What's even crazier: -1845: Baylor was established -1920: Memphis was established -1969: UTSA was established -1973: Carnegie Tiers were established -2021: UTSA, being the youngest school, gains R1 status along with Baylor and Memphis (+others) UTSA got that trajectory! Also, both Baylor and UTSA won their Conference Football Championships. Yay to the both of us.
What’s crazy is that Memphis has a graduation rate less than 50 percent but is considered Tier 1. UTSA’s graduation rate is 37 percent which is atrocious. I know Tier 1 is based on research but graduation rates should factor into. This is why the AAU is way more important and worth more. I’m sure all of the AAU schools have a graduation rate higher than 50 percent.
We are proud of you. All current B12 schools (except) TCU are now R1. 3 of the 4 B12 adds are, also (BYU is not). Memphis only escaped the grasp of the State Board of Regents a few years ago. Things have been improving quickly since getting their own BoR.
Everyone thinks Houston is a small school….. Houston is massive …. They take everything serious. Football is always decent , mens basketball got into final 4 last year and lost to the champs…… giant city , giant market.
@@MrJara1018 I agree. The only knock is that their attendance for that situation is pretty bad. They are about 7th on the sports pecking order in Houston. Just the way it is in a big, professional sports city.
The R1 status is great news! Adds more academic credentials to the Big XII. Now the new Big XII, 10 of the 12 schools are R1 status. The only ones who are not R1 status now are Texas Christian University (TCU) and Brigham Young University (BYU). With the potential members for a Chapter Two of expansion, Memphis and Univ. of South Florida (USF) are R1 status, but SMU and Boise State are not.
The Real Story: Forbes Top Colleges 2021/ Best Schools rankings in ( ) 45th. Texas (38th) 53rd. BYU (79th) 67th San Diego St (148th) 95th Utah (99th) 102 SMU (68th) 114 Houston (179th) 125 Oklahoma (127th) 136 USF (103rd) 138 UCF (148th) 156 Iowa State (122nd) 163 Texas Tech (213th) 173 Fresno St (213th) 184 TCU (83rd) 188 Kansas (122nd) 199 CSU (148th) 204 Okla State (187th) 205 Baylor (75th) 224 Cincinnati (148th) 230 Kansas St (162nd) 240 West Virginia (249th) 274 UNLV (249th) 447 Memphis (249th) Not in top 600. Boise St (299th) *lowest ranking possible in “Best Schools” is 299th
Yeah, having nationally ranked universities, R1 schools, and AAU members should result in tens of billions for Big12 members. That is, if the conference votes to integrate their libraries, research, faculty training/hiring programs, and implements a preferential grad admissions program for Big12 undergrads students (similar to the B1G and PAC). Then, the academics of the Big 12 would matter alot more.
Utah State and BYU are actually rivals. It’s not on the level of the Holy War with Utah but it’s still a bitter rival. The Battle for the Wagon Wheel is a lesser known rivalry game trophy
Tv markets is the main thing keeping USU out right now. We also need to have a few more great seasons like this year (which will subsequently help the tv revenue) to prove consistency, but if those boxes get checked, I could see an invite from the PAC-12 or Big 12 coming Either of those conferences would be great with natural rivalries. Revive the battle of the brothers rivalry with Utah or keep up the battle of the wagon wheel with BYU
Which is why Kansas and Iowa State are always mentioned for Big 10. Only AAU schools in Big 12. I'm happy with new Big 12 as Iowa State fan, so hope that doesn't happen but if invited, no way you turn it down given the $$$$.
s far as I can tell, there are only 5 states that don't have an R1... Idaho, Wyoming, Maine, S. Dakota, and Vermont. I don't know why it's a big deal. BYU , TCU and Boise St. are good football schools that are not R1. A school having an undergraduate vs. PhD focus is not a bad thing. I mean how hard could it to get if the University of Nevada, Las Vegas, and Universiuty of Nevada, Reno have R1 status... I mean, REALLY?
Any State school can easily achieve it. Private schools not so much. Only about 26 Private schools and less than 5 Christian. So yeah when you have no restrictions on Fed and State monies. Not that hard.
Horse hockey, no Power 5’s are interested in schools that can barely put 19,000 into the stands for football. The athletic program operates at a 60% deficit according to USAToday. You win a MW championship great, but until it becomes a regular occasion don’t get a big head, you’re still baby brother in your own state.
UTSA only been a school for about a decade fam.....Beat Baylor, R1 Research Institution, C-USA Conference Champs, Heading into AAC, (story to be incrementally continued).
Huh… interesting that Houston got “R1” status before Baylor… Other than that, nothing to see here, folks. Nothing on Big XII Chapter 2 Expansion. Same thing like last time which is “potential targets” and so on…
Houston Got R1 back in 2011 when UT and TAMU were the only R1 schools in the state of Texas. It's not that shocking when you consider UH's connections to the Texas Medical Center (One of the best medical complexes in the world) being located in Houston , along with all the other research affiliates the schools has being in a global city. It may not be a football powerhouse, but its right up there in producing and attracting global research. UH is ranked between 201-300 in ARWU, while Balyor is between 601-700.
Idk about that anymore. Utah state a great basketball school and are catching up on football too. Plus utah has such a bigger poll of recruits than idaho
So now with Texas Tech, Houston and Baylor are all R1 that can provide some new intrigue for the PAC-12 as they don’t only take AAU schools. Could be bad news for the Big-12.
@@jesses5463 You might want to do some research about USC. They were operated by and affiliated with the Methodist church up until the 60’s. There are still affiliated Catholic, LDS, and Jewish congregations on or near campus. One of the largest donors to USC even helped build a Catholic Church near new student housing.
None of those schools are a good fit geographically or politically. The PAC-12 only showed interest in Big 12 teams when the conference was on the brink of collapse, because they would need half of that conference in order for expansion into middle America to make any sense whatsoever. Poaching two or three teams was never an option. Besides, the PAC-12 is in no condition to poach teams right now. Fan attendance is dwindling, the level of play is low, and their title game had around half the viewership of the Big 12’s while featuring their marquee program. They’re closer to collapse than the Big 12 right now.
Baylor is the highest rated academic school in the new Big 12, BYU is second. Achieving an R1 status is excellent but remember the two worst academic schools in the FBS are Boise State and Memphis according to Forbes magazine and USNews, both are now R1’s. Utah State is where they belong in the MW according to their support, 19K average attendance and the fact that their athletic department is still subsidized at a 60% level.
UH is ranked 201 in the ARWU, while baylor is ranked 600. You still have a good school but it is NOT the highest ranked academic school in the new big 12.
If your going by US News rankings Baylor is higer that Kansas and Iowa State, but those US News rankings are skewed by schools willing to pay for a higher ranking. Kansas and Iowa State are AAU members. And you can argue R1 status, but thats like 150 universities. R1 status is mostly about filling out paperwork. AAU is invitation only from the other schools. Far more selective. Baylor will most likely never get in.
Don't know where you saw that Boise is R1. They are not. They are R2. Their bigger challenge is they fall into the "non or non-rankable" category in both the Forbes or US News rankings.
@@23Kite damn near everyone us r1 it's not a big deal and you just got it how sad. O and r1 doesn't mean aau you aren't aau. The 12 only has 2 aau schools and both want in the 10 lol.
Being a religious school is an impediment to getting government grant money which is the fast track to research activity. We can't all be Arizona State.
Not being an R1 doesn't mean a school has bad academics. A lot of it is based on how much research dollars a school gets through grants. It does make it easier to attract top professors and graduate students. It helps with sports because it's University Presidents that decide what conference they are in. And And better academic and research schools like to be associated with each other. I mean, there's a reason Northwestern and Vanderbilt are in no danger of getting kicked out of their respective conferences, even though they don't put guys in the NFL.
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What's even crazier:
-1845: Baylor was established
-1920: Memphis was established
-1969: UTSA was established
-1973: Carnegie Tiers were established
-2021: UTSA, being the youngest school, gains R1 status along with Baylor and Memphis (+others)
UTSA got that trajectory! Also, both Baylor and UTSA won their Conference Football Championships. Yay to the both of us.
What’s crazy is that Memphis has a graduation rate less than 50 percent but is considered Tier 1. UTSA’s graduation rate is 37 percent which is atrocious. I know Tier 1 is based on research but graduation rates should factor into. This is why the AAU is way more important and worth more. I’m sure all of the AAU schools have a graduation rate higher than 50 percent.
University of Houston hit Tier 1 research in 2011.
We are proud of you. All current B12 schools (except) TCU are now R1. 3 of the 4 B12 adds are, also (BYU is not). Memphis only escaped the grasp of the State Board of Regents a few years ago. Things have been improving quickly since getting their own BoR.
Everyone thinks Houston is a small school….. Houston is massive …. They take everything serious. Football is always decent , mens basketball got into final 4 last year and lost to the champs…… giant city , giant market.
@@MrJara1018 I agree. The only knock is that their attendance for that situation is pretty bad. They are about 7th on the sports pecking order in Houston. Just the way it is in a big, professional sports city.
@@joeraymorton2414 that will improve given the big 12 membership
@@doritosmix73 well, yeah.
Something like 150 schools in the US are R1. The true research universities in America are AAU.
Roughy 3.7% of degree granting universities are R1 versus roughly 1.7% for AAU schools.
BYU will never gain R1 status because they refuse to accept federal dollars and the federal oversight that goes with it.
University of Louisiana at Lafayette to Big 12
Well, that would put the conference into Louisiana, a recruiting hot spot.
The R1 status is great news! Adds more academic credentials to the Big XII. Now the new Big XII, 10 of the 12 schools are R1 status. The only ones who are not R1 status now are Texas Christian University (TCU) and Brigham Young University (BYU).
With the potential members for a Chapter Two of expansion, Memphis and Univ. of South Florida (USF) are R1 status, but SMU and Boise State are not.
The Real Story:
Forbes Top Colleges 2021/ Best Schools rankings in ( )
45th. Texas (38th)
53rd. BYU (79th)
67th San Diego St (148th)
95th Utah (99th)
102 SMU (68th)
114 Houston (179th)
125 Oklahoma (127th)
136 USF (103rd)
138 UCF (148th)
156 Iowa State (122nd)
163 Texas Tech (213th)
173 Fresno St (213th)
184 TCU (83rd)
188 Kansas (122nd)
199 CSU (148th)
204 Okla State (187th)
205 Baylor (75th)
224 Cincinnati (148th)
230 Kansas St (162nd)
240 West Virginia (249th)
274 UNLV (249th)
447 Memphis (249th)
Not in top 600. Boise St (299th)
*lowest ranking possible in “Best Schools” is 299th
Please no SMU
Congrats Baylor! It's a big positive for the conference too
Yeah, having nationally ranked universities, R1 schools, and AAU members should result in tens of billions for Big12 members. That is, if the conference votes to integrate their libraries, research, faculty training/hiring programs, and implements a preferential grad admissions program for Big12 undergrads students (similar to the B1G and PAC). Then, the academics of the Big 12 would matter alot more.
I don’t understand why people want to expand past 12….the conference needs to hold off expansion and expand when the timing is right financially
Being a 12 team league is not viable any more. Do we wanna be like the pac 12 no no we dont. We need to expand more
Just incase they lose 2 more schools
UTSA would be a great long-term addition to the Big XVI
With Utah State being R1 status…perhaps they’re the natural partner with BYU…and not Boise State?
Utah State and BYU are actually rivals. It’s not on the level of the Holy War with Utah but it’s still a bitter rival. The Battle for the Wagon Wheel is a lesser known rivalry game trophy
Utah state has no brand
It's about TV markets. Got Utah already. Idaho and Boise is growing like crazy. Boise st fans travel as well
Tv markets is the main thing keeping USU out right now. We also need to have a few more great seasons like this year (which will subsequently help the tv revenue) to prove consistency, but if those boxes get checked, I could see an invite from the PAC-12 or Big 12 coming
Either of those conferences would be great with natural rivalries. Revive the battle of the brothers rivalry with Utah or keep up the battle of the wagon wheel with BYU
Both of them are good i like the boise state byu rivalry more but usu good at basketball too and just won the mwc so either one
Congrats on accomplishment. Your mention of Big 10? R1 doesn’t move the needle one iota for Big 10. Lots of R1 schools. Their standard is AAU.
Which is why Kansas and Iowa State are always mentioned for Big 10. Only AAU schools in Big 12. I'm happy with new Big 12 as Iowa State fan, so hope that doesn't happen but if invited, no way you turn it down given the $$$$.
Thank you for the video.
s far as I can tell, there are only 5 states that don't have an R1... Idaho, Wyoming, Maine, S. Dakota, and Vermont. I don't know why it's a big deal. BYU , TCU and Boise St. are good football schools that are not R1. A school having an undergraduate vs. PhD focus is not a bad thing.
I mean how hard could it to get if the University of Nevada, Las Vegas, and Universiuty of Nevada, Reno have R1 status... I mean, REALLY?
Any State school can easily achieve it. Private schools not so much. Only about 26 Private schools and less than 5 Christian. So yeah when you have no restrictions on Fed and State monies. Not that hard.
R1 isnt a big deal. People like to comapre it to AAU membership but that is far more exclusive.
@@stephenlang7870 Those people do not know what either are.
WVU is Carnegie R1, too.
LOUISIANA RAGIN CAJUNS!!!
R1 should be a basic criteria for any new schools.
Is R1 the same as AAU?
No
OMG! LOFL! NO!
No!!!!
does this kind of impact Boise states chances of getting in the Big 12?
It probably lessons their chances.
How?
Damn….that’s ridiculous..Boise deserves it I believe ..but that had me worried as soon as I heard the news
@@lordrayden3045 I dont think Boise has the best academia..
@@brucewallace3053 ahh..thats tough.. Im going to ask them tomorrow about it during the live show
That's it, Utah State to the Big XII!!!
Never happen…
Better than Memphis!
See if the PAC 12 will take you
Horse hockey, no Power 5’s are interested in schools that can barely put 19,000 into the stands for football. The athletic program operates at a 60% deficit according to USAToday. You win a MW championship great, but until it becomes a regular occasion don’t get a big head, you’re still baby brother in your own state.
If I was the big 12 I would do it 🤷🏽♂️
Ask not what your school can do for you, ask what you can do for your school
Did not know Baylor was not R1 lol
Love you all but all these football folks acting like they have any idea what R1 status actually means. LOL!
UTSA only been a school for about a decade fam.....Beat Baylor, R1 Research Institution, C-USA Conference Champs, Heading into AAC, (story to be incrementally continued).
You have two R1 schools leaving for the SEC also. Just sayin...
Texas was also an AAU school and none of the new schools replace that.
Huh… interesting that Houston got “R1” status before Baylor…
Other than that, nothing to see here, folks. Nothing on Big XII Chapter 2 Expansion. Same thing like last time which is “potential targets” and so on…
Houston Got R1 back in 2011 when UT and TAMU were the only R1 schools in the state of Texas. It's not that shocking when you consider UH's connections to the Texas Medical Center (One of the best medical complexes in the world) being located in Houston , along with all the other research affiliates the schools has being in a global city. It may not be a football powerhouse, but its right up there in producing and attracting global research. UH is ranked between 201-300 in ARWU, while Balyor is between 601-700.
@@Bobby_Roy now THAT is interesting...
Utah State a good school but I would take Boise State over Utah State
Idk about that anymore. Utah state a great basketball school and are catching up on football too. Plus utah has such a bigger poll of recruits than idaho
Go Baylor, probably the best school in Texas now.
So now with Texas Tech, Houston and Baylor are all R1 that can provide some new intrigue for the PAC-12 as they don’t only take AAU schools. Could be bad news for the Big-12.
Tech will be AAU in 2 years
Pac-12 doesn't want religious nuts. They are nuts of a different flavor.
@@jesses5463 You might want to do some research about USC. They were operated by and affiliated with the Methodist church up until the 60’s. There are still affiliated Catholic, LDS, and Jewish congregations on or near campus. One of the largest donors to USC even helped build a Catholic Church near new student housing.
None of those schools are a good fit geographically or politically. The PAC-12 only showed interest in Big 12 teams when the conference was on the brink of collapse, because they would need half of that conference in order for expansion into middle America to make any sense whatsoever. Poaching two or three teams was never an option.
Besides, the PAC-12 is in no condition to poach teams right now. Fan attendance is dwindling, the level of play is low, and their title game had around half the viewership of the Big 12’s while featuring their marquee program. They’re closer to collapse than the Big 12 right now.
@@eujr4SC You might want to do some research on the state of California. Things have changed significantly since the 60s.
R1 is a big deal
Not really. AAU is the big deal...and neither one of those designations matter for undergrad degrees.
Baylor is the highest rated academic school in the new Big 12, BYU is second. Achieving an R1 status is excellent but remember the two worst academic schools in the FBS are Boise State and Memphis according to Forbes magazine and USNews, both are now R1’s. Utah State is where they belong in the MW according to their support, 19K average attendance and the fact that their athletic department is still subsidized at a 60% level.
Old news for Memphis!
lol Ya'll just got R1. UH obtained that in 2011. Calm down a bit bobby.
UH is ranked 201 in the ARWU, while baylor is ranked 600. You still have a good school but it is NOT the highest ranked academic school in the new big 12.
If your going by US News rankings Baylor is higer that Kansas and Iowa State, but those US News rankings are skewed by schools willing to pay for a higher ranking. Kansas and Iowa State are AAU members. And you can argue R1 status, but thats like 150 universities. R1 status is mostly about filling out paperwork. AAU is invitation only from the other schools. Far more selective. Baylor will most likely never get in.
Don't know where you saw that Boise is R1. They are not. They are R2. Their bigger challenge is they fall into the "non or non-rankable" category in both the Forbes or US News rankings.
If any research designation moves the needle in realignment, it’s AAU affiliation. Not “R1” or whatever it is you call it.
Baylor just got r1 status how did it take so long wow how bad are academics in the big 12
not at all, we're R1 suck it.
@@23Kite damn near everyone us r1 it's not a big deal and you just got it how sad. O and r1 doesn't mean aau you aren't aau. The 12 only has 2 aau schools and both want in the 10 lol.
Being a religious school is an impediment to getting government grant money which is the fast track to research activity. We can't all be Arizona State.
Not being an R1 doesn't mean a school has bad academics. A lot of it is based on how much research dollars a school gets through grants. It does make it easier to attract top professors and graduate students. It helps with sports because it's University Presidents that decide what conference they are in. And And better academic and research schools like to be associated with each other. I mean, there's a reason Northwestern and Vanderbilt are in no danger of getting kicked out of their respective conferences, even though they don't put guys in the NFL.
@@23Kite This guy is just a troll. He shows up on K-State RUclips channels, too. By the way, congrats to Baylor on attaining R1 status.