are doing a great job exposing these crooks!
Gas Safety is very important to me. Thanks for watching.
but your assuming it was a gas safe engineer that fitted it. probably not, looks like a DIY enthusiast to me.
Mark Sesum well said. Totally agree. Many customers deserve the shoddy jobs simply cos they pursue unrealistically low job prices. 🤷🏻♂️
This is interesting to me as when my husband has lifted a floorboard for one reason or another I can see the pipes going to all my radiators are like thin pieces of string, just draped across the air below ground like tinsel on an old tree. It's either 8 or 10mm. But all the pipes going into and coming out of my boiler are fat pipes.
Nice to see an honest & professional plumber at work.
Thank you
Ferroli and problems 😭 They go hand in hand.
When you said "Extension under the floor board" I almost fell out my chair. Jesus christ.
😂😂😂😂😂
thats bloody unacceptable wiring
wow, just wow, looking to redo my entire house and this is the stuff of nightmares
Wow i thought i had bad luck.Hopefully your customer is level headed enough to understand this could not of been predicted.
Allen I’m not a plumber a bin man 🙁 unfortunately but I love to watch you your so clever
I’ve seen a 8.5kw shower run off an extension lead under a floor , couldn’t believe it
How about one wired into the lighting circuit !!!
Wtf!!
Did it have a stem of solder used for a fuse in the plug also lol
I'm a Spark and got called to a shower job. Tenant had used a 5A light switch to isolate the shower. He feed it in 6mm T&E but had to break the copper cores till only 1 could fit in the terminal of the light switch.
My goodness !!! Cowboys that extension lead under floor is a first for me
First for me as well, Thanks for watching
Seriously, Who installs Ferroli boilers? I’ve never met anyone who does. I only ever see them being replaced.
I used to install them 15/20 years ago and they were really good, Things went down hill fast though. Thank you so much for the comment. Happy new year
Feroli guarantees are hilarious
Bet it was a counsil house for sure. Counsil plumbers usually get shown up by cowboy fitters. Installer who do this give the rest of us a bad image
Serious question but do gas fitters not have to go through an apprenticeship? I did a 4 year apprenticeship as an aircraft fitter and even after that you're still learning. Gas Safe registered or not, if you don't have the basic skills nailed then this is the result.
Job is that bad , I'm surprised they didn't just use hose. LOL the power board is a nice touch...
Thank you for watching.
As a DIY who had installed his own system I usually comment negatively on videos where DIY is bashed by preening plumbers for no reason...but...
That is a shocking install you have to fix (have fixed by now) there. Unbelievably bad. Ugly as well as ineffective.
It’s good you share this to show everyone what NOT to do.
The DIY installs I come across are always poor, cannot remember ever seeing a good one. Thanks for watching.
@@AllenHart999 how do you know what is and isn't a diy install? Maybe you only notice the crap diy installs
22 mm flow and return to your manifolds , not difficult is it....also the flexipipe has a smaller internal bore than COPPER 15mm...
We've got 16x2 multiskin, 12mm inside and couplings are 8mm :)
I believe I had the same plumbers fittin my central heating. They call their business BODGIT & SCARPER.
Are compression fittings permissable on gas pipes if the are accessible ?
Hi Allen, just a quick question, how do I connect 10mm plastic pipe to a new radiator with normal 15mm tails ?. Love your vids too, cheers 🍻
You can buy olives that are also reducers. Thanks.
I feel for you mate.that job now doubled in price i assume what a mess plumbers nightmare.
Thanks for watching.
You have courage to see this job through to the end. Most people would have continued the botch or just walk away.
That is baaaaaadddd ! The boiler plug in extension lead is a 10 out of 10 find !
Great video, quick question is it ok to have my cold water and hot water piped in 15mm from my boiler, I’m re doing my house just now from old steel pipe which is a mess and needs stripping out.
So I am planning to re do my cold and hot water in 15mm jg pipe.
I see it already comes out my boiler in 15mm copper for a distance then it transfers to the old steel pipe which looks to be 22mm.
My thinking was replace it all with 15mm so it doesn’t go up and down in size.
Thanks, Robert
Just when you think you have seen it all...wow
Shocking standards nowadays
Must have been a DIY install, no pro would have done that even a bad one?
@@Ironbuket Its even shocking for a DIY install....and trust me, I would know!!! 🤣
Just watched you vid and noted you saying about 22mm pipe .I have a combi boiler feeding 9 rads 22mm pipe all through out the house feed and return but pipe work reduces of the main pipes to 15 to rads is that right?
I would need to see the system to give good advice. Thanks.
Yes.
If its working properly then yes perfect if not working properly then no
House of horrors. I hope it got sorted.
One of them when you have to tell your customer, errrrrr the price will have to go up. Customer 😕 WHAT DO YA MEAN GO UP. 😑 OK Al just plug your boiler back into that extension lead under the floor boards an leave your rad water connected to your tap water, anyway thanks for the cup of t with inhibitor in it, we can just call it a £20 call out an have a laugh charge.
Alan saves the day
I take it that that was a fairly recent re-pipe (radiators looked newish). Did he tell you the name of the plumber?
So in reality they probably dont need a new boiler....
...just need the pipework, power and gas updating properly.
Such a waste nowadays having to replace condensing boilers every 8 years because of failures. My in laws are still running a 30+ year oil boiler with no issues
Great video Allen; how would you go about explaining this to the client in an effective way?
The customer was away on holiday when we did this job, We just sorted it all out before the customer knew about it. thanks for watching.
@121bham I think this is where you need to be clever in the wording of your quotes...
You just tell the client is you get what you pay for and to put it right will cost you three time what you payed the cowboy.
What a nightmare, our house was exactly like that, supposed to have been a new heating system installed and we had to rip out the whole thing out 🙄
Radiators piped in series.. unusual 😆
Cracking job😂😂😂😂😂
That 22mm splits off in 2x 15mms doesn’t it mate?
An extension lead, that's the best ever
Thanks to cowboy plumbers for giving us a job.
in a way I find this hilarious, but then you have the awful task of having to explain to the customer that the price is no longer the price first quoted and you also have to explain to your next customer that you will not be able to make the agreed date because of this delay, it just messes everything up, this is the joys of the trade!
is there anything against having a gas compression fitting under floorboards?
You are not allowed compression under floors
Well did it work? What the eye doesn’t see the heart doesn’t grieve
When you become a plumber do you also become an automatic gas engineer
So did you re quote for the repairs or just swap the boiler as agreed??
Aside from the obvious, problems. why do you think that 15mm pipe is insufficient for a house? Most old places are 22mm then into a manifold that feeds microbore. 10 or 8mm. Still works fine though.
Just take a look at a pipe sizing cal, it will clearly tell you what size pipes to use, Thanks for watching.
I come across installations all the time ...like the one your working on ... when I am doing boiler swaps.. you bring the other faults to the customers attention and they think you are just trying to make more money .
8mm microbore systems work well but they have to be installed properly, the layout is completely different for it. This is done like a normal 22mm system but in 15mm so it'll never work properly.
Proper bit of plumbing 👍🏻
The extension lead! 😂😂
Shocking what some people do, and still be able to sleep at night
GHP Services All we tend to be doing atm is putting other people’s work right. Thanks for watching
Why would you quote for a new boiler without looking at the system its on? Seems remiss to me
Hi
Can I use speedfit joints under floor boards?
what did you end up doing with this install??? tear it up all and done right?? what did the customer say when/if they saw it? holy shit
Wow! Thats awful! Some right cowboys out there!
Starting to see more and more jobs like this now. Thanks for watching.
Boiler is it? I didn't catch it the 50th time.
Started one today, a complete knightmare. Monday morning ay. But good videos.
Wasnt what we expected thats for sure. Thanks for watching.
I no it's a feroili... But why quote to change boiler if it's a problem with them rads. Surely a re- pipe of the heating circuit and a gas pipe upgrade if your not getting correct gas rate and inlet pressure is all that's required. Oh and of course sort the wiring.. but the boiler although a crap one is apparently working correctly? Why change it?
We were asked to quote for new boiler and that’s what we did. Thanks
@@AllenHart999 To be honest that's a weak answer. All the customer knows is they have a problem and what they think is causing it. It's you the professional who are supposed to look at the issue, figure out whats wrong and advise.
I get asked to do pointless jobs all the time but advise the customer on how to actually fix the problem rather than just doing what they ask.
I don't understand why you are changing the boiler because a few rads don't work?
We were changing boiler as the other boiler was very old. The customer wanted something that worked and has warranty. Thanks for watching.
steve french Absolutely correct. Gas has a latent energy released by combustion to give heat. A 60% efficient boiler releases 60% of the energy whereas a 90% boiler releases 90% making it effectively 50% more efficient than the 60% one for the amount of gas burned. So of course the volume of gas used must differ, It's simple arithmetic that even my 7 year old can get.
pmailkeey my reply demonstrates the laws of thermodynamics and does not refer to boiler age but it's efficiency. Natural gas produces approx 1000 Btu per cubic ft. A 60% efficient boiler burning 1 cubic ft produces 600 Btu, a 90% efficient boiler produces 900 Btu for the same amount of gas burned. Thus a 90% efficient boiler will produce 50% more heat for any given volume of gas burned and will therefore need to burn 50% less gas to maintain the same temperature. That's simple thermodynamics...
It's true the age of a boiler is no measure of its efficiency, however we all know older design boilers are less efficient than modern ones.
pmailkeey my comment is correct and verifiable. Whilst the actual heat produced by combustion is the same, the boilers ability to transfer that heat into the system as usable energy depends entirely on its efficiency. Again simple and verifiable.
pmailkeey . The heat USED is what matters NOT produced by combustion.
Whilst I respect your right to have an opinion... Having actual facts best.
This link proves my approx 1000Btu/cu.ft.
www.engineeringtoolbox.com/heating-values-fuel-gases-d_823.html
This link gives an explanation of why older boilers can be less efficient
powertoswitch.co.uk/old-boiler-vs-new-boiler/
This link explains the difference in efficiency calculations
www.forbesmarshall.com/fm_micro/news_room.aspx?Id=boilers&nid=112
Which points out that thermal efficiency is more important that combustion efficiency and your argument about blue flames is therefore wide of the mark.
Also from Which
www.which.co.uk/reviews/boilers/article/boiler-energy-efficiency
And FYI any new gas boiler fitted in the UK now has to have at least 92% SEDBUK 2009 efficiency otherwise they fail building regulations (Parts L) and cannot be certified.
One thing I hate is shoddy workmanship
The electrical system looks highly suspect not up to regs and a fire hazard
Hi Allen I'm renovating my small 3 bed house and trying to sort the central heating out. Out of interest how much 22mm pipe should I have on my feed and return before I drop to 15mm. At the moment there's about 2 meters on both feed and return from the combi boiler then 15mm to all radiators.
Any advice is very welcome and don't worry I'm not going to tough the gas pipe.
This kind of shoddy work is (almost) unheard of here in Denmark. I sense that pride in a job well done is a sentiment in rapid decline among tradesmen in the U.K. It is NOT the same here.I cannot give an explanation for this but do hope the moral compass can be reset over the North Sea very soon.
Hanne Catton Its not (usually) proper professionals doing this kind of work. We have a lot of rented property with landlords who just want to spend as little as possible, and if they dont do it themselves (many do!) employ the cheapest person they can find (who is probably not qualified to do the job). Then there are the DIY folks, who think they know enough, and often get away with it (we have lots of DIY shops that actively encourage some work). And we have a lot of old, repeatedly “upgraded” properties. Yes, there are some professional tradesmen who still do poor work, but most are good.
Wow thats years of DIY bodging
quality work that. you fitting baxi yet?
Yes I installed a baxi platinum on that job. Thanks
@@AllenHart999 how you finding them? nice to work on. loads of room inside.
thanxx I install Baxi most of the time now. Great boilers 👍
Thats is a really bad job
I would like to c it after u did it the proper way
Thanks alan
long time ago now, if i go back i will do a video. Happy new year. Thanks.
crickey unbelievable! surely this is a diy job.
No idea, Customer didnt admit to it. Thanks.
Wow, that is a mess!
Landlords are notorious diy bodgers. If this is owner occupied then the fitter should be reported to gas safe.
Whats your working radius around leeds?
1 and a half times diameter, minimum.
😂
Mmm not good, who would have foreseen those problems when quoting for the job :-(
Garry G I thought it was going to be an easy day 😂 Back tomorrow to sort it all out. Update gas , spur and pipe work ,
And your right Garry, looks like a diy job though. Must admit after 27 of trading as Gas Tech I never give quotations and only estimates with very clear and detailed terms and conditions. Its for this very reason, what will we find when we lift boards etc? Have never found giving estimates only to be to my detriment and clearly explain to my customer why I do this and always show my customer any work that has been hidden and requires updating.
super man, with his x ray vision ! 🤣
Cow boy gas fitters. Who puts a extension lead under a floorbord
my friends wife gets round electrical power problems by using adapter plug, in series
Extension lead under the floor.....lol
Not a great install 😂
Wow! Nightmare is an understatement lol
what a shocker
Ive had 4 houses so far and every house have had similar shit. Have respect to the people who graduated university and don't call yourself an engineer.
There's a lot if cowboys up your way!
Cowboys with Stetsons on did that job.
Thank you, Happy new year.
Hero
+Mark Hodgson Thanks
What a bag of nightmares . What a pile of junk that lot was
Good luck Alan
Remember what Knight Rider says at the start
ONE MAN CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE
Just finished it, total nightmare they also had gas leak on hob. one of the worst jobs i have ever done.
I hate jobs like that . I also get them !!!
Trouble is where do you stop some times its easier to start again but customers never want to pay . Because the last bloke has ripped them off
k20aa we totally updated it, we haven’t spoken to customer yet as they are on holiday.
God damm man that piping and electric are an absolute mess
All sorted now, Thanks for watching.
Still works though.
No it didn’t that was the reason we were sorting it out. Thanks.
Bodge it and scarper.... disgusting work, so many unprofessional people out there! But could also be a diy job
Defo.
You poor chap. What a blooming mess.
It’s all sorted now. Thanks.
What a mess! Makes me feel sick that someone could consider these works acceptable smh....
Another DIYer giving us competent DIYers a bad name!
What a mess!
Sounds like Jonny vegas
What a complete balls up.
1:25 aha wow
😂😂😂😂
No one gives a toss anymore. Everyone’s just out to make a quick few quid. Trying to find a good tradesmen today is a total lottery. Sad.