“Could the Chabad Rebbe be Moshiach?”
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- Опубликовано: 21 май 2023
- Rabbi Dr. Yitzchak Breitowitz, a senior lecturer at the Ohr Sameyach Yeshiva in Jerusalem, was asked whether the Chabad Rebbe can be Moshiach. Here’s what he answered.
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This amazing Rabbi is always so balanced and fair-minded. I love his intellectual integrity.
This was said so well!
Thank you rabbi
Very diplomatic.
He's got a keen intellect and a very good rapport, the Sephardic ones I see are pretty low brow in comparison.
I know a Rosh Yeshiva in Yerusalayim who was one of the pioneers in Kiruv and he told me he had asked the Rebbe whether he was the Mashiach. The Rebbe banged the table and said ‘Chos V’Shalom’. I am not naming the Rosh Yeshiva as he told me in a private conversation etc.
I heard the opposite. I heard that a certain chasid asked the Rebbe to reveal himself as the Mashiach, and he responded by telling him that he recieved no such order from above.
In other words, I believe the Rebbe did know for a fact that he was Mashiach, but, like in previous generations, we were not zocheh. Compound that with the idea that the Rebbe stressed an urgency to talk about Mashiach and geulah, it would be safe to assume that was the case because the Rebbe was living the idea of Geulah as opposed to it just being theoretical.
I am just quoting what I was told by a well known Rosh Yeshiva. I don't want to get involved in the arguments either way as I am not well versed enough in the topic of Moshiach etc. @@uriel7203
Nu? Mai nafka minah?
"I can't name names" credibility? Zero!!!
@@Bulvan123 I can't name who it was because it was a private conversation. I will ask him if he minds.
What is the name of the city and sanctuary that will be destroyed when the Messiah is cut off?
Daniel 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
Jerusalem
there's a new sefer coming out very soon with all rabanim agreeing , that it can be from the death
BH Rabbi Breitowitz is a true tzadik and big talmid Chochom. He was one of the Litvishe Rebonim that gave a Haskama to Kuntres Shmoi Shel Moshiach. Belief Moshiach can be someone that died has become much more mainstream. Here is another short video of a Litvishe Talmid Chochom saying Rambam didn't rule out Moshiach from the dead l'halacha ruclips.net/video/-pXVMlQrXz0/видео.html
R Breitowitz is a bright fellow but he's not one of the gedolei hador. Practically all the gedolim were against the Rebbe's views or viewed them with great suspicion, which as we all see, proved accurate
@@rationalistssj6540 you sound Brain washed. As that is blatantly false. Fact is Lubavitch is in the vanguard of kiruv worldwide. Others are jealous of their success and therefore invent taanos. Ie sina machmas kina
Why did He used to give out dollars?
To be different than other Rabbis who take dollars. He would give dollars.
@@howdymo232no. It was used for the person to give to charity after they received advice or a blessing
Do you not see the signs of God?
For i am young becoming old;who will be the first to accept when the whole world doesn’t?
This conversation is the perfect example of going for ones initial(or otherwise) understanding of a string of words written in a book over ever attempting to understand the context, intent, and source of the words. Lets start with the obvious context: Obviously we all believe in resurrection. We believe g-d surely has the ability to resurrect anyone whenever he wants, that he has done so during the times of tanach and gemara and that he will in the end of days. That shouldnt be controversial. Those that will resurrect will have had limbs blown off, will have died of all kinds of diseases and will have been murdered. How the person died in a technical sense obviously doesnt get in the way of g-ds ability to resurrect them. Now, those saying well you can come back from the dead to be moshiach if you died naturally but not if you were killed has no reasonable explanation. Those saying the diuk of "killed" without realizing it are repeating an answer under a certain context. The context is for those who wish to say that someone who is no longer alive is CONTINUING the actions of moshiach. For that very specific context it makes more sense to make this distinction because one of the criteria of moshiach is to defeat others in war "karkar kol bnei sheis", if someone is killed there can be no stronger siman than this that his actions are the opposite of what we desire for moshiach. Here saying someone died naturally dodges one out of this issue. For he wasnt defeated by anyone. There remains a practical issue of how a dead man can continue his actions(for this people give various answers like shluchim) but at least there isnt a direct contradiction to a pasuk. This diuk however has absolutely no sense to be applied to if a person is killed in his every day life, say, 200 years ago and you believe its techincally possible g-d could resurrect him from the dead and make him then start these actions at THAT time. And herein lies the answer to what the rambam is talking about in the first place. The context of the rambam for anyone who knows how to actually read normally is not discussing who is ALLOWED or eternally disallowed to become the moshiach at any given time. The context is of someone who is already presumed to have started the process, that should he have been killed or not succeed he obviously had not been designated as moshiach and all the actions which gave you a reason to think he was moshiach in the first place were not really as moshiach but as a kosher king helping klal yisrol. It's rather obvious he is speaking about someone who started actions consistent with the prophecies previously mentioned, otherwise the later line that this person who didnt succeed "only arose in order to test the multitudes" makes no sense. What is a test of the multitudes when a random unknown tzadik in the back of your shul gets killed by a burglar? obviously we are not speaking of any death or murder but one on a person who proceeded to do actions and failed. And all we are saying here is that the presumption that he was moshiach is now batul. its unfounded now. This is an entirely different question than whether this man will be chosen in 200 years to actually do the process for real. Rambam obviously isnt addressing this question as its so speculative. At that point you have no reason to think the guy should be moshiach over anybody else(especially as iyov says "Will a dead man live?" and the presumption min hateva is that when someone dies he wont randomly resurrect). Furthermore its obvious the rambam isnt paskening on the question of if moshiach can come back from the dead or not because he already said about questions in gemara that make no practical halachic difference in action which were a machlokes in the gemara that he does not pasken on such questions. Once somebody knows this they realize it makes no sense to say the rambam wanted to get into this issue at all.
I know the mechaber of that sefer and he agrees with me regarding what i just stated.
This point is also brought by R volpo
The simple technical reason why Moshiach cannot be someone who was resurrected, is because למתים חפשי. A resurrected person will no longer keep mitzvos, because he is no longer obligated. His עולם העבודה is completed. His resurrected existence is into the עולם השכר. Thus, he will be unable to become qualified in the most basic sense to be even בחזקת משיח.
@@mordechaiperlman2283 you are completely wrong. See Kesubos 103a gilion haShas quote the Rishon Reb Yehuda haChasid that tzadikim after they die are considered alive and Chayav in mitzvos. That's why Rebbi was able to make Kiddush after he died.... Also see Kuntres Shmoi Shel Moshiach
@@mordechaiperlman2283 Well that is easily refutable. Please see sefer chassidim on kesubos 103a that rabbeinu hakodosh would come and be motzei his family with kiddush on shabbos and one who is not obligated cannot be motzei someone else. Likewise look into mitzvos buttlas lasid lavo and the discussion of tzaddikim coming early to serve in the beis hamikdash. Obviously he would not resurrect into the olam haschar because that would be after the coming of moshiach(40 years later) he would resurrect prior as obviously he must redeem us from the current world we inhabit.
The Gemora does say Moshiach can be from the dead.
You're misreading the Gemmorah. It's speaking of attributes of Moshiach using examples of people no longer alive
@@barrys.1839 thats one interpretation. Rashi's second one. Rashi's first explanation is that it means someone from the dead. The abarbanel says the same. It's really silly to deny sources that some jews thought this was possible at some time. The debate is if one can still believe this after certain halachos were accepted.
@@user-yo6jr6ym5l why did nobody make such a claim until the REBBE died?
No Barry. Rashi sheeta is they are pointing a finger at their Rav and saying he is fit to be Moshiach. Rashi d'h Menachem. See Kuntres Shmoi Shel Moshiach
Both Rashi interpretation show Moshiach could come from the dead. I saw that book Kuntres Shmoi Shel Moshiach. It's excellent!
Elijah the Prophet didn’t die.. he more of a behind the scenes guy.
Seems we need a King who is here now!
How will the people summit to such person?some would be defensive. They wait for moshiach but despise everyone who claims it. Even despising the messiah
kevod harav the rambam says only if he was killed and so does the abarbanel write that moshiach min hameiaim and that you should not ask on it...
and plus if you realy want i can give you a full shiur on the fact that the rebbe is still alive and how the rebbe sayd himself...
You are an apikores. You're also insane. If he himself said so, he too was an apikores.
😅
He is right in that most do not hold Moshaich can be from the dead. The reason someone who has passed away can not be Moshiach is because Moshiach has to work with the generation which leads up to the Geula. Rambam speaks of the criteria of Chezkas Moshiach as someone who compels the generation to walk in the ways of the Torah, etc. and then continues on to Vadai Moshiach criteria.
So, according to the Rambam, and many others, it can not be Dovid Hamelech etc., who is from the past.
Would that restriction apply to someone who did work with the generation prior to the Geula?
No, the reason is because the Moshiach shouldn't require any extra steps. See Mishnah torah melachim 11:3-4
The abarbanel clearly says moshiach will have techias hamaisim
How do you know what the reason is for why Moshiach cannot be from the dead?
Let us posit that we do not know the reason. But, as the Rambam points out, there is a precedent. Bar Kochba died and that is how we know definitely that he was not Moshiach. Therefore, precedent, even without totally understanding the reason, teaches us that a dead man does not qualify, whether he died almost 2000 years ago, or 29 years ago. And if we are going to suggest that a dead man does qualify, a case could be made for Dovid HaMelech, Moshe Rabbeinu, Avrohom Ovinu, or Chizkiyahu HaMelech.
@@jacobsolomon427 And he is the only one who says it clearly. From a single opinion, the Mesorah is not formed.
@Mr Fish דג (The Unexpected) Once the soul has come to this world, it becomes subject to time. And that does not change even after death of the body. Therefore, souls of the wicked suffer torment a maximum of 12 months. If time was irrelevant, this Talmudic statement would make no sense. The soul ascends from level to level, every year ascending higher. Again, if the soul were not subject to time, this would make no sense.
God dammit, that dude was really their Jesus 😊
Never use the CREATORS NAME IN VAIN
better to be blessed then cursed
Rambam says once someone is "Murdered" he ain't coming back
But if someone passed naturally he could come back,based on Zohor,Gemara, Abarbenel Sidei Chemed, etc
No because Dovid hamelech and others who died also can't become Moshiach.
וְאִם לֹא הִצְלִיחַ עַד כֹּה, אוֹ נֶהֱרָג, בְּיָדוּעַ שֶׁאֵינוֹ זֶה שֶׁהִבְטִיחָה עָלָיו תּוֹרָה, וַהֲרֵי הוּא כְּכָל מַלְכֵי בֵּית דָּוִד הַשְּׁלֵמִים הַכְּשֵׁרִים שֶׁמֵּתוּ.
@@arihaviv8510 correct
@@arihaviv8510 since when is killed the same as died? Furthermore Rambam is talking about someone that is Bchezkas Moshiach. That he then loses his halachic status. Rambam is not ruling out Moshiach coming from the dead and then fulfilling the simanim... Sew Kuntres Shmoi Shel Moshiach. It's a English book and free download
@@rationalistssj6540 correct? No explanation? Are you even conversant in the relevant sources or just like to cheer for the home team?
@@notavailable1961 The Rambam's words, quoted above, are straightforward: . הֲרֵי הוּא כְּכָל מַלְכֵי בֵּית דָּוִד הַשְּׁלֵמִים הַכְּשֵׁרִים שֶׁמֵּתוּ.
There is no need for any explanation; and in any case, no explanation will suffice for those who wish to twist and distort his words.
Thank you! Always wondered if there really is a source saying moshiach can come from the dead
הרמב"ם כותב שאם הוא נהרג הוא לא יכול להיות משיח. הרמב"ם לא כתב "אם הוא מת". הרבי לא נהרג
Not a halachic source
Kuntres Shmoi Shel Moshiach shows Moshiach can come back from the dead. And that Rambam didn't rule out Moshiach coming from the dead. It's a free download
Yes many sources. Also mentioned to see the book in English called Kuntres Shmoi Shel Moshiach.
@@no_relation2me13 That book is an insideous Chabad propaganda piece that ostansibly was penned by a dispassionate person; an attempt to lend validity to Chabad's heretical views, which have been refuted and dismissed by all the gedolim
Long live rebbe king moshiac forever and ever
Okay... how about the people who bow down to the Rebbe's chair at Crown Heights?
Who?
No one does this. Don't make stuff up
@@cooldude70-13 Are you sure? ruclips.net/video/-vQLvsfAMX0/видео.html&pp=ygUWY2hhYmFkIHJlYmJlIG1vc2NoaWFjaA%3D%3D
@@cb1623 ruclips.net/video/-vQLvsfAMX0/видео.html&pp=ygUWY2hhYmFkIHJlYmJlIG1vc2NoaWFjaA%3D%3D
@@cooldude70-13 they walk by his chair holding a cup & wish him L'Chaim. There are videos of that.
Rashi in daniel 12 12 brings down the Midrash that there can be a second coming. Moshiach will come and then will hide for 45 years.
How would you read this sentence; ''The wind from the south will blow and it will not stop until...''
What about this one; ''The water was filling this creek and it was the source for the whole village until...''
And this one; ''The earth was shaking and the mountains went out of their place until...''
Do you notice the pattern here? All three point to a stopping of a certain process that will be conditioned by some other event that will occur in the future, OK?
So what do you do with the ''elephant'' in the next sentence; ''The scepter will not depart from Judah, neither will the law between his feet, UNTIL Shiloh comes.''?
Wait, don't tell me. I already know. You ignore it completely. Why? What's the problem? Are your eyes deceiving you? Ignoring the context of the sentence, like Christians do?
Severe case of cognitive dissonance or just plain denying it? I would guess both.
SHALOM RABBI....MAYBE YOU GO AND TELL RABBI WOLF, LET'S SEE WHAT HE THINKS ABOUT YOUR STATEMENT...HONESTLY YOU ALL NEED TO GET TOGETHER AND FIGURE IT OUT, IF YOU KEEP TALKING DIFFERENT, YOU WILL NEVER GET THE FACTS STRAIGHT OR ACCOMPLISH THE ULTIMATE GOAL. WITH ALL RESPECT, I DO BELIEVE MANY RABBI'S AROUND THE WORLD NEED TO LISTEN MORE TO RABBI WOLF, HE DOES HAVE A GOOD GRASP OF TORAH AND MOSHIACH, BLESSINGS.
I've seen Rabbi Manis Friedman scapegoat Lubavitcher Rebbe's spirit in astral realm. He said he just wanted to show he could get above him.
Focus less on moshiach and more on the plan. Bring holyness to earth. Be the light to the nations to be holy. The moshiach is a tool for what almighty is going to do. He just a chapter title to check off what his chosen has accomplished.
Great point. I would suggest a great Sefer on this topic: משיחי השקר ומתנגדיהם, by Rabbi Binyomin Shlomo Hamburger of Machon Moreshes Ashkenaz. The Sar HaTorah, HaRav Chaim Kanievsky zt"l, considered the Sefer worth reading.
@@mordechaiperlman2283 Reb Chaim did not read the sefer and was unfortunately (and routinely) manipulated and tricked into giving any type of approval for that "sefer" in any event hamburgers misrepresentation of sources has been completely refuted and debunked in Kuntres Shmoi Shel Moshiach and many other sefarim
He was an amazing man…yes I respect him and love watching videos of him…however…he is NOT Moshiach.
You must be a prophet !
@@cb1623 I am definitely not… the Rebbe died In 1994, he died before meeting the requirements.
The only real kadosh Yisra'EL sar shalom, Ben Ahadam is 𐤉𐤄𐤅𐤔𐤏 ben 𐤉𐤄𐤅𐤄 the Real Tzadiq, Malki-tzedek!! Melech melakhim Adon adonim...
People should stay away from Avoda Zarah. Whether it's Litvish, Chasidish, or Sephardi rabbi worship. And yes, I've witnessed all three.
Sad how they turned chalav stam into avoda Zara with regards to DS cows. O and an avoda Zara with the electric shaver as it's very important not to press too hard. Oy but how hard is too hard?
He forgot to quote Daniel 12:12…Moshiach will be concealed after he is revealed and then revealed again. The Rebbe is Melech HaMoshiach.
As I knew in 2002, M.M. Schneerson was/is not Moshiach. People who believe in his "Second Coming" are like the Christians concerning Jesus Christ. Maimonides in his Twelfth Article of Faith is clear what the qualifications are for the Righteous Redeemer מָשִׁיחַ.
Actually, he explicitly negated exactly what you are saying. Maybe actually listen to the video.
They are mistaken, just like those who decide to be like Shamai when we should be like Hillel...but they shouldn't be considered like christians
Xstrians believe that yeshu is part of the trinity, that there is a new convenent that negates torah and mitzvos. They worship a man. Chabad doesn't do any of these things.
Nothing is written about the qualifications of moshiach in the 12th article of faith of the rambam. Those are to be found in hilchos melachim chapter 11 and 12. Again, as the rav already pointed out, having something in common with christianity doesnt make it wrong. The christians also believe moshe took the jews out of egypt. Should we abandon that because they also believe it? the only relevant question is if we have sources in our own tradition for this. Who else ALSO believes it is of no relevance. When a rav makes a psak on hilchos basar vcholov he doesnt run over to the nearest church and look and see what the christians are doing. he consults shulchan aruch
@@user-yo6jr6ym5lBELIEVE THE CHRISTIANS!!! We believe in the GOD OF ISRAEL AND WORSHIP ONLY HIM! You lack humility and think that Messiah wouldn't reveal Himself to a gentile, but that's NOT TRUE! The prophets WROTE ABOUT HIM! I can see Yeshua and THE HOLY SPIRIT IN THE OT ALONG WITH GOD THE FATHER, why can't you? You're intellectualizing that which is SPIRITUAL! GOD IS SPIRIT AND WE MUST WORSHIP HIM IN SPIRIT! No Jewish ritual or Catholic ritual will reveal the King of Kings! It's a personal relationship with Him like Moses had, like Abraham had, as Jacob had like ALL THE PATRIARCHS HAD. David had an AMAZING relationship with God and God called him a man after His own heart. YESHUA WILL RETURN, SET UP HIS KINGDOM ON THIS EARTH, AND SIT ON THE THRONE OF DAVID! I notice you all like to debate the scriptures more than you want to understand them. We DO NOT READ ANY BOOKS OUTSIDE OF THE BIBLE AS GOD'S DIVINE WORD! You Shouldn't either. We can get a history that proves things in the Bible through writings from scholars and historians/Chroniclers but God gave us all of that in the scriptures. It's been helpful for archeologists to pinpoint ancient synagogues and towns buried over the Melinia but we follow scripture only and we DO NOT LISTEN TO ANY FALSE PROPHET bc after Jesus came there is no more need for prophets. God revealed everything He wants us to know through HIS SON JESUS CHRIST WHO IS MESSIAH! Open your heart, not your mind to Him.
He was the greatest CEO ever, but definitely NOT Moshiach.
You know, right?
This Rabi does not know rashi in Daniel 12-12 and the midrash that rashi brings down.
I call this bad teaching, Jews have many claimed to be moshiach who where false one's.
Catholics don't have quite right, Christians Moshiach is Here!. People don't understand about end times, that is major problem of understanding about end times.
If Jesus is dead where is his Body? No Christians ever looked for the Body of Jesus.
Chabad is Christianity without the justification.
The rebbe himself wrote that one who physicaly died can not be hallachicly moshiach. He wrote in a footnote in lekkutei sichos vol. 35 page 206, that Dovid hamelech can not be be moshiach because he died. He therefore explains that the gemara that says that dovid is moshiach must mean that the NESHAMA of dovid will be enclothed in moshiach. We NEVER find the rebbe refer to his father in law using the terminology 'alive in a physical body' or 'MELECH hamoshiach' rather only as 'moshiach of the generation'. In his footnote to the phrase 'vhu yigaleinu', the rebbe refers to the bamidbar rabah that states that moshe will lead HIS generation to the geulah, but NOT actually as melech hamoshiach.
The Rebbe is alive and well in 770
@@yitzchokmarks119 apikoros and Rasha
@@MichaelAbJ מה קשר??
You are incorrect. Reb Yoel explained in Berel Levin kovetz geula u'moshiach chelek bais that the Rebbe said Dovid HaMelech can't be Moshiach due to a technicality of the relevant posuk. Rebbe Yoel said the Rebbe meant it k'peshutoi the freidiker Rebbe is Moshiach after he passed away and that it's not a contradiction with Rambam...
@@MichaelAbJ I disagree. He is merely deranged. He has lost his mind.
ראה שמות ה, כ. במדבר י"א, ב. רות ה ו.
רבינו בחיי שמות ה, כ"ב בסופו. שיר השירים רבה פ"ד וברמב"ן. רות רבה פ"ה. תורת משה שמות ה, כב. ראה אור החמה על הזוהר שמות ז, ב. ויקהל ריב, א. ספר הגלגולים פי"ג. ראה גם המשך "בשעה שהקדימו" תער"ב חלק א' ע' תיט-כ. ועוד.
לקוטי שיחות ח"ט עמוד 105 הערה 74 בשולי הגליון.
What do these sources state?
Nothing in these sources have any connection with this discussion
Well what do they say?
@@rationalistssj6540 why not? Explain
@@rationalistssj6540 what do the sources say?
Most litvash gedolim do not agree with this approach about this topic. That's pretty factual
Neither was it a lubobitch approach until 1994.
Did you do a census?
Check out the Litvishe Haskamos to Kuntres Shmoi Shel Moshiach. All of Chazal hold Moshiach can come from the dead. Rambam also didn't rule out that scenario either
@@notavailable1961 it's a pretty well known fact that majority of litvash gedolim were united behind rav shachs leadership. (There are conflicting stories as to what reb moshe actually held) that the lubavitcher was not a gadol and with all the good that the movement is doing there is way to krumkite . One could highlight the few rashei Yeshiva that didn't but they are miut shebamiut
@@BT-nl4yg Rav shach said it is a Torah prohibition to trim ones beard or shave...
Obviously God doesn't live in this world. I'm not talking about Creation I'm talking about the world the Builder's made. IN GOD WE TRUST? You're joking right? In all of God's creation you won't find a single penny. Some say once this world is perfected then G_D will come live in it. One said I'm not of this world. If you're waiting for somebody or the GOVERNMENT to come save you then you're in for a rude awakening. In all of Creation only Man perceives himself as naked. That's because he's disconnected from the rest of Creation and finds himself lost and alone. The only way he can know his Creator is to make his way back to the Garden but those pesky Cherubim with the flaming swords that turn every which way prevent the return of the impure.
Jesus wasn't born to save you Jesus was born to show us how to overcome the death that came in the beginning. You can believe whatever you want to believe, you can wait till the cows to come home for your hero to arrive or you could stand up on your own two feet and do for yourself what you should have been doing all along. God already knows all your thoughts and what kind of person you are.
Zechariah 9:9
Isaiah 53
Malachi 3:1
Numbers 24:17,19
Psalms 16
Deuteronomy 18:17
These are all prophecies of messiah
Messiah has to be a descendant of king David also the messiah has to be sinless.
As good a man as the rebbe could’ve been. There’s no way in 1 million years that he could’ve ever been Messiah. This is the problem with rabbinical Judaism as nice as it seems, it’s actually against God’s word, and it has created material traditions for no reason and God is not about material he’s about spirit follow the one and only true king Messiah Yeshua King Moshiach 👑❤️✝️
@@user-nt5uq1nv9r yes he’s not the father he is the only begotten Son the messiah that came to die for our sins alll of ours because we broke all the laws of Moses. Since. We couldn’t keep them we needed an ultimate sacrifice instead of killing the perfect lamb like they did before the last and Ultimate Lamb of God came to save us from eternal damnation.
Not one of those sources have anything remotely to do with Jesus. Of course, I dont beleive the rebbe is Messiah either, but it certainly cant be J who was a terrible sinner and fulfilled none of the criteria for being Moshiach. He did not descend from David, did not lead the Jews to Israel, certainly did not bring peace to the world, and so on
@@immanuelesimonelli Jesus is God.
@@andrew.c123 amen brother ❤️✝️🙏
@@rationalistssj6540 I’m sorry you don’t see the proof but you will see when he comes for you…. You’ll see. He is waiting for you before it’s too late.
No he was the Messiah of his time the moshiach is the Messianic Messiah.
Sorry, but even tho the Rebbe was a Great Tzadik, frol the Gdole Hador, he wasn't a potential Mashiach. The Rambam gave clear conditions for this and the Rebbe didn't fulfill many of them (being a political leader, fighting Israel's wars, gathering the exiles...)
1. there are two ways someone can be a potential moshiach. One is that they are holy and from the seed of king david and when the time comes g-d will make them the moshiach. Another meaning is that he started doing things which indicate he is the messiah at that very moment and started his mission and potentially this will be fulfilled in its entirety. Denying the second doesnt deny the first. But regarding even the second, you are reading lines of rambam uncritically without knowing the background of the sources or even the lubavitcher rebbes treatment on the subject. start there. Political leader? vague term and not one used by the rambam.
He certainly could not have been Moshiach, as you say based on Rambam. He was also completely disconnected from any of the other gedolim of his day, and mainly showered respect on the non religous Israeli political leaders
The Rebbe fits the Rambam criteria for Chezkas Moshiach. See the sefer Yechi HaMelech HaMoshiach. With haskamos from gedolie Yisroel
No he does not, since he did not fight wars or lead the Jewish people to Israel, and so on. The Rambam would be the first to denounce him. The whole issue is rediculous; none of the great gedolim litvish or chassidish of our era even commented about his candidacy bc they didnt see any reason to believe he was moshiach. Once he didn;t fulfill the criteria whatsoever, there were many even in out times who just as well could have been candidates. Which 'gedolei yisrael' gave a haskamah on this book?
@Accounting Dept Hezkat Mashiach includes fighting is Israel's wars and reinging as a king. The Rebbe didn't participate in any of Israel's wars and didn't reing.
Any attempt to say "he prayed for us in the war" or "he was a king" is wrong. We aren't Christians these halachot are literal.
The only real kadosh Yisra'EL sar shalom, Ben Ahadam is 𐤉𐤄𐤅𐤔𐤏 ben 𐤉𐤄𐤅𐤄 the Real Tzadiq, Malki-tzedek!! Melech melakhim Adon adonim...
christianity worships yashke as G-d and this isn't Judaism. There is only One G-d.
1. Having things in common with christianity doesnt make it not jewish. They also believe in the 10 commands and in the existence of moshe rabbeinu. Are we to abandon that too because we have it in common? 2. Nobody said anything about worshipping anyone. The question is can the messiah be someone who resurrects instead of who is alive. Nobody said anything here about him being g-d which he obviously is not.
@@user-yo6jr6ym5l Many of your Chabad colleagues did and do diefy him. This among other reasons is why Chabad is almost completely isolated and alianated from mainstream yiddishkeit
You don't understand yiddishkeit or notzrikeit.
Another false messiah
The Messiah has already come, the books of Moses, Psalms and the prophets speak of Him - you have to deny God's Words not to believe this. He came as a Jew as promised, but not to save them only, no He is Saviour of all the nations of the world - as prophesied. His name is Jesus, born in Bethlehem, lived in Nazareth. You had better believe this - go read and believe God, not man - your life depends on your decision.
How pathetic! Christians are the ones who believe a Jewish man is a God! And Jesus was a grave sinner and bastard at that, whom the entire nation rejected during his lifetime. Every child knows he couldn'tbe the Messiah as he did not fulfill anything that would qualify him as such (e.g., bring peace to the world, rebuild the Temple, lead all the Jews back to Israel....). And he wasn't even descended from David, despite the Christain's convoluted ideas about how that can be possible
Total nonsense. Jesus failed every single prophecy that could be falsified, like Ezekiels temple, world peace, and the return of the Jewish exiles, in full to the land of Israel, where they will dwell in peace. When will you give up your false Messiah, and accept the one true God of Israel?
I'm sorry to say, but I think the Rabbi is responding to the question emotionally. If the Rabbi is saying that, technically, the Rebbe could not be Moshiach today, because he is dead, then he could not have technically been the Moshiach then either, because Moshiach needs to be a prophet. A prophet has to receive prophecy for the first time in Israel, even if he receives consequent prophecies outside the Land. Since the Lubavitcher Rebbe had never been in Israel in his life, technically he could not qualify to be Moshiach, no matter how great he was in other areas.
Nowhere does rambam say that prophecy must first happen in israel. In fact, see the letter of the rebbe where he explains that the rambams opinion is like the zohar that this need not happen. And likewise the sicha of shoftim 1991 where he says all the chabad rabbeim were prophets. The rambam himself also writes in his iggresim of someone that he was a navi emes and he was not in eretz yisroel
@@user-yo6jr6ym5l Nowhere in our Mesorah have we been told that only what the Rambam says is relevant to Yahadus in general and Moshiach in particular. In general, what the Rashba says is also relevant. And the Rashba (who was also a tremendous Kabbalist and I doubt that the Rebbe could hold a candle to the Rashba's proficiency in the Zohar) writes in a Tshuva (Responsa of the Rashba, vol. 1, siman 548), quoting what he received from the Chachmei Emes, that Moshiach must have received prophecy first in Eretz Yisroel before prophesying outside of the Land. This is similar to what Rashi writes in Maseches Moed Katan 25a.
The Rambam does not in any of his Seforim call someone a Novi Emes. He only uses the phrase Novi Emes twice in all of his Seforim. Once in Igeres HaShmad (and there it is in reference to Mohammed where someone is being forced to declare Mohammed as such) and once in Yad HaChazaka (Hilchos Yesodei HaTorah 10:2).
@@mordechaiperlman2283 "Nowhere in our Mesorah have we been told that only what the Rambam says is relevant to Yahadus in general and Moshiach in particular" Firstly this isnt true. Please see the sdei chemed's klali haposkim in the section title rambam, where he says that where no posek(raavad, kesef mishna etc.) argues on rambam its forced that they agree with him and this is the halacha. Such are the halachas brought in hilchos melachim on moshiach. The Rebbe quoted this countless times against the religious zionists on their claim of ischalta dgeulah as this goes against Rambam. Even if we say rashba disagrees with rambam as a posek halacha great that just means there is multiple opinions in which case obviously there is what to rely on. Your fetish for the rashba doesnt discount other valid opinions. As i stated the rebbe said all the chabad rebbeim are prophets. Even if the rashba knew the zohar better than the rebbe, that isnt relevant since the rebbe is claiming to speak from experience. Experience trumps learning (Ayin sham). Great, you tried to look up the words "navi emes" and got confused. Ta Shma:
"About fifty years ago or less, a pious and virtuous man and scholar by the name of Moses Al-Dar'i came
from Dar'a to the province of Andalusia to study under Rabbi Joseph ha-Levi, of blessed memory, ibn Migash,
of whom you very likely have heard. Later he left for Fez, the center of Maghreb. People flocked to him
because of his piety, virtue, and learning. He informed them that the Messiah had come, as was divinely
revealed to him in a dream. Yet he did not pretend based on a divine communication, as did the former
lunatic, that he was the Messiah. He merely affirmed that the Messiah had appeared. Many people became
his adherents and reposed faith in him.
• My father and master, of blessed memory, endeavored to dissuade and discourage people from following
him. However only a few were influenced by my father, while most, nay nearly all clung to R. Moses, of
blessed memory. Finally he predicted events which came true no matter what was going to occur. He would
say: "I was informed yesterday--this and this would happen," and it did happen exactly as he foretold.....This miracle convinced all the people that he was undoubtedly a prophet. In itself this occurrence is not inconsistent with the tenets of the Torah, for prophecy shall return to Israel before the messianic advent, as i have previously explained....As this Muslim country no longer offered
him protection he left for Palestine where he died, may his memory be
blessed.”
@@user-yo6jr6ym5l Using your rule, since the Rambam does not mention if the Navi had to have received his first prophecy in Eretz Yisroel, yet the Rashba does mention it, we have to say that the Rambam agrees with the Rashba. Aside from the fact that this is the Psak of the Gemara in Moed Katan.
Also, please provide a source for this story you quote about Moshe Daari, because in all the Sifrei HoRambam I looked in, it is not there.
@@mordechaiperlman2283 1. it is not MY rule. it is the rule brought in the sdei chemeds klali haposkim. 2. No, the sdei chemed does not say where ANYONE doesnt say anything against anyone that they agree with them. The rule is specifically in the section on Rambam(entitled klali harambam) since all the poskim go out of there way to comment on his work when they disagree. Notice the raavad etc comment when they disagree. Where they write nothing they clearly agree. v'Kal lhavin. This story of the rambam is to be found in iggeres teiman(its quoted by the Rebbe). It is also very shver to say on rambam that even though he listed in detail all the criteria for being a navi he failed to mention the most obvious "psak of the gemara" that he can only prophecy first in eretz yisroel. Quite a mistake. Instead despite his intense detail in those halachas he doesnt mention as one of the conditions any such thing as that its dependent on place.
No. Read Isaiah 53. The “forbidden” chapter. The chapter the Eriv Rav does not want you to read.
The only thing forbidden about it is your understanding of it because of church talking points.
You have no idea what you are talking about. Isaiah 53 is not forbidden. You just don't understand it.
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I am sure you have been told that Isaiah 53 is not in the Jewish bible. That is a total lie.
Chabad became a messianic cult 😢
The false messiah 😢