It was quite obvious to anybody with a brain stem that Sturgeon was deliberately putting a tartan spin on every decision that was agreed across all nations of the UK. She was trying to get her neb in before everybody else to make it look like it was her decision. Which is why they kept her out of certain meetings. Then she started counteracting those decisions made in England by insisting that we do things for longer. If she could have gotten away with it, she would've had us in lockdown for weeks and months after everybody else. It was about power and control. It was about 'standing up' to Westminster in her eyes and showing that she could do it better. She had a presidential approach in every respect and in some cases a dictatorial approach, evidenced by her attempt to defend the idiot who went on her Holly bobs whilst also enacting travel restrictions on everybody else. Sturgeon and her legacy is utterly poisonous.
Craven is a very telling surname for Shona who’s such an obsequious fangirl of Nicola Sturgeon that she even speaks like her right down to her inflection, diction and ‘suppressed’ chuckle when defending the indefensible. She writes for a comic, not a newspaper. I was a paid up SNP member and supporter of Sturgeon going into Covid. It became apparent to me very quickly that what Fraser Nelson points out was absolutely going on. Once that outrage became apparent to me all the other flaws became clear too and I left the party shortly thereafter. I’m disgusted and angry at the SNP but far more angry at myself for allowing myself to be taken in by them.
Why is there someone from Tartan Pravda getting airtime? Devolution has been shown recently to have been a complete disaster, time for a referendum on the future of Holyrood
Devolution has been a colossal mistake for Scotland. We have created a platform for mediocre politicians who have micro managed us all in order to justify their existence. The SNP years have proven that they don't even want Devolution to work. Endless grievance and navel gazing with a spineless, compliant media who have been cheerleaders for the SNP. Scotland is in a terrible state at the moment. We get the politicians we deserve, I suppose. The joke's on us.
It is funny how people blame devolution when they don't like what the Scottish does, but they don't blame the union when the Westminster government in an unmitigated disaster.
Sadly, many of my fellow Scots think that the larger the State machine, the "better" things will be - it allows many to abdicate any sort of personal responsibility for the lives they lead. The fact is, the Scottish "Parliament" is a third rate talking shop full of third rate nobodies, and is an extra level of government we simply do not need. I would vote for the political organisation who said they would abolish the whole aberration if elected.
Ask a unionist a question and get a pro union answer. Back to the EU for Scotland, at least we will have a seat and a say in a union that isn’t out to destroy our culture, language and turn us into dependents.
If Shona is typical of Scots, then let them be. They are getting what they deserve. I would advocate for the UK to pull funding and let them go their own way.
I don't get why nobody ever frames it in this way. Scotland is already in charge of everything except pensions and defence and does so with a greater per capita spending budget than England. Thus, anything except those two things is fully on them unless I'm missing something (and it's a good yardstick of whether things would change if they became independent)?
The comments by the young lady from the National are frankly ludicrous. The SNP is a deeply cynical party and has been very good at presenting an image of 'caring competence' while sowing animosity within the UK; when the Inquiry was coming to town they-and especially Sturgeon- clearly realised that deleting Watsapps (or them 'not being retained on my device', in Sturgeon-speak)-particularly in the face of her assurance of 'transparency'- would cause major and justifiable outrage. They have clearly done a balancing act and decided that that outrage was as nothing compared to what would have flowed from their disclosure- potentially misfeasance and other criminal offences, or civil liability on a massive scale ? I hope that one day we find out- but we will not find out through the National
Morals , truth and integrity are in short supply in Holyrood. Seats taken by The Scottish Family Party would definitely add these attributes into the debate.
Shona: deletions were “unfortunate” ….our defensiveness was “we weren’t as bad as them”. Phew…Nicola is better at PR than Boris! But her “Disingenuousness” in relation to the “independence campaign” during the pandemic = one of Nicola’s best ever whoppers. She went straight from a cabinet, discussing Covid/independence, to a press conference. When questioned, she flatly and angrily denied it saying: “we are not dealing with politics at the moment… We are dealing with a virus… Frankly, anyone who is trotting out political or constitutional arguments is in the wrong place completely…”
In New Zealand, Ardern had skillfully palled up to particular journalists. The reason was two fold, she could control the narrative by allowing those said journalists privileged access and asking questions that she knew would not be threatening. Thus giving her favorable articles. Secondly, those with the privileges would then be in secure, powerful positions within the media outlets, influencing the employment procedures. This allows a culture that leans towards her thinking for future generations within the high media echelons. Whether she has learned this from the SNP or vice-versa is desputed. One thing is for sure, NZ is weening itself off this cabal, and I sure hope Scotland will do the same.
The dysfunction is pursuing a case which clearly has nothing in it . Money donated for an independence campaign was spent running a campaign for an independence party .
If the Scots do not like devolution they could easily vote for parties that will scrap it. But they dont. There is a very interesting debate taking place here. Fraser Nelson looks at Scotland and judges devolution to be a failure. However his perception is viewed through a Tory lens. The point is that devolution is democratic and where governments make mistakes the people can vote for the other lot. However in Scotland the other lot to the SNP appears to be the Labour party. The failure here is the Tory party, not devolution.
I was born in the 60s and educated in Scotland from state primary and secondary through to my masters degree. The quality of teaching and testing I had wont ever come back. Scotland used to provide excellent state education which deteriorated under the snp. The snp have put everything into independence at a cost to all that was great about Scotland.
I see my earlier comment which was not offensive in any way has been deleted, thank you so much RUclips for making sure we are controlled by you. Disgraceful.
Tony Blair thought that devolution would mean Scotland would always be controlled by Labour, but it's an example of political expedience gone disastrously wrong. The SNP has been a disaster and that may be because they don't want Scotland to be successful unless it is independent, or it might just be because the SNP politicians are monumentally incompetent.
Devolution has been a disaster...look to Wales ...where this part of the country is declining more with every passing day ....we need a,referendum to put an end to this disastrous decision from the despot Blair's dynasty ....
Can someone tell Fraser that "don't you think xyz" just hands the narrative to the opponent and allows them to frame their own question ? this was not a discussion - it was one person trying to create an interesting and dialogue and the other one simply holding the party line. in that sense because Fraser was not able to push his game upwards, the dialogue became predictable and boring.
Never mind Westminster this is Scotland who had the best education ever the Envy of the world but under the SNP they have completely destroyed this as well as the rest of the country the SNP are the worst thing to ever happen to Scotland they need to go the sooner the better
Is Shona playing devil's advocate, or is she a Nicoliar's supporter? The SNP's defence is either blame Westminster, or say how they are doing it better than Westminster.
A question for Fraser, fellow Spectators and Scots.... Would you (A) prefer an Independent nation (like most others) than has given Scots the best standard of living by every comparison you wish to make with rUK ....OR ... (B) A Labour Government at Westminster that crashed the economy in 2008, took this country into an illegal war that killed millions, took Scotland out of the EU against our will, prefers giving bankers uncapped bonuses and caps child support, sold off large tranche of our Gold reserves for a pittance ...or ...(C) the most incompetent and corrupt Tory government in London that again has crashed the economy, given us 16 years of austerity that has trebled the rates of homelessness, child poverty and national debt, soaring mortgage rates and a cost of living crisis that is forcing countless nos into destitution and debt ??? Just select your choice and vote at the next General election.
We should tell all nations in the United Kingdom. Ever closer union. You are either in or out, once and for all. Have a referendum. Parliament is Westminster. No national assemblies. No separate laws. No printing your own money. Northern Ireland. Either you are in or out. If you are in. A proper boarder with Ireland. Do away with that nonsense about treating Irish Citizens as though they are not foreigners when they are. Ireland gave us a very hard time at Brexit and Irish Comedian Aisling Bea, all but spat on our Flag of Union in a recent QI. She should be deported.
She’s a comedian, and let’s face it, the whole world is having a right chuckle at the UK at the moment. There’ll be no boarder on Ireland and good luck trying to build one. I’m surprised you didn’t propose deporting the Irish to Rwanda! Sounds like you’re grasping at straws inside a delusional mind 😂
So you want to Force assimilation on to the another nations?, are you kidding thats just mess up you want destroy our cultures bc you dont like what our goverment doing, it scares me that people like you have the right to vote
The thing that fascinates me was when Hamza asked someone if he would be able to speak to a small group without wearing a mask.Answer: Hold a drink in your hand . So much for Partigate and the Keir incident.
I find this confusing? Shone Craven is labeled as a journalist but she acts like the PR officer for the SNP.???
She writes for a snp propaganda comic
Comical Shona there defending the indefensible by ignoring the reality. Solid Sturgescu strategy, the lass will go far in SNP lala land.
Just what I was thinking, I thought this was going to be a serious discussion, then they bring the very unbiased "National" journalist on!
We are being short changed
It was quite obvious to anybody with a brain stem that Sturgeon was deliberately putting a tartan spin on every decision that was agreed across all nations of the UK. She was trying to get her neb in before everybody else to make it look like it was her decision. Which is why they kept her out of certain meetings. Then she started counteracting those decisions made in England by insisting that we do things for longer. If she could have gotten away with it, she would've had us in lockdown for weeks and months after everybody else. It was about power and control. It was about 'standing up' to Westminster in her eyes and showing that she could do it better. She had a presidential approach in every respect and in some cases a dictatorial approach, evidenced by her attempt to defend the idiot who went on her Holly bobs whilst also enacting travel restrictions on everybody else. Sturgeon and her legacy is utterly poisonous.
Craven is a very telling surname for Shona who’s such an obsequious fangirl of Nicola Sturgeon that she even speaks like her right down to her inflection, diction and ‘suppressed’ chuckle when defending the indefensible. She writes for a comic, not a newspaper. I was a paid up SNP member and supporter of Sturgeon going into Covid. It became apparent to me very quickly that what Fraser Nelson points out was absolutely going on. Once that outrage became apparent to me all the other flaws became clear too and I left the party shortly thereafter. I’m disgusted and angry at the SNP but far more angry at myself for allowing myself to be taken in by them.
Clown would be a more apt surname
Why is there someone from Tartan Pravda getting airtime? Devolution has been shown recently to have been a complete disaster, time for a referendum on the future of Holyrood
Devolution has been a colossal mistake for Scotland. We have created a platform for mediocre politicians who have micro managed us all in order to justify their existence. The SNP years have proven that they don't even want Devolution to work. Endless grievance and navel gazing with a spineless, compliant media who have been cheerleaders for the SNP. Scotland is in a terrible state at the moment. We get the politicians we deserve, I suppose. The joke's on us.
Well stated.
Britain has collapsed over the last 78 post war years. Quite beyond recovery..
It is funny how people blame devolution when they don't like what the Scottish does, but they don't blame the union when the Westminster government in an unmitigated disaster.
Sadly, many of my fellow Scots think that the larger the State machine, the "better" things will be - it allows many to abdicate any sort of personal responsibility for the lives they lead. The fact is, the Scottish "Parliament" is a third rate talking shop full of third rate nobodies, and is an extra level of government we simply do not need. I would vote for the political organisation who said they would abolish the whole aberration if elected.
Have you seen the standard of debate in Westminster ,the genocide supporting zombie parliament .
Holyrood under SNP has just been an extra expense... likely to everyone within the UK.
Shambles of a party.
Ask a unionist a question and get a pro union answer. Back to the EU for Scotland, at least we will have a seat and a say in a union that isn’t out to destroy our culture, language and turn us into dependents.
We speak the same language
In your wettest dream ❤
Definitely not better off after devolution. Taxes are higher, class rooms are out of control, roads are terrible.
If Shona is typical of Scots, then let them be. They are getting what they deserve. I would advocate for the UK to pull funding and let them go their own way.
Maybe you should ask yourself why the UK state won't allow Scotland to decide for itself if it wants to stay part of this genocide supporting state .
I don't get why nobody ever frames it in this way. Scotland is already in charge of everything except pensions and defence and does so with a greater per capita spending budget than England. Thus, anything except those two things is fully on them unless I'm missing something (and it's a good yardstick of whether things would change if they became independent)?
The comments by the young lady from the National are frankly ludicrous. The SNP is a deeply cynical party and has been very good at presenting an image of 'caring competence' while sowing animosity within the UK; when the Inquiry was coming to town they-and especially Sturgeon- clearly realised that deleting Watsapps (or them 'not being retained on my device', in Sturgeon-speak)-particularly in the face of her assurance of 'transparency'- would cause major and justifiable outrage. They have clearly done a balancing act and decided that that outrage was as nothing compared to what would have flowed from their disclosure- potentially misfeasance and other criminal offences, or civil liability on a massive scale ? I hope that one day we find out- but we will not find out through the National
Appalled to hear Ms Craven apparently condoning Sturgeon blatency lying
I thought this was going to be an open and unbiased discussion!🤣
They joked so it must have been innocent. 😁FFS
White. White. White.
You must be a racist😅
Packi packi packi. If I said that in packistan I'd have been shot. Welcome to snp Scotland.
Shona really gives me the dry boak. Ever the apologist. Shame on her.
Morals , truth and integrity are in short supply in Holyrood. Seats taken by The Scottish Family Party would definitely add these attributes into the debate.
Shona: deletions were “unfortunate” ….our defensiveness was “we weren’t as bad as them”. Phew…Nicola is better at PR than Boris! But her “Disingenuousness” in relation to the “independence campaign” during the pandemic = one of Nicola’s best ever whoppers. She went straight from a cabinet, discussing Covid/independence, to a press conference. When questioned, she flatly and angrily denied it saying: “we are not dealing with politics at the moment… We are dealing with a virus… Frankly, anyone who is trotting out political or constitutional arguments is in the wrong place completely…”
“White lie” 😂 Guess which way Shona votes 🤷🏼♀️ Scotland deserves better than the SNP & a complicit SMSM 😢
The Snp are not doing very well. Embarrassing!
In New Zealand, Ardern had skillfully palled up to particular journalists. The reason was two fold, she could control the narrative by allowing those said journalists privileged access and asking questions that she knew would not be threatening. Thus giving her favorable articles.
Secondly, those with the privileges would then be in secure, powerful positions within the media outlets, influencing the employment procedures. This allows a culture that leans towards her thinking for future generations within the high media echelons.
Whether she has learned this from the SNP or vice-versa is desputed. One thing is for sure, NZ is weening itself off this cabal, and I sure hope Scotland will do the same.
Arden is skillful like a dictator
Police Scotland is dysfunctional? That’s being pretty kind; where is that £600,000? What the hell are the cops in Scotland doing?
The dysfunction is pursuing a case which clearly has nothing in it . Money donated for an independence campaign was spent running a campaign for an independence party .
And here lies where the problems lie in Scotland.Excuses for everything.Not a clue.
In all fairness, I’d rather have Full Fiscal Autonomy for the sake of both accountability and transparency!
That will never happen mate
Seriously and you think that will give accountability and transparency, I think not!
@@DS246416 if a Scottish Government is having to raise its own Taxation, then that inevitably means a degree of accountability and transparency!
@@jeremyhiggins7687 how so?
If the Scots do not like devolution they could easily vote for parties that will scrap it. But they dont. There is a very interesting debate taking place here. Fraser Nelson looks at Scotland and judges devolution to be a failure. However his perception is viewed through a Tory lens. The point is that devolution is democratic and where governments make mistakes the people can vote for the other lot. However in Scotland the other lot to the SNP appears to be the Labour party. The failure here is the Tory party, not devolution.
I was born in the 60s and educated in Scotland from state primary and secondary through to my masters degree. The quality of teaching and testing I had wont ever come back. Scotland used to provide excellent state education which deteriorated under the snp. The snp have put everything into independence at a cost to all that was great about Scotland.
I see my earlier comment which was not offensive in any way has been deleted, thank you so much RUclips for making sure we are controlled by you. Disgraceful.
The National is a propaganda comic. Why give them a platform?
Aye right Shona
….there is something very ‘sixth-former’ about Shona Craven’s arguments.
If Shona Craven believes any of what she is spouting she belongs in the dolls house beside her!!
Tony Blair thought that devolution would mean Scotland would always be controlled by Labour, but it's an example of political expedience gone disastrously wrong. The SNP has been a disaster and that may be because they don't want Scotland to be successful unless it is independent, or it might just be because the SNP politicians are monumentally incompetent.
Us Scots r not interested in Westminster it's Scotland we care about🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
Shona Craven you talk some amount of crap defending the SNP .
Devolution has been a disaster...look to Wales ...where this part of the country is declining more with every passing day ....we need a,referendum to put an end to this disastrous decision from the despot Blair's dynasty ....
Can someone tell Fraser that "don't you think xyz" just hands the narrative to the opponent and allows them to frame their own question ? this was not a discussion - it was one person trying to create an interesting and dialogue and the other one simply holding the party line. in that sense because Fraser was not able to push his game upwards, the dialogue became predictable and boring.
Omg that woman defending deception and belittling what has gone on against the scottish people
Is this a Tory party commercial?
Not a single thought has ever whistled thought this lady.
The reality of poverty and deprivation there is quite shocking, real
Third world
Conditions
But the professional man should not have been ignored its bvious it was politically motivated only🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
In a word…YES
Too many politicians in Scotland
What a silly question to ask a colonised country.
You know who pays her.
Never mind Westminster this is Scotland who had the best education ever the Envy of the world but under the SNP they have completely destroyed this as well as the rest of the country the SNP are the worst thing to ever happen to Scotland they need to go the sooner the better
State of nippy in her red two piece "power" suit and her matching mask .
SHORT ?!
Is Shona playing devil's advocate, or is she a Nicoliar's supporter? The SNP's defence is either blame Westminster, or say how they are doing it better than Westminster.
Westminster should abolish the devolved scottish government and reclaim those powers
Or significantly narrow their legislative remit
Well we know which side of the fence your on lady
The fish politicised COVID. Thr bigger criticisms were there to see before her resignation. You just had to open your eyes
How shona worked that out is funny. They joked so couldn't have been up to no good. AYE RIGHT.
If Scotland breaks.....what happens to Faslane? They'll cut a deal with Putin. Hell I'd move there in a flash.
SNP position would change from "No Nukes " to "Pay us a billion in rent for the bases"
A question for Fraser, fellow Spectators and Scots.... Would you (A) prefer an Independent nation (like most others) than has given Scots the best standard of living by every comparison you wish to make with rUK ....OR ... (B) A Labour Government at Westminster that crashed the economy in 2008, took this country into an illegal war that killed millions, took Scotland out of the EU against our will, prefers giving bankers uncapped bonuses and caps child support, sold off large tranche of our Gold reserves for a pittance ...or ...(C) the most incompetent and corrupt Tory government in London that again has crashed the economy, given us 16 years of austerity that has trebled the rates of homelessness, child poverty and national debt, soaring mortgage rates and a cost of living crisis that is forcing countless nos into destitution and debt ??? Just select your choice and vote at the next General election.
A journalist from the SNP newsletter 😂😂 howling
They used whatsapp because they thought they wouldnt be caught
Sturgeons a Rat.
What about the money thats nissing
We should tell all nations in the United Kingdom. Ever closer union. You are either in or out, once and for all. Have a referendum. Parliament is Westminster. No national assemblies. No separate laws. No printing your own money. Northern Ireland. Either you are in or out. If you are in. A proper boarder with Ireland. Do away with that nonsense about treating Irish Citizens as though they are not foreigners when they are. Ireland gave us a very hard time at Brexit and Irish Comedian Aisling Bea, all but spat on our Flag of Union in a recent QI. She should be deported.
She’s a comedian, and let’s face it, the whole world is having a right chuckle at the UK at the moment. There’ll be no boarder on Ireland and good luck trying to build one. I’m surprised you didn’t propose deporting the Irish to Rwanda! Sounds like you’re grasping at straws inside a delusional mind 😂
So you want to Force assimilation on to the another nations?, are you kidding thats just mess up you want destroy our cultures bc you dont like what our goverment doing, it scares me that people like you have the right to vote
The thing that fascinates me was when Hamza asked someone if he would be able to speak to a small group without wearing a mask.Answer: Hold a drink in your hand . So much for Partigate and the Keir incident.
Eh,AYE
Nothing to see here, move along now......🧐🙄
The idea of devolution was good. But in nearly every case its not worked..
Blair and Brown thought "We will always win in Edinburgh and Cardiff (😅). But we might not in England - so no devolution for them!"
Nawh we are being robbed every day with this cult
The biggest disaster since the darian!