Sims 2 vs Sims 3 vs Sims 4 - Mouth Logic (Part 1)
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- Опубликовано: 8 ноя 2024
- Sims 2 vs Sims 3 vs Sims 4 - Mouth Logic (Part 1)
This the Part 1 of The Sims Comparison videos, where we take a close look at different details of Mouths in The Sims 2, The Sims 3 and The Sims 4.
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0:08 Sims 2
5:08 Sims 3
9:59 Sims 4
• Which game do you think has the best Mouth Logic? Put your thoughts down below in the comments section!
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GOOD GOD IM SO SICK OF SIMS 4 SIMS CONSTANTLY SMILING EVERY DAMN SECOND OF THE DAY
YES!
I hate them smiling so much I'd rather keep them sad (fun fact being sad gives a slight boost to creative skills)
bruh I made Miles Edgeworth in TS4 and he's scaring me
Ikr, it's so creepy, I hate it!
@@kiraoshiro9251No, that's when you have a gloomy sim.
I never thought I would actually spend time watching a comparison of the LIPS of video game characters. AND enjoy it.
Might as well look at the GTA mouth logic videos as well lol
Same. I have no regrets tho
Mouths are hard to animate well and it's impressive to see how far technology has come
Sims 2 was made with love
Yes ! The sims 4 only care about money now it feels dry
yet so ugly
Sims 2 had hair physics!😭
Yeah
Sims 3 was made with passion ❤
If you want me to be honest: The Sims 2 had excellent details and gameplay despite not having the best CAS, BB and open world. So, those details are better fleshed out. The Sims 3 sacrificed some details and animations for a more ambitious approach in gameplay, open world and style-color wheel. The Sims 4 has no excuse to be flawed. It sacrificed ambition for things to "run smoothe in all devices" and it's still a broken, shallow trainwreck. That doesn't go solely for lips-mouth but in general, out of all the comparisons i've seen.
TS2s shortcomings in CAS and BB can be overcome with mods. No amount of mods can fix TS4 because they patch it every other day, can’t even keep mods in the folder without corrupting your game
@@AlexP-dz7ewi never had mods in sims 2 and 3 and every pack felt optional to enhance gameplay. The Shit 4 NEEDS all packs to even feel somehow decent. Plus it needs tons of mods to keep it in line and interesting.
And it doesn't run smoothly at all
You actually made the best description of each Sims game/generation. That's exactly what I've been thinking 👏👏
@@ΓιώργοςΜαραγκός-χ2λ well... i'm glad I did sir! να'στε καλα :D
Even with its flaws we gotta take into consideration that the sims 2 was made in the early 00s
It was still ahead of its time tho 😄
It was impressive for back then I think
Also when sims are sad or angry in Sims 4 , they would pout and it kinda looks realistic
they do that in all of the games
they do that in all of the games
I noticed that there's a lot less lip movement when sims talk in the sims 4. Cassandra's mouth stayed in that smile for the most part while her jaw moved up and down. Whereas in the previous games, the lips are far more animated while talking. So i think i finally figured out why talking always looked really off to me in sims 4.
Nice! I didn't catch it but now that you pointed it out, it's true
If I'm remembering correctly then the mouths in TS2 and 3 were actually animated whereas the mouths in TS4 use code that opens the mouth when a voice line is played. That's why they have more of a "ventriloquist dummy" look to them but more accurately match the vocals.
@@Alistuart the lips don't move, the jaw just opens and closes
it’s mostly like that bc she was happy and constantly smiling
@@xasaliaYes, that is what I was thinking. If she had a negative emotion she wouldn’t have been smiling.
these videos just make you realize how impressive sims 2 and 3 is. theyre rlly old games but a lot stuff still hold up or even better than the sims 4.
Honestly, TS2 coming from a game that had no lip movements (TS1) just heads with textures nodding and shaking is making me like it even more (although the console games predate TS2 if we count those too)
If Sims 2 had some more polygons in the actual sims, the whole game I think would look better than 3 and 4.
I can totally see it!
So true!!! I always said the same thing.
I noticed Sims 3 have some little details tongue 👅 vampire bite when her/his hand wipe on mouth then tongue out "lick" 😱🤯..
More on part 2! 👀
I mostly disappointed how unrealistically light insides of the mouth in TS4.
I agree, more about that on part 2! 👀
Sims 2 had a lot of care put into it, they were going from isometric sims 1 to a 2D game. They wanted to make the most of it. I don't think the people work on sims 4 don't care of don't want to make it the best, but it's all about EA giving money and people to make it happen. Sims 1 was a unprecedented hit, EA wanted Sims 2 to be as great so Maxis had everything they need to make it happend. It's sad how Sims 4 is doing, with todays tech it could be as rich as sims 2, much more, even.
Heck even with the tech from when it was released it could be a lot better....
honestly I feel like Sims 3 deserves some slack for those minor animation differences compared to Sims 2, considering the open world mechanics and just in general all the other tons of animations running at the same time due to it. Sims 4 has no excuse doe lmao
Exactly!! Add to that the fact that the eyes and rest of the face weren't as dead.
That's a dumb equivalent. The things TS3 does wrong are excused because oogabooga open world. TS4 bodies TS3 in so many ways but no one is ready for that conversation lmfao
@@odaphii Sims 3 has less detailed animations- Sims 4 has dumbed down sims, basically no animations compared to 2/3, no open world, missing core gameplay mechanis that were present since TS2, releases constantly game breaking updates and is basically unplayable without DLC. The only thing TS4 does better is that they fixed the dodgy indoor lights and that the sims faces look less weird 💀
@@AbyssfmPf1KVq6 "No animations" is crazy and factually incorrect when TS3 reused every single one from TS2 and whatever was new was butt ugly. TS4 has more animations than both of those combined. Who lied to you?
Every single sims game is gonna suck without dlc. Why would you play a game without extra content?? Lmfao
+ TS3 most definitely also skipped out on a LOT of "core features" from previous games like a functioning memory system that wasn't a glorified screenshot manager, managing restaurants and stores, and an attraction system (TS4 has all those btw)
@@odaphiiwe know you spent too much money on a crappy sims game microtransactions and DLC you don't need to whiteknight it that hard lol TS3 has a ton of unique animations and definitely didn't reuse everything from TS2, or else this video wouldn't even exist. This entire video shows how mouth movements were vastly improved from TS2 and animations remade.
It’s important to note that each game has its flaws. But the Sims 2’s flaws are so subtle as to be barely noticeable most of the time. The frozen facial animations were the only one that I ever remember being truly jarring, even its complicated “corruption” history is more of a background issue that you’ll probably never actually see unless you’re purposefully trying to destroy things. (thank you, April Black & Calipers and Tongs for your services) It just emphasises how much one game was built different to those that came after it, with a lot more care and attention and a real desire to make things perfect.
Idk the lips are really creepy to me, even at the time when i was a kid and played it, the creepy curling mouth corners are a lot lol i definitely noticed oddness in the face even back then. I think some people see TS2 with way too rose colored glasses. I agree on everything else though, no other game has had as much care in the little details
Why do Sims 4 mouths take up 50% of a Sims face 😂
I hate it, especially their maniac smiles 😢
she even smiles after each bite of food
This is why you need to shrink down the mouth. That's what I do
@@littenfire3563same. they may look small in CAS but are still cartoonishly large once you're in game
@@littenfire3563 Doesn't make sense to me why in cas nearly everyone makes their Sims usually have giant lips lol. It's not attractive to me (tho I guess I'll admit that I have unique tastes)!
So I always change the size because I just KNOW it's gonna look monstrous when I'm actually playing 😂
Okay but those sims in sims 3 where full on eating each other lol
thats what we call a proper realistic "make out" sesh. practically eating eachother out. nothing like that watered down politically correct peck on the mouth sims 4 dares to call a make out. gotta protect them 13+ years old teenagers amr? / s
I think the TS3 Sim on the phone is actually talking to himself as if trying to remember something.
There's more idle animations in ts4, but they're less detailed. TS4 they all come off like dolls to a weirdly greater extent than in ts2. 3 had to cut corners for the scope they were going for, so I am willing to give it a pass on tiny details
I can't stand the idle animations, regular gameplay takes 50% longer because of so many unnecessary animations 🗿
@@_PinkiePie.Ikkkk 😭 Plus a lot of them are so unrealistic
I like how in sims 4 you can adjust the lips and how full you want them to be but they should also make lip movements better when talking like Sims 2
For those curious about Sims 4 mouth being more accurate to what they're saying, unlike in Sims 2 and 3 Sims 4 didn't animate lip movement along with the played animations, instead there was ray tracing for the lip syncing while the character animations were animated separately (if this makes sense).
Makes sense how Sims still move their mouths while talking while completely frozen in place due to the massive amounts of bugs in this game 😂
I've always thought that was the case too
You have the right idea but ray tracing is for rendering realistic lighting, not animations 😭 (which TS4 doesn't have btw)
In the sims 4, lip animations are very robot-like and rarely match the voice and the intonation of the sim. Sims in the sims 2 just felt like they were really "alive". By the way, happy 20th birthday, Sims 2!🎉🥳
And the 10th birthday of Sims 4 and they're still milking this game 💀
Sims 4 is the only game that sync the lip movements with the talking as well
11:11 by the way (i didn't watch the full vid yet so idk if u said it)but the previous sims games, the animations where like IN the playing animation, no variation, whereas in the sims 4, the mouth will move when it detrects a sound coming from said sim. Most animations don't have mouth animations (for talking)
The sims 1 has the worst lip movement out of the series as sims cannot move their lips at all in the sims 1 mostly because the game is isometric must even in create a sim which the sim says sul sul you still cannot see their lips move even though create a sims is not isometric but many games in 2000 like neversoft's Spider-Man didn’t have lip movement either. However there is a glitch in both the sims 2 and the sims 3 where the sim's lips stay smiling and never move at all.
Yes! Unfortunately I don't have TS1
Okay but I swear Cassandra Goth was full on French kissing Mortimer Goth 😂
I also had a heart attack thinking she was kissing her dad, but I took a closer look, its truly Don. 😂
Oh good lord 😭😭
@@Captain_Effy Darn it Lothario! Its Always Lothario lol
I’m not sure the Sims 3 drinking animation can be classified as ‘good’ when half the glass clips through the Sim’s face! 😂
That ginger guy with beard from sims 3 is kinda hot lmfao
Zooming in on the "most required animations" made me LOL
Am I the only one getting uncomfortable when they kiss in slo mo ?
No 😢
never notice how much sexual tension were in TS kisses. 11:44 she 100% wanted more
The frozen lips in the sims 2 I think is kinda a normal bug or something. But the sims 2 wins for sure.
I never would have thought that someone would compare MOUTHS...in general, I like Sims 4, it is calmer and not as exaggerated (caricatured?) as in 2. but I love both of these parts.
Calmer? Really? Their mouths are bigger than 64×64 plots
EVERYTHING is exaggerated in TS4, it's the goofy fest, it's so annoying
@@tfgadost funniest comment I've seen all day 😂
2:05 i feel dirty
edit: 6:44 they outperformed themselves
Has anyone noticed that when Sims kiss in the Sims 4 their lips barely touch or is it just me?
Yes! Meanwhile the previous two they are all up in each other's business
Oh man I can't even tell which is more real anymore 😂🤣
cant wait for sims 5 where the lips no longer move when speaking!
not sure if the mouth movement, although aligned with the voice, seems matching it in ts4. it opens in time thanks to the code, but bc of the constant smiling the lips don't move at all, esp in vowels like o or u, which looks very jarring to me. smile doesn't usually affect the lip movement that much...
ts2 and ts3 imo make cleaner job in that, even if the animations are bugged sometimes, don't match voice lines (esp ts2) and lack of the emotions affecting them. i like ts3's approach the most, as it looks like the developers tried to match lip animations with the specific voice lines while being emotional enough 😅
4:52 damn, the nostrils also move like they’re breathing
The last time I saw such detail was in the pc game Imagine Champion Rider from 2007, on a horse though
TS4 is the clear winner here but people will do anything to not give her her flowers when it's deserved lmfao. There is no competition. It's got the most advanced facial animations (and even sound-matched movement) in the series.
Sims 4 and Sims 2
TS2 was masterpiece
The idle sad lip quiver in Sims 4 I think deserved at least an honourable mention.
Sims 2 wasn't flawless but I'll take it any time over sims 4 lazy animations
So happy when u upload a new video, i know would be fulfilled with lot of details and observations
Expressive mouths and DEAD eyes😂😂😂
Best is the one without the everlasting rictus grin.
Your mind!!! Like how’d you even think is this 😭
The fork scraping sounds when they eat 😅😵💫
now we need a video showing how they blink in every game 💀i would totally watch it lmfao
It looks like the creator of this video ran out of ideas, cause a video on lips is something i never thought i'd see 😂 Great vid, keep it up
Haha, no I have a note full of ideas, I'm actually overwhelmed by the number of topics I have yet to cover 😂😂
@sitycims have u done any vids on pets in the sims?
@@Sitycims Ohh! Well, I can't wait to see them lol
@@dog8668 not yet, but it's been all the way down my list of videos in my notes app for a while 😭
8:32 lol I wish we could just get straight to the liquid like this, without having to tilt back our heads until the contents reach the opening of the glass
@Sitycims Not to nitpick, but in The Sims 2, the sim clearly slurps with the spoon, while in The Sims 3, they lick it. Also, when she cuts her finger in The Sims 2, it looks more like she sucks on her finger. We don't lick our fingers like dogs, after all. The jerky teeth movements look more like they're getting into a specific mode for a particular mouth movement, which seems jerky inside but smooth outside (just to explain)
i dont think sims 4's lip movement was necessarily due to effort, more that they are using automatic lip sync detection. makes the mouth open anytime there is a sound playing and takes into account ah and oh sounds, but the accuracy and detail of the movements look untouched. in the other games, we know that voice actors had to time their voices following the body animation on the screen. its possible they lip synced one of the sound clips per animation and reused those for each variation within. that would explain why the lip syncing occasionally lines up, and why they other times talk with no voice coming out. one of the variations must have made them talk at that point
the auto lip sync movements are funny enough a very old technology. i have seen it as far back as classic counter strike, where talking on the mic would make your character open their mouth in a very quirky way. the louder you talked, the more the mouth opened up, and it was very volume sensitive to make the lips/mouth move in an almost vibrating way
check it out here, its hilarious. it even mistakes buzzing sounds and keyboard taps as part of talking /watch?v=-1xAY0RbNtU
It would have been interesting to see a comparison of the animations in 4 based on the different moods they're in.
To be fair with the sims 4, the game came out in 2014, infants came out last year. they had nearly nine or so years to perfect that animation.
Realmente o the sim 2 tem muitos detalhes interessantes e reais.
El único problema es que a algunos Sims en los sims 2 se les salen los dientes por debajo o a algunos vampiros hombres se les ponen azules los colmillos
Pero se les perdona ellos se pueden permitir estos pequeños fallos xD
So weird how it sounds like a different language. Like if Mexico, France and China had a continent baby named sims lol
ts4 animations have an obsession with pronouncing the bottom lip its so goofy and gross
Sims 4 is a mess but lips movement is better
My lips don't lie
TS2 lacks inside mouth detail, no gums no tongue, you next try the eyes, TS2 eyes could not move their eyeballs, but TS3 and TS4 they certainly can.
This video was so uncomfortable with the Sims talking like right in your face flying all over the camera LOL but it was a great comparison. Honestly... I like the Sims 4 animations alright? What I don't like at all are the idle expressions. Like, why is my Sim trying to flip her face inside-out like a donut. Bruh.
Its wild watching a franchise regress completely backwards. But that pretty much became the motto of all things in 2010's and forward.
To be fair, this time the downgrades weren't that aparent haha
@@Sitycims 👀👀👀 peek a boo
I’m sorry but Sims 3 is as good as the 2, the difference it’s that they tried to make it more realist. The only downgrade it’s the Sims 4, that’s dog shit
Sorry to say, but that will continue till the restart :)
But it’s time for heroes and legends
Yup it looks nice but works like trash. Our 25 Y/O fridge works better than our 2020 fridge.
......asking how old the fridges were made my mom cry....
not everyone puffs out their cheeks when blowing tho so i wouldn't really call that an issue
I wish someone somehow made an HD version of sims 2 that can run on modern machines and fixes some bugs alongside it. Note how I said someone, I do not trust EA to do it (plus some of the modern remakes of games from that era have been terrible like the GTA:SA and vice city fiasco)
Sims 4 is THE WORST. I am so glad inZoi will take its place! Im so fkn glad
The sims 2 is the winner sims 2 had will wright working on it the sims 3 where EA started getting lazy
@@MichaelBowker-1970 Actually the BEST packs of the entire series were Sims 3 packs. The Sims 3 was the most ambitious game of the series. PS: I have played all the games, and I absolutely love Sims 2 and all It's packs
@@moopthesimsInto The Future was the best!
Honestly this is the very first video where TS4 wins and TS2 is the worst one to me. I know people rave about TS2 by default but i hate those thin almost disappearing cement lips and curling mouth corners, they creep me out hahah mouths were always the thing i liked the least about how sims looked in TS2... the other two games way better.
That said still impressive the jump from expresionless face textures to all those details, just like how i find sims 1 extremely impressive too despite being so limited. It was revolutionary at the time
awesome
Everyone always praises sims 2 and i agree, its better in so many ways. But all the sims have the same face and i dont like it
I could never play Sims 3 for very long, it runs the worst out of all of them.
Sims 4 feels more like a cash grab.....yes everything is visually better but something about the Sims 2 just had so much character in it
Lmao, the video showed that the sims 4 has the best mouth animations but people in the comments are still hating. Did you even watch the video or did you see a comparison and thought "well, sims 4 sucks so I'll just write a hate comment anyway"?
Honestly, not. During a conversation, the jaw moves, but the lips do not move. Try to do the same thing in front of the mirror, it's awful, dude
Sims 4 girlies forever in Delululand
THISSSS how are people seriously saying ts4 lip movement is bad when its obviously the most advanced
Ok we get it you hate the game no need to make up stuff
Overall sims 4 is a pretty boring game (unless you use cc) but gotta admit the mouth movement is on point
The video is about mouth movements and Sims4 does have the best mouth movements.
I agree with you about the video topic.
3:48 what do you mean "not realistc" have you seen real babies?
sims 4 is better than both of the others, which is expected since its the newest entry, still, not too far ahead though.
Hi
Hello ☺️
i hate that Sims 4 looks like a cartoon
Same... Sure, it's a vibe that can work for certain gameplay (the Sims team seems to think everyone just loves goofy styles and animations), but nearly everyone who's playing a LIFE SIMULATION would want it to be realistic!! (Though honestly, this game doesn't deserve to be called a "life" simulation....)
Not everyone talking trash about The Sims 4. Open your eyes!!! Y'all just CANNOT deny The Sims 4 has the best graphics and animations of all the franchise.
I actually agree lol, I think TS4 did rather good except a few little things.
Best graphics & animations, for mouth probably, however in general, I'm not sure about that! 😭😭
For most animations interacting with objects, not as good, but their facial expressions were more fluid. Still I liked the shapes the faces made in Sims 2 more and there was in general less smiling
Do you play all 4 games too?😁
Or just Sims4?
Ehh... I'm kinda sick of the low poly textures and the chunky look to stuff in the Sims 4, so I don't think it has better modeling. Plus the shading sucks. Why the heck does my basement look like it's outside just because one wall on the top floor is deleted?! And shadows in this are usually terrible too. Especially the shadows underneath your Sims. It makes no sense how it goes through chairs, and the fact that furniture doesn't even have shadows anyway!
It's just an opinion, chill out lol better graphics and animations doesn't automatically make a game better though
Sims 4🎉
the way the sims talk in the sims 4 is so bad
You guys just love to complain about everything
Sims 4 is just so ugly
I believe Sims 2 always win. They need making the sims 2 "REMASTER" in the future like Age Of Empire II got Defintive Edition.
but aswell as the sims 1.
I would looooove a Sims 1 REMAKE, but I don't want the current team nor publisher to go anywhere near it because they'd butcher it completely.
sims 2 remake would look amazing but with the isometric perspective i think a sims 1 remake with the childish cartoony graphics the franchise goes for now would look like a cheap mobile or facebook game.... i like it's original eerie feeling