Servers, absolutely. Even Ow had awful low htz servers at launch. Role queue? No, bad idea. There are bans in this game at high level, meaning with role queue the one trick pony problem can lead to essentially a targeted ban and team loss. Flexing should be a expectation of playing competitively, although an argument could be made for limiting the archetype slots to a max of 4 of any kind. Max 4 tank 2 healers. 4 dps 1 tank 1 healer. Etc. Role queue hard locks synergy theory crafting and countering to really stale metas, and will limit the teamup options devs can plan.
I’m sick of everyone saying something is or isn’t an issue because of high level ranks when most players are not at that level? Why balance to the top 500 people when there are millions of players? Just when you get into bronze three you are higher rank than 58% of players based on what it said after my first win. So this guy shouldn’t be able to have a fun non comp game because of what it will do to high ranked play?
@@unclezero7639 then why limit the game because some people have bad games where their egos get in the way of how the game is meant to be played. Flexing IS the game, nobody is entitled to playing their singular hero all the time, even if many people have egos fatter than their fingers. While expecting casuals to shift mentality towards being helpful is misguided, there are people who flex and they shouldn't have that skill punished just because you're crying about not being able to go double digit deaths on a character you don't even understand. On top of that, some characters don't neatly fill the 'role' of each archetype, eg Loki and Cap can be played as more dps adjacent than strictly their 'role'. AND it limits the creation of further heroes and teamups. Bronze3 means you played ranked AT ALL. Even at top 5% that's a million of players at or close to diamond. *I* am sick of balancing around people's egos, where they can't bother to improve at the game and be good at multiple roles/characters, which should be as much a determining factor as anything else in ranked. If they want to put limits on quickplay, then whatever.
Max of 4? What kind of team comp is that. If they literally stop showing who you're fighting against like any other competitive games with bans, and add streamer mode, u remove the targeted ban issue. Role queue is so much better than what you're proposing is not even an argument.
In game pingers often double the ping depending on how the game handles connections, to avoid desync sometimes a multiplayer game will do 2 send and receives per single action to make the action look the same to all parties involved. A direct ping doesn't tell you anything about what's going on in the backend. And ya, they likely didn't expect it to be as popular as it has been so probably need a few more servers lol
Have you tried deselecting some of the servers? I play in NA and I’ve noticed that the game often defaults to having all three servers selected, which raises my ping when left this way. I’ll only leave Oregon selected and it helps a bit since that’s the closest one to me even though I’m in SoCal.
Big agree abt the network issues. Role queue… imo is a bandage over the problem. It’s an unfun and limiting way to deal with lackluster game design. Right now most of the heroes (and the naturally popular ones no less) are DPS. As you go up the ranks you see more and more ppl willing to flex their role , but someone has to give. Ive been solo healer for soo many games and goddamn its a nightmare but a good game will force that variety instead of feeding into it. IMO the base problem should be fixed before a bandage solution that feels more awkward, if that doesnt work out ? Role queue sure lets go
I agree. Hence why I mentioned something like if they give they more health or a new passive depending on how many dps you have. Or just something to make not having roll queue viable bc it’s auto Ls
@ thats true, even something like currency rewards for playing more roles in ranked may be a good incentive. What do u think abt some heroes getting changed roles ? I think storm could easily become a support and wolverine a vanguard both with very slight changes
Agreed. Some sort of role queue is needed. No amount of adding 'fun' tanks and strategists will change people just playing dps. I have played around 50 competitive games. I have had to play tank probably in 45 of them cause nobody wants to... its so fucking annoying.
Having the same issue I'm now rank 35 and still have not touched ranked even once because i worry it will happen in ranked and i'll get screwed so i play quickplay. Role queue needs to happen for sure, the problem is soooo many people are new to this genre of shooter they don't understand balance in a 6v6 hero shooter they just wanna play the character they like from the movies or comics they don't care. I only play tank and support the only time i DPS is if there is a daily challenge i need to complete then i'm back on tank or heals. So many times i'm either a solo tank or healer...sometimes we manage and win other times we get completely abused and i wish more teams had common sense to realize the team is unbalanced going up against a proper 2-2-2 comp. i don't understand how some people just enjoy dying 12 times in a row and never switch total braindeads. role queue would just make my time so much more enjoyable and less stressful.
I don’t have connection issue but the bs quick play is what is killing me. I want to play comp but can’t practice or dial in my settings in anything close to a real match with real players
I started out well and climbed straight to Gold. I then proceeded to lose due to bad comp and selfish players all the way back down to Bronze 2. I think I lost like 11 games in a row no lie
I get why people want role queue but you can find people who do play roles different than yourself and add them and then make a group. Even just 2 other people is good enough to have some team comp variety. Role queue was a huge part of why Overwatch sucks. All those dps mains must suffer until they learn a different role. I think people have just gotten too conditioned by roles.
@ cheers, you too man. Your combo videos have helped me a lot! Also with regards to your ping - you haven’t done something like select multiple regions have you and it’s consequently sending you to a worse off region?
Role q can be good, but not in overwatch type games, overwatch clearly proved that role q is an anti fun expirience - communicate, learn how to play strategist or tank, do something. Role q is a bad thing on many reasons: If you do a role q- you need to enter a separate rating for each role, because Diamond DPS is not necessarily Diamond Tank, it leads to the division of the total pool of players, you split it and exponentially increase the time to find the game. It also overestimates the expectations of the game, when you wait a long time to find a game you expect the game to find you a normal team, but 50% of the time it doesn't and you only build up frustration. 100 ping is awful, but it is not "unplayble" at all, i play at 100 ping whole life and still good at fast paced chars like spider man :\
You’re not trying to play comp tho. I’m a sweat who is not going to play at a disadvantage. Especially when I have all my hardware made for being ultra competitive. Monitors, mouse, etcc. That’s good for you… but I don’t lag in games. I pay for my experience to be smooth and fast and sharp and responsive. I don’t play on toasters nor do I accept teleporting or desyncs in my game. That’s not the way I’ll ever play. I don’t play for fun I play to compete. And winning in competition is my fun. So I can’t do it.
@@z00ko First: My PC is not a toaster, Second: i also have a "competetive" setup with high refresh rate monitor etc. Third: I ranked up to the gold II (which is not high obviously) without a single lose, you only just to need to actually communicate with your team and not be toxic. There is can be games what you just can't win, also there whoud be games that you just can't lose, role q doesn't affect this at all. If you want truly cybersport expirience - go to CS:GO, or Valorant, or at least get back to OW 2 :\
I started out well and climbed straight to Gold. I then proceeded to lose due to bad comp and selfish players all the way back down to Bronze 2. I think I lost like 11 games in a row no lie
First person to point this out. Bad servers are only the issue and its big one.
Servers, absolutely. Even Ow had awful low htz servers at launch. Role queue? No, bad idea. There are bans in this game at high level, meaning with role queue the one trick pony problem can lead to essentially a targeted ban and team loss. Flexing should be a expectation of playing competitively, although an argument could be made for limiting the archetype slots to a max of 4 of any kind. Max 4 tank 2 healers. 4 dps 1 tank 1 healer. Etc. Role queue hard locks synergy theory crafting and countering to really stale metas, and will limit the teamup options devs can plan.
I’m sick of everyone saying something is or isn’t an issue because of high level ranks when most players are not at that level? Why balance to the top 500 people when there are millions of players? Just when you get into bronze three you are higher rank than 58% of players based on what it said after my first win. So this guy shouldn’t be able to have a fun non comp game because of what it will do to high ranked play?
@@unclezero7639 then why limit the game because some people have bad games where their egos get in the way of how the game is meant to be played. Flexing IS the game, nobody is entitled to playing their singular hero all the time, even if many people have egos fatter than their fingers. While expecting casuals to shift mentality towards being helpful is misguided, there are people who flex and they shouldn't have that skill punished just because you're crying about not being able to go double digit deaths on a character you don't even understand. On top of that, some characters don't neatly fill the 'role' of each archetype, eg Loki and Cap can be played as more dps adjacent than strictly their 'role'. AND it limits the creation of further heroes and teamups. Bronze3 means you played ranked AT ALL. Even at top 5% that's a million of players at or close to diamond. *I* am sick of balancing around people's egos, where they can't bother to improve at the game and be good at multiple roles/characters, which should be as much a determining factor as anything else in ranked. If they want to put limits on quickplay, then whatever.
Max of 4? What kind of team comp is that. If they literally stop showing who you're fighting against like any other competitive games with bans, and add streamer mode, u remove the targeted ban issue. Role queue is so much better than what you're proposing is not even an argument.
In game pingers often double the ping depending on how the game handles connections, to avoid desync sometimes a multiplayer game will do 2 send and receives per single action to make the action look the same to all parties involved. A direct ping doesn't tell you anything about what's going on in the backend. And ya, they likely didn't expect it to be as popular as it has been so probably need a few more servers lol
Have you tried deselecting some of the servers? I play in NA and I’ve noticed that the game often defaults to having all three servers selected, which raises my ping when left this way. I’ll only leave Oregon selected and it helps a bit since that’s the closest one to me even though I’m in SoCal.
i had this issue too. I only selected 1 server the lowest ping one and it's better than before BUT i still see spikes randomly but not that often.
@@Biscotticourt I tried that too but it didn’t change anything for me
Cheaters and server issues are the only thing ruining my experience personally
same here. I have connection issues to this game. Hope they fix the server pathing issues.
Playing mostly black panther, getting teleported on a regular basis and get denied my dash resets.
Hit registration has also been wonky as hell. And rubber banding too
Servers are so bad sometimes I die randomly and see the killcam and it’s just completely different from what happened to me
Big agree abt the network issues. Role queue… imo is a bandage over the problem. It’s an unfun and limiting way to deal with lackluster game design. Right now most of the heroes (and the naturally popular ones no less) are DPS. As you go up the ranks you see more and more ppl willing to flex their role , but someone has to give. Ive been solo healer for soo many games and goddamn its a nightmare but a good game will force that variety instead of feeding into it. IMO the base problem should be fixed before a bandage solution that feels more awkward, if that doesnt work out ? Role queue sure lets go
I agree. Hence why I mentioned something like if they give they more health or a new passive depending on how many dps you have. Or just something to make not having roll queue viable bc it’s auto Ls
@ thats true, even something like currency rewards for playing more roles in ranked may be a good incentive. What do u think abt some heroes getting changed roles ? I think storm could easily become a support and wolverine a vanguard both with very slight changes
Agreed. Some sort of role queue is needed. No amount of adding 'fun' tanks and strategists will change people just playing dps. I have played around 50 competitive games. I have had to play tank probably in 45 of them cause nobody wants to... its so fucking annoying.
Having the same issue I'm now rank 35 and still have not touched ranked even once because i worry it will happen in ranked and i'll get screwed so i play quickplay. Role queue needs to happen for sure, the problem is soooo many people are new to this genre of shooter they don't understand balance in a 6v6 hero shooter they just wanna play the character they like from the movies or comics they don't care. I only play tank and support the only time i DPS is if there is a daily challenge i need to complete then i'm back on tank or heals. So many times i'm either a solo tank or healer...sometimes we manage and win other times we get completely abused and i wish more teams had common sense to realize the team is unbalanced going up against a proper 2-2-2 comp. i don't understand how some people just enjoy dying 12 times in a row and never switch total braindeads. role queue would just make my time so much more enjoyable and less stressful.
@@youmule1 felt this! I wouldn’t have lost more than 10 games so far in comp if I always had a 2-2-2 comp.
Feel better man and thanks for the video
They just make it so people with bad and good internet had the same chances, but seriously that issue needs to go
I don’t have connection issue but the bs quick play is what is killing me. I want to play comp but can’t practice or dial in my settings in anything close to a real match with real players
No role queues, people want to play with their friends & favorite characters
I started out well and climbed straight to Gold. I then proceeded to lose due to bad comp and selfish players all the way back down to Bronze 2. I think I lost like 11 games in a row no lie
I get why people want role queue but you can find people who do play roles different than yourself and add them and then make a group. Even just 2 other people is good enough to have some team comp variety. Role queue was a huge part of why Overwatch sucks. All those dps mains must suffer until they learn a different role. I think people have just gotten too conditioned by roles.
Don’t worry, my Christmas was ruined by Covid, you’re not alone bro
Get well soon brother!
@ cheers, you too man. Your combo videos have helped me a lot! Also with regards to your ping - you haven’t done something like select multiple regions have you and it’s consequently sending you to a worse off region?
Role q can be good, but not in overwatch type games, overwatch clearly proved that role q is an anti fun expirience - communicate, learn how to play strategist or tank, do something. Role q is a bad thing on many reasons:
If you do a role q- you need to enter a separate rating for each role, because Diamond DPS is not necessarily Diamond Tank, it leads to the division of the total pool of players, you split it and exponentially increase the time to find the game. It also overestimates the expectations of the game, when you wait a long time to find a game you expect the game to find you a normal team, but 50% of the time it doesn't and you only build up frustration.
100 ping is awful, but it is not "unplayble" at all, i play at 100 ping whole life and still good at fast paced chars like spider man :\
You’re not trying to play comp tho. I’m a sweat who is not going to play at a disadvantage. Especially when I have all my hardware made for being ultra competitive. Monitors, mouse, etcc. That’s good for you… but I don’t lag in games. I pay for my experience to be smooth and fast and sharp and responsive. I don’t play on toasters nor do I accept teleporting or desyncs in my game. That’s not the way I’ll ever play. I don’t play for fun I play to compete. And winning in competition is my fun. So I can’t do it.
@@z00ko First: My PC is not a toaster, Second: i also have a "competetive" setup with high refresh rate monitor etc. Third: I ranked up to the gold II (which is not high obviously) without a single lose, you only just to need to actually communicate with your team and not be toxic. There is can be games what you just can't win, also there whoud be games that you just can't lose, role q doesn't affect this at all. If you want truly cybersport expirience - go to CS:GO, or Valorant, or at least get back to OW 2 :\
Feel better!
not on PS5
my ping stays very low in the green playing comp & QP
Role queue would be an L
Idk i have att fiber and make sure to only check na east and central and my connections been great so far
Try a different server, Dallas is dogwater.
Tried that. Nothing works
@z00ko rip, but yeah, hopefully they add new servers to lighten the load
I started out well and climbed straight to Gold. I then proceeded to lose due to bad comp and selfish players all the way back down to Bronze 2. I think I lost like 11 games in a row no lie