One theory I have is that Rockstar wanted Arthur and Co. go to New Austin through Mexico after Guarma, instead of directly going to Roanoke Ridge. However this would prove too ambitous for an already delayed game so they axed Mexico and froze New Austin in time.
which begs the question where the hell did they even come from if john states he was never in new austin to bonnie in the first game? that means they weren’t originally down there so why not flee to new austin first
They would not go to New Austin, Arthur could travel to NA himself however it's just a free roam area, theres some 1899 stuff like 1899 armadillo being overrun with scarlet fever but everything was nearly the same as John
@@snxffys6436 They came from somewhere called North Elizabeth iirc, north of Ambarino. The gang's plan was to escape to New Austin after the Blackwater Heist.
@pasha_0791 They were in the Northern Grizzlies before Blackwater. Arthur writes about how they were traveling the area shortly prior to Dutch learning about the ferry job. And it was where they ran into and recruited Charles, Lenny, Jenny, and Micah.
The barn in McFarlands Ranch not being present in 1907 should also be a clue for NA being rushed. It theoretically should be there because by the time of RDR1 (which takes only four years later in 1911) looks like its been there for much longer then four years.
and bonnie mentions drew built the barn when she was "just a little girl". considering bonnie is in her mid twenties by rdr, yeah the dates dont add up
I remeber this guy who has his own head canon. Imagine that the guy looking after the place burnt it down or something on accident and rebuilt it before the family came back.
The Blackwater Robbery was never, at any point, intended to be shown. The story relies on it NOT being shown, because otherwise the true nature of Dutch would be obvious to everyone. There's no way to recover the trust of players who actually see Dutch murder an innocent mother, which is exactly why we follow the footsteps of Arthur and only ever "hear" about it. Chapter 1, on the other hand, was going to be much longer originally, but it was always set in the Grizzlies. We know this for definitive fact because of interviews post-release. To add, the Grizzlies actually weren't that much bigger. Most of what was there before still remains, for both West and East. What was actually lost to the map changes was Cumberland Forest, and the top side of Roanoke, which nearly all of both was cut. Which is honestly unfortunate, because keeping the Grizzlies East on the northern side of the map would've helped with the illusion of 5 States.
The Grizzlies were planned to be a much larger area with a habitable town, that's why Tempest Rim is inaccessible in the final game despite being on the map.
@@musicalhistory4392 Not really. Grizzlies West was significantly smaller while Grizzlies East seems to have only lost some of its edges, but for the most part most of it seems to exist still. Where are you getting the town info though?
No town was planned. It was Colters original location that was placed at Tempest Rim. Tempest Rim would be the tutorial/chapter 1 area, Adlers ranch was also moved around and actually still has old paths leading towards the Tempest Rim mountains. You can find pathways leading all around the Tempest mountains, probably leading to hunting areas with Charles, to the train, Adlers ranch etc etc. Before they were all moved to different locations. No the pathways lead nowhere. The whole Tempest mountain seems like it was moved to a different location. A lot of things seem to be moved around in the Grizlies to optimise the flow of chapter 1, it's why the Grizlies are so restricted. They butchered and moved around the locations so much that they had to restrict most of it in free roam. Lack of time as usual is the reason its left so baren and unused.@@musicalhistory4392
-They were in fact several versions of Guarma in development. There were multiple map concepts found; ones ranging from a small island to the one we got which is around the size of 2 New Austins. And there was supposed to be a little island off the coast of Guarma too which explains the one you pointed to. -There MIGHT have been a scrapped prologue originally, but I don't think it would've exceeded drafting stages. The 2016 leaked map even shows that Colter was always set as the intro area. And there hasn't been any strings or evidence in the files of a Blackwater opening. I think it's more likely that the Grizzlies chapter itself was longer. We know there was originally some more to it like Arthur's family, Isaac freezing to death and Eliza running away in grief. -I won't say RDR2's New Austin being built off RDR1's is entirely false. Sure, it wasn't just lifted from the original and upscaled, but a lot of textures and an inaccessible interiors were reused from the first game according to dataminers. Probably because they added it in last minute, like you said. Same with Mexico. Amazing video, man. I loved seeing your improve and refine the editing and information from the first part. And your commentary is very enjoyable imo.
textures were not reused at all, they were recreated however the areas are unfinished like the Armadillo bank interior and the lower half of Gaptooth Breach
@SomeClassyToast I did read a few times about there being resued assets in towns. But the source of information could've been wrong, and I don't recall exactly where, so I won't argue otherwise. I'll just take your word for it because you deem clearly knowledgeable about this arena. I've seen your posts about New Austin on the rdr subreddit.
The fact that they basically modeled the entirety of Mexico from the first game raises a major question. Did Rockstar just rip the map from the first game, put it in the improved RAGE engine, and model the rest of the map on top of it? If not, why did they feel obligated to remake Mexico, with the soundtrack from rdr1, but not make it accessible? Makes me sad that they didn't do anything with Mexico, or New Austin in general. Would've been cool to see some shit going down in Mexico during Arthur's story.
@@anthony-4756 Let's be real, they shifted focus to GTA online and development of GTA VI. Unfortunately, RDR2 was a testing ground and a token of appeasement for fans awaiting a sequel to RDR. Arguably the best game of all time stifled by it's creators in chase of further economical success.
It's crazy that rockstar made guarma almost as big as the entire normal playable map only to give us just 1 tiny spot. Plus that other little island. You can tell they had bigger plans. The sad part is it sold well, they made tons of money and yet didn't go back to add dlc. These areas could've been fleshed out, add new side quests, anything but yet nothing
To this day I still think this game & story would have fared better if they hadn't had the Guarma chapter. Took so much time and resources from the main game, which resulted in really weird pacing/story decisions towards the end.
The Guarma chapter felt so out of place. Would've took away nothing if Guarma was removed from the game. It'd make more sense if the gang took a boat all the way to thieves landing and had a chapter in New Austin. But Rockstar just got too ambitious for their own good.
@@sm0k3y56I completely disagree, pulling away from the main game makes a sense of urgency to get back to the main story, putting all of the characters into a lot stress especially Dutch, making what happens in chapter 6 more believable
@@steveleopard6761 I disagree with you, this sense of "urgency" is because many players wanted nothing to do with the island. All I wanted to do was go back so I could enjoy free roam in a map I could invest time in. Guarma just seems like the absolute worst choice when a transition into New Austin, Tall Trees, Thieves Landing, etc would have made much more sense for the narrative. Bad from a gameplay sense, bad from a storytelling perspective. I cannot fathom being a Guarma apologist, especially when the content was neutered and the result was a lackluster on rails experience.
I was in Mexico RDR2 2 Days ago, And what was very cool, There were also Town sounds in the game, You could hear dogs and horse sounds when you´re in a town
Yup I notice, also, there is squares of different textures to the environment of Mexico. I think those squares are where the houses and buildings are supposed to be
It actually makes sense for Arthur to be locked out of New Austin as he says that the whole gang was pushed from the West, what supports this is Sheriff Sam Freeman has lines calling out Arthur when he sees him, clearly stating that the Van der Linde gang gained so much notoriety that all the western states got word of their escapades while they’re still relatively unknown in the east of the country. Still, I think including New Austin and making it only accessible for John makes it a good end-game reward for longtime fans of the game to have a little throwback, and seeing all the towns being familiar but vastly different, with Armadillo being nearly dead and Tumbleweed being full of noise and bustle.
Its my favourite game of all time but the amount of cut content really makes me sad. I hope we all get the chance of seeing the full potential of this game in the future, or at least someone who worked on it tell us why so much was removed
To add they most likely couldn’t fit it in the game and with all of this content and quality wouldn’t work on the Xbox one and PS4 only way all of this could work would be on pc and new gen
My guess is that the opening mission was the gang being chased through the snow which served as the combat tutorial. The gang would be saved by a freak avalanche that wipes out the Pinkertons and they would then flee to Colter.
I just wanna mention this, but on the map you can find random out of place areas which have the text “Wanted Dead or Alive” labeled onto them; specifically under the “R” in Grizzlies East & on the East bank of the Lannahechee adjacent to Van Horn. If you compare the leaked maps from 2016-17 to the final in-game map, these spots where this text is shown roughly correspond to the old locations of Fort Wallace & Sisika, which is the reason why hovering over Ft. Wallace & Sisika themselves doesn’t show that text. This next bit is just hearsay I’ve heard from a guy I watch, but apparently there’s a sign underneath the map from a pre-release (2016; maybe 17) of RDR2 that indicates where Ft. Wallace & other places were at some point It’s actually really interesting how there are so many holdovers from the 2016-17 versions of RDR2
I always assumed that arthur went to mexico some time while john was inprisoned or something maybe after guarma and than they would have had to have snuck past blackwater getting back to saint denis and thats why in the trailer they're with sadie adler in blackwater riding away .. but at the time they felt that the story would be all over the place and they batched it
@@Avonte76I don’t think this is the same scene that the OP is talking about but there is a scene with Arthur in Blackwater tackling someone on the docks in one of the trailers videos, maybe that is what they were referring to?
I occasionally go to Mexico both in Online and in the Singeplayer just to explore around the areas that Iv visited so many times in the first game. My favorite area to visit in the first game was Mexico. The ambient music was amazing and overall I just liked the terrain, the buildings, and how lawless it was. Going around it in RDR2 just makes me feel empty seeing locations I know the exact areas to where they use to be. Hearing the ambient music and sometimes ambient noises (Dogs barking, and People chatting) occasionally lowkey kinda brings a tear to my eye. I have a lot of Nostalgia for the first game as I played it a lot throughout 2010-2011. It’s a shame we probably won’t be seeing a remastered Mexico in the RDR2 engine in a veeery long time or not at all.
You should look out for the Mexico mod on PC, it's pretty much completely returning RDR1's Mexico; still in early access but super impressive where it's at, and the closest thing you'll get to a remaster.
New Austin is not stuck in 1899, It's Stuck in a bit of a mix, Cholera is for 1907 New Austin as 1899 was Scarlet fever, Sheriff freeman and the armadillo crier have unused 1907 versions of their outfits and theres a cut armadillo station clerk with both 1899 and 1907 outfits, Arthur could go to NA however the gang would not follow, arthur could go just as a free roam area
I agree. Stuck in between is more accurate imo. Because there's clearly 1907 elements like aged up store owners and the cholera in Armadillo instead of the Scarlet Fever, like you said, which is mentioned as the plague at the time in the main story newspapers.
in RDR2 Javier seemed completely certain that he could NEVER return to Mexico. yet in RDR1 you would think he spent his whole entire life there. I feel like a mission in New Austin with a couple run ins with the Del Lobos and Javier would've really helped establish that part of the future.
Damn shame we didn’t get any Guarma content in Online. Would’ve been great if they added an option to sail to the island in free roam or at the very least have some missions take place there
As much as I love this video, it just reminds me how badly Rockstar failed by releasing RDR2 in the state it was in. There's so much obviously unfinished content. That's what happens when you have studio executives breathing down your neck, though.
An alternate prologue could have been the gang making its way through the west before the ferry job in blackwater up to the point it happened. From what I understood from arthurs journals is that he was off with hosea on a property scam when dutch, micah and some other were doing the ferry heist. So it would still leave what happened a mystery but we could have gotten some free roam in new austin and mexico as arthur before they had to flee.
It actuallyakes zero sense for john to be in new austin (as it's his first time there in rdr1) but makes sense for arthur. Picture arthur on one of his "adventures" as ms grimshaw calls it, he goes to new austin by himself by sneaking through yhe great plains (as bringing the whole gang would be yoo obvious) and faffs around in new austin himself. In the epilogue john can in theory go there but its not cannon at all
7:14 i was actually exploring the next to san luis river in gaptooth ridge and it started playing the same rdr1 mexico background ost. It hit me with so much nostalgia, Idk what i did to start playing it. I think it was when i started looking towards mexico and using binoculars to see it better, i'm on ps4 btw.
I think it makes sense, that New Austin and Mexico were added late, and not meant to be in the game originally. Based on the original map leak but also story-wise since they never visit these places in the story and it would kinda break with the first game. I don't think they would add this because of players' outcry. Makes more sense to me to add this due to Red Dead Online and let players revisit their favorite places. This would be why it is stuck in time since online takes place in 1898 (?). Then they just decided to let players visit there in the epilogue as well since they already had the content. They probably wanted to let us do more but due to time, we got this empty version, which just added more questions. This would explain why there is audio for Arthur since they wanted this area to be available but locked it off due to the place being stuck in time and there was no point in making 2 versions of the place since no story takes place there. New Austin overall gives off this unfinished vibe and I kinda wish they would just have not bothered. I wonder if Mexico ever was meant to be explored or if the idea was to have the Mexican army stop you, kind of like in other rockstar titles where they block you off with police if you try and access certain areas too early. On the other hand, if I'm not misremembering there were fast travel references to cities in Mexico so perhaps this went through multiple iterations. Maybe the last idea was to just have it blocked off by the Mexican army but not even that did they have time for. Having a Mexico DLC for online maybe? But then they removed most of the references to Mexico which could mean that they killed off these plans. So many questions. Would love it if a dev just gave it to us so we could stop wondering. I don't know. Just ramblings. I think they should have spent more time in these areas or just cut them out. Mexico for online would have been cool. Overall, the whole New Austin area makes me depressed and it feels disrespectful to the first title.
New Austin shouldn't have been in the game. it only serves as nostalgia for the players that have played the first game but it also makes no sense whatsoever because John mentions he has never been to New Austin before to Bonnie. anyways. what would have been more logical to do is to have an actual living town in Ambarino, in the snow. and I already have a plan. maybe Colter in the epilogue should have been repopulated with NPCs and basically have a saloon, gunsmith, general store, etc. once you reach the epilogue and finish the story with John, the game feels so damn empty of life and nothing interesting to do. especially in New Austin and Ambarino. even the Indian Wapiti Reservation is gone. Ambarino is basically empty. only wildlife. so yeah. Ambarino should have been much better developed with at least a living town. and don't have New Austin in the game. it was completely unnecessary and probably only in the game because Rockstar wanted to use it for RDR Online but also decided to include it in the singleplayer mode.
Arthur was supposed to go to new Austin to show how the west was tamed. Hear me out, call me crazy, but think about it, the game starts saying how the west was mostly tamed. In magicians for sport, in high honor, Arthur says that the west ain't how he remembers, so, maybe, it makes sense to show us how everything was changing or has changed
Be cool if rockstar would restore a lot of the beta content as story dlc… then again given the rdr remaster just being a resell, I doubt it would ever happen.
It’s quite easy to get to guarma from new austin, going through Mexico without mods. I would just look it up if I were you, but it’s a lot easier and faster than the Lemoyne method.
The fact that this game that turns out was pretty rushed is still the single most impressive game there is to date just says something about Rockstar's quality. I hope GTA VI delivers, because they probably rushed RDR2 to get most of its devs back to work on GTA
RDR2 is not a rushed game. It only appears rushed because this is literally out of bounds. The amount of things you can experience from finding a wholly mammoth skeleton to a Vampire feasting in Saint Denis is crazy.
Rockstar's ambitious Projects... Guarma? Look at the size!!!! What were they thinking!?? They could've focused on the main map more than Guarma and scrapped guarma, or saved it for like GTA6 or something... Imagine how big the main map could've been... Northern native lands and southern mexico lands, we could've had all that had they not spent time doing the guarma stuff. Which they then abandoned and only use for one short chapter... I say it was a terrible use of developer time and effort. But devs probably learned a lot and are now making GTA6 which is all tropical. Can't wait.
They shouldn't have added new austin since it was empty. They did cut places from west elizabeth though like manzanita post train station you can see it on 1.00 map, And i wish they did focus on John Marston's epilogue look and story. They should've gone with 2016 map with new hanover having yellow grass since it is actually more accurate since it takes place in wyoming
It would've been cool if R* made the RDR1 port an expansion to RDR2 instead where similarly to the Epilogue there's a time skip between the end of Epilogue 2 and when RDR1 starts and you continue on and play RDR1's story Would've given R* a chance to fully finish New Austin and Mexico
at 3:40, after the cut, You can see the "go to location" icon typa cloud on the mini map flash. This further proves that Guarma was meant to be muuch bigger, such a shame. put the video in 0.25x speed and pause and unpause quickly and you'll see it
the intro to the segment is the stranger mission passed theme from rdr1, and the music during it is from enter, pursued by a memory when you're being chased by the wolves.
I don't mind that Arthur isn't able to go to New Austin, narratively there really isn't a reason to despite much of the gang's desire to flee west. I feel like that want is sort of a commentary in and of itself, how outlaws were able to better thrive westward whilst Dutch keeps everyone landlocked in the wrong areas. The problem here is where cynicism drips through. New Austin in RDR2 is left relatively unfinished in spite of some available side-content for John, sure, but its real purpose? To be repurposed and milked for content in Red Dead Online, which also takes place in 1899. There's many more nods to the future of RDR1 nestled there than even in the story. Which makes Rockstar essentially abandoning it all the more ironic.
The issue though with this is NA is still stuck in it's bugged halfway state with 1899 stuff and 1907 stuff meshed together; NA is just clearly unfinished.
I can't believe they abandoned RDR2 because they couldn't manage to sell enough Shark Cards, I mean, gold bars or whatever RDO had. They have all of New Austin and Mexico, hell even Guarma, to play with as DLC and RDO missions. Add an official Undead mode too, that footage you had looked pretty fun. They could totally revive RDO by doing that. Single player DLC's aren't dead either.
Why is Guarma loaded onto the same 'map' as the rest of the game? You only ever access it via a cutscene which could have disguised loading of a new map, so there must be some technical reason why they load Guarma at the same time, any ideas what that would be?
they did the same thing with north yankton in gta v. i wont pretend to know anything about development with the rage engine but honestly they probably just figure its easier than creating and loading an entire new map. also if red dead 2's starting load times are anything to go by, id imagine it would take a lot longer to load between guarma and the main map if they had done them seperate
It's worth mentioning that in Red Dead Redemption 1 John also mentions he's never been so far out west as New Austin, which is more proof that it was originally not intended to be in the game.
i was originally gonna use that as a point, but i couldnt find when he actually says it. if i remember he said it to bonnie during one of the early missions but im not completely sure
Idea during rdr2 4 More chapters added + chapter 4 and 5 Lengthened Gaurma has more things The New Chapter 1: Mexico Is playable from Javier's Perspective while he is escaping (So they can use the mexico part) like gta 5 then you meet Dutch he helps you Then you play as somebody like Dutch or Hosea for a bit then chapter two starts: Dutch In the blackwater massacre and the events them moving into the grizzlies then chapter 3 Replaces chapter 1 you now play as Arthur and its pretty similar just chapter 4 Is longer and chapter 5 + More gaurma things
That's a horrible idea and would screw with pacing so badly. Playing as so many characters. Also the game NOT showing Blackwater Massacre is IMPORTANT to the story and theme. Just like NOT showing John getting his scar. You meet the gang after the tipping point. You meet John after the tipping point.
That also doesn't make sense to add lines of code to something players will never see or do. "I just rode into mexico in the game and the theme played" "Uhh what tf?" These areas should be devoid of any development to make the actual play areas the player will be using, run smoother. But I'm sure that has to be an Easter Egg for those who manage it, something simple to add by a dev on their spare time
And in Red Dead Online they barely did anything with New Austin either. As someone who played RDR1 i love going to New Austin, but there's not much to do in Online either.
5:17 Fucking hell is this 2024 games have their entire map as big as this while Rockstar's there sitting, yeah let's just get this shit out the storyline, nothing big at all
If rockstar wanted to do a RDR2 remake, I'd be all for it. They could change up so of the story beats, add cut content even make the story change a bit.
If I had a nickel for every time Rockstar made you go to a shitty tropical island off the coast of the main map I’d have 2 nickels. Which isn’t a lot but seems lazy it happened twice.
Honestly, I wish NA and Mexico were completely cut from RDR2; they don't belong in the game as explorable territories and feel unfinished due to R* being unable to finish the provinces in time. It would've been honestly better off (or if R* gave the game more development time and didn't reveal it so early, then maybe we could've had a complete NA and Mexico)
I will die on this hill as well. The ambient soundtracks were waaaay better then RDR2. It really gave the vibe of the dying wild west. Going to different parts of the map actually felt really different. I know they tried this in RDR2 but it was way more impactful in RDR1.
Your animosity about New Austin is weird. While it is underutilized, the game is already stuffed to the brim with content and is actually a bit too long as it is imo. The epilogue is really pushing it. I was overjoyed when I discovered the Red Dead 1 map was in the game and I think it serves as just icing on the overall experience. The true tragedy of the unused content is Guarma, not New Austin.
One theory I have is that Rockstar wanted Arthur and Co. go to New Austin through Mexico after Guarma, instead of directly going to Roanoke Ridge. However this would prove too ambitous for an already delayed game so they axed Mexico and froze New Austin in time.
which begs the question where the hell did they even come from if john states he was never in new austin to bonnie in the first game? that means they weren’t originally down there so why not flee to new austin first
They would not go to New Austin, Arthur could travel to NA himself however it's just a free roam area, theres some 1899 stuff like 1899 armadillo being overrun with scarlet fever but everything was nearly the same as John
@@snxffys6436 They came from somewhere called North Elizabeth iirc, north of Ambarino. The gang's plan was to escape to New Austin after the Blackwater Heist.
@pasha_0791 They were in the Northern Grizzlies before Blackwater. Arthur writes about how they were traveling the area shortly prior to Dutch learning about the ferry job. And it was where they ran into and recruited Charles, Lenny, Jenny, and Micah.
@@themadtitan7603 Yeah not North Elizabeth, my bad.
The barn in McFarlands Ranch not being present in 1907 should also be a clue for NA being rushed. It theoretically should be there because by the time of RDR1 (which takes only four years later in 1911) looks like its been there for much longer then four years.
and bonnie mentions drew built the barn when she was "just a little girl". considering bonnie is in her mid twenties by rdr, yeah the dates dont add up
I remeber this guy who has his own head canon. Imagine that the guy looking after the place burnt it down or something on accident and rebuilt it before the family came back.
Man I wish they didn't cut the Grizzlies because I love the snow regions in this game
The snow part of the grizzlies was expanded, grizzlies east was cut down and moved south
The Blackwater Robbery was never, at any point, intended to be shown. The story relies on it NOT being shown, because otherwise the true nature of Dutch would be obvious to everyone. There's no way to recover the trust of players who actually see Dutch murder an innocent mother, which is exactly why we follow the footsteps of Arthur and only ever "hear" about it. Chapter 1, on the other hand, was going to be much longer originally, but it was always set in the Grizzlies. We know this for definitive fact because of interviews post-release.
To add, the Grizzlies actually weren't that much bigger. Most of what was there before still remains, for both West and East. What was actually lost to the map changes was Cumberland Forest, and the top side of Roanoke, which nearly all of both was cut. Which is honestly unfortunate, because keeping the Grizzlies East on the northern side of the map would've helped with the illusion of 5 States.
The Grizzlies were planned to be a much larger area with a habitable town, that's why Tempest Rim is inaccessible in the final game despite being on the map.
@@musicalhistory4392 Not really. Grizzlies West was significantly smaller while Grizzlies East seems to have only lost some of its edges, but for the most part most of it seems to exist still. Where are you getting the town info though?
No town was planned. It was Colters original location that was placed at Tempest Rim. Tempest Rim would be the tutorial/chapter 1 area, Adlers ranch was also moved around and actually still has old paths leading towards the Tempest Rim mountains. You can find pathways leading all around the Tempest mountains, probably leading to hunting areas with Charles, to the train, Adlers ranch etc etc. Before they were all moved to different locations. No the pathways lead nowhere. The whole Tempest mountain seems like it was moved to a different location. A lot of things seem to be moved around in the Grizlies to optimise the flow of chapter 1, it's why the Grizlies are so restricted. They butchered and moved around the locations so much that they had to restrict most of it in free roam. Lack of time as usual is the reason its left so baren and unused.@@musicalhistory4392
What interview??
Except yes it was as Roger Clark has stated that the whole thing was performance captured and recorded. It was apart of the cut prologue.
gotta respect this guy for probably making this account name when he was younger and then sticking to it as he got older
nah i made it when i was 15 about 2 years ago. id remove the 69 but it's "too iconic" to remove (not my words)
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-They were in fact several versions of Guarma in development. There were multiple map concepts found; ones ranging from a small island to the one we got which is around the size of 2 New Austins. And there was supposed to be a little island off the coast of Guarma too which explains the one you pointed to.
-There MIGHT have been a scrapped prologue originally, but I don't think it would've exceeded drafting stages. The 2016 leaked map even shows that Colter was always set as the intro area. And there hasn't been any strings or evidence in the files of a Blackwater opening. I think it's more likely that the Grizzlies chapter itself was longer. We know there was originally some more to it like Arthur's family, Isaac freezing to death and Eliza running away in grief.
-I won't say RDR2's New Austin being built off RDR1's is entirely false. Sure, it wasn't just lifted from the original and upscaled, but a lot of textures and an inaccessible interiors were reused from the first game according to dataminers. Probably because they added it in last minute, like you said. Same with Mexico.
Amazing video, man. I loved seeing your improve and refine the editing and information from the first part. And your commentary is very enjoyable imo.
textures were not reused at all, they were recreated however the areas are unfinished like the Armadillo bank interior and the lower half of Gaptooth Breach
@SomeClassyToast I did read a few times about there being resued assets in towns. But the source of information could've been wrong, and I don't recall exactly where, so I won't argue otherwise. I'll just take your word for it because you deem clearly knowledgeable about this arena. I've seen your posts about New Austin on the rdr subreddit.
@@themadtitan7603 my guy, you are literally everywhere, I didn’t know the mad titan cared for human inventions such as games
Bruh you appear in every rdr2 video that I watch 😭, you always have good takes on rdr2 btw
Jesus they were gonna freeze Arthur's son to death right at the start? Good god
At night, you can actually see Saint Denis from guarmas shore 😂
The fact that they basically modeled the entirety of Mexico from the first game raises a major question. Did Rockstar just rip the map from the first game, put it in the improved RAGE engine, and model the rest of the map on top of it? If not, why did they feel obligated to remake Mexico, with the soundtrack from rdr1, but not make it accessible? Makes me sad that they didn't do anything with Mexico, or New Austin in general. Would've been cool to see some shit going down in Mexico during Arthur's story.
They were going to add Mexico to the game but ran out of time at the end
@@anthony-4756 Let's be real, they shifted focus to GTA online and development of GTA VI. Unfortunately, RDR2 was a testing ground and a token of appeasement for fans awaiting a sequel to RDR. Arguably the best game of all time stifled by it's creators in chase of further economical success.
It's crazy that rockstar made guarma almost as big as the entire normal playable map only to give us just 1 tiny spot. Plus that other little island. You can tell they had bigger plans. The sad part is it sold well, they made tons of money and yet didn't go back to add dlc. These areas could've been fleshed out, add new side quests, anything but yet nothing
To this day I still think this game & story would have fared better if they hadn't had the Guarma chapter. Took so much time and resources from the main game, which resulted in really weird pacing/story decisions towards the end.
The Guarma chapter felt so out of place. Would've took away nothing if Guarma was removed from the game. It'd make more sense if the gang took a boat all the way to thieves landing and had a chapter in New Austin. But Rockstar just got too ambitious for their own good.
@@sm0k3y56I completely disagree, pulling away from the main game makes a sense of urgency to get back to the main story, putting all of the characters into a lot stress especially Dutch, making what happens in chapter 6 more believable
@@sm0k3y56you don’t know what you’re talking about no offense
@@sm0k3y56 You should have written for the game, that plot sounds 1000 times better and they can still keep John from ever exploring Mexico.
@@steveleopard6761 I disagree with you, this sense of "urgency" is because many players wanted nothing to do with the island. All I wanted to do was go back so I could enjoy free roam in a map I could invest time in. Guarma just seems like the absolute worst choice when a transition into New Austin, Tall Trees, Thieves Landing, etc would have made much more sense for the narrative. Bad from a gameplay sense, bad from a storytelling perspective. I cannot fathom being a Guarma apologist, especially when the content was neutered and the result was a lackluster on rails experience.
6:40 rdr2 needed to have more of that kind of actual subtle ambient like in rdr1, instead of the same 3-4 songs repeating
100% agreed.
Fr, one of the things it definitely lacked
bros boat turned into a plane
I was in Mexico RDR2 2 Days ago, And what was very cool, There were also Town sounds in the game, You could hear dogs and horse sounds when you´re in a town
How did your trip go?
Yup I notice, also, there is squares of different textures to the environment of Mexico. I think those squares are where the houses and buildings are supposed to be
It actually makes sense for Arthur to be locked out of New Austin as he says that the whole gang was pushed from the West, what supports this is Sheriff Sam Freeman has lines calling out Arthur when he sees him, clearly stating that the Van der Linde gang gained so much notoriety that all the western states got word of their escapades while they’re still relatively unknown in the east of the country.
Still, I think including New Austin and making it only accessible for John makes it a good end-game reward for longtime fans of the game to have a little throwback, and seeing all the towns being familiar but vastly different, with Armadillo being nearly dead and Tumbleweed being full of noise and bustle.
I’d love to see rdr3 about the gang beginnings set in New Austin and maybe another desert state.
Its my favourite game of all time but the amount of cut content really makes me sad. I hope we all get the chance of seeing the full potential of this game in the future, or at least someone who worked on it tell us why so much was removed
stupid kids ands their stupid hopes.
It was removed since rockstar and fans rushed production of rdr2 to get gta 6 released
To add they most likely couldn’t fit it in the game and with all of this content and quality wouldn’t work on the Xbox one and PS4 only way all of this could work would be on pc and new gen
@@bushandoj6487gta 6 isn’t even out yet and is nowhere near finished based on the leaks
@@Vaquero2o9 i never said gta 6 is released when i use the word “released” i was using it as that’s rockstars goal to get gta 6 released
An interesting thing in that avalanche is that there are bodies of dead horses.
My guess is that the opening mission was the gang being chased through the snow which served as the combat tutorial. The gang would be saved by a freak avalanche that wipes out the Pinkertons and they would then flee to Colter.
I just wanna mention this, but on the map you can find random out of place areas which have the text “Wanted Dead or Alive” labeled onto them; specifically under the “R” in Grizzlies East & on the East bank of the Lannahechee adjacent to Van Horn. If you compare the leaked maps from 2016-17 to the final in-game map, these spots where this text is shown roughly correspond to the old locations of Fort Wallace & Sisika, which is the reason why hovering over Ft. Wallace & Sisika themselves doesn’t show that text.
This next bit is just hearsay I’ve heard from a guy I watch, but apparently there’s a sign underneath the map from a pre-release (2016; maybe 17) of RDR2 that indicates where Ft. Wallace & other places were at some point
It’s actually really interesting how there are so many holdovers from the 2016-17 versions of RDR2
What grinds my gears is they add stuff like getting gator eggs that don’t even spawn but take the good stuff
if rdr2 was released 20 years ago there would be so many rumors and fake videos of arthur going to mexico
Criminally underrated comment.
I always assumed that arthur went to mexico some time while john was inprisoned or something maybe after guarma and than they would have had to have snuck past blackwater getting back to saint denis and thats why in the trailer they're with sadie adler in blackwater riding away .. but at the time they felt that the story would be all over the place and they batched it
@@Avonte76I don’t think this is the same scene that the OP is talking about but there is a scene with Arthur in Blackwater tackling someone on the docks in one of the trailers videos, maybe that is what they were referring to?
I occasionally go to Mexico both in Online and in the Singeplayer just to explore around the areas that Iv visited so many times in the first game. My favorite area to visit in the first game was Mexico. The ambient music was amazing and overall I just liked the terrain, the buildings, and how lawless it was. Going around it in RDR2 just makes me feel empty seeing locations I know the exact areas to where they use to be. Hearing the ambient music and sometimes ambient noises (Dogs barking, and People chatting) occasionally lowkey kinda brings a tear to my eye. I have a lot of Nostalgia for the first game as I played it a lot throughout 2010-2011. It’s a shame we probably won’t be seeing a remastered Mexico in the RDR2 engine in a veeery long time or not at all.
how do you get there in online? do you use mods?
@@Gaminxr Wagon glitch. Haven’t done it in awhile though might be patched.
You should look out for the Mexico mod on PC, it's pretty much completely returning RDR1's Mexico; still in early access but super impressive where it's at, and the closest thing you'll get to a remaster.
@@Trackman71rockstar haven’t updated the game in 4 years
New Austin is not stuck in 1899, It's Stuck in a bit of a mix, Cholera is for 1907 New Austin as 1899 was Scarlet fever, Sheriff freeman and the armadillo crier have unused 1907 versions of their outfits and theres a cut armadillo station clerk with both 1899 and 1907 outfits, Arthur could go to NA however the gang would not follow, arthur could go just as a free roam area
I agree. Stuck in between is more accurate imo. Because there's clearly 1907 elements like aged up store owners and the cholera in Armadillo instead of the Scarlet Fever, like you said, which is mentioned as the plague at the time in the main story newspapers.
in RDR2 Javier seemed completely certain that he could NEVER return to Mexico.
yet in RDR1 you would think he spent his whole entire life there.
I feel like a mission in New Austin with a couple run ins with the Del Lobos and Javier would've really helped establish that part of the future.
Damn shame we didn’t get any Guarma content in Online. Would’ve been great if they added an option to sail to the island in free roam or at the very least have some missions take place there
0:15 I just realized this music is from PvZ 2. Love that franchise
RUclips brought me back to you almost 1 year later
As much as I love this video, it just reminds me how badly Rockstar failed by releasing RDR2 in the state it was in. There's so much obviously unfinished content. That's what happens when you have studio executives breathing down your neck, though.
An alternate prologue could have been the gang making its way through the west before the ferry job in blackwater up to the point it happened. From what I understood from arthurs journals is that he was off with hosea on a property scam when dutch, micah and some other were doing the ferry heist. So it would still leave what happened a mystery but we could have gotten some free roam in new austin and mexico as arthur before they had to flee.
I love to see you back at it 🤙🏼
It actuallyakes zero sense for john to be in new austin (as it's his first time there in rdr1) but makes sense for arthur. Picture arthur on one of his "adventures" as ms grimshaw calls it, he goes to new austin by himself by sneaking through yhe great plains (as bringing the whole gang would be yoo obvious) and faffs around in new austin himself. In the epilogue john can in theory go there but its not cannon at all
This means many of the side missions (like the dinosaur bones one) are not canon
this video is depressing. the point of it not the actual video. the video is excellent
i heard the mexico soundtrack while fishing in the san luis river and it made me so happy
I feel so sad they cut so much from México, but that makes the moment when you cross the border in Rdr1 so much special
loved both of ur dives into the cut content. would love to see u do more of this kind of content but for other games ur live commentary is hilarious!
7:14 i was actually exploring the next to san luis river in gaptooth ridge and it started playing the same rdr1 mexico background ost. It hit me with so much nostalgia, Idk what i did to start playing it. I think it was when i started looking towards mexico and using binoculars to see it better, i'm on ps4 btw.
I think it makes sense, that New Austin and Mexico were added late, and not meant to be in the game originally. Based on the original map leak but also story-wise since they never visit these places in the story and it would kinda break with the first game. I don't think they would add this because of players' outcry. Makes more sense to me to add this due to Red Dead Online and let players revisit their favorite places. This would be why it is stuck in time since online takes place in 1898 (?). Then they just decided to let players visit there in the epilogue as well since they already had the content. They probably wanted to let us do more but due to time, we got this empty version, which just added more questions. This would explain why there is audio for Arthur since they wanted this area to be available but locked it off due to the place being stuck in time and there was no point in making 2 versions of the place since no story takes place there. New Austin overall gives off this unfinished vibe and I kinda wish they would just have not bothered.
I wonder if Mexico ever was meant to be explored or if the idea was to have the Mexican army stop you, kind of like in other rockstar titles where they block you off with police if you try and access certain areas too early. On the other hand, if I'm not misremembering there were fast travel references to cities in Mexico so perhaps this went through multiple iterations. Maybe the last idea was to just have it blocked off by the Mexican army but not even that did they have time for. Having a Mexico DLC for online maybe? But then they removed most of the references to Mexico which could mean that they killed off these plans. So many questions. Would love it if a dev just gave it to us so we could stop wondering.
I don't know. Just ramblings. I think they should have spent more time in these areas or just cut them out. Mexico for online would have been cool. Overall, the whole New Austin area makes me depressed and it feels disrespectful to the first title.
New Austin shouldn't have been in the game.
it only serves as nostalgia for the players that have played the first game but it also makes no sense whatsoever because John mentions he has never been to New Austin before to Bonnie.
anyways.
what would have been more logical to do is to have an actual living town in Ambarino, in the snow.
and I already have a plan. maybe Colter in the epilogue should have been repopulated with NPCs and basically have a saloon, gunsmith, general store, etc.
once you reach the epilogue and finish the story with John, the game feels so damn empty of life and nothing interesting to do. especially in New Austin and Ambarino.
even the Indian Wapiti Reservation is gone. Ambarino is basically empty. only wildlife.
so yeah. Ambarino should have been much better developed with at least a living town.
and don't have New Austin in the game. it was completely unnecessary and probably only in the game because Rockstar wanted to use it for RDR Online but also decided to include it in the singleplayer mode.
@@LevisH21free roaming is not canon
PERFECT starting music.
Mad funny just watched Exploring Unused Areas in Red Dead Redemption 2 and u just so happend to upload
Arthur was supposed to go to new Austin to show how the west was tamed. Hear me out, call me crazy, but think about it, the game starts saying how the west was mostly tamed. In magicians for sport, in high honor, Arthur says that the west ain't how he remembers, so, maybe, it makes sense to show us how everything was changing or has changed
Hit us with the PvZ Wild West theme. Very nice
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Great video and commentary, I wish you would make more about RDR2 but thanks for this one
they spend to much time getting the horse poop and horse testicles right
This is awesome!! ❤❤❤ enjoyed your first video 😊❤
Be cool if rockstar would restore a lot of the beta content as story dlc… then again given the rdr remaster just being a resell, I doubt it would ever happen.
Too bad Rockstar won't do story DLCs anymore 😩
It’s quite easy to get to guarma from new austin, going through Mexico without mods. I would just look it up if I were you, but it’s a lot easier and faster than the Lemoyne method.
I just cross the top of the waterfall and make John pass out near a specific ledge
@@vincentoconnor5640 yeah, that’s what I do, then you just gotta jump up on a certain ledge and walk for like 5 mins until you get to guarma
@@Ausvwidabix2blorange Yeah. I've also crossed by doing the bridge glitch but that's so imprecise it's not even worth it.
@@vincentoconnor5640 it’s a lot easier than the glitch he was doing in the vid though
Underrated chanel good editing
Facts ❤❤
The pvz2 wild West soundtrack is amazing
The fact that this game that turns out was pretty rushed is still the single most impressive game there is to date just says something about Rockstar's quality. I hope GTA VI delivers, because they probably rushed RDR2 to get most of its devs back to work on GTA
RDR2 is not a rushed game. It only appears rushed because this is literally out of bounds. The amount of things you can experience from finding a wholly mammoth skeleton to a Vampire feasting in Saint Denis is crazy.
Some things aren't made, such as Mexico. But that's because they put the gamers first. If it put in Mexico, the game would have came out in 2020.
Rockstar's ambitious Projects...
Guarma?
Look at the size!!!!
What were they thinking!??
They could've focused on the main map more than Guarma and scrapped guarma, or saved it for like GTA6 or something...
Imagine how big the main map could've been...
Northern native lands and southern mexico lands, we could've had all that had they not spent time doing the guarma stuff.
Which they then abandoned and only use for one short chapter...
I say it was a terrible use of developer time and effort.
But devs probably learned a lot and are now making GTA6 which is all tropical.
Can't wait.
Same with the Grizzlies West redesign and northern Roanoke Ridge.
They shouldn't have added new austin since it was empty. They did cut places from west elizabeth though like manzanita post train station you can see it on 1.00 map, And i wish they did focus on John Marston's epilogue look and story. They should've gone with 2016 map with new hanover having yellow grass since it is actually more accurate since it takes place in wyoming
I wish rockstar had the time to add all these cut features into the game, would’ve made it so much better
It’s creepy even in Mexico it has the soundtrack…..
They need to make a rdr2 director's cut for new gen consoles.
plants vs zombies 2 wild west music?
oh yeah this gonna be fire
i wish the beta content someone made it into the final game
Yall ever get scared of one cougar/panther but you can still take on a pack of wolves or a grizzly. They freak me out
It would've been cool if R* made the RDR1 port an expansion to RDR2 instead where similarly to the Epilogue there's a time skip between the end of Epilogue 2 and when RDR1 starts and you continue on and play RDR1's story
Would've given R* a chance to fully finish New Austin and Mexico
Actually they could add a prologue chapter as DLC and have you play as John and interact with Arthur since John was there during it
Peak commentary
The Plants vs Zombies 2 music was so random
Damn this is really good
Yeah I never knew more cut stuff. Love this video!! ❤❤
at 3:40, after the cut, You can see the "go to location" icon typa cloud on the mini map flash. This further proves that Guarma was meant to be muuch bigger, such a shame.
put the video in 0.25x speed and pause and unpause quickly and you'll see it
holy shit i didnt even notice that. good eye
@@BonnieFan69 haha thanks love your videos
The chest model is straight from rdr1
Rockstar did try with new austin a lot in rdr online tho. A lot of things happen in New Austin or you can do in online
I hope you make another version i found your videos so damn fun for some reason it gives weird feeling of ambiguity
Hey dude keep up the great work love the red dead videos
You need more subscribers, you’re great.
you deserver waaaaaaaaaaaaaaY more views
13:38 i noticed that the circle was gone like rockstar 🤣
6:32 i i be vibing
Just got pvz2 flashbacks
When your showing off the grizzlies.. what theme was that?
the intro to the segment is the stranger mission passed theme from rdr1, and the music during it is from enter, pursued by a memory when you're being chased by the wolves.
I don't mind that Arthur isn't able to go to New Austin, narratively there really isn't a reason to despite much of the gang's desire to flee west. I feel like that want is sort of a commentary in and of itself, how outlaws were able to better thrive westward whilst Dutch keeps everyone landlocked in the wrong areas.
The problem here is where cynicism drips through. New Austin in RDR2 is left relatively unfinished in spite of some available side-content for John, sure, but its real purpose? To be repurposed and milked for content in Red Dead Online, which also takes place in 1899. There's many more nods to the future of RDR1 nestled there than even in the story. Which makes Rockstar essentially abandoning it all the more ironic.
RDO takes place in 1895
No
The issue though with this is NA is still stuck in it's bugged halfway state with 1899 stuff and 1907 stuff meshed together; NA is just clearly unfinished.
subbed just from the fact that ma man said to not sub if you expect the channel to only post rdr2 vids.
I can't believe they abandoned RDR2 because they couldn't manage to sell enough Shark Cards, I mean, gold bars or whatever RDO had. They have all of New Austin and Mexico, hell even Guarma, to play with as DLC and RDO missions. Add an official Undead mode too, that footage you had looked pretty fun. They could totally revive RDO by doing that. Single player DLC's aren't dead either.
No.
Why is Guarma loaded onto the same 'map' as the rest of the game? You only ever access it via a cutscene which could have disguised loading of a new map, so there must be some technical reason why they load Guarma at the same time, any ideas what that would be?
they did the same thing with north yankton in gta v. i wont pretend to know anything about development with the rage engine but honestly they probably just figure its easier than creating and loading an entire new map. also if red dead 2's starting load times are anything to go by, id imagine it would take a lot longer to load between guarma and the main map if they had done them seperate
It's worth mentioning that in Red Dead Redemption 1 John also mentions he's never been so far out west as New Austin, which is more proof that it was originally not intended to be in the game.
i was originally gonna use that as a point, but i couldnt find when he actually says it. if i remember he said it to bonnie during one of the early missions but im not completely sure
yay
Maybe Mexico was added for the upcoming remake?
aged not well
@@maikoIu168😭
What mod is in the background when you were talking about new austin
its part of rampage trainer in the minigames section, undead nightmare 2
@@BonnieFan69 ok nice 😎
LENNNYYYYY!!!
I had the Mexico theme play while I was in New Austin a little after the legendary catfish mission. Was it a glitch?
it can also play when you ride along the bank of the san luis river im pretty sure, probably an overlapping of the zones or whatever
how did people get access to the PS4 versions game files
datamining
They just should’ve dumped the honor system and make the game good
What´s the name of the horse you´re using in Mexico? I´ve never seen it before
I’m pretty sure that’s an uncommon variant of the Kentucky Saddler
@@Gage_The_Comrade_or_Something It’s the thoroughbred
@@JreaqNo that’s clearly a Buttermilk Buckskin Kentucky Saddler, I’ve seen hundreds of thoroughbreds & none of them have had a coat remotely similar
@@Gage_The_Comrade_or_Something I forgot to correct myself. Since BonnieFan himself said that it was a Saddler in another comment reply
Nice Arthur outfit for the Mexico part, whats the green shirt?
its apart of whyems dlc
Idea during rdr2 4 More chapters added + chapter 4 and 5 Lengthened Gaurma has more things
The New Chapter 1: Mexico Is playable from Javier's Perspective while he is escaping (So they can use the mexico part) like gta 5 then you meet Dutch he helps you Then you play as somebody like Dutch or Hosea for a bit then chapter two starts: Dutch In the blackwater massacre and the events them moving into the grizzlies then chapter 3 Replaces chapter 1 you now play as Arthur and its pretty similar just chapter 4 Is longer and chapter 5 + More gaurma things
That's a horrible idea and would screw with pacing so badly. Playing as so many characters. Also the game NOT showing Blackwater Massacre is IMPORTANT to the story and theme. Just like NOT showing John getting his scar. You meet the gang after the tipping point. You meet John after the tipping point.
yay more
That also doesn't make sense to add lines of code to something players will never see or do.
"I just rode into mexico in the game and the theme played"
"Uhh what tf?"
These areas should be devoid of any development to make the actual play areas the player will be using, run smoother.
But I'm sure that has to be an Easter Egg for those who manage it, something simple to add by a dev on their spare time
And in Red Dead Online they barely did anything with New Austin either. As someone who played RDR1 i love going to New Austin, but there's not much to do in Online either.
5:17 Fucking hell is this
2024 games have their entire map as big as this while Rockstar's there sitting, yeah let's just get this shit out the storyline, nothing big at all
If rockstar wanted to do a RDR2 remake, I'd be all for it. They could change up so of the story beats, add cut content even make the story change a bit.
If I had a nickel for every time Rockstar made you go to a shitty tropical island off the coast of the main map I’d have 2 nickels. Which isn’t a lot but seems lazy it happened twice.
Ok
no wonder the game takes so much storage 😂😂😂
Honestly, I wish NA and Mexico were completely cut from RDR2; they don't belong in the game as explorable territories and feel unfinished due to R* being unable to finish the provinces in time. It would've been honestly better off (or if R* gave the game more development time and didn't reveal it so early, then maybe we could've had a complete NA and Mexico)
If they would focus less on Gta online and more on Rdr2 this game would be the biggest masterpiece for the next 10 years
thanks for the mid man
what horse was used while in mexico? looks cool
the buttermilk buckskin kentucky saddler
@@BonnieFan69 thanks i appreciate it
No matter your race, religion, gender, or political beliefs, I think everyone can agree that RDR1 ambience is leagues above RDR2 ambience.
damn really???
I never played rdr1
I will die on this hill as well. The ambient soundtracks were waaaay better then RDR2. It really gave the vibe of the dying wild west. Going to different parts of the map actually felt really different. I know they tried this in RDR2 but it was way more impactful in RDR1.
Your animosity about New Austin is weird. While it is underutilized, the game is already stuffed to the brim with content and is actually a bit too long as it is imo. The epilogue is really pushing it. I was overjoyed when I discovered the Red Dead 1 map was in the game and I think it serves as just icing on the overall experience. The true tragedy of the unused content is Guarma, not New Austin.
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