How do I Speak with People who Believe the Rebbe is Moshiach? - Ask the Rabbi Live with Rabbi Mintz
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- Опубликовано: 28 авг 2024
- Two weeks ago I spent Shabbos by a Chabad family. I asked innocently when the Lubavitcher Rebbe passed away? (June 12, 1994 btw). He hinted that he did not believe the Rebbe had died, but did not say his beliefs openly that he was still alive as to cause a hostility. In general, and this can happen many times and in different forms, how should one deal with these type of situations when he or she is confronted?
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Simple solution, show me any time the Rebbe ever said he was.
To have any understanding of these concepts like Moshiach, being alive, a Tzaddik, miracles, G-dly... One needs to get the context, the background of the deep wisdom of Chassidus.
Short point:
Chassidus started with the Baal Shem Tov, later, the Chabad school of Chassidus emerged with the Alter Rebbe.
It was and is, all a build up with a goal to bring moshiach and bring about the final and complete fusion of the reality of G-d with the Reality of the world. Of Physical and Spiritual. Heaven on Earth.
It's exactly this fusion of opposites, tradition teaches us, which is the ultimate purpose of creating the world in the first place.
O.K. not fools, unfortunates.
I learned some Rambam...,
According to the criteria he wrote, the only one in the world who can be Mashiach is indeed the Lubavitcher Rebbe.
And don't accuse us of arrogance to say that,
because we would have rather had him for ourselves..., now we have to share him with the entire world!!
But sharing with joy is what it's all about,
Ahavat Yisrael!
Ahavat Chinam.
@@flowerpuppeteer u fortunately not. He didn't bring about world peace or any of the other things tanach states clearly that comes with the moshiach.
I would be very comfortable saying he us the moshiach in that generation that we unfortunately didn't merit to have as moshiach. He certainly did more than anyone to get us closer to meriting and getting moshiach.
@@flowerpuppeteer p
@@flowerpuppeteer you're delusional brother. Get help.
This cult needs to be destroyed. Starting to even sound more Christian than Jewish. What a shame
The rebbe's brought us an amazing movement that I believe in. I think the Chabad has been amazing in specifically bringing lost Jews back to Torah.
Why can't you cultist be happy with the greatness of the Rebbe without having to attribute heresy???
@@goldengun9970 best answer anyone can give imo
Don't casually turn away the question by not giving it any validation, rather discuss the topic and look at what Torah has to say about this topic.
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It's so ironic
The rabbi gave 2 answers:
A. The best and the classic Jewish approach is dialogue.
B. If there's no point in dialogue then the next best thing is just don't talk about it.
Bow for the irony: the rabbi was referring to the host when he said "if he's not interested in dialogue"
But from the story there's no indication the host wasn't interested in dialogue. Quite the contrary the way the questioner stated his question it's quite clear he wasn't interested in dialogue!
Probably the host would have loved the chance to converse with you on the subject but the way the young man asked his question it's so obvious he has so much contempt for his host and his beliefs.
Why? Because it doesn't align with your beliefs? With so called reality? Don't you realize your beliefs don't align with most others beliefs and your beliefs don't align with most others perception of reality so why the contempt?
A little humility and discussion would make for better company.
Btw what was the point of the question? The question itself is so dumb and arrogant. What to do when I'm eating at a table with someone and I don't agree with their world view?
why do people need to feel nervous about telling people others when they are incorrect or mistaken? sometimes people are wrong - no matter their righteous intention.
if I see someone about to step on a nail, I will tell that person. that person may rationalize that they know the path they're on is righteous and G-d wills it. well, maybe me telling that person they are about to hurt their foot IS G-d protecting that person and keeping them on a righteous path?
we tell children they need to be open to correction when they are mistaken. as adults, are we now immune to the same lessons?
i was 3 years old i called him rebbe because i couldn't say rabbi
If he’s mentioning Talmudic discourse as being acceptable, why not mention that the Talmud clearly states that Moshiach can come from either the living or the “dead”? I place in quotes because the Torah also indicates many situations where although a great tzaddik experienced some type of passing, it was not the conventional loss of life which we associate with passing, but rather they exist and are in fact alive, yet in a more sublime and less revealed plane until the coming of Moshiach. For example, Yaakov Avinu, Rabbi Yehuda HaNasi, Eliyahu HaNavi, and others. Tanya explains that the highest tzaddikim have no need for the rectification of the grave since even their bodies are totally one with G-dliness. There are far too many sources to list here, but suffice to say that anyone who maintains that the Rebbe could not be Moshiach is ignorant. In order to proceed from acknowledging that he could be Moshiach in potential to comprehending that he is Moshiach in actuality one would need to study in depth both Rambam’s Hilchos Melachim chapters 11 and 12 as well as several of the pertinent sichos regarding Moshiach’s identity and activities from the Rebbe, the Nasi and Navi of our generation. A good place to start is Sichas Shoftim 5751.
Except he didn't do all of what is expected.
This whole our dead Rebbe is moshiach is nonsense and does nothing but brings shame upon the Rebbe and his predecessors. They didn't bring about this amazing movement just so a small group of schmucks could reenact what the early Christians were probably like.
You'll probably claim the real moshiach is a liar when he finally comes because he won't be the Rebbe.
Not every letvak accepts Chassidus such is our "double and redouble darkness"
You MUST read Rambam, Laws of Kings Chapt 11: the ONLY Jewish HALACHIK opinion on what are the criteria for Moshiach. There he says that EVERY JEW must believe in Moshiach and anticipate his arrival, Any Jew that doesn't denies the entire Torah. Judge for yourself if the Rebbe qualifies. If not... then what, or who, ARE you waiting for?
@2:10 - the moderator interjects that bit of sinas chinam that’s all too common these days. Learn and teach. Don’t create discord.
intro. You are the donkey. WHEN ONE LEARNS AND TEACHES IT WILL ALWAYS BE DIFFERENT FROM THE ''OTHERS''' who... like you.... call it discord or other lovely words. Try Duracell batteries to light up your path, obviously you closed to honesty truth and Torah with many levels of wisdom and knowledge
Daveed HaMelech - even in Torah there is machlokes. Once upon a time there wasn’t. But since the churban not everyone is able to see the whole Torah but only parts (machlokes from the word chelek). So long as the agenda is to understand the other person’s viewpoint; not to belittle or jest.
People look badly at Chabad for believing the Rebbe is still alive and that he is moshiach with out doing the research as to why Chabad believes that. Pure ignorance on there part.
Heyra770 they believe it because they’re brainwashed and they think the Rebbe, albeit was a very great person, was the greatest tzadik to ever live since moshe rabaynu. They also misconstrue the Rambam in malochim to say everything there is talking about the Rebbe. Going so far to make the utterly outlandish explanation that rebuilding the Beis Hamikdash means building 770!!
Heyra770 Rebbe is not Moshiach, all the Prophets and Kings of Hashem were greater than him, and Rebbe died and is buried...
well so why do some Chabadniks believe the Rebbe is still alive? I've heard reasons for why the Rebbe is Moshiach in the same way that Yehuda haNasi is Moshiach. however I have not gotten anywhere with research on why the Rebbe is still alive. what is a resource that you would recommend?
Mark Litak just forget about it
The Rebbe himself alluded to him being Moshiach in his many sichos and addresses. Also see Sanhedrin pp 97, 98, the Sdei Chemed, the Magen Avrom, etc.
The short version of the answer; ''That's a bad question, no no question. Ask only nice questions.''
IDK, this guy is avoiding the question, there was a big deasha a few years back in yavne of LA on shavuos night (by a litvishe Rav) and the topic was "can the rebbe be moshiach?" (It was a very interesting shiur)
And the maskana was that he could be..... So that coupled with the amazing things he accomplished seem to lean towards the fact that he is the moshiach, and ask lubavitcher he may have more reasons, but don't be a ignorant person for "ignorance is not an excuse"
SOMEGUY, thats your ignorance what that the litvish said. YOU someguy ARE WHAT YOU CALL OTHERS ''but don't be a ignorant person for "ignorance is not an excuse'' YOU SOMEGUY SAID HERE, ''SEEMED TO LEAN''' seemed according to you. not according to me. go back to Chabad. GET OUTTA HERE
The official line is not that the Rebbe is Moschiach. He was simply a guy who worked on making Moschiach come.
@@aliascummins8322 Mendel and Alias, let's both try not to refer to esteemed Rabbis as "guys," whether you agree with them or not. You certainly wouldn't refer to Acher as "some guy" even though he pushed himself as far away as possible.
@@sonofblessed I'll refer to whomever whosoever as I like. Maimonedes? A guy. Moeshe Rebbeinu? A guy. All men are mortal, there is no disrespect intended. Placing mortal people on a supernatural pedestal is what leads to avodah zarah in the first place :P
@@sonofblessed The Last Lubavitcher Rebbe was an AMAZING guy, who worked his ass off to make the world ready for Moschiach, but he was still a guy.
The Rebbe is the proclaimed Moses of the generation I think all can agree with that
Chas vshalom he is thousands of times greater then Moshe no?
I have great respect for the Rebbe. As a man of color who is a Jew. I have never been allowed to enter a Chabad Shul. When I tried to convert through Chabad I was told that I should accept the Noahide Laws. However, in every country there is Chabad. But blacks are not welcome.
As a black Jew I find it difficult to find a community. Is this the way of the Rebbe? I have a picture of the Rebbe in my pocket that I got in Israel. The Rebbe was before his time. We need a leader like him now. I can't even buy a suit from a fellow Jew. I can't buy shabbos shoes. Only in Israel. In the USA is not possible.
I believe there are black jews in Africa....Weren't there DNA links?
This is horrifying to hear. I am an Orthodox Jew and I am very sorry for this experience. I hope that you keep trying and find a place that will take you in and teach you how to become a Jew.
This is not true!!
I am not judging you and whether you converted properly or not but there are a number of black Jews I know personally in Crown Heights who enter and pray in 770 like everyone else!
Full members of the community.
I will welcome you with open arms to our Chabad House here in Auckland, New Zealand.
Why would they ever deny you entrance if you would prove your jewishness? That sounds really weird and not very jewish.
Do you think the posters proclaiming the Rebbe as melech Moshiach in the shul at 770 should be there?
Absolutely 💯
A rabbi who speaks not to cause controversy, and in the process of disqualifying and canceling a different opinion from him, a rabbi who desecrates the name of God. Even though I am not in favor of proclaiming yechi adoneinu...you are A rabbi who has a lot of hatred that he forbids his students not to talk to someone who thinks differently
Shame on you! How dare you claim that this Rabbi has "a lot of hatred" because he recommended his student not to argue in one specific situation because it could bear no fruit!
@@leorYJackanory He said not to talk to another Jew, that is to boycott him, do not misrepresent
This rav is saying the complete opposite of what you just claimed. Learn how to listen
@@cooldude70-13 How can I listen to someone who boycotts me, he doesn't want me to listen, it means delegitimization, simple, explain that to him
@@Mmlip358 moron
What does a Lutvak understand about Mosheach
Shame that there is so much hate
The answer to this is study of Tanach. Tell them to drop the idea of a Messiah as they know it, and start over by showing them verses in the prophets that clearly lay out what the future King of Israel is supposed to do, and the result. By studying from the source without pre-conceptions, they will then read the Rambam, and understand the words of the sages on the matter without creating a bubble of pre-conception around the text. If a person is certain that their past Rebbe is the King of Israel referenced in Tanach, the certainty that they have is unfortunately misguided, because nobody can be certain who the Messiah will be. Therefore, by asserting that a person's past Rebbe, or Rabbi is the Messiah, it is disrespectful if they are not correct, to the Creator, who is the one who chooses the Messiah at the right time. The people who are adamant that they are correct need to study more Tanach, and open up to the possibility that the Messiah could be someone else, who the Creator will choose in the right time, under the right circumstances.
Not true in Tammy it brings that all schools thought that their rebbe was moshiach so to belive your rebbe is moshiach is not more and not wrong in this case the rebbe also meats all the requirements that the Rambam writes.
Very weak answer!
The rebbe is alive and is moshiach!
Check if his tomb is empty or not.
Snags can’t accept
I'm sure he is buried...
Santa is Jesus to.. 😆
@@sageboo1 be careful , to speak like that , you are playing with fire 🔥
What kind of answer is it? Where is the emes
The Rebbe simply is the culminating Rebbe/leader who's stated goal, in his first address as the Lubavitcher Rebbe, was and still is, to bring all that deep wisdom and Spiritual reality down "to earth" to actualize this long process and see to it's completion, aka the era of the Moshiach.
One cannot understand these ideas or claim an opinion without seeing the bigger picture, the broader context of this all that the writings of Chassidus give you, to understand the history and development as well as background of these ideas.
In the kabbalistic tradition, there are what is known as seven sefirot, stages in the flow of the life force and energy flowing from Above to earth.
The Seventh one is called Malchus, which literally means Kingship.
The concept of "Kingship", the Rebbes writings teach, is that Kingship embodies the culmination where all the developing stages (From the will, to the idea, to the understanding, to the feeling, to the communication) are actuallized. It is where it is all realized and comes, all the way from an abstract idea, to tangible fruition.
In context of what was written, this is the Geulah. The same redemption mankind, and G-d himself for that matter (as revealed in Torah) has been working towards, yearning for, since the very beginning of time...
I assure you, as someone who has studied and continues to study Chassidus almost daily, that when you open some works of Chassidic thought, known as Maamorim, and Sichot, and study them at your pace, you will begin to slowly see the context of all this, as illustarated briefly above, and the dots will start to connect.
But don't take my word for it. See for yourself. Face "the Book".
This idea of the Seventh reflects in the fact that the Rebbe is the Seventh generation Rebbe, in line from Chabad's Founder.
The paradigm of 7 sefirot is reflected and embodied in the seven Chabad Rebbes.
Again don't take my word for it. Study the writings of Chassidus before you assert conclusions.
why not start with mesechet taanis 5b yaakov avinu lo meis ? rashi says he appeared to have died they reasoned that he died, but he was still alive nevertheless. the gemara proves it by the verse in the torah which says he expired but not that he died. all of this can be discussed civily like any other subject in Judaism-- the Torah is the truth--even if it belies what our eyes see. Believing is seeing.
They wouldn't have buried him if he didn't die.
i told Egypt Rome Jerusalem earth belongs to me Adam
Chabad is an amazing movement. Single handedly saving AM Yisrael with every assimilated and uneducated Jew they bring back to Torah.
Why shame the line of Rebbe's who brought thea amazing ideas and movement? Why can't these cultists be glad with the amazing work that was done without attributing heresy?
A "litvak" once expressed to me his disbelief in the Rebbe as Mashiach which led me to show him his disbelief in Mashiach at all..!!
His claim was: The Rebbe never said he is Mashiach.
I showed him that he clearly did in fact indicate very clearly that he is.
His reply was that if he did in fact indicate that then he was clearly a "Baal Gaava" and as such could never be the Mashiach!
I said to him "fool, according to your twisted logic, no one can ever be the Mashiach because:
1.He never claimed to be. Mashiach!
2. If he did then he is a
"Baal Gaava" and cannot be Mashiach!
Fools!! Wake up!
Rather than calling everyone fools, maybe you should realise that Mashiach won't need to claim he is Mashiach, rather Eliyahu Hanavi will.
Learn some Rambam and see that the Rebbe cannot be Mashiach.
And remove some Gaava in the process, just because you think you're right doesn't mean you can call other people "fools".
The indication comes from what people want to believe. He has never stated that he is Mashiach.
@@leorYJackanory
O.K. not fools, unfortunates.
I learned some Rambam...,
According to the criteria he wrote, the only one in the world who can be Mashiach is indeed the Lubavitcher Rebbe.
And don't accuse us of arrogance to say that,
because we would have rather had him for ourselves..., now we have to share him with the entire world!!
But sharing with joy is what it's all about,
Ahavat Yisrael!
Ahavat Chinam.
@@flowerpuppeteer With all due respect, I completely disagree with you, but it's pointless to argue.
I'll just make this point because it's obvious, but often overlooked:
It doesn't matter who the Mashiach is, at the end of the day Hashem has a plan and whether it is the Rebbe or someone else it doesn't change anything. The destination is olam haba not Mashiach.
There is no benefit in claiming the Rebbe Z"L is Mashiach (other than gaava that chabadnikim have to "show off" that the Rebbe from their offshoot of chassidut is the Mashiach), there are only downsides to claiming the Rebbe Z"L is Mashiach.
Also if he Rebbe is Mashiach then good, but if he isn't then the people that got it wrong will pay a heavy price for nothing.
If you want proof that he isn't, and that a select few chabadnikim twist Hilchot Melachim in a deranged fashion, I can show you the proof if you would like. But again, for now I'll try to leave the discussion with my main point that in the end it doesn't matter who he is.
@@leorYJackanory You say it's pointless to argue then continue arguing.
Your main point is based on your own misguided education or self education....
To say it doesn't matter who Mashiach will be is nonsense!!
The Rambam writes his final two chapters exactly to prevent claims such as yours.
The whole point of chapters 11 and 12 of Kings and wars is to give us the ability to identify Mashiach when he appears.
And also not to fall into the pit of fear to identify Mashiach, due to false Mashiachs in the past...
This is why he brings an example from Rabbi Akiva and Bar Kochva even though it turned out not to be the Moshiach in the end.., that's the lesson you have missed,
put all your preconceived notions aside.
If he meets the Torah criteria then we are sure he is the Mashiach and must believe and announce him as such.
@@flowerpuppeteer wanted to avoid a long discussion, which is why I didn't want to get into Rambam, but B"H I already argued it out with another guy, scroll down and see what I have to say about your favourite Rambam. (It's a long chain of comments)
To add:
It really doesn't matter who Mashiach is, the need for criteria on who Mashiach is exists so that we avoid fake Mashiachs or even fake claims such as with the Rebbe ZTz"L
Obviously when the Mashiach comes most level headed people will use real Da'at Torah to ascertain that Mashiach is Mashiach, rather than the distorted Chabad version of Hilchot Melachim.
and in essence the "rabbi's" advice is not inline with a free choice/בחירה חופשית - or freedom of speech... rather "filtering" which topics people should talk about is like north korea not giving their people access to information that might "break up the cult"... because judaism is based on free choice - and not on indoctrination or communism - avoiding a topic is against jewish practice as the rabbi sort of said...
100% agreeable but theres another problem with ravs answer is i'm not sure whether this bochur or this rav has sat down and learned chassidus chabad or tanya or rambam inyei hageula moshiach he may have not heard stories or sichos from the rebbe M"HM and if you go and research certain sichos mammarim gemara rambam etc etc and this
is where we can get research and proof that rebbe is indeed in fact MH"M. I understand the inyanim of certain people but this bochur and this rav should do a little more research into there points are valid but theres much more research that should be done go to a posek another rav and ask this shailah just dont go to one rav and find out do as much research as you can. LEARN AND ASK QUESTIONS BEFORE YOU GET ANSWERS
LONG LIVE OUR MASTER TEACHER REBBE KING MOSHIACH FOREVER AND EVER!
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More important things to discuss. Such a waste of time.
Weak answer
Heyra770 is the Rebbe in a cave like Rashbi and his son?
No….DON’T generalize the question. Answer it.
the answer was pretty simple... Do not engage in those kind of conversation since they are not going to take us anywhere.
You should always confront them with the truth for the sake of Allah.
Shalom shem HaMoshiach Ben YHWH 🕊🌬💖
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"Regarding your question concerning the future of the Jews: They certainly have, as explicitly stated by the Master, a great spiritual destiny, and will gradually enter the Faith in large groups."
(From a letter written on behalf of Shoghi Effendi to an individual believer, November 13, 1937, Lights of Guidance, no. 1681)
...they (Jews) will be gradually led to embrace the Faith which, indeed, constitutes the only means of salvation to their race."
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YOURE JUST ANOTHER WACKO CULT. GO TIPTOE THROUGH THE TULIPS YOU WACKO NUT JOB.
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Inconclusive video.
Stick to cars.
These videos are boring