Belly dance vs. Ori Tahiti: Hips up-down / Tamau - READ DESCRIPTION
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- Опубликовано: 13 ноя 2022
- Belly dance vs. Ori Tahiti - Hips up-down / Tamau
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If you compare belly dance and Ori Tahiti, there are many similarities, but also differences. Let’s take a look at one of the basic movements: hips up-down (I call it “seesaw”) and Tamau.
NOTE: Some dancers/teachers doing the tamau flat feeted (without lifting the heels).
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Vergleicht man Bauchtanz und Ori Tahiti, so gibt es viele Gemeinsamkeiten, aber auch Unterschiede. Hier z.B. die beiden Basis-Bewegungen Hüftwippe und Tamau.
HINWEIS: Manche TänzerInnen/LehrerInnen tanzen den Tamau mit flachen Füßen (ohne die Fersen zu heben)
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Music: Tahitian hips by Paul Dinletir 
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Many people while learning, they focus on the hips but the secret is in the feet movement. It's the feet and legs that guide the hips ..
Tahitian is more leg driven, Bellydance is led by the glute/hips & belly with isolation of arms, head. Different energy and muscles worked but both so beautiful.
Dancer hall and African dances is definitely more hip action
@@luna_musefusion This is what I was looking for! As a ballroom dancer, I'm familiar with Cuban motion, the hip movement that comes from the knees and providing a cross-stretch across the abs. Any attempt to create Cuban motion by moving your hips looks "swishy".
So I looked at these two and I can see movement coming from the knees (belly dancing), and from the knees and ankles (Taihitian). But there's something else. I can't put my finger on it. And another commenter said that Tahitian should be done with feet flat on the ground. And someone responded to that and said it depends on the treacher. I'm fascinated! How do I create this movement?!
@@jenniferpearce1052 With bellydance, it depends on what style and type of dance is being performed. The movements are often isolated in the hips and belly, the knees are connected and cause movement in
the knees as a support or secondary movement. (You can still perform figure 8 and hip shimmies if on your knees, without using your feet & knees)
Tension and release of muscles in the glutes & obliques drive many isolations.
In this video the dancer is controlling her hips from swaying out on the bellydance side, often performed by squeezing & releasing the glutes and obliques. It is more relaxed in the hips driven by the feet and knees on the Tahitian side. In the Tahitian she's using the heel lifting and making a bigger hip movement. I was taught that once you get the movement, learn to do it with flat feet. I use both techniques, with small hips, sometimes a larger movement in the knees and feet is needed.
@@jenniferpearce1052 I re-watched the video and I see that this particular dancer is demonstrating her hip locks on the belly dance side driven by her knees. My teachers taught me to perform this movement out of the knees by bending the knees deeper and squeezing & releasing the glute muscles individually. In order to isolate the glute and oblique muscles, I've taught this resting on the knees to demonstrate where the isolation is. We drill squeezing & releasing the glutes and obliques to drive the hips. If you're flexible, sit in a straddle split, lean forward to keep hips open and the glutes free to move (sitting on your sit bone but moving the butt flesh out to the back so you aren't sitting on all the fleshiness) then try squeezing 1 glute at a time & alternate, you'll find that this moves your hips. (I'm not flexible so I practice this with only 1 leg out at a time) However, I've taken workshops with Egyptian teachers for example, that all used their legs and feet to drive the movements. Knee shimmy aka Egyptian shimmy is made by pumping the knees back and forth rapidly. There are so many styles in bellydance, my previous comment was referring to my own dance experience (& teacher stylings) and rewatching the video, I can see the dancer here uses her legs & feet in both styles.
Loved this! However, the tamau is done with both heels flat on the ground, just like any other move of Ori Tahiti. Another good comparison would be the belly dancing “Omi” vs the Tahitian “Ami”.
This depends on the group wether to lift heels or not, and what the Ra’atira finds pretty. In Tahiti there’s no rule in wether to lift or not.
1000% Tahiti
@Lo do you know theres a thing in nature that certain animals have very similar to exactly the same features, but developed those features seperate from other animals? Why? Because it was just good design in nature, not because they are part of the same species. Well thats the same with a lot of things in human culture. Using hips to dance isnt owned by one group of humans. They didnt inspire other groups to do similar things, it just happend that way..
@Lo Merengue from the Caribbean has similar hip movements.
It's an alluring dance. I'm not surprised if most cultures around the world who display the body (around the equator/ in hot places) all came up with female dances displaying hips in motion.
@Lo-lq2cwhere we're taught that samba has African roots. This is the first time I hear someone mentioning anything about Arabic influence in samba.
Me sitting in my bed moving my hips side to side💀💀💀 thanks for the vibe🎉🎉❤
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You are a vibe 😅
Same😂😂
Right omg 😂 as I was reading your comment
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I love belly dancing. I love how it promotes a healthy tummy rather than an unrealistically flat tummy.
what does this even mean
@lurji What it means is that it's actually normal for women to have a little layer of fat protecting the uterus.
Basically, that completely flat stomachs aren't actually the norm for the female body despite Hollywood's demand that it be.
@@lurjireally?
@@thelnepoet1 not what a personal trainer or body builder would think but ok!
@sylviamb2504 Maybe they should take some medical training and educate themselves a little more.
Adipose tissue has a purpose; it's normal to have some, especially women, around the reproductive organs.
Ngl, I love all the feminine dances worldwide, they all impress me so much. From hula to belly dance to twerking and literally SO many other cultural dances, you can just feel the feminine empowerment, the beauty, the strength as well as the gentle nature of the human body even as it pushes itself to the limit! Ugh, it’s all just such perfection to me! 😭💜🙌🏾
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twerking is culture of what?
@Jul ik it originated from africa as a form of praise dance and then evolved by african americans who made it a form of dance (don't completely quote me tho)
Edit: I'm from Nigeria so I got some backing, we isolate the hips combined with hand movements
@@soamii no ur right
Beautiful. I belly danced for over 20 years. I took a few classes in Tahitian dance an struggled with un-isolating hip moves. This is a perfect demonstration of the visual difference.
Un-isolating? Tell about it to a classical ballerina😅😜 I need to go to The Matrix and ask Morpheus to insert this sofware in my backneck if I want the miracle of unisolation to take place! 🧛🏻♀️🖤
Yes, I had the same experience!
@@sebumpostmortem ❤😂 I just laughed so hard it hurts.
Your statement explains why some ppl no matter what can learn a dance, any dance, but can never master the “fluidity” of the dance. IMO ❤
Any idea on how 2 similar styles are in 2 different cultures, common origins?
@@woodstream6137
Because there's one culture and one world ,it was united in one .
For me ,this is absolutely alike dances 😂 but folk try to make it show 😂
As a proud pacific individual, im so happy that people outside are learning our cultural ways and dance..>>>
Being bellydancer does many different region/country style from egyptian,turkish, to iraqi. I am learning ora tahiti with hula as well
i believe it’s actually the opposite feet-wise, tahitian specialize in the feet being totally flat, while belly-dancing(one of many names for it!) uses the movement of the feet as well.
In Tahitian your feet shout be flat as well and not moving up and down. In Tahitian competitions you would get point deductions for constantly lifting your feet up and down like that but the bump looks nice just try bumping without moving your feet up and down this is why we say bend your knees more and push your hip out 👌🏽
Totalmente de acuerdo. ☺️👌🏻
Kuki dancing is like this but a faster pace and everyone calls it the washing machine lol
Correct
Exactamente
It looks great how it is tbh
This reminds of the time my grandmother belly danced for us when we were little. God I miss her so much ❤.
I used to do Tahiti dancing when I was little and holy COW was it so much harder was people made it to be 😭
I had to practice every night with a weighted belt to get it right. It’s a very fun dance, though! And it’s good for staying fit with asthma, because you rarely need to catch your breath, at least in my experience. I’m not a doctor so you’d have to ask one though. 😭
Lovely demonstration. Both moves are lovely!
I love seeing the differences❤ Both dances are beautiful and great workouts. No need to negatively compare.
It's for information or to educate those interested in these dance styles...!!
@@gsrigouri2401 that’s true, but I believe TeeTee was referring to how critical & ugly some in the comments are being.
this comparison with one same person is amazing. if it done with two different people I wouldn't see the difference.
As a person w/ Turkish heritage I can assure you, belly dancing "is in our blood"...the elders teach us playfully how to move long before we start to walk, ergo whole 🇹🇷, kids, men & women know how to belly dance or at least identify what's good belly dance, Turkish belly dance, Arabic-, Egyptian-, Greek-, even Russian belly dance & many cultures in between.
In my youth I just needed to glance at a belly dancer & knew exactly which culture she or he was their predominant influence...for example while the typical Turkish belly dancer was lean & muscular, an Arabic dancer was rather rubenesque & of course their body built affected their style of belly dance at the end...
The very first x I saw a Polynesian dance performed was eons ago in HS art class after we learned about French artist Paul Gauguin & his life on Tahiti...a stunning, almost hypnotic dance that not only was graceful but required hell of a lot stamina... whoaaa...of course there were similar elements used in both dances, but the emphasis & execution was very different!
Thank you for your attempt, albeit this video clip caught my attention w/ its interesting title & later great photography, exceptional editing & choice of hypnotic music... I'm still at a loss in regards the difference (or the common denominators, but differently executed) btw both dance styles 😳
Everyone can do the belly dance with enough practice bro
It just a hips movement bro 💀
@@Paramore_your_Decode no one said they couldn’t
every woman in any country can belly dance but it's originally Egyptian it's Egyptian heritage not Turkish, Arab, Ukrainian or Russian
This must feel so nice for the spine. I have spine issues, so I imagine it helps range of movement and all that :)
Tahitian can actually start straining your back with hitting tamau hard and consistently. The speed in this vid is pretty slow and it usually gets much faster. Maybe try hula first! Both can start doing a number on your knees eventually with all the lateral motion and constant bent knees…doesn’t stop me though! 😅
i want to learn belly dance, hula and tahitian.
Me too ❤
I belly dance and it is so much fun. Tribal belly dmace is a mix of all of these as well as flamenco. I dod tribal for a while but still love the belly damce the best
@@DearStephanieX me three
ME FOUR 🤗
Go do it honeyy
Love Bellydancing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It is my favorite!
Love the naval ring in the Ori Tahiti, the movement is beautiful
I had hawaiian dance/ ori tahiti classes some years ago and it was really fun! i love how cultural it it
Love both movements and style of dancing ❤
It would be mindblowing to see both movements with the Ori' s outfit because this roll would make even even more obvious the different range of motion and accents of the hips✨✨✨ 🧛🏻♀️🖤
June 23rd 2023 I am a beginner I am very interested in learning the Tahitian I feel it is a wonderful way of expressing as far as me dancing is concern I have not danced as much as I used to and I miss it.
With me being a beginner dancer it'll help to get me back to my way of and what I see here on and what I see here on the RUclips I like so thank you so much for the Tahitian dancing I want to learn more about it and how to do it properly❤❤🎉🎉🎉 and one day I will be as good as your dancers who demonstrate the Tahitian please show me more beginner an English please thank you again for sharing Rita Oliver speaking
Thank you for this clarification! Seeing the movements from different perspectives while side by side made things so much easier to understand
This made me feel good. The joy and energy in the movements was good for me.
I 💯 percent started swinging my hips watching this 😂 thank you
O😮😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😂😂😂😂ee
For tahiti tamau you're supposed to keep your heels flat. It is difficult tho, and it requires a lot of practice. Also you should always try to be low and put a lot of power in the hip movememts, without being too crazy of course and keeping your upper body still, unless theres hand movements.
I have been dancing Polynesian for 45 years and yes..... you feets stay flat on the ground. And my hips never went OUT. Just up and down. The knees do that work. Hips making circular movements or figure eights is made by the hips.
Exactly. This is the traditional way of Tahitian dancing. I’m not happy with some of these ‘new experimental’ Tahitian dancers who are butchering the moves.
Love tahitian dance♡its movement is like an a cakm ocean waves ❤😅
Sorry for this, but for tahitian heels are down unless u are walking but this is great
Belly dance is not same like ori I love ori because is really more hard and she don't dancing really ori tahiti dance the real you have really to down all your body sometimes and is more hard to dancing ori
To different cultures dancing with drums. Apoteocíco!
This is so cool, it's amazing how she has the ability to make both dances look so smooth 😆❤
Belly dancing is hard, you guys. She makes it look easy. I took a class and was so sore i could not go back. It works muscles you didnt know you had. I think it takes years to master being able to isolate the muscles to do it right. I love watching it though. Incredible.
It is harder than ora tahiti for me. Believe ir or not. I bellydance since i was 7
I like the Ori Tahiti better ❤
Was always fascinated with Polynesian culture
I concur 😊 (and yes I've done both dances, but fell in love with 'Ori Tahiti)
Coincido ambas culturas son hermosas 😍😍
Actually in middle eastern dancing (it is not called “belly dancing”) your feet may be flat or raised (often the heels are hovering and weight is on the balls of the feet. The knees are of course bent as that is how you are able to move your hips. How sharp or precise your movement is can vary with this dance style and whether you are doing folk, classic, modern or fusion middle eastern dance.
The middle easterners didn't create it. AFRICANS did. So doesn't matter lol
The origin of belly dance is North Africa, and exactly Egypt, and it has a pharaonic origin, and other dances are nothing but an imitation of it. Therefore, I hope that you will not attribute anything you see to any civilization just because you wanted this without research, and everyone knows that the dance of the Middle East is nothing but simulation and complete imitation. For Egyptian belly dance movements, because their ancient dance is completely different. If you look at the dabke and other types of dance, you will see that it has nothing to do with moving the waist and swaying, but mostly depends on the shoulders and moving the feet only, but because of the spread of Egyptian oriental dance, especially in cinema in the period The 1940s and 1960s became a popular dance genre in countries such as Lebanon, but it had no connection with them at all
يحسبون ان الدول العربيه كلها ترقص الرقص الهيروغليفي ، مهم عارفين ان فيه هيروغليفي مصري و فيه عربي خليجي و فيه عربي عراقي و فيه عربي صحراوي زي سينا و الشام و فيه رقص جنوب جزيرة العرب اليمن و عُمان و كمان فيه الرقص الأمازيغي الجميل .
محتكرين الرقص و الفن في الدول العربيه على الرقص المصري الهيروغليفي ، و من وجهة نظري هذا صحيح لأن كل الرقصات اللي في العالم تقريباً ماخذه من تعاليم الرقص المصري ابتداءً من عندنا بالخليج و الشام و المغرب العربي اعتباراً اننا وطن عربي واحد فأول من اخذ نحنا و من ثم انطلاقاً للدول الهنديه ايران و باكستان و الهند في اسيا و الى حتى دول امريكا اللاتينيه و الرقص التاهيتي اصلاً رقص مستحدث اتى بعد الحضاره المصريه بآلآف الآف السنين و بذلك ماخذ الكثير من الرقص المصري . تظل مصر اول حضاره لكاااافة البشر و خاصةً نحن العرب اول منبع لنا هو الحضاره المصريه .
@@hanayorri7522 aren't you all Arab though? What's the issue? Also i doubt tahitians had contact with Egyptians
@@canesugar911I am not the person you responded to but most people living in Egypt have been proven to not be of Arabian descent. Only 17 percent are. They have been forced into identifying as Arab and believing that. Google 'DNA analysis proves that Egyptians are not Arabs'. The article is from 2017. I haven't spoke to a single Egyptian that identifies as Arab. That's only been two, but still.
Communication is key. 🔑
I love this kinda dancing style. PERFECT!
😊GREAT INSTRUCTIONAL VIDEO. LOVED IT, I'M GOING TO TRY THE MOVES. WISH ME LUCK.😮
Tahiti 😍😍😍
The way ppl salivate over the most intimate details of ppls lives is beyond me. I too tuned in to hear from this guy but I've just really matured beyond the stage of being invested in the private lives of celebrities.
Love this comparison. Could you do a few other dance comparisons?
Edit - found your site and am watching the comparisons you do have. This is so great as you show the differences. ❤
Both are amazing and alike. I would like to learn ❤
Both are beautiful!!! I hope I can learn more someday besides knee shimmies and hip drops 😭
Loving this amazing comparison!!! 🎉🎉
I’ve always wondered the difference, I love how specific and informative this video is!
Esse ritmo é viciante. Adorei a dança ❤🎉
This is sooo wrong, in Ori Tahiti we don't lift heels!!!!
I totally agree
IK im.glad other people are noticing, i never lifted up my heel when dancing only in samoan dances but even then you dont move your head at all in polynesian dances
I agree!
I love the way the belly moves with the first one.and the big swings you get with the second. both are gorgeous
thank you I needed this comparison
so you tellin me I've been doing ori tahiti my whole life but actually thinking I was bellydancing? 😭
So graceful and full of energy without any efforts. Where can I learn in dubai. So desperately want to learn both the art of dancing😊
Superb outstanding different between both style❤
I've just recently been thinking about this. Thank you 😊!
I'm a bellydancer...In this dance the knees can't be totally straight. So the moves it's not perfectly right ❤ The hips moves different when you use the knees a little bit lower 😊
"It's all about the core for me, I am seventy, his helping me hold it down!🥴 I love it!"
Love this! I love how similar bit uniquely different the dances are ❤
It’s 2024 and it’s lovely to see that the whole world is coming together through dancing.But as a hula AND Tahitian dancer, overall Polynesian dancer, I’d like to confirm that you don’t lift your feet off the ground because you really want to put all your attention to your hip actions and leg movements, swings and pumps. It’s hardcore!
It's hard ...I can't do the movement.. my shoulder move not my hips kind of...lol
so im pregnant and finding out very quickly that my baby likes the sound of drums a lot lol. i just experienced some of the biggest, most visible kicks yet while watching this. im 24 weeks.
Amazing!!! Thanks for the description ❤
Love both! All in the footwork
Love it! I used to do middle-eastern dance, while at a festival I met a lovely Tahitan dancer, it was cool to see the differences and I was amazed at her skill! All different styles are beautiful! 😍
They're both beautiful and it completely depends on the style of dance you're doing... time & place for either
Same dancing steps, this is wow ❤
Thanks for this❤
Hands down, Tahiti. Fastest hips of any other dancers!!!
You forget Rarotonga. Tahiti was assimilated by the French their culture suppressed, they had to rediscover much of their roots including dances language etc
For me both, belyldance is mroe sensual physically. Tahiti is more for events
Two of my favorite dance of all times!!!
Thank you for the comparison!
Thank you for this video!! Very educational and you make it look so effortless ❤
Es falso en danza polinesia o en ori tahiti no levantamos talones
así es! y es más flexión en las rodillas y piernas.
Esta mal muy mal su video
I have an instruction DVD that is a fusion of both styles. I love it!
So graceful!
This is great. Thank you!!
It largely depends on the style of bellydancing. I was in an Egyptian style class. My calves and thighs often complained.
But it did help when I switched over to fencing
On bouge pas le corps quand on danse le Ori Tahiti on bouge que les hanches
Wow this is actually a very helpful video💪🏻
SO BEAUTIFUL AND SKILLFUL ! WOW
Thank you for that distinction! I prefer the Tahitian
No matter the threats or pleas you get, please do not take down this video.
The world needs to see this! More people have to see this
Thank you for posting this lovely video.
Very similar, but with subtle differences. I love both!!!!
Tahiti better , real hip shifting.
Wow, you know I learnt this by just looking at it and I got pretty dang good at it ❤❤❤
Beautiful thank you for sharing! 🌈
This was a great comparison with the side by side!
I love this video so much And I really Wish that I could see back This video!! I really love these 2 both So so much but the what are the right Is my favorite
Hi! I love anthropology, music, and dance! So, combine music and dance with different cultures and I am all over it! This looks like it would be fun to learn but I am REALLY bad at dancing
This was really cool to watch ❤
Very cool! SO beautiful!!
I love this! Perfect techniqe ❤
She’s amazing!!❤
That is so interesting! Thanks for sharing!
This is great!
Both are so beautiful!
So hypnotic. Beautiful. ✨
Love this!
Both are so cool!
I find this really interesting. It looks very cool!
Can we just appreciate how perfect those skirts are for each style
Top is so creative and cute as well😍
Super useful!
SO PRETTYYY 🩵🤗.