Billy the Kid? Or just a SHAMEFUL IMPOSTER from Hico, Texas. (Part 5 of Trip).
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
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Brushy Bill Roberts attracted attention in the late 1940s and the 1950s by claiming to be Western outlaw Billy the Kid (who actually died in 1881). Roberts' claim was rejected by the governor of New Mexico, and subsequently his story has been repetitively debunked.
Despite the growing evidence that this man was a faker, the Hico, Texas Chamber of Commerce has capitalized on his claim by opening the "Billy the Kid Museum" in the historic Western section of their town.
Sadly, there will always be people that will try to rewrite history.
Anything for money.
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The only way to know if it was Billy is by DNA, and I don't think that will happen. Thank you Ron
My husband’s grandfather briefly rode trail drive with Billy the Kid.. when he was just a young teenager..he asked to ride with them through Indian territory for safety.. he rode with them for about a week before he left them and rode on.. a few days later Pat Garrett came through asking about anyone coming through..it was about a month or so later they heard he’d been killed.. my husband found a record of this in the town he was born in .. as a kid he ( my husband)used to think his grandfather was making it up .. his grandfather was nearly 90 when he passed away in 1950.. he would have been 15-16 years old at the time..
Wow! Interesting.
Ok given the age of his grandfather and when he passed away in 1950's that would definitely put him around Billy the kid time period. Very interesting, sounds like a guy I would love to sit and listen to.
@@theclown2393 My husband’s grandfather told him that Billy kept to himself, didn’t mingle with the rest of them and rode back .. he just up and left when they got out of the area where they were apt to have Indian troubles.. this was Texas and I believe they were driving them to New Mexico.. I’m in my 80’s now and my husband has passed away.. I might be wrong on that part, but, the rest is documented..My husband was born in Memphis,Texas.. he was 11- 12 when his grandfather died.. His grandparents weren’t able to have children but, when a doorstep baby was made available, they adopted him.. that was my husband’s father..they were in in their late 40’s when they adopted him..
@@jerriewyatt905Wow!!!! Thanks for sharing your guys family history mam and you have my condolences of your husband's passing.
@@theclown2393 Thank you
I just came across your video on Eva Kor. I met her in Terre Haute a few years ago. She waited until every single person who wanted to talk with her got to do so. I got my picture taken with her. I had read book after book on the Holocaust in my teens, this was an honor for me to meet her. Eva was a great lady!
Woo, woo, woo, woo, woo! Do another one Ron, do another one!! Dang I love these adventures. No bullcrap, no lies, just pure, honest, intriguing stories. Thank you for this opportunity to hear the truth. Blessings from Michigan.
You guys all wrong! I’m Billy the Kid!🤣🤣🤣
ugg, i wasted my trip there then, I'll come to you next!
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History is slowly being desecrated ,schools no longer have History books, thankfully we have you and Michael to help preserve history!
So sad that people want to erase history too!
@@dianeb7420 it is very sad 😔
Yes even in my rural Texas, the children do not learn half the American or Texas history that we did.
@@MTknitter22 same here in rural Tennessee, very sad because history does repeat itself
Now that your leaving Chicago will you be doing only western cemeterys?? I wonder if their are alot of pictures on headstones?? I guess we'll find out. Lol
My great great grandfather was friends with Billy the kid. Thank you for sharing this story with us.
Oh that is interesting ! You might have heared lots of stories about all that happened that time . Were they friends before that all happened or was he member of the Regulators ?
Would have to be a great great great grandfather.
My grandfather was born before the Civil War, father was born in 1903 - both had children after age 40. So could indeed have been a great, great grandfather of this commenter.
Lol i say that yeah
Ron I always learn something from you great work man o man I could listen to you all day please stay safe your friend. Frank
Young Guns is one of my favorite westerns. That movie taught me most of what I know about Billy the Kid, even though I'm sure they took some liberties with it. Fantastic cast, too
The movies were very inaccurate. 1st movie had Charlie Bowdre killed at the siege of McSween House, he died at Stinking Springs. 2nd movie had Doc Scurlock killed at Stinking Springs, he lived to die in 1929.
If Young Guns and Young Guns 2 great movies, but it taught you stuff about Billy the Kid then Brushy is Billy the Kid.
I love Young guns movies too
Born and raised Texan here. I've never believed the Hico story as I'm sure most Texans don't either. Many years ago I visited a Billy the Kid Museum close to Ft. Sumner where they had some authentic funeral wagons and interesting stuff. The story I read then is what I truly believe and he is definitely buried at Ft. Sumner. Good story even though as a Texan it makes me mad too and never went to Hico for that reason. They do have a place there with good pie and chocolate. 😁
Oh, God, yes! I think it’s the Koffee Kup maybe? Anyway, amazing pies with clouds of meringue
I loved your take on this story about Billy the Kid. I still don't understand why a city or the cemetery put up a headstone for someone if they are not buried at that spot.
double lies
Fort Sumner?
History anyplace should not be removed or rewritten History is History we should respect it and learn. Stay safe out there Ron love the video
What is interesting is that Billy the Kid was forgotten for a long time until a book about him in the 1920s revived his story.
Yeah, that was the Walter Noble Burns book I outlined in this episode
The biggest advantage of the Burns book is that he actually did go interview some of the remaining people who knew the Kid and were resident in 1870’s+, including Paulita Maxwell, J. Silva, etc.
Ron doing what he does best. Graveside history lesson related in an interesting and thought-provoking manner. We love u here in 🇬🇧
Hico, TX even has a Billy The Kid Festival and museum. Everything's bigger in Texas. Including the tale tells and tourist traps.
Come to Claiborne Parish, Louisiana, the birthplace of Pat Garret. His parents, siblings and their descendants, including a great-nephew who perished in World War II, are buried there.
I purposely not not drive-through Hico, I’m not giving them any recognition. Losers.
@@FacesoftheForgotten You saying your a lefty, my oldest brother was a lefty but school teacher insisted he write with his right hand. WELL guess what my dad also taught him to use tools with his right hand because at the time men’s tools were geared for right hands. WELL My brother grew up being amadextras he could write right handed or left handed. He could hammer either hand. He just used the had that made the job well.
@@Cheetoluv I never said I was a lefty, lol. did u make that up? 👍
@@FacesoftheForgotten so sorry, I heard I’m a lefty. You were talking about the Billy the Kid. I was listening and also playing with my grandchild, so didn’t grasp the whole sentence. So sorry to upset you.
Well, in my W Texas, believe me, some of the “history” gets embellished about Charles Goodnight and other historic figures. Bragging does tend to sneak into the narratives.
You know I felt like I'm walking with you while listen to the story you telling, and it's somehow soothing ❤️
How I always feel watching and listening to Ron.. my favorite.
Getting things done to be free and watch my favorite show!
I love to follow the history of the real Billy the Kid aka William H. Bonney not Brushy William Roberts. Looking forward to see what you have in store for us on this historic figure 👍
w r on the same page then.
Looking forward to what you have in store
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You covered a great story! I always enjoyed reading about Billy the Kid. His story is like a well polished brass antique in a western territory antique shop. Thank you Ron for a delightful story.
This was a awesome story Ron. And thanks for telling this man's story...safe travels and be careful and stay safe!! 💕💕
Can't wait, love the old west
Thanks for setting people straight about Billy the Kid!
LOL, Pat Garret "straight"? Dont any of the official lies and missing documents bother you? I am still researching Brushy Bill's claims but I have seen enough lies from ''officials'' to make me NOT believe the record written by 'The House', ENEMIES of BTK and demostrable, pathological liars, word & oath-breakers.
Example: “He is, in all, quite a handsome looking fellow.” That was the opinion of a newspaperman fortunate enough to obtain an interview with the notorious outlaw Billy the Kid inside a Las Vegas, New Mexico Territory, jail cell in late December 1880. The Kid, as described by the curious reporter, was five feet eight or nine inches tall, slightly built, and looked like a schoolboy. Instead of whiskers, the 21-year-old outlaw still had “silky fuzz” on his upper lip. And his eyes were a clear blue “with a roguish snap about them.”
But Billy had a full beard six months later, when his skin was dyed brown?" Lol, add this to the litany of other 'official nonsense' and you have a situation where more research and(at this point) archeology is needed badly.
Good job My Friend! Your right, we deserve the truth of our history, not sensational BS. Full disclosure is what we deserve and what is owed to the individuals who lived that truth. Great video. Thank you for sharing!
To many imposters along the stories
Thank you Ron for the upload !! A classical one , never gets old
Billy the Kid !!! :)
There is a mud brick jail in San Elizario Tx where Billy The Kid was in. There is a historical marker explaining the story behind Billy The Kid pretty interesting.
Cool
How many people checked their earlobes? I did 🤣 and I have determined that Billy the kid & I have the same lobes, so he's probably my long lost uncle 😅 Geesh what some people will do for fame.
Great episode Ron!!! Many details I have never heard before!!!
Thanks for sharing your story with us 👍🏻
This will be a fascinating episode!! Can’t wait!!
I'd love you to show us that building that Billy the Kid was held upstairs in, that would be amazing. I love the cage around the Grave of Billy the kid and Charlie. Ron thank you, I have found this exceptionally interesting from start to finish, brilliant 👏
Good morning from Philippines
And now I have to watch Young Guns.
What a waisted space... I don't like lies so I can understand why you feel like that, if there is no concrete proof there is nothing. Getting famous on someone else's parade... Sad and sick. On the real Billy the kid, it's sad that he lost his mom so young and I thing that changed his world... Imagine if he didn't had to go out in the world so young. Life must have been so hard those days back in time.
Thank you Ron for setting it straight👏👏👏
I also hate it when people try to rewrite history to condone their political or whatever ideology. I am disgusted with what is going on in our country today with certain groups trying to rewrite American history from what really happened to what they WANT us to believe happened! Therefore, I’m curious as to what you think of what’s going on today. I’ve been to Fort Sumner, New Mexico…. Billy the kid was ambushed and murdered there, and is buried there.
My family has a long history between Hamilton and Hico. I asked my Aunt Lois about this story in the 80's and was sternly told that he was not Billy the Kid. Aunt Lois was born in 1913 and Uncle Charly in 1903. They owned the property in Hico on the hill across from the park down to the Bosque and over to hwy. 281. I believe Aunt Lois. P.S. I am a Leeth.
yep, and just look at his birthday. that alone solves it.
Texan here: all Texas has EVER done is try to rewrite history. Excellent episode! I’ve been drinking up these Texas vids. Thanks so much for what you do!
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As always a great story Ron
Very interesting history story, thanks Ron for sharing. Please stay safe out there
Thank's for sharing mate..
Sad that someone would steal anyones identity. To many people muddying history with false claims and false info. Hoorible things have occured in our past but tearing things down or rewriting it is not right. Thanks for trying to keep it real ,Ron. Keep Safe❤Keep Well ❤
I can't remember the name of the show, but it basically brought up all the points against this man being Billy The Kid that you pointed out & they also superimposed the photos of each man's face to prove they didn't match. If I remember the show I'll post it later or in another comment. Great job!
I already posted it in the description box when this aired
Fortunately, all links posted get automatically blocked by the bots, sorry
Sorry, I was dictating in the car, I had said unfortunately
actually nobody saw Billy's body. Pat Garrett wasn't even able to collect the reward because he didn't produce Billy's body.
You are absolutely right about the ear lobes. I was a forensic artist and there are certain features that never change, or you inheriate. Those 2 men don't even look remotely close. I never believed that story either. It's a disgrace for Texas to embrace it.
Thanks for weighing in. You were spot on
Have you been to Aurora Texas where the pilot of the UFO was buried in 1897?
Billy was born William Henry Roberts near Hico Texas. Brushy Bills name was William Henry Roberts and died in Hico Texas. Billy changed his last name to Bonney after his father (Henry Roberts) passed away. Bonney was his step mothers maiden name. William H Bonney is the name most people knew him by. Billy was an escape artist and I beleive Pat Garrett did not kill Billy. Brushy Bill knew too much to not be Billy. It is odd that there is a gap in the records of William Henry Roberts. Could it be because he changed his name to William H Bonney and then later changed back to William Roberts?
People never take the time to really investigate Brushy’s claim. When he lays it out there in the Alias Billy the Kid notes and book of Daniel Edwards it makes way more sense. Chano Silva, Jesus Silva’s grandson even says grandad said Billy went back to Indian territory to go after the men who killed his father. That was before the Lincoln county war and I believe right after he fled AZ because of the description of him being so young then by Silva.
I've heard of this Dude.🙄
I saw his real grave at fort Sumner in new Mexico museum that you have to go through to get into the walled cemetery, funny thing is a huge headstone (it has most of his gang buried there as well and has there names on the headstone) is now in a cage because it has been stolen several times and how anyone steals a one ton headstone is beyond me.
Where on earth would you hide something that huge!?
@@dianacurry6248 the first time it was found in someone's back yard on the east coast. The second time I believe it was somewhere in California
They need to do a DdNA if there is anyway possible.
Please don't blame all of Texas. Born and raised in Texas and have never heard this story. Safe travels.
You ought to do one about Herman Lehnman.He lived in Loyal Valley,Tx.He was kidnapped by native americans and spent much of his like with the Apaches and Commanches.He later did settle down in his home town.He used to give demenstrations of riding and other things.John Wesley Hardin and his family lived in RANCHO,Tx in Wilson County.Its a ghost town
His wife Jane Asher is buried Mound Creek Cemetery.Hardin went later to eithet DelRio or El Paso where he died.
Melvin Fowler from highland ill
Can't wait 💪
All set!
Hah.. that earlobes thing got me convinced. Earlobes don't just attach to the head when you age. Imposter.
Wat a awsome story about Billy the kid weather it be true or not it's still a awsome story
Proud Texan and agree with you completely it’s just another stolen history story.
This is one thing I like is the history of the old West. Ron, I liked your your fact checking between the real Billy the Kid and this imposter.
Thank you for telling this story and all the history that goes along with it. Have a nice week!!
Hello I’m watching and waiting
I would prefer to think that the real Billy the kid dealt with this matter himself. 🤣
I agree with you, History should never be re written , no matter how good or bad, its called history for a reason and if you taint it by rewritten theres nothing to really show generations after and they will have the wrong facts told.Enjoyed your video, thanks ron
When you go to New Mexico... be sure to go to Lincoln...
Then go see his 'real' grave! Lol.. I grew up with the Kid and all his stories...
My mother was an educator and loved NM history... she had some great stories.
Brushy Bill Roberts wasn't the only one who pretended to be The Kid. Very interesting! Great mysteries! Makes you wonder why they don't exhume the body and do some DNA studies... ???
I'm sorry... I live in Texas, but I grew up in Alamogordo New Mexico... and the NM spirit runs deep...
Mike In is at the top of my list when I go to New Mexico, probably next winter as I will be living in Arizona, and that part of New Mexico is not far from Arizona border
Sitting in my truck, I had said the Lincoln, not Mikin. Lol
@@FacesoftheForgotten good ol auto correct lol. Oddly I was born in Phoenix... so AZ is dear to me as well.
NM history is very interesting, with everything from cowboys and Indians... Spanish, Mexican... And especially up north with the native influences and the deep spiritual feeling of the land.
Think about your program often... Look up and listen to a song by Disturbed called 'Hold On To Memories'...
There is a line... 'the world's greatest tragedy... Souls who are not remembered, cannot survive'
Reminds me of you and what your passion here is...
Thanks for all you do Ron... Sincerely, and safe travels...
Not the real Mc Coy.
Just a few miles from my hometown of Stephenville Texas. You probably even saw the Stephenville mile marker as you came threw Hamilton and Hico. They have Billy The Kid parades in Hico. Safe travels Ron.
I'm looking forward to this!
Another great video Ron, thank you for these history stories, I enjoy them so much. It’s so sad when people use other people just to make themselves famous.
Thanks for the story friend. I. Believe you.
Oh , my favourite ! Of course an imposter ! Or maybe Billy the Kid from Tombstone Az ? 😄
Just look at the ears , completely different shape . Also the chin and nose . 😉😀
That was awesome, thankyou for highlighting the earlobe issue. Sorted,
Thank you Ron! Great story with facts! You must have kept your kids entertained with stories. So many people claiming to be others. I mean Butch and Sundance lived on. There was a guy pretending to be a cast member from The Little Rascals. Stymie, I think. There was a show where George "Spanky" MacFarlane confronted him, and listed all the facts of how he COULDN'T be Stymie. Anything for money and attention. Keep on going Ron. Be well and safe 🙏 as you bring us these great stories! 💕
Thank you for doing this story. Very much appreciated. I did see a tin type pic on a news channel that a man had that did not have any province, however the detached ear lobes and facial recognition over laid the 2 photos and the nose was perfect and mouth and distance and slant of eyes all matched. It was not this brushy bill character but it seemed to be an older 30 ish picture tin type of Billy. The way he wore his hat slanted was even there. If you have not seen or heard of that maybe you could look into this. WYFF News 4 showed this and facial recognition said it was the same person when compared with original Billy the Kid tin type picture
Ron. We don't all believe that story. It just seems to br that town actually. Just so you know.
Oh good that’s great to know. I figure there has to be some smart people there.👍👍👍
Everybody’s grandpa knew Billy the kid .???
Billy the Kid was drawn into a life of crime by the events in his young, short life. Apparently, he had quite a personality as he was reportedly well liked by many, yet he gunned down at least three law enforcement personnel in his day. Regardless of some of the far-flung anecdotes, reasonable thinking historians are certain that he was shot dead by Pat Garrett in 1881. Billy the Kid was made famous by many novels and later movies over the years. I think that the fact that so many people believe that Billy the Kid laid low for nearly 70 years then suddenly emerged in Hico Texas looking more to be 70 than 90, stopping people on the street to tell them that he was Billy the Kid actually dishonors the memory of Billy the Kid. These same people that claim that Pat Garrett helped Billy the Kid to escape because he never got a photo made of Billy the Kid's body in 1881 claim that Brushy Bill Roberts' body had all of the scars that Billy the Kid supposedly had but there was no photo taken of them in 1950, even though cameras were much readily available by then. I wish that in 1948 a U.S. Marshal would have approached Brushy Bill when he was doddering around Hico claiming to be Billy the Kid and said: "Okay Bonney, you are under arrest, and I am taking you back to Lincoln County for execution of the Death Sentence for Murdering Sheriff Brady." and see if Brushy Bill would have changed his tune.
I saw a death certificate on this guy. His wife said he was born in a different town than Billy. Age didn't line up. To me it's a Texas tall tale I hate to say . I am embarasses cause I am a 4th generation Texan
Thankfully you told us that you were infuriated because it was hard to tell...😂 Honestly this is why I LOVE this youtube channel. You're a passionate person and are not afraid to say it like it is. Thank-you again for a piece of history debunked. (BTW - Anastasia - that's a really interesting story.) 🙂
im just simply mesmerized by your videos at first,but now i found myself following,and addicted watching your videos 😅.keep it up,have a good health and take care always! ☺️lots of love from philipines! ❤️❤️❤️
100 percent agree. I have been to that gravesite as well as the New Mexico grave. Brushy Bill was not Billy the Kid in my humble opinion. I did a video on my channel about Brushy's account of his whole life. If true , he was the Forrest Gump of the old west. As always , great video
He was just a wannabe, looking for fame for himself, a sad impostor nothing more.
Hi from Dona Ana County NM, just east of Lincoln County. Pat Garrett is buried here in Las Cruces' Masonic Cemetary. Lots of Western history here.
Good story Ron, you always do the research and get the facts, “just the facts, mam”
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I wonder sometimes if people that tell a lie long enough get to believing their own lies, but I still don't know whether Brushy Bill was telling the truth or not.
just look at his birthday. he was way too young, a generation off practically. start there.
@@FacesoftheForgotten Brushy Bill Roberts claimed he was born December 31, 1859, while the official date of Billy the Kid's birthday was Nov. 23, 1859. Not too far apart, but then has the official date really been proven to be his birthday? I don't know.
HI, MY COUSIN WAS NAMED BRUSHY BILL BRAZELTON. HE WAS A TRUE OUTLAW. IF I REMEMBER MY COUSIN WAS A ROBBER AND WAS EXECUTED FOR HIS CRIMES. THIS PERSON FROM YOUR VIDEO LIED MORE THAN ONCE. ALL CAPS ARE EASIER TO READ AND SHOUILD NOT BE CONSIDERED YELLING. HAVE A BLESSED DAY.
Good evening everyone
thanks so much for sharing. love what you do
I'm sure you are correct!
HEY RON, HICO TEXAS ALSO SELLS "🎶ROSE-COLORED GLASSES!🎶" 😎😎😎🤣🤣🤣
They say they have proof that the kid was born in 1861 and that they have a evidence that he was in old mexico after he was supposed to be killed for he was there that night but his friend billy was there with the kid and he is the one who got killed and the kid got shot in the shoulder and in my opinion billy the kid lived and got away and used some one else name what if brushy bill got killed some were and he used his name for i heard that they examination of brushy body he had all the scars that was said billy the kid was to have been shot just saying
His chin is also way too short.
I love watching your stories on Real people... in the past.
All you have to do is a bit of research into the whole story and it becomes clear. Garrett lied, Billie survived.
You are right. Billy is living with Elvis, they’ve got a hacienda together in Honduras.
Someone should do a DNA test an that would prove one an for all if he's Billy the Kid or not
Yeah, there’s no way in heck that that’s Billy the kid, he’s doesn’t even resemble the real one
I love the Outlaw movie! Nice shot of the tanker truck as well!
I'm a recent subscriber. Great video. I was almost convinced Brushy Bill was Billy the Kid. Now I'm 90 percent convinced otherwise. I say 90 percent because the only way to definitively put it to bed is through dna.
Thank you!!!
Anyone else have to urge to watch Young Guns now !??
* the urge
Yes, ears are a good way to compare photos.
The ears say it all on everyone's identity.
I saw that monument recently on another channel but they didn’t tell the story. Just a short of the monument. Thank you for actually telling the story
Yes, normally I don’t do episodes that are worn out and done by other channels. But when I see that it’s been covered in a incomplete way - that’s why I wanted to do this one pretty bad. Set the record straight which no one else is really done on the cemetery front
@@FacesoftheForgotten love that you do that. It seems pointless to show it and not tell the story. I understand if it’s unknown but that channel could have acknowledged that. Thank you Ron for being awesome
I don't wonder. I know this guy, Oliver Roberts, was NOT Billy the Kid. Just a delusional "wannabee". I agree with you 100%. It infuriates me to have them, the town, play it up like he was legitimate.