Bessel van der Kolk, MD | The Cumulative Effects of Trauma
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- Опубликовано: 12 июн 2023
- Thomas interviews world-renowned trauma expert and the author of “The Body Keeps the Score,” Dr. Bessel van der Kolk. They discuss different approaches to healing trauma on individual and societal levels. Dr. Van der Kolk emphasizes the need for physical and relational safety in order to process trauma, and the difficulty of healing in environments that tend towards disembodiment.
He explains that trauma causes us to become numb, withdrawn, and full of shame, and that we experience these sensations physically.
But through collective and creative experiences, practicing self-compassion, and deepening our relationship with our physical bodies and the sensations we feel, we can reconnect to ourselves, re-discover our spirituality, and define our own identities.
Key Points:
02:55 The importance of trauma awareness
06:21 Relational safety forms healthy societies
10:04 An interesting insight into generational trauma
15:10 How safety affects academic performance
18:15 Reigniting physical sensations for healing
23:32 What goes on in healing workshops
29:07 The cycle of trauma and how to break it
38:04 Experiencing healing in the collective
40:24 Being connected makes us Earth-conscious
42:55 MDMA-assisted trauma work
47:57 Spirituality as a healing resource
50:20 Do this daily grounding practice
Bessel van der Kolk, MD is a psychiatrist, author, researcher, and educator based in Boston, United States. Since the 1970s, his research has been in the area of post-traumatic stress. He is the author of The New York Times best-seller, The Body Keeps the Score. Van der Kolk formerly served as president of the International Society for Traumatic Stress Studies and is a former co-director of the National Child Traumatic Stress Network. He is a professor of psychiatry at Boston University School of Medicine and president of the Trauma Research Foundation in Brookline, Massachusetts.
Website: www.besselvanderkolk.com/
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As a child and looking back now, I see that we rarely spoke of trauma (abuses) because that act might bring it upon ourselves or at least activate our own histories we try desperately to keep at bay.
Actually, when I say we I mean others. My whole life I rarely could convince anyone to speak of the past honestly. My mom would say it was depressing and no one wants more of that.
It's taken me about 20 years of being on the edges of relationships to find people who understand the need to release rather than bury the past, and how to be available to trust and love. Mine is still quite jammed up but I no longer feel alone in the process. 🥰
Thank you for sharing your life's work.
One of the most interesting part of this conversation was about the importance of safety when someone is about to be curious. Working with people who seem to be resistant in change, reluctant to discover parts of themselves that are functioning like an obstacle in what they want to achieve, listening this conversation I realized that the only way to help them to develop curiosity about themselves and the world is to help them to feel safe.
This. You cannot expect a person to take risks when they do not feel safe. Important here is that you cannot impose safety on a person with what you think they should need or are allowed to need. Only they decide what they need to feel safe, and until they have that, they lack the safety needed to meet demands. On the darker side, this is also important to understand so that you can recognize when a person is deliberately being prevented from being able to feel safe, to have what they need to feel safe, to prevent them from growing, taking risks, having healthy relationships, accomplishing things in life. When someone is being denied safety, look to who is playing a role in obstructing them from feeling safe and who would benefit from that and you can quickly identify unsafe people and groups to avoid.
I love the warmth of Bessel.
What an engaged conversation. Thank you for this 🙏 At the moment I'm following Thomas Hubl on the many amazing podcasts and at the same time totally immersed in "The body keeps the score" this conversation was like a gift. On the path of healing and transforming trauma we go through so many different states, emotions, memories... Not easy. Thank you for sharing tools and insights 🙇♀️
magnific Bessel v der Kolk !thank you Thomas !
Hubl thank you for letting your guest speak 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏽👏🏽👏🏿👏🏿
You are helping healing … much gratitude..
"The idea that you turn on television in the morning and have your face blared by alien people is inconceivable." I thought I was the only one! I can't do that in the AM.
An absolute delight to listen to you both.. a fabulous conversation to participate in.. rich in its simplicity and delivery.. gratitude for your sharing 🙏
Thank you both so much ❤
Thank you for watching the episode! - Team Thomas Hübl
Love love you both so much 🙏♥️thank you for your valuable humbling presence!
I think these are currently two of my favorite people. 🙂
Thank you both, I am moved ❤
Fantastic!
Very nice trauma journey with the both of you!
Thank you for this rich and inspirational interview. You both felt very alive and that inspired me and made me feel alive. I am really going to do something with the knowledge that I heard. In interaction with other people!
Amazing work.
What Dostoyevsky taught me is that anyone can become a beast if givent the right environment, opportunity and brainwashing. We witness that unravel before our eyes as we speak.
What did Bessel say the first thing he did was get kolked? I found it different to hear with his beautiful accent.
Hello, kind regards. I am watching the episode through subtitles and I do not know the English language
and I did not understand this part
52:36
. Does he mean that healing requires 5 to 10 years? Can you please explain this part to me? What does he mean?
19:45 disembodiment
23:20 wake up your body
28:30 sing dance move to reestablish synchrony