Microsoft Clamps Down On Local Accounts?
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- Опубликовано: 3 июл 2024
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Fuck a Microsoft account
One word: RUFUS ;)
@@BillAnt ventoy
RUFUS u just tick a box to create a local account. I have a laptop running windows 11 LTSC but for everything else I've gone Linux. I'm sick of Windows jerking us around.
Linux
@@benjammin105123 nvidea :(
My favorite ms acount workaround is installing a Linux distro instead.
100% Never turning back from Linux. F windows and all their products altogether
💯
I use Arch btw
It's quite easy to debloat and secure Windows. All you need to do is delete the Microsoft parts.
@@Wampa842 so the entire thing? :P
Imagine having to endlessly, fruitlessly fight the makers of your OS that sees EVERYTHING we do. That's a losing proposition in every possible way.
Logical outcome of life under corporate-driven software industry.
There are open source community driven operating systems
@@aman9das Linux :D (and maybe BSD for masochists)
I'm so happy to be 99.9% in the Linux world. I still need a Windows machine for VR, sadly, but for everything else I do on a PC, Linux offers FOSS for all of it.
Manjaro is perfection but it still has it's flaws for running videogames. Otherwise it's almost perfect
It’s crazy that Microsoft charges for Windows, requires you to make an account, installs adware everywhere AND data mines you. They want to quadruple dip on you while delivering a sh!t product.
Google does the same shit.
@@ecchioni But google is free, so it is expected.
@@robertjames4908 If you think Android license fees are not a part of the phone's price I have bad news.
@@ecchioni not really, if you don't pay google, they do the same shit, but like if you buy a google pixel for example, they literately support custom rom that are really easy to install like grapheneOS, same for google home, it never listen if it's not triggered (some people tried to see what it sent to google with wireshark)
these companies found the easy way to rev; customer data and ad sales. gone are the days of a good product for the customer. its now about monetizing the user base and milking the shit out of it. Its what the shareholders demand. they don't care about good products, just return on investment.
Every day Microsoft gives people more reasons to switch to Linux
They control linux too through Linux Foundation, Redhat and $ystemD.
It's also said that Debian has many 3 letter agencies working for it.
@@tacticalcenter8658so we're using arch then?
@@tacticalcenter8658 Likely bc they're using it. However, almost all Linux distros are open source and you know what code you're running. Debian is quite popular and any privacy concerns would've been raised ages ago if it had 1% of telemetry/spyware the Windows has - so it's safe to assume it doesn't.
@@tacticalcenter8658 It's also said you fall for bullshit. Can't confirm it tho
Microsoft really want to make a forced donation to the EU...
let them do... make EU richer than US
I'm wondering when the lawsuit will come, sort of surprised it hasn't happened already.
Thing is EU is fine with it. As long as it spys for them.
Microsoft wants to cause a global shift to Linux and they want a class action lawsuit pretty badly it appears also don't use Minecraft in 2024 they ILLEGALLY went around their lawsuit and bought it anyway when they were told not to this shows how despicable and untrustworthy Microsoft really is.
Microsoft can see all of us write a complaint to the Better Business Bureau.
Windows is super easy. For example you just need a now literally secret cheat code to create an offline account on the computer you pretend to own because you paid for it.
If buying isn't owning then piracy Isn't stealing...
Let the Jolly Roger always wave high in the skies!!!
@@thiesenf the problem is that you do bot "buy" it, you "rent" it for some indefinite time. You do not own the house you rent and you usually can't do some big changes in house you rent. The problem is that they all advertise the "rent" as "buying" and i wish we could sue them for misadvertising
lol imagine owning something just because you bought it!!!!!!!! fml
If Microsoft ever makes the account log in mandatory for consumer versions, that would make that year immediately the year of the Linux desktop.
Ah I remember when I still had that kind of innocent wonder and wishful thinking. I say over 90% will bend over. Sorry, correction 97% will bend over. And this is still a conservative estimate
Apple and Google kind of already do this too.
@@Marisueksu It's not the same. iOS & Android are free & that is a big distinction.
I don't know exactly what percentile of Windows installs are pirated, but I think it's a massive number..
Now if you are a pirate Windows user & suddenly the choice is
1. Pay for this garbage (even if it's just $10)
2. Use pirated Windows with a Microsoft account
3. Take a look at Linux.
In my mind "The Year of the Linux Desktop" means 10% desktop market share, not anything too crazy.. This would definitely help reach it faster. Sure it wouldn't matter much in the US, but elsewhere it could be very impactful.
@@conjurermast They're slowly migrating to free-but-telemetry model. They're just making sure it has enough telemetry built-in before making it free I guess.
The funniest thing is you can disable their telemetry lol
Remember when they said Windows 10 was the last version. They were right, because it's the last one I'll use.
They did, and Microsoft would never lie right? lol
Good for you! 👍 Use macOS.
@@Mr.QuantumC0re as much as I personally love the OS flow, it can be very impossible unless you buy the hardware. And most people (myself included) don’t want to buy only certain hardware to use a OS from a another organization that is sketchy
@@SforSamPlays I think Microsoft is sketchier than Apple lol. How about a hackintosh?
Do not connect windows to the internet at all until youve successfully debloated. Most people dont block telemetry on their router so, block telemetry domains as well prior to allowing internet access
any solution employed on your router isn't going to work on windows 11 with its default settings because its going to use its own dns. Therefore a multi layered blocking scheme is always a good idea. Dont just tweak your router and give up there.
Do not use windows at all. Period.
Or just don't use it. Seriously, if an Operating system is this intrusive, the solution is not to configure it to be safer, but rather use an Operating system that IS safe.
With Valve working on a way to mandate a Linux option I am debating on giving up on Windows all together if they utterly REFUSE to follow federal laws and authority.
@@milesprowerxinfinity If you have a spare SSD, give CachyOS with GNOME a try. It’s the most optimized out of the box distro I have found for gaming, productivity, whatever. Nvidia GPUs should also just work with it as it automatically sets up the proper drivers and Wayland fixes etc.
GNOME is not great out of the box IMO, but it’s more stable and less buggy, so it’s the better choice when you take the time to install the extensions you need with Extension Manager and set it up to your liking.
Why is Microsoft so aggressively trying to get all our data, i rlly hate them
Almost as if they have contracts with gov't alphabet agency contractors, for the sake of domestic security as it always is of course; whilst never providing any actual security.
Why? Money, simple as that
They only want your best.
because WE're the product that THEY sell to advertisers...
Because selling a decent product and delivering a decent service has been deemed less profitable in the short term by M$ executives than r@ping their customers for every last penny they can. Though in the long term it'll be the death of the company.
It's not that out of character, actually. M$ has been quite r@pey from the start, it's just that they'd never done it to their own customers on that scale prior to w8.
It's literally as if a construction company built you a house with cameras pre-installed and then tried to force you when you try to remove them.
I got a Win11 computer and had to use the command prompt during install JUST TO BYPASS THE ONLINE ONLY sign in. And people say that using Linux is complicated because "duh terminal"
Not just command line, but undocumented as well now!
Apparently after forever, Windows is adding the sudo command.
They are desperate.
@@goofyahdemoman1134 that's to give them easy access. Chances are there still a backdoor.
And that's why I don't wish to give any ID for any of those sites that want it for verification. Sounds like a nightmare if there's any data breach.
I just updated windows 10 after a few weeks of it being off and it was adamant about setting up cloud backup. No. No. Skip. Skip. No thank you.
With no local accounts, and recall, makes you wonder if there isn’t something more going on here.
Microsoft might well be seeking to become an enforcement arm of the FBI. The reason: Microsoft might be receiving a monthly federal stipend for each existing online Microsoft account. This would be yet another method of federal government surveillance.
Imagine handing over your health info to the awful fuckers at amazon?!
Hmm... Amazon or United? You are fucked either way.
Imagine me not using Smartwatches ever again because if people are worried about privacy they should be worried about that too and go back to regular watches which is what I am doing this Friday.
@@milesprowerxinfinity Same, regular watch and no internet on my phone
@@lotuschamp7796 My mom might be letting me get a digital watch this week don't kill me I'm not a kid anymore this account was actually here since I was one I only popped on it because I miss it jobs are hard to find right now I am 31 and we live in a small town the only job you can get here are factory jobs. Yes I am well aware eventually I have to get an apartment or my own place right now prices are jacking up even higher than normal I hate my Fitbit ever since Google bought it out they're also causing a monopoly it is against the LAW to form a monopoly they had no business buying out Fitbit to kill the competition I will NEVER be using ANY kind of Smartwatch again people might as well face the facts Smartwatches will NEVER kill a classic watch they're here to stay and definitely I think Smartwatches were a mistake and provide inaccurate medical information only a DOCTOR should be diagnosing you not a Smartwatch or "Fitbit" they're all junkware and stupid people get baited into it.
I don't do either what's your point?
As of 2 days ago (6/29) it was still pretty easy to skip using a Microsoft account on a new HP laptop that I set up.
1. Turn OFF any Internet connection
2. As soon as possible during set up use the Shift +F10 + Bypass command
3. Debloat, uninstall, deactivate as many things as possible
4. Turn ON the Internet for the first time and go on with your life
Not intuitive, obviously, but not particularly hard if you are just patient and take your time.
A lot of the people who think the Shift+F10 doesn't work are just people who don't know how to use their keyboard. Some keyboards require pressing an Alt key in order for the F10 button to actually be F10. That is a keyboard design 'feature' that truly sucks.
I think you mean a FN-key
Or dont use windows, simple
@@autohmae Yes, I meant the Fn key.
(Which requires another little hoop to jump through in changing a BIOS setting to stop it from doing that )
just use rufus to install and then debloat using atlasos? much simpler and i was able to guide my gf who has 0 computer experience at all through all of it.
@@Radars That's good, too. Whatever works.
The bottom line is that there are still active (multiple) ways to use a Local Account and none of them are brain surgery.
It's just ultra ANNOYING that they are even necessary in the first place.
I swear Microsoft is doing everything in their power to keep me on Linux
They also control Linux in many ways.
@@tacticalcenter8658 No one controls Linux.
@@gljames24Such a whiner. You lose nothing by creating a Microsoft account.
@@blazechaos212Well, by that logic, you might as well open your house door, and let strangers steal your stuff. There is no competent arguement for having an account on an operating system, when previous microsoft windows didnt need you to have an account. YOUR LOSING YOUR PRIVACY!!!
There is a law in Massachusetts that is set to go on the books that could potentially throw a wrench into m$ft's plans. by some interpretation, an account may not be required as it has been proven that windows 11 works quite well without a m$ft acct. It appears to be the most stringent data privacy law to hit any books so far. I wonder how m$ft will react, since having all that data sent to their servers could well be a huge violation of the new law. There is no grandfathering either. Only very small businesses are exempt.
That law might get deleted by big tech lobbyists…hope it doesn’t.
Ugh. I quit minecraft because MS threatened to migrate Mojang accounts over to Microsoft accounts.
Same dude. Only got a version on switch thst collects dust.
Google "Minecraft Vortex Launcher".
Thank me later ;-)
Reminder that Windows 10 IoT Enterprise LTSC is supported with security updates until 2032.
LTSC can be used to game too?
@@semikolondev why not?, it's the same
@@semikolondev Yes. LTSC just removes the in-built bloatware like Cortana and the Windows Store.
There is a chance that windows 11 entreprise will release in around October (if they make it coincide with the Office suite release).
Will have to see how much fat the win11 enterprise edition trims, as there is quite a bit more of it this time around.
Windows 11 IoT Enterprise LTSC 2024 has been released, so so so much more usable than the vanilla version.
I recently set up Windows 11 Pro and the way I got around the account requirement was to say the PC is for an organization, and in the "sign-in options" I selected the "join local domain". It then let me create a local account and never asked to actually join a domain. This works both in a VM (on Linux KVM) and on physical hardware, I tried both.
What's X?
It's Twitter, and always will be, no matter what Mr. Potato-head says.
Windows 11: The words biggest Linux advertisement
We need EU regulation on this... unacceptable behaviour from Micro$oft.
I knew it! I'll be sitting here chilling on Windows 7 and Linux thank you very much.
many software and most of new games dont support windows 7 anymore dont know about Linux but how do you do that?
@@nerolowell2320 For stuff that won't cooperate, I use VxKex on Windows 7 to sort that out, though some apps will still refuse to work. On Linux, I've been using Debian-based distros because they're rather stable, though with extra control, you still have to be careful with the deeper parts.
Linux is for weirdos
Not any more
@@nerolowell2320 All the games on linux I play work perfectly the only games that don't work require kernel level anticheats.
That mitigation for offline accounts no longer works.
M$ disabled that in an update they released, people already made a bunch of videos on youtube and other video websites about this.
MacOS and Windows are both proprietary, so i see them as almost equally as bad.
It's like eating something with no ingredients/food information sticker available.
Also i encounter way more windows-only apps as opposed to MacOS, so MacOS is completely out of the question for me
(I can't even recall the last time i needed to run a .dmg file and it not being available for other platforms)
Switched to ubuntu full time day-to-day with the exception of my separate gaming rig that has to run windows. Never looking back, using linux is sooo much nicer
That's why piracy exists
Now imagine if you have a non-standard network adapter, and windows 11 just doesn't want to work with it out of the box until you install the drivers,
(I had this with a killer e2200 and early windows 10)
and you can't complete the setup until you've jumped through the hoops....
Most people 'buy' Windows pre-installed by the manufacturer so they don't care.
"Trust us with your data"
I really hope there are still a way to keep having a local account for MS. Because Win10 will not have anymore update soon forcing ppl to go on Win 11..
It's just a matter of time... don't know what you are hoping for. Have you heard of Stockholm Syndrome ?
I never cared about the requirement for online accounts to use your local computer. Now that it's being obliterated, however, it is becoming more important to me to set up an offline windows now. I don't like companies that force you into online accounts that I don't need.
I will install and use DOS before I use a cloud account.
You can also select using a Work or School account and it will let you bypass the signing in to Microsoft.
Not on Home edition
Time for another lawsuit
I guess the next step is using your documents for AI training data and targeted ads.
NEVER MORE MICROSOFT! NEVER MORE ADOBE!
👍Thanks guys!
Thanking Valve for encouraging Linux rn 🙏
Microsoft is done! No more! Win 10 probably the last and 11 the beginning of the end.
history tells us this will be the worst windows to date. Then they'll release 12, having listened to a bunch of feedback, and scaled back the evil a smidge, and people will eat it up.
@@paultapping9510 every time, memba windows XP, memba windows 7 lol
@@paultapping9510w11 feels good using it
Sweden is hardly a "high-crime nation" but digital scams do happen and it's a problem.
I would like to personally thank Microsoft from the bottom of my heart. Because of them I have become proficient in Linux. I have gained a sense of freedom and privacy unlike anything I knew was possible. I have also degoogled my life and phone. 😎 Privacy is awesome.
Thank you and shared
they really want me to switch to linux, thanks ms
Regarding MS killing many of the workarounds, guys you can just create a Local Admin acct AFTER completing Windows Setup and then DELETE your MS Acct login from Windows in the Settings/Accounts menu
Unfortunately I'm just sick of having to do workarounds.
When I was 10, I happily would jailbreak my iPhone or root my android and install cyanogen. A lot of app dependencies were removed, jailbreaks weren't fully functional so you had to be tethered, random things would break like touch ID.
Being a kid I didn't care. I had the time and patience to figure things out or wait for a patch.
Now being almost 30, I don't have the patience or the time to figure out these janky workarounds. I don't care anymore. I just want shit to work out of the box.
So if Microsoft is going to make things harder to work out of the box with a local account, then I'll follow the path of least resistance and switch to Linux.
Microsoft needs a *class action lawsuit*
IF and WHEN they remove local accounts or make it near impossible to do so.
Microsoft is really working hard to promote Linux.
Linux NEEDS to improve its packaging standards and be more user friendly.
It's one of the things holding it back from mass adoption.
I'm more annoyed with Linux than Microsoft.
Every day, we stray further from Windows... and closer to Linux
So windows install gone. I don't need a windows OS to do what I need to do , and anything that needs it I can live without or use a VM basic windows install, so only limited data can be hovered up by greedysoft. The ceo needs to check his thinking.
Microsoft loves giving us reasons to use literally any other operating system. The steam deck was a good way to get used to basic linux and i know im gonna be switching on my new pc. If i absolutely need windows i can just use a virtual machine.
The only microsoft thing i need is windows media player.
At the first set up after install of windows press shift+F10 a command prompt type oobe\bypassnro it’ll automatically restart and you can continue and and then click “I don’t have internet”
Its easy, choose join a domain instead of personal account
Home version does not have that option
I've got a local account and got a pop-up trying to get me to backup to onedrive. Now i have a red dot by my profile cause I'm not backed up
Might become big reason people to leave windows and go into linux
You can create a local admin account after install, then delete MS account. Did it last week on my SP11.
Last setup i did i used the option to use corp account which wpuld be to setup a domain stuff...
linux starting to look really attractive rn
My laptop wifi drivers aren't included with the latest version of windows by default, so it's impossible to get them into setup without installing them on the fly from a USB drive
yep... at this point, I'm on my way out. Windows will stay so I can 2-3x a year play in the modern CoD games (classic ones seems to be working fine under steam or Lutris) and once every 2 years for aws certification :D
What good are targeted ads if you can’t also analyze all their e-mail/calendar events to make them more precise?
If I am forced an account for win 11 im just dropping off to go Linux and game with Proton. Any games not working with that will be returned via Steam.
I’m done with this crap. Last 10 years working has been a mixture of Linux and MacOs. Which are both superior in every way other than game availability
I was heavily considering switching to linux at EoL of win10. This bit of news just sealed the deal.
I had to put W10 on our laptop we use for travelling. Turns out my wife hardly ever uses it and when she does it is browser stuff. When W10 fall out of support I'll keep it as a VM and load provably Mint as the primary OS.
"Microsoft Account" is so they can unlock your device for cops etc.
Disabling your Account password is VERY easy - I did that for a relative for like 5 minutes ;-)
Im an IT tech and recently tried setting up a new windows laptop woth win 11. The method described failed over and over again and the only recourse was to fail at creating at typing in your password to a 365 account over and over again for like 20 times before it gave us the option to bypass. Im on linux full time at home and will abandon their os for anything personal in the future and moving my cloud storage and sync to mega.
I didn't understand the results of the Mullvad testing. Was it good, bad, or ugly?
It was already really hard. I don't even remember how I figured out during my most recent factory reset earlier this year lol.
That's it, I'm learning Linux like my friends said to already do.
Flying at the speed of light towards linux rn
My Windows 11 computer would not let me update to the newest version because the computer is on a local account. I am happy with that.
Thanks, what does one type after pressing "Shift + F10" to make a local M$ account?
You type OOBE\BYPASSNRO into the terminal. Then once it reboots again, open the terminal again and type in ipconfig /release.
Type "00BE\BYPASSNR0" then re-boot and select "no internet"
Check video description... there's a link under Sources
@@salty_deez I've written the answer above from the cited Ars Technica article 'Microsoft removes documentation for switching...'
@@fellowcitizen
That no longer works. M$ disabled that, people already made videos on yourtube and other video websites about this.
I have one Windows device in the whole house; an old Surface tablet that I use to update the firmware on XBox and Playstation controllers that we use to game on our Steam Decks and Linux PCs.
Never ever. Don't use software that required remote approval to run. Yes, that includes Steam.
Telegram was never about security. Just convenience.
what linux would recommend to switch to?
Stock debian will fit most, there's also mint and cinnamon that will fit the bill for most.
Just don't bother with Ubuntu distro, ubuntu is trying to be the 'microsoft of linux'.
New to Linux? Mint or Pop! If gamer with recent GPU, Pop! OS. Gaming on Linux takes some doing still, but you'll have the driver situation sorted. Mint otherwise. Debian for servers.
Mint or Pop_OS. If your use case is basic browsing and computer tasks and you enjoy eye-candy and kind of a brainless transition from windows try ZorinOS. But Mint and Pop also have amazing hardware support and will encourage you to learn about the OS, and the community is more fond of the teams behind these 2 than Zorin
"takes some doing" is overegging it a bit. If you game mostly on steam, it's a case of changing one setting in the steam client via the menu, and the vast, vast, majority of any given steam library will just work.
Consider Manjaro KDE. I've postponed going linux for almost 10 years because everytime I tried a debian based distro people recommended(ubuntu, mint etc.), the thing would break in creative ways the moment I needed some non-ancient package versions. I have Manjaro installed on 5 different machines and they have yet to break in a way I could not fix for the past 5 years.
Never installed tiktok app. Some smart people anticipated this to happen. Millions walked into the trap like chicken.
I will never use Windows 11, i would go from Windows 10 to linux but never to Win 11.
Fuck Win 11 spyware and bloatware OS.
clearly Microsoft is NOT a monopoly and is OK with competition... i mean.. if they were... they would be forcing its users into things they do not want and they aren...... oh wait.
oh.. and what about Caption8169? Have you still not had time to answer his parecon question?
There is another workaround for setting up a local account:
Configure for Work or school -> sign-in options -> Use Domain instead
I've also unplugged my ethernet cord and it works on 10.
Yeah goodbye Microsoft. Hello Linux
Workaround that most people seem to miss to create a local account. Choose to set the account up for "Work or School", then select "domain join". It will completely skip the Microsoft sign in process and let you create a local account, it never actually forces you to join to a domain.
It seems like Microshaft really wants me to use Linux.
just pull the lan cable on account setup and return on update stage
Why don't you add timestamps for each news?
And this is why I trashed windows for a non ms OS.
I shouldn't have to make an account in someone's database in the middle of nowhere that they have full control over to access my computer.
You can make a local account by using ventoy to boot the win11 iso while being offline! No commands needed.
i am at a lost with microsoft. why are they encouraging their customers, in this privacy conscious era, away from using their OS?
isn't it much the same with Samsung phones and having to sign in to a Samsung account in order to update Samsung apps (or be allowed to use them in certain cases)
No cuz this is making being a full time Linux user with occasional macOS REALLY appealing
I mean, Apple does the same thing…even if you only create a local account, you can’t access the app store without an account being added to the device…while you can install the apps outside the app store, are they all available outside of the app store?
Automatically backing up your OneDrive folders which default to the default user folders - Will horrify most corporations ...
Glad I switched to Linux a few weeks ago, it feels more enjoyable to use than even Windows 10.
I just installed Windows 11 this weekend, rufus option to bypass the Microsoft account didn't worked.
Rufus had the latest version? ;-)
How many of these breaches are Windows servers?
Before my recent upgrade to linux mint, I had some sort of microsoft account issue that made me signed out and technically a local account
every time i logged in for the day, it begged me to sign into my account again a way that required task manager to say no to, and at one point didnt let me sign in until i finally gave my microsoft password (which still kept it as a local account for some reason??)
Gotta say, i do not miss those prompts at all. I'm missing out on one thing, minecraft bedrock edition, and I'm *really* not all that torn up about it.