The BEST Toolbox of 2023? Sonic NEXT ToolBoxes: Best in Class!
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You guys know I have been very vocal about SONIC and how these guys are the unsung heroes of the tool and toolbox world. It is surprising to me how these are way nicer than the equivalent Snap-On boxes that people spend double and triple on, but it makes sense when you look at how those companies are setup with triple and quadruple margins built in.
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So here is the deal. I've spent time, hands on, with pretty much every tool box and cabinet that I could get my hands on. Shark, Vault, Baldhead, Saber, Haley, Snap-On, Sonic, (All the cheap ones like Gladiator, Husky, New Age), Moduline, Craftsman, Harbor Freight stuff, Beta, Hazet, Lista, Rousseau, etc. I've done this not as a dealer, but as a consumer wanting to purchase for myself. Dare I say, outside of the people that make the cabinets, I've probably had more time with various brands than most anyone. I've literally traveled around the country touching tool boxes.
Personally, I don't have a Sonic or any other tool box. For me, tool boxes are too small. I have fixed cabinet arrays at home and at my studio. If we were to take storage size out of the equation as you'd always win getting a cabinet array and just look at the rest of the package, Snap-On cabinets/tool storage is near the bottom of my list. I'll never forget Tommy Goldberg questioning my sanity when I said Snap-On tool boxes are not even close to the best. Then I took him to the booth at SEMA and watched him open the drawer and see the light bulb go off. 2 to 3 times the cost, and although not the worst, they are not great. They are shiny, which makes them always fingered up. Then they get scratched because you are constantly wiping them down. The drawer glides and wobble to the design as you operate them is easily the wonkiest of all tool boxes. The four finger drawer latch system is really weird although likely expensive to create, feels super cheap. The only drawer latch I find worse is the one from Rousseau. The good part about the Snap-On latch is it works, Rousseau you have to get it just right to be able to open the drawer.
Since everyone is touting the superior construction of a Snap-on, why wouldn't you want Austrian drawer glides instead of the cheap ones they use? The Sonic drawer glides are also basic, but they have more feedback and feel sturdier. Snap-on's solution to a "heavy" drawer is to just add two slides per side instead of one. Lista/Rousseau.
So...we have a Taiwanese built to Dutch spec tool box that has a far superior fit and finish to all the brands I've listed above. It has inferior drawer glides to Lista/Rousseau, and are generally smaller. The smaller options are much more appropriate for a rolling box for most home garages. I have never done, and likely will never have anything to do with car dealerships, so I don't care much about the argument of how a tool box should function in that environment. For my garage, I'm getting either a Lista box and deal with the American made fit and finish issues or a Sonic box that perfectly fits the best organization system that currently exists.
100% Agreed!!! When you're paying $10,000+ for a Snap On tool box, array, etc. and you get the quality you get it's fair to say its complete garbage. There's always a dilemma of how Chinese made stuff is cheap, low quality, etc. but when it comes to Taiwan and their manufacturing the precision, fit and finish is unbeatable. Same with the Japanese and German stuff. The KTC nepros tools ratchet's chrome plating, quality, fit and finish puts a Snap-On ratchet to absolute shame! I've been following Matt for quite a while now and its obvious he really takes the time to understand and test all this stuff out down to the tiniest detail so he knows what he's talking about. I understand everyone has different experiences but it's beyond me how one would spent that type of money on Snap-On for the quality you're getting unless you're committed to the idea of getting "Made in USA", products.
Amen!
Came here for the comments and was not disappointed!
Imagine not owning a Snap On tool box and then defending them to the hills with no validation against the competition. Some people need a reality check
Damn, there’s a lot of hate on this, I think it’s because your basically saying Snap On boxes are garbage and everyone has there own opinions of stuff but on the other hand people are saying Sonic is garbage, I don’t know I have neither box. Can we all just agree that they are two completely different boxes for different people and situations?
Lmfao. OK bro. Have fun with your Mickey Mouse toolbox. I agree you wouldn’t need a Snap-On tool box for all the washing, polishing and detailing you do on your cars… but saying you’d just put one out on the curb and saying that SONIC toolboxes are far superior is not a statement to be taken seriously from anyone watching this. Especially coming from someone who’s never done more than changing oil or taking a wheel off a car.
Nice floors though.
Ah...yes the old blue collar superiority complex. That's my favorite.
@@ObsessedGarage Proud to be blue collar brotha. 🍻
@@ObsessedGarage what’s part of the plan? You learning to actually turn a wrench? 🍿
I can see that.
Amen @NSXavierTV this guy is kicking his potential customers and wonders why we as in blue collar people don't like it
4:11; When I worked at a dealership, we wouldn't need spray cans, but that space would have been very useful for a bolt lubricant spray for stubborn bolts or a brake cleaner for messy jobs.
Snapon toolboxes are made in Algona Iowa, by Americans with American sourced materials. A 30" deep epiq has drawers that are just under 28" deep, and 62" wide. The case and drawers are made out of steel, not aluminum. Lifetime warranty and since snapon makes their product they can get parts for boxes 40+ years old.
The sonic box, going off his measurements and their website i cant figure out why the box is about 9-10" wider and about 5" deeper than the biggest drawer. They strangely look alot like the crap matco puts out
There is a reason every manufacturer of toolboxs tries to compare their toolbox to snapon. They build something cheaper then market it as being the same or better.
If we want to be more fair as far as storage space in either cubic-in or sq-in, you are probably closer to a snapon KCP1422. So you are looking at just over 8k MSRP which you'd probably pay closer to high 5k? But be getting USA made box. That has been engineered and built to be durable, and still look amazing. Oh and has a power drawer for your made in Murphy NC power tools...
If you put your hands on a Snap-On Epiq then these, even if they cost the same, I'd buy this.
@ObsessedGarage you obviously have never been near a epiq. If you're around the the nyc, NJ area I'll give you a tour of mine and you'll change your mind.
@@willc5979 I've spent tons of time with them. I wanted one more than I wanted a 911. That was until I got my hands on one.
@@ObsessedGarage you obviously have no idea what your talking about, you claimed that snap on didn't make there own boxes😂😂. Your a salesman. I hope you feel good bout the false information your putting out.
Was so ready to talk smack but they have full extension drawers lol, that was my biggest pet peeve when i was shopping for a box years ago! Looks like some awesome boxes.
No doubt PLENTY of fodder for the upcoming podcast! Should be plenty of laughs.
I definitely agree on the cost of Snap-On boxes being ridiculous, but they are far from being shit toolboxes. Personally for me I think Snap-On do better drawer layouts with their boxes than what Sonic has to offer but there are other brands offering similar setups. Only reason I own a Snap-on box is I live in New Zealand and we don't exactly have a good selection to choose from.
Here in Australia same thing
I'm sure he is paid to promote these toolboxes so any shit talk with other things is worth its weight. It's be nice if someone could send me boxes and test them out. Lol
Nice boxes but the Sonic logo on the bottom ruins it with the cheap look. Is it a decal that can easily be removed? YOU are the one who removes badges off of all your cars so you might understand where I am coming from.
Nice infomercial!
I really like the video u showed tool box I usually have to forward the hole video till the end when you finally showed the tool box
Boils down to, do I want to spend money on tools or the storage? The Husky drawers have worked just fine for me, I'd rather splurge extra on tools and spend it on projects. You can only reinvent a drawer so much. If I really see that the standard husky stuff isnt enough, I might get the pro version and call it a day. Those are Car prices for a full set for tools boxes, not even tools lol.
so we just forget about the video where you were organizing 3k tools or something like that, and your guys are on hot mic saying sonic tools suck.
What? Ha, ha…
I love the hate everyone is giving like on one side he did ask for it with the lack of knowledge of snap on boxes. Snap On does make their own boxes and has better layout. Snap on has great boxes that get improvements based on what auto, aviation, moto, and race car techs say. Saying that snap on makes crap is ignorant. That being said layout, locking mechanism, styling, and if it only fits screwdrivers in one drawer with no extra room is honestly personal preference. If he likes how that box looks and feels then screw it not my money. It’s like saying you prefer matco ratchets over snap on. I know so many people that use so many companies of toolboxes. I prefer snap on boxes with the only gripe is my prybars are too long for the drawers but my buddy prefers matco boxes. At the end of the day it’s personal preference and if anyone wants to combat me with this say how I know. I work on off-road race vehicles as well as normal automotive and I have used harbor freight stuff and it work just fine in some situations
I'm still pretty sure they are contract manufactured by someone else in the US. I've spent a lot of time with them. They aren't good. Sorry.
I'm actually looking at SONIC for my kitchen design... have you seen anyone using them for that? Looking for build ideas... even considering the price point.
I haven’t seen that, but could be cool in the right place.
Hey Matt, i’m thinking the detent is stronger on the roll around cabinet because it’s mobile. One way to check the MSS+ 870 is Mobil so if the detent is stronger than the non-mobile.MSS+ then they are simply beefing up the mobile cabinets which would make sense. and by the way, I have a 1985 craftsman toolbox top cabinet there is no detent the drawers lock when you close the lid, bottom cabinet no detent the drawers lock only with the key. Definitely planning on getting MSS as I need a corner configuration and of course they’re much more affordable one of these days have a great one.
Snap On makes their own toolboxes
I want an S12XD so bad. And Snap-On dont have anything on Sonic
Yeah ok 🤣🤣🤣
@@FusionBoost2.0 Do they even come with tools? Foam inlays?
@@CaptainBreny No you buy you're own tools 🤣 and snap on sells pretty well anything now in foam
@@CaptainBreny sorry you don't like good tools
@@FusionBoost2.0 A new Snap-On kmp1022 cost 12 fu*ing grand. No Foam. No nice closing drawers like the Sonic boxes. Now im even more in shock after googling prices for snap-on boxxes 😆
I was very unimpressed when I saw my first Snap On live. WTF ? LISTA, HAZET, etc is another level. Cheers from Germany.
Porsche and Audi uses Sonic tool storage, says a lot.
Matt would be singing a different song if he had the rights to SELL snappy stuff… but he doesn’t. Because he’s not an AD.
You need to put in work, buy a truck, and manage a route to get that right.
Only reason he’s pushing this SONIC bs is because he’s a distributor and has the rights to sell it.
Nope, I pursued Sonic due to their foam inlay and cabinets.
@@ObsessedGarage That’s a good reason.
@@ObsessedGarage almost everyone has foam inlays. Including Snap-on where you can have them customized.
The Snap-on inlays are not good. Custom inlays are never as nice. I’ve had quite a few of them.
Agreed. He cant make $$ so he talks shit about it 😂😂 snap on is #1.
Where was sonic 100 years ago? 😅
i think the detent is there to dampen the force when you throw the drawer closed
For me, quality overrides where it was made. We're all from the same planet. The old adage " you get what you pay for" applies here, as well.
Snap on is not the be-all end-all of tool boxes. They're just not. While I appreciate the fit and finish of these Sonic boxes, in the end I still think I'd rather have a made in USA, made in Canada, or made in Europe box that's a little "rough around the edges" but will last me my lifetime over a made in Asia box that looks nicer but will only hold up half as long. Maybe these Sonics are the exception to that but so far I haven't seen anything from Asia holding up over the long term.
Agreed
Sonic is a Dutch company
@ obsessedgarage Are you huffin’ paint again buddy?
I am not. Most people that have bought a Snap-on box have never experienced others outside of Matco or Craftsman. I've had hands on almost all of them.
Decided on Mac over Snap-on 20yrs ago. Got a 50% student discount at the time.
Nice boxes but most auto, diesel, heavy equipment and aviation technicians use and need some type of variety of drawer depth sizes. Most of those boxes lack that. Also need to roll around a big shop like for heavy equipment and aviation facilities. Like I said nice boxes just lack what most of us need.
15:50 What is this red array? I can’t find a video on it?
This is a new line Matt and the team are working on. It can be shipped flat-packed. It was discussed in inside the hex.
@@PabloConcrete Nice I will go watch that one.
@@PabloConcrete Can you relay any info on it? I'm intrigued
It is a cabinet line that my friend invested in years ago and ended up with the IP and some left over stock. He shipped me enough to put an array together. I hate pretty much everything about it, but it is a good starting point toward making my own line that fits in between the big box low-end stuff and the crazy stuff.
@@ObsessedGarage really cool concept. You will make it great.
I just wish the one that you like the height had. Let's draw's but 2 deep draws. If you know what I mean, please comment back. And how can I find out more about these toolboxes would love to call somebody or talk to somebody or something. Please comment back thank you
I don't know what you are asking.
The cabinets look legit. not sold on Sonic as a tool provider, but they are on top of the storage side. Agree that Snap-On and others in that strata are cruising, particularly at the price. It pains me to say, but at this point I think the Harbor Freight next generation line is a better buy than Snap On.
I need to put a machine that weighs 132 lbs on top of something like the S9. Can the top hold that much weight?
I think that would be okay.
Whats a toolbox that is between a sonic and lets say a nice Kobalt?
There really isn't one. There is a real void in the market.
Proto Toolboxes...right in the middle and very nice boxes.
You said the s9 box was 2300. And its 30 some inches wide 20 inches deep. A brand new lift top snap on 40" wide cart is 2300 msrp and you can definitely get it cheaper than that on a truck if you know your dealer. The lower end snapon boxes dont have the best slides but any of the higher end boxes have 250lb slides. Thats why the feel like crap when they are empty, theg are desigbed to have weight in them. Id love to see the top drawer of that s12 box bust when you have it full of sockets up to 1" drive. Notice how he doesnt even talk about the weight ratung of the slides😂
If the Epiq is junk, the lower end versions are even worse. If you have 1" drive, you'd better be buying a Lista.
One day Matt, one day!!
Snap on makes their own boxes, if you're going to try and push your free crap box and talk down on American made stuff at least get your facts correct. I'll put my snap on box up against your box. They can't even hold the same weight as a snap on box. Those cheap boxes don't compare to American made
If Made in USA was number one priority it would be Lista, Snap-on is not worth it as far as boxes. They are upcharging obscene money for their boxes in particular. unless you need the clout in your shop of owning a truck brand or plan on thrashing it and trading it in every so often. Good utilitarian toolboxes but msrp is 4x to high for what you get.
If you're coming from outside the OG community, Obsessed Garage isn't really appealing to the professional shop mechanic or oil rig pipe fitter.
Matt smokes a lot crack
The fit and finish of the Taiwan stuff is far superior to the $30,000 Lista array I just got. For example, I can pre-order a countertop, and it will fit exactly on a 20' Sonic array. I did the same thing with CAD file dimension of Lista and my countertop was over 1/2" short. Lista also has drips, wonky welds, and lean powdercoating spots. Now...I really like the Lista due to Austrian glides and drawer organization options, but I've seen them all. These Sonic boxes are my favorite. That's why I sell them. American made has a lack of precision that the German and Taiwan made stuff has.
@@ObsessedGarage Agreed, I like the clinical function of the Listas, Reminds me of being in a lab. However the fit and finish is not up to Sonic levels, at least the higher end Sonics.
If I was buying Sonic tools in the foam, I would get one of those 2 smaller boxes. And, I would get multiples if I needed more storage. The big box just isn't appealing. That big top drawer is just way too deep and wastes too much storage space. For those prices though, I would look at lot harder at Tekton boxes with better drawer slides and made in Canada.
The top drawer isn't a good fit for hand tools. It's the perfect size to store some power tools.
Only recently started following you Matt and so far you've really made me start to think about how crap snap-on really is especially the toolboxes and the ridiculous. As a diesel tech in the UK and getting to see all the boxes I completely agree with how rubbish the slides are. I did plan on getting an EPIQ as to be honest I didn't there was much better out there for the price, from my experience in the trade everyone has either Snap-on, Mac or just your generic cheap boxes. However these look extremely well built, but my question is will they be making a hutch/riser for these as it's a must in my workplace? But I appreciate the podcasts and your dedication to try and make people aware of quality products. Really opened my eyes thankyou.
I don’t think they will make hutches for them. I’d be inclined to do fixed cabinets if you plan to build a big box.
I think you’d want something other than this storage solution if you stored things, heavier than microfiber towels, and detail brushes. The amount of weight that you rattled off about storage capacity and castor capacity on these toolboxes are comically low in comparison to even the cheapest harbor freight box let alone a snap on box. The little four finger thing that you were talking about is the lock and roll system. You can literally take them out of the boxes. You don’t have to use that if you don’t want to it’s not a requirement before you start trashing your competitor you may wanna do a bit more research and maybe come up with a script or something. Snap on boxes are not made out of aluminum number one number 2 18 gauge toolbox steel is at the very bottom of the barrel. Again, Harbor freight toolboxes are made out of thicker material. You came off in this sounding like a clown. I don’t know if that was your intention or not, but you sounded misinformed and way out of your depth I would delete the video before too many people seen it, because you are ruining your credibility as a sales person.😂 I’d be the first to agree that snap on toolboxes are incredibly expensive for what they are however, I wouldn’t go out there and start calling them crap either.
If you saw what was in my office right now, you'd not make this comment. I have more access to information than you'd imagine. What you are experiencing is blue collar anger. It's okay, I'm used to it. You don't know what I know.
So we’ve gone from finding what is actually the best to promoting Taiwanese junk and talking down on what is objectively better.
Whatever fills your wallet I guess.
Right lol whatever can get my viewers to buy this junk so I can make a buck.
Ha, ha... If that Snap-on box wasn't $15,000, I'd buy one to compare for you. I'd have to throw it away when I was done with it. No one would buy it afterward.
@@ObsessedGarage if you buy a snap on box for 15k I feel bad for you lmao only idiots pay full msrp. I’m 8k in to a 68” epiq with a hutch and a locker. The locker alone could fit more shit than the biggest box you showed us.
This is the classic example I’m always talking about where people attach their self worth to an object they bought.
The tops of those look like the trash home depot sells 😂😂
You need to get your hands on a Beta tools toolbox!
Yeah, I've spent a little time with those. I believe they are made by the same company as Hazet. They looked very similar.
You’re a RUclipsr and a salesman for sonic, not a technician. Stay in your lane
There are a lot of good boxes and everyone try’s to talk down about snap on. They are hands down the very best and nobody can argue it. A great American made product. The sonic boxes are nice but are not in the class of snap on and not even close. “I’d put a snap on box on the curb” “snap on don’t even make them”
You really have no idea what your talking about with this. It discredits your opinion.
That is complete nonsense. I've spent time with pretty much every tool box. Snap-on would be close to my last choice and cost the most by 2-3 times.
@@ObsessedGaragewhich model snap on did you own? Disliked it that much?
@@555fourthstreet8 I had my Craftsman box, and the plan was always to get a giant Snap-On. My life goal was to get the truck to come by my personal garage weekly, so that I could build my box and tool collection. I think it was probably 2012 or 13 when I walked into my first Snap-On truck at Titan Motorsports. I'll never forget the day. They have some smaller tool box arrays holding stuff in the trucks. I opened the drawer with that goofy four finger latch business and proceed to wobble the drawer out. I couldn't believe it. It was like you just told me Santa Claus wasn't real. I thought...maybe it's just the stuff on the truck. Well, one of the Titan techs had a huge box. I had never really thought about the quality. It was simply one of those bias things. I always thought I would have a Snap-on box someday. I then went over to his box and proceed to confirm this nightmare. I thought, "This guy is in debt for the $20,000 array for likely the rest of his career, and this is it? This can't be." I continued to confirm my horror every time I touched one.
I got up early on the West Coast! 😂
STOP. Sonic does not finance. 99% of techs finance their tools and boxes. Sonic is made for the wealthy with expensive toys or dealerships themselves. I just got a 73' Classic series with a hutch and matching cart for 10K from snap on. The equivalent space in sonics systems ONLY comes from the MSS systems and even then they have zero large drawers only modular solutions. YOU CANNOT FINANCE WITH SONIC. Unless you're ready to pull out a personal loan from your bank which a vast majority are not you cannot get Sonic. I've had my s14 since 2017 and I love sonic. Most beautiful well crafted stuff I can find, is it realistic however for 90% of techs. No.
If it seems like i'm salty it's because I am. I wanted so bad to be a Sonic guy I really did. I even traveled to the BMW of north America shop just to see the MSS systems before I even though of buying. Legit breaks my heart.
One should not be financing tools.
Love it, but why do they have junk looking casters?
Because they are China made. What do you expect
The castors are pretty legit.
Personally i would rather just buy nice tools than spend more than 2 grand on a box..
Too bad every drawer is the same height.
These are the same price as snap on....
What? They are about 1/3 the price.
@@ObsessedGarage 57" wide roller cabinet is $5300+ freight, a 55" snapon is $5800.....no freight from the tool truck. You save a few hundred
That's for their junk entry level stuff. Epiq is the only acceptable box, and it's $14K.
Are sonic products made in China? Just cabinets or tools too?
A lot of the tools are.
@@ObsessedGarage oh. Thought you said in the video that these cabinets were made in China too. Maybe I misheard you
Yep, piece of shit Chinese tools that are fine for someone who wants it to look pretty and not use em to wrench more than once a week for a brake job or an oil change.
@@ryanclark8980 How many have you owned?
@@ryanclark8980we use sonic in our garage in the netherlands. No problem.
Yeah.... Sorry Matt, But Snap on Makes better Boxes By a large margin... I do not forsee these boxes taking the abuse in the real world of technicians Who put there stuff through hell
If I was a mechanic, I would have this or a Lista toolbox. I also wouldn’t have an infinite loan with a tool truck guy.
@@ObsessedGarage I paid 4500$ for my box with hutch 🤨.
But you are not a mechanic, unless you have been a mechanic (not a service tech or parts changer) then with all due respect you have no idea
@@yamfingaz5598 been doing it for 10 years
@@yamfingaz5598What is a parts changer?
Here to reply to a comment and it’s was deleted…
I haven't deleted any comments.
24:55
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Snap-on boxes(owners) are the C4 Corvettes(owners) of the tool cabinet world.
C4? How did you figure this?
Yep...
Yeah Snap-on makes their own boxes and they hold up over time. Snap-on even put a few of their boxes under a Peterbuilt truck and the drawers opened up no problem. Sonic is just for dudes who want to store their tools to look at them periodically or to claim that they are “mechanically inclined. To sum it up: you’re not fooling anyone
😂😂😂
The fact that you don't have your facts straight on Snap-on not making their own toolboxes only shows you don't know much and that you don't like them that's one thing. But we as in us blue collar people as your potential customers and reading the comments I don't understand your business model you have a good video here but why you had to bring up Snap-on blows my mind. I have bought Tool Grid stuff from you in the past but that's not going to happen again. Have a good day. Yours truly A lost customer
Sorry man. My intent is not to offend. I have a ton of experience with tool boxes. I've literally flown across the country to get hands on different stuff. This guy does a good job explaining why I was so disappointed with the Epiq I thought I was destined to own. ruclips.net/video/m7ph_QPTZdY/видео.html
😂😂😂😂😂
Supporting companies like sonic is why china has become a superpower we pay for them to grow and take over
You know Taiwan isn't a part of China right? I understand that some raw material (might) be supplied from China to Taiwan to produce these but, China is communist and Taiwan is a democracy.
Don't get me wrong, I much prefer an American made tool/product but it's very important to point out the differences between those two countries.
@@Shade_Tree_Mechanic😂 you know how fast china can take them over lol china letting them build there wealth they will do same thing Russia's doing buddy
@@valledecauca1087 If that happens its ww3 you know that right?Taiwan owns computers...USA would have to go to war with China if they invaded Taiwan..
Made in USA boxes out of steel, and an Epiq doesn’t have latches like that. Maybe educate yourself on the products before you talk shit on them 😂🤡
Have you ever seen these in person? I have. The latch on Snap-on drawers is one of the parts that makes it not good.
@@ObsessedGarage a guy at a shop I was at had one, and I’ve looked at them every year they’ve been at SEMA, and a close family friend has one in his personal garage.
I hope you get sued by snap on for the lies you are trying to spread.
Ha, ha... They know I'm right.
@Obsessed Garage No, you're actually spreading lies. There is no aluminum in snap on boxes, and they are the industry leader in tool boxes. Your little box you seem to like is the same price point as a full-size snap on cart. No one pays list price for boxes. The only reason you are pushing your Taiwanese tool boxes is because you get a piece of the sale. Snap on tool boxes are USA made in algona Iowa with USA steel.