West Virginia public schools sued over Bible classes
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- Опубликовано: 1 окт 2024
- Some parents in West Virginia are fighting to put an end to a Bible class in public schools. For nearly 80 years, Bible stories have been taught in Mercer County as part of the regular school week. A new lawsuit argues the course is unconstitutional. Tony Dokoupil reports.
THIS is why I send money to FFRF! If you want bible classes....send your child to private school. Why should all children be subjected to ANY religious indoctrination?
Why not ban "borderline child abuse"; ban teaching children they may burn for eternity. Ban all forms of brainwashing, whether to adults or children.
Ban teaching myth as fact and that people are worthless and born defective.
Like I said it’s voluntary and if the kids and the parents want their kids to go, then it’s nobody business but Busness but their own!! It’s Funded by private donations not taxpayers money so therefore like I said the kids that want to go and their parents that want them to go that’s their business and nobody else’s business
See what we have now? Most public schools aren’t open. Why not teach the Bible? Now there’s critical race theory and idk how many genders.
@@emg253
Because the Bible is for churches and religious establishments IE Christian or private schools. And for your own personal place, not a public school which by our Constitution is secular. It's pretty simple.
School is not state. It is an institution of learning. If a child can learn from all other religions why not the Bible.
So switch this to a Quran study class. Would that be ok?
otakurocklee sure, but no one in mercer county wv will be attending.
No, they only want religious freedom as long as it's their religion.
@Machine Not today. But maybe in the future. Then these guys can't complain because this is the exact system they setup.
@D McG Yeah, but it will bite them in the butt in the future.
D McG How many other religions are there in mercer county?
Sooo glad i didn't grow up in the bible belt.
DeadpoolAndFriends likewise same here
It was horrible!! Still is.
I thought mythology wasn't a course until highschool.
ImNotPaulAvery69 I studied that in 5th
Gran Puba so you are a lost uneducated person. Sad.
Welp, here's your medal.
NO. send your kids to Catholic school, keep it out of public school
Some cannot afford private school...
@@davidnunley3887 Teach it at home.
@@Quinntus79 parents have to work lol 😂
@@flexgado249 They eventually come home from work.
@@Quinntus79 to teach at 5 pm lol just no
Separation of church and state exists for a reason.
If you want your children have Bible studies do it at an after school youth group or club, home, a church, Sunday school or at a private Christian school not in public schools. Otherwise it's against the law and the United States Constitution. Public schools are for teaching children real education, ethics, literature, history, mathematics, science and art etc not religion. When are some of you folks going to learn, read up your history, read the constitution and figure out we have a wall of separation between church and state that protects everybody's rights, that protects both people that are Christians and protects those are not Christians (who has a different religion and those don't associate with any religion at all). Nobody is telling you can't have your Christian beliefs or can't teach them to your children but we're telling you just do it at home, at church, a private school or place and respect everybody else's rights that do not want to associate your private beliefs or religion except their own. It's really that simple.
@X-Files A actually, public schools were started when the child labor act came into being, and all the kids who were formerly working in factories or doing hard labor on farms were made to cease working....in order to still turn a profit off kids, the government introduced public schools....but they still gave them "summer break" so they could help on the farm during the time of year when they were most needed for labor, or in the cities, so they could get a "kid friendly" summer job to help support their family....
01:54 the girl said they ask a kid out when they do Bible class, this is kind of out of the line I think, imagine the peer pressure for a young kid.
Exactly. That's why religion doesn't belong in public schools. The truth is, I think it would be great for kids to learn about different religions but you know the Christians will go bat-sh*t crazy if they hear their kid is learning about another religion. Educate them, don't indoctrinate them.
@@danmcgov123 Exactly, I bought a book about another religion (wicca). They practically ran me out of town. All of this happened because somebody went through my things without any reason too, or asking me for permission.
Religion needs to die.
Chris Y it’s privately funded not tax payer funded.
Privately funded, and they take the participating students out of class to another room for bible class
Thank you FFRF! Keep up the great work! This is why you should support the FFRF - donate to them if you're able to.
This girl has been brainwashed by her mother. Bottom line.
I feel like STEM classes would be more useful.
Sounds like Mercer County just needs to find different books to use for teaching reading.
"So it can go in a circle." lol Like Christian circular logic: The Bible is God's word. I know it is because it says so in the Bible.
It won't stop me from reading the Bible in schools.
On your own free time? Fine. In a classroom...NOOOOO you don't!
Nothing is wrong with bible school but it shouldn't be administered by the state.
The woman in the interview who thinks the Bible isn't just one religion is either ignorant or deluded - or both.
Yes it teaches one religion lady....Those are all Christian denominations. I love The FFRF for putting a stop to things like this.
It’s really sick hearing a kid say those things really sad this happens
The Bible should be taught as literature. It explains western society, history and the English language.
it teaches absolutely non of those things. the bible was "written" hundreds of years after the
supposed actions actually took place. It was written like the game of telephone over hundreds of years
by hearsay.
If these kids are not old enough to drive, or buy spray paint, or get married, or buy a house, then they are not old enough to decide who the creator of the universe is and understand what that all means.
I wish I could thumbs up this about a million times.
If the class is IN a public building or supported by the school, locality and/or state in ANY way it should be eliminated!
Children are easily influenced by the by the adults around them and by pressure of their peers. Seeing a course such as this in public schools that can easily influence the way these children live the rest of their life is quite disturbing from my point of view. Being told you're going to burn in a lake of fire if you don't live by the ways of the Bible is a sorry excuse for moral teachings. While I personally think religion as a whole is holding back society, for the most part I won't call someone out for what they believe so long as they don't start to bring their religious principals to the court house. If it can give you solace in dark times, you pray all you want. Sorry, I seem to have gotten off track a bit. Bottom line, don't teach your Bible at public schools, "voluntary" or not (doesn't seem that way after hearing the bullying that poor student received). Once the children can think on their own, observe the world around them and use reasoning, then you should let them make a decision if they want to live their life believing in a deity or not.
Also, I don't know where she gets the idea that "it doesn't teach one religion"
You're sure as hell not going to know anything about the teachings of Islam by simply studying the Bible.
I pray for you. It must be so horrible to live a life without christ, I pray god shows you his loving grace ❤
I wonder what happens when they get to parts of the bible like Leviticus 20:13 "If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them" or all the other horrid nonsense in the bible. I guess they only teach the parts they want to even though, as she said, "it's God".
Which national leader said "Secular schools can never be tolerated because such schools have no religious instruction, and a general moral instruction without a religious foundation is built on air; consequently, all character training and religion must be derived from faith"? That was Adolf Hitler.
And we all know how ''moral'' old Adolph was, right?
They keep trying.
10/ 27/ 2023 just list a lawsuit ov😊er forcing students to a hell and brimstone Evangelical sermon..
You can’t have a proper context to understand our nations history without studying the Bible. It doesn’t have to be taught as a religion, but it has profoundly affected our society and morality in the West. The Bible should be taught in all public schools.
I don’t see a problem with this if the kids want to learn it that’s OK, but don’t force people to believe in imaginary friends
It’s privately funded and anyone who doesn’t want to or who parents say no can leave. I think these people just hate god and even if isn’t forced they still get upset.
Streetsdisciple001 if it doesn’t exist then why are you so concerned if it’s in our school. There are so many fiction,fantasy or fairy tales in public school libraries and you are not concerned about those. The Bible exists deal with it.
it's a voluntary program and and if the kids and their parents want them to go then they should just let him go no one has a right to come in and Sue if they don't want their kids to go then don't go but don't spoil it for the other kids that want to go
It's in a public school, during school time. The school (hence the government) is implicitly giving its imprimatur to this particular religious teaching. That is against the law. If it contests the case, the school will lose (they always lose, every time) and the taxpayers will be stuck with paying the costs.
Whether you like it or not, this IS against the law.
That can lead to bullying and peer pressuring.
No Jesus Christ? No Christmas 🎁 or Easter for Children 😭.
Love the FFRF. Go join them if you are able.
The writers of the constitution would never call reading/teaching the Bible in school unconstitutional. The founding fathers prohibited religious groups from
acting as civil governing bodies, holding court convicting people of crimes and sentencing them as was done in Europe, however the government was not to prohibit the free exercise of religion and that includes schools. The state was not to have a state authorized one size fits all mandated state religion. Offer electives in the various religions including the Bible. What are people afraid of---exposing kids to knowledge and morality? Some kids would not be exposed to the golden rule etc. any other way.
The Bible can be taught in a general non sectarian way.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
- the constitution disagrees with you. they would call reading or teaching the bible in school unconstitutional.
@@residentgomez Schools used to not be run by the state. .
State universities offer courses in the Bible. Grade schools and high schools (state)in some states offer the Bible as history with guidelines so as to not be sectarian. Nor prohibiting the free exercise thereof . Banning the Bible from school curriculum is foolish and the constitution does not prohibit it. It should br offered on a voluntary basis.
The program sectarian and divisive. That first mother doesn't realize that multiple denominations of Christianity are still in the same religion.
Many of these small towns believe that you're free to worship any Christian denomination you like.
Teaching kids bull shit is illegal
dragon8me2
Your language makes you sound less intelligent. And teaching Jesus Christ and Him crucified is not illegal yet. Right now you are on the side of Satan. Your religion is sin and evil. The question is, will you stay on that side, or will you live the life you were created to live? Jesus alone can save.
Matt Hartley, you sound dumb. Read the bible.
Jason Hater
"You sound dumb". Lol! I think you mean foolish. "Dumb" means a person is not able to speak. Quite the conundrum, someone "sounding" dumb. You saying that makes you sound "silly". Jesus saves. That means if you reject Him, He will reject you, and hell will be your reward. I pray you choose wisely. God bless. Jesus loves you.
It is illegal to teach that the Jesus story actually happened in public schools. You can't use taxpayer money to promote a religion. If you want to have it taught in public schools as though it actually happened, you have to prove it actually happened first.
When are they going to go after the tax code because all churches are 501(c)(3) & 501(c)(3) is government tax code
i go to this school
2:10 teaching intolerance from a young age!
How are you teaching intolerance?
@@julie53112 "someone with different beliefs from me is bad! She needs to believe what I do!" That's what she said
this is bad this Infringes the kids rights to learn about the bible its not like their forcing the kids i wish my school taught kids about the bible if they wanted to
Once again FFRF attacking a small town like bullies. 96% attendance rate and its voluntary, been around for 80 years (longer then the FFRF cowards have been around) and they are just now taking action. The group is pathetic. A town of 6000 people probably can't afford to have another school.
It doesn't matter if its voluntary, it is being promoted by the government (i.e. a public school system in WV) therefore it violates the constitution and should not even be allowed in the first place, whether privately funded or voluntary.
motorheadbanger90 If 96% of the town wants a private school then what? A town of 6000 people probably has one school. Then who could afford to send kids to a private school if that were the case. Because of one person the town needs to bend over to a bully organization for something that has been going on for 80 years. I'm sick of seeing FFRF attack small towns in this country. People like small towns because a majority in the town share the same values. Then one person complains to a outside source and it ruins the town.
If the majority in the town have the same values, and they prefer to violate the constitution, then that doesn't say much for their values.
GrandpaVan Interesting values part. Last I checked the FFRF really doesn't like the fact that "In God We Trust" is on currency. Yet they have a pretty hefty sized pocket book and will step foot in a court room to take someones money. Seems to me they have no values either.
While I can't speak for the FFRF and their finances, my guess is that they usually get checks or credit cards for their account receivables. Those are "God Free" transactions. I really doubt that they use cash for anything, because they have to file VERY complete tax returns, unlike churches.
Its not a Baptist or Presbyterian Bible, its the Bible. Yea. But its not A Muslim Bible or A Buddhist Bible, because those religions do not use or believe The Bible but the Qur'an and the Bhagavad-Gita. Not all religions use or believe the Bible
I believe even though that public schools should not teach religion but if they do they would loose all funding for the government
If the case is no religion should be taught in school then that should be completely encompassing of all religions including Islam which is being currently taught across the country in schools under the guise of History!
some people don't believe in make believe sure they bully kids who don't believe in none sense I had teacher that did the same thing I told her if I was in charge I would done the job the first time around
Secular schools, secular society, look waht it's got us: a world in caos, just what the devil wants.
chelsea landfried Chaos has been within the world since its very beginnings-before atheism was even a relevant force in society. Whether the world was made by God or not, it’s easy to see that a secular society is not the cause of such destruction. Even today, religion is still a majority in most parts of the world. Religion doesn’t directly cause this chaos either, but to assume that secularity is at fault is simply wrong.
Where are the rich christians at, that should fund the school districts legal cost?
Forget that!! Go to a private school or do it a a community center for that
get your church outa my state
That doesn't sound like a "voluntary" class. I also find it very interesting that private donations are influencing what is being taught at a public elementary school. What's next? Alex Jones donates to a public school and we have "voluntary" classes for 2nd graders on Chemetrails and Mainstream Media?
this is another reason why there should be school choice, secular schools that dont teach religion and private schools that do. The schools that do better will flourish while the weaker schools will have to change to match those same standards of student learning.
there are religious schools. YOU just have to pay to go there. Keep the gov't out of it.
This God we are speaking of are the God of the founders of this great Nation.
The moment Kennedy took out prayers in our public school look how violent, unruly, hypersexualized our nation become and many of you are the product of our current society and not even aware that you have become.
If the public school were taught just the basic ten commandments you won't have much people coming around your home stealing things. Or even school shootings.
Even non believers should support the bible teachings because its going to make your neighborhood safer and prosper the nation.
This is logic.
Religion must stay out of government and public schools! Separation of church and state!
The bible does not have Religion does it?
it's a voluntary class.... leave them be. it's an elective course.
Voluntary or not, it's not legal. THAT'S the point.
Tony needs some sleep.....
This country was founded by christian believers so it's only original to have the faith be introduced.
What better law to follow then the ten commandments?
And what is the greatest commandments of all? Love your neighbor like yourself this is the greatest commandments as Jesus said.
You do not think this teaching will make this country an actual utopia? Instead of a fabricated utopia made by men that fails every single time although their beginning intentions are pure?
Believing that religion should be taught because of the founding fathers is a perfect example of the genetic fallacy. We need church and state to remain separate
By the state not allowing ,are they not using the state to prevent religious freedom.
No, Lyle; the state can't allow its resources to be used to spread religion (*or irreligion*). *THAT'S THE LAW.*
"Religious freedom" does _not_ mean you get to spread your religious (or _anti_-religious) views "for free" by relying on government.
Lets say a low income family are required to attend a public school are they not being forced
Religious freedom extends to you believing and following whatever religion you want. It does NOT extend to you forcing your religious views on others (eg: banning contraception), or using tax money to promote your religion.
As a Christian myself, I was really spooked by the monotonous and seemingly rehearsed responses from the daughter in Bible class. You can tell that her mother had her rehearse what she was going to say to the journalist interviewing them...
The family was upset that they were told they would go to hell for not having part in the study of God's word. Yes that is true. It is also true that anyone who does not place their trust in Jesus Christ and believe, follow, and obey Him will also go to hell. Hell is real. Heaven is real. So what in hell, do you want, seeing that it was not created for man. Believe in Jesus Christ. He is not religion.
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
John:14:6
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Romans:10:9
"Hell is real. Heaven is real."
I have no doubt that you believe that sincerely. However, your believing something does not automatically mean that it is true.
lease2coach1
You are correct. It's not true simply because I believe it. It is also not untrue because you don't believe it. Jesus is real simply because He is real. Believe in Him or not.
The flying spaghetti monster is also real. You have no way to prove me wrong. He, through his divine powers and influence, was able to speak to a chosen few and have them write the Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. I expect equal representation of Pastafarian 'historical lessons' immediately...or I could also submit to agree that all religion is kept out of publicly funded institutions. You go to Church, I'll go to Olive Garden.
The Lord rebukes you.
Christopher Wasel
You reject the only one who can save your soul and you will go to hell. I will follow Him and inherit Heaven. Love is a choice. He loves you. Will you love Him? He will only allow so much of your rejection.
This is America folks
Why do you think the pilgrims came to America for ?? Huh
@@theamazingandtalentedblake8296 the pilgrims weren't the founding fathers
If it's made into a voluntary class, then I say it's fine. If they make one for the Torah and the Qur'an as well, that'd be great too.
Here we go again, America opting out of the Mercy of God... another mistake... how long...
Bringing the bible back in to the classroom is a great thing for America. It will bring back the knowledge of God and a decent tone of morality to the States, especially to the next generation.
You need to research the Constitutionality of religious advancement on the part of governmental entities.
I knew it was outsiders poking around. Wonder how much $$$ anonymous is going to get.
Yeah, definitely let's go with a conspiracy theory. I mean, that's the only way that a person could (allegedly) have an opinion that's different from yours, amirite?
lease2coach1 not at all, I'm just saying that anonymous is getting a pay day out of this.
And your reason for thinking that is...what, again?
lease2coach1 Drum roll please........money!!!!
lease2coach1 I'm not arguing the rights and wrongs here just simply noting that outsiders were behind this. Anonymous didn't seek out this group, but rather the other way around.
Join them it your freedom to join what ever programs you want
God will take care of all the people who are against the bible.
Given all that your god supposedly does, he sure doesn't seem to take care of "his children" very well. If I, as a moral human, were to see a small child being raped, I would be morally obligated to do all I could to stop it. By Christian teaching, it's all right (free will) because justice will one day be served, so the child can be raped, often if necessary because in another dimension after life is over, justice will occur (unless the rapist accepts Christ as his Savior then all is forgiven). Not a very moral stance - absolutely no justice provided and all the pain for no apparent reason. All from a creature that supposedly is all powerful. Makes no sense whatsoever.
Yea can't wait...
It's 2017 already and you're still making passive-agressive threats about your magical space man. C'mon...
Raamel,
There is no invisible God. I know you want to believe there is.
I wanted to keep believing in Santa Clause when I was younger.
It gave me hope and made me happy to believe in Santa.
But, he, like "God", is just a made up character.
You have one life. You can spend it believing in a fairy-tale, or spend it living in the truth of reality.
this is ridiculous!!! there's nothing wrong with teaching the bible in school, it's parents that don't want nothing to do with God or the truth trying to force people to denied their faith. If America is a Christian nation we shouldn't limit the bible to only church. I don't see any wrong with the school's actions
I agree w/ you 100%!
The USA is _not_ a Christian nation. It is a nation (with a *secular* government) in which more than 200 million Christians reside: country with a lot of Christians; not a Christian country.
"If America is a Christian nation "
Well sucks to be you as it's not. The Founding Fathers agree with me too :)
You lose bitch.
"The Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion." - The Treaty of Tripoli signed by John Adams, founding father and the second President of the United States of America.
Like the person put it above. It is a nation (with a secular government).
If you want your children have Bible studies do it at an after school youth group or club, home, a church, Sunday school or at a private Christian school not in public schools. Otherwise it's against the law and the United States Constitution. Public schools are for teaching children real education, ethics, literature, history, mathematics, science and art etc not religion.
We have a wall of separation between church and state that protects everybody's rights, that protects both people that are Christians and protects those are not Christians (who has a different religion and those don't associate with any religion at all). Read up your history and the constitution.
Nobody is telling you can't have your Christian beliefs or can't teach them to your children but we're telling you just do it at home, at church, a private school or place and respect everybody else's rights that do not want to associate your private beliefs or religion except their own. It's really that simple.