Is Hermes as Bad as Chanel? The End of Luxury
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I have worked for Hermès. You said everything. Totally true and totally agree. The company struggle to find the same volume of leather with the same quality. Hermès is pushing to feed cows with organic food. But they are alone. Nobody in the rest of industry push on that direction because Chanel, LVMH, Kering, Richemont, Prada … they don't care.
People think Hermès is organising the scarcity.. reality is that they can’t find as much as good leather than before and they are not able to train more than 300/400 artisans by year for leather goods. If they do more, the quality will inevitably decrease. And they refuse to do that.
I mean, that's a good thing. At least they care. Unlike Chanel and their half synthetic half leather bags.
Thank you for this wonderful and insightful comment walideg 🙏🏻🥰💖 much appreciated 🌅
Well I never looked at it from this standpoint , that is interesting ty for sharing .
@@SuperDacob Does anyone know what happens to the hides of Wagyu cattle, do they provide the right kind of leather? Organic farming is so good for us, biodiversity and the environment. Thank you Dacob and walideg.
Thank you sharing your insights.
Everyone new to purchasing luxury bags needs to watch your videos before they spend their hard earned money. Your channel is very educational.
Thank you 🙏🏻
There is a huge difference between organic, grass-fed and intensively farmed, grain-fed and antibiotic filled beef. Same for free range vs intensively farmed chicken and pork.
For my Masters degree I fractured and scanned pig femurs (don’t ask!), that I acquired from a butcher. The bones I tried first were no good. They were too small and weak and bent rather than fractured. They were intensively farmed and went to slaughter at a younger age as they reached the appropriate weight quicker. The organically farmed pig bones were so different. If the bones differ I can absolutely believe the hides are different. Really interesting Dacob, thanks for sharing.
Thank you for letting us know drr. This is very interesting and also quite scary.
That's very interesting. My father was a hunter. And I noticed as a child that the bones of a pheasant are so different than those of a supermarket chicken. They are smooth and hard and have angles.
Same principle I guess. Running around in the wild Vs reared in a cramped shed
A fountain pen family sold their grandfather’s company called OMAS to LVMH. When it didn’t turn a big enough profit for LVMH in a mere few years, or maybe they decided a change of direction, they sold if off to a Chinese company who then sold it to another Chinese company who sold it for parts.
That’s LVMH.
It’s sad when a family owned business is sold and ultimately sold for parts. Am sure trying to buying from family business
I went to Chanel on Christmas & everything the SA showed me was fake-looking, not lux feeling and some flaps were wonky! I was taken aback with the bad quality 😢 the lambskin felt plasticky- like a fake leather toiletry pouch.
Interesting you should say that... Some time ago I was watching a RUclips video where an influencer went shopping to a Chanel boutique (I honestly don't remember who that was) and filmed her shopping trip there. I was taken aback when she showed the bag displays. Like you said - many of them just looked wonky. My first thought was that they looked like obvious fakes. I wonder... is it at all possible that they actually do put out fakes on the displays, considering the increasing thefts? Maybe what I said is completely dumb, but... it is just so hard to believe they would have such poor looking stuff out on display.
@@margaret9185 I got them to take out a few bags I wanted to see from storage - they had one mini flap bag which came out with a wonky flap and another small caviar classic flap which looked & felt like a fake. I doubt they would show fake bags if their objective was to sell them, right? Because I was not impressed & didn’t buy anything. The flap corners on the WOCs were curving slightly upwards like old carpet corners 🤦🏻♀️
Oh my goodness! That's so disappointing re. lack of basic quality. @@ST-cv4fc
I completely agree. Chanel is now a caricature of itself.
I doubt they would put fakes on display. All the goods are insured.
I totally agree with you Dacob, I have only recently started buying luxury items and have been impressed with SA at Hermes. Each time I make an appointment to visit store there, it's been very interesting conversations that make the shopping experience different to other stores. The SAs answer each of my questions thoroughly and demonstrates their depth of knowledge about their products far more than other stores.
This I can attest to.
As a french leather goods maker, I wanna say thank you for your respect of our work
Thank you Aurelie 🥰🙏🏻💖
I have trained as a custom saddle maker, the thing with hides is that the different parts of the hide have very different properties. For example: the strongest, thickest, most stable leather comes from the back, the thinnest most flexible leather comes from the knee and elbow parts. We used to buy half hides so we could use those parts of the hide for those saddle parts or leather projects which needed these certain properties. Cheap saddles are made by cutting up hides anyway they can get the most out of it.
Not all parts of the hide can be used for a bag if you want to make the best most reliable bag.
Thank you for the most educational comment 💖 it sounds super fascinating. 💖
I have Chanel vintage bag in lamb skin. It is 1989 year bag! And it is… butter 🧈 back that days! Now - noway. No.
Those were the days
Omg all my vintage lambskin bags are legitimately like butter like you mentioned but sturdy at the same time 😍 my favourite!!
Gold plated hardware era
Hi Dacob! I was wondering if you heard about the affordable Givenchy jewelry line being sold exclusively at Macy’s? Totally different than the jewelry sold on the official Givenchy website! Thought it might be an interesting video topic!
Dacob, thank you for your thoughtful and very informative video. I learned a lot. Plus, the discussion took my brain in many different directions. Including childhood memories of when my dad owned a leather goods shop in Rosarito Beach.
We would go to the peleteria in Tijuana, and there were rolls and rolls of leather pelts all stacked on shelves and tables. Tanned and untanned leathers, dyed leathers and suedes. Leather glues, stamping tools, leather paints, and brass hardware, and a scraps table. The leather smell of the shop was glorious. All the leather quality talk took me back to that. Thank you! To this day when I buy a bag, the first thing I wanna do is inhale the leather scent! Great video! You look smart and polished with your camellia!
Honey I walked into a Chanel to see the holiday decor in Holt Renfrew after meeting Sutton from real housewives of Beverly hills at her event here. The associate liked my sunglasses and asked if they were Chanel.. they were Kendal and Kylie from winners 😂😂
I'm DYING 🤣🤣
@@pa5666 baby they were 14$$$$!!!!!! 🤣 I than said honey I don't have a customer profile here so don't worry about me girl let me see these ornate trees made out of your customers money. They still insisted helping me and I was like I'm not buyingggg but I dressed like a person who shops at The roe with silver platform doc Martin's so maybe they didn't believe me 🤣
Maybe they were trying to suck up to you for the commish… hehe
@@SuperDacob the commish or the cult? Come in my daaaaarling? She was genuinely curious and for someone like me who's been whoring herself out in entertainment industry since I was 14 and also nerodivergent and also a person who was whoring her personality for years. It was only until I pulled my hair back and than showed her she was genuinely stunned. I loved the attention tho but I just wanted to see the testic.... I mean ball covered tree 🤣 the clothes on the rack (all the denim stuff from summer) was weird to see in winter. Baby I'll protect YOUR commish tho wegowegoo?? 🤣
I just watched a video about Hermes and they buy the entire hide from the herd so no other places can buy the leathers from the same herd.
Interesting
So interesting Dacob! (You very briefly mentioned the Melb documentary festival and your premier- and it always gives joy to think of Art Lovers Unite, your discussion with Vivienne Westwood and being able to share that special night ).
Thank you so much Jane 🥰🙏🏻 It was such a pleasure to meet you in person that night. What fun we had 🥰💖💖💖💖
Anyone who hates on Hermes, I understand it, because they can’t get everything they see on display. But try and feel their products, from scarves, to RTW, to equestrian line, to their shoes and small leather goods. It’s really good, compare it to other brands 🧡
Hermes shoes are painful. I rather wear my Adidas they are comfortable and I can walk in them for days.
@@amll2877 not sure what shoes you’ve gotten from them but from what I own, their boots and sandals are pretty comfortable.
@@amll2877 Lol who is expecting a luxury fashion brand to have shoes as comfortable as an athletic footwear brand?!!! Even if hermes uses the best materials available in the market , they still won't be able to produce the most comfortable shoes. That's because adidas, nike and etc. have had decades to research and accumulate knowledge on how to construct perfect shoes for exercising purposes. I thought this was obvious information but it seems a lot of people spend thousands of dollars only to find out cheap athletic brands delivers the most comfort.
@@amll2877 why do you find them painful?
Great video! Totally agree, the quality of Chanel is not there anymore. That’s why I stop buying from them. I bought a black on black reissue bag years ago, I had to exchange it 2 times! Because the stitching was off or defective. My SA has to apologize and finally I got a decent bag.
So sorry you had to go through the stress of having to bring back the bag two times.
I personally DONT like Glazing in leather bags.. thats why I bought Chanel bags , also can’t afford the H😂 BUT just to add a bit of info : here in Spain people prefer bio/ natural , I notice a huge difference of their teeth , skin and life span VS to the people pf the country who consume “ instant noodles” with chemical powder as flavorings. Maybe its similar to the cowhide , if these aninals were fed natural foods without chemicals maybe they will produce good leather. Just my 2 cents. Happy new year everyone❤
The vachetta on my speedy has stripes with cut in it. When I mentioned this to LV they said it was not considered a flaw. For someone with OCD tendency, Hermes is the best due to higher degree of perfection.
I totally agree with you. I started buying luxury in the 2000s … and I can completely see a difference. It’s true, how sad that luxury is becoming this way. Hermes is better for sure. The pieces I have from them are nearly perfect and I don’t worry about quality issues… and if there is one, they TAKE CARE OF YOU period. I think the most inconsistent of the big 3 is LV. Even made in USA Vs made in France is such a huge difffernece in quality and even resale price. I aesthetically love chanel. My fave bag is the chanel classic flap even over the kelly. I forget that the new generation has no comparison. That’s a very good point. So to them there is no poor quality…. It’s almost laughable … great observation! And they are the group that probably keeps buying in large quantities at the moment.
Quality, Hermes. Aesthetics, chanel. Practicality, LV.
Can't agree more.
Speaking of the new generation, I try to educate my daughter about these things. Dacob's videos are quite helpful in that regard because they get to the heart of the matter.
True i started buying in 2000s Tom Ford for Gucci was very first purchase i know can see huge difference in that brand then to now. The experience across the board in stores is much lower then it used to be the S.As aren’t long term and passionate about the brands or heritage. It’s disappointing and found myself leaning into smaller bespoke brands they are IKYK
So true. Us ladies w a 4 handle remember the Chanel of 2005 and the insane quality - back when $4k was crazy for a bag!
Ok but Hermes do not provide a luxury experience.. luxury is getting what I want when I want it and being treated accordingly. I’m never going to beg for a silly bag .
You should not need to beg ever for anything.
@@SuperDacob exactly .. I feel like , if you have the $ and want it , you should just be able to walk in and walk out with what you want in any store , always . That is my only beef with Hermes , the hassle… I don’t need or want anything bad enough to jump through any hoops …. but not judging anyone that does ❤️
Hermes is not to my taste, but I do believe they actually still care unlike so many so called luxury brands.
Still family owned that’s why
Dacob, I am so touched with the comments you made between Hermes and Chanel though you are a big fan of Chanel. Totally agree with you and you have great knowledge in this luxury industry.🙏🏻🙏🏻💚💚Thanks for all the videos you made👍🏻👍🏻
Thank you very much Kimmy 🙏🏻🥰💖
Thank you for sharing your insight Dacob. The honesty of the H SA speaks volumes about the brand and their employees. I was recently at a department store and I asked if they only had the display floor model in stock or a new one in the back and I was told in a condescending tone that they don't sell any display bags and that all the floor models are brand new untouched new bags. Um no I noticed they had scratches on them and marks on some of the lighter color bags. You look great today Dacob and your camelia looks beautiful on you.
You’d be surprised at some of the increases Hermes had in the last two years. For example, the birkin 30 in 2022 came to about $14k cad with taxes. Now, same bag with same specs runs just about $20k cad with taxes. I was quite shocked to see it go up that much.
One of my Hermes SAs is wonderful and always a pleasure to talk to. And they said that yes, they’ve seen leather bags come in that aren’t the quality they used to be.
So interesting…..D,on another note watched a Victoria and Albert museum review of a 1964 Chanel couture suit with matching hat/handbag.When the curator explained the concept behind the bag she obviously opened it to show the internal structure and a detail leapt out that shook me.Inside from that era was the intertwined double C that we have all been told was Lagerfeld.Can this be true?❤️❤️
I have watched that video too. Beautiful ensemble in the museum collection. Karl did not invent the double C. Whoever says that is terribly ill informed. The double C already appears in the thirties and even earlier. Karl did not invent anything really… he was a stylist in my opinion. Not a creator.
Great commentary on the current state of luxury brands. The lack of pride some brands have in their own heritage and craftsmanship is also evident in the practice of destroying surplus merchandise. How can I respect your products when you seem to treat them with such disdain?
Thats a really good point.
You nailed it with the comparison of quality explanation
Thank you
I am new to your channel and love your realistic, humane and appreciative approach. I would love to know what you think of some of the houses like Ferragamo, Cucinelli etc. in terms of their quality and ability to make it through this meltdown period.
Chanel cannot compare to Hermes. H is consistently tops.
When I graduate in 2008 from university, my mum told me Chanel’s quality has decline, she has several Chanel lambskin that’s same age as me which retains its buttery texture, she told me not to buy it back in 2008 😂 see where we are in now in 2024 😂😂😂 when we said it’s quality has decline lol but now in my thirties I really find Chanel despicable in terms of quality and marketing and pricing, there’s no class with it now in my opinion so I refuse to support everything from them ranging from makeup perfume to bag. For Hermes, the design may not be the chicest in lux brands but the quality and pricing are not too far apart. One thing I have to disagree with you tho despite they don’t hv as much price increment as other brands during and post covid, they hv raised their spending quota for their bag more than a double lol so in a sense I would not agree they are less culpable as other brands when it comes to pricing strategy 😂
i have heard you severa times saying nailpolish from Chanel isnt good. And i have a totally different knowledge about it. So i too it up with the sa. She claimed they have changed formula. If they have done it, then it could explain why its not bad now
They changed the formula recently. Yes. It chips less now 🥰✨
I do not doubt about leather quality but watch out for SAs. It was weird that she showed me the bag in a rush and sent me home. She never checks quality of bag with me. My SA sold me a used returned birkin and I had to wait 6 months to repair in Paris. I found out when I got home. I took pictures and sent to SA. They only gave me two options refund or repair. As you know Hermes do not have a exchange option for the bags they always say no guarantee. 😅I stopped shopping with my SA who worked with me for 3 years. I lost sincerity in her.
One of youtuber madam m.m she had similar experience, black magic marker mark was on her inside of kelly cover.😢
But if as you say Hermes does not allow an exchange or return option then how could you have been sold an exchanged item in the first place?
@@SuperDacob You are right!! They abuse power over the customers. As you know for the bags, they never promise exchange for the defective bags. At first, I asked for exchange and said I can wait until they get shipment but my SA told me no guarantee. so I decided to repair it because I thought the SA will not put me as a priority offer me a new same bag and if I go for repairing, the bag is still mine. Having a repair is better than no bag. They only gave me two options refund or repair.🤬 I will not shop with someone who is unprofessional. There were severe scratches under the original stickers on hardwares, discoloration( brown) on the corner and solis and hairs in the rain cover, clochette was out side of pouch when she showed me a bag, no brown paper wrapping, no gloves on etc. I cannot explain very detail because I want to keep it anonymously.😅 but I just wanted to share my recent experience.
New super fan - you’re keeping me going while I heal from breast cancer - don’t worry - I was still a fashion bunker gal and made my husband cart me to Paris and St Tropez this year to shop. I hope I made you proud 😂
Thank you so much Sarah 🥹🙏🏻💖 I wish you fast health and healing 💖💖💖🌅🌅🌅
you're truly helping already with your witty and spot on comments@@SuperDacob
What about Colombo in Italy, or Joseph Duclos in France? I hear their leather is beautiful, but they are not highly advertised.
In conclusion: buy vintage lol, because (unless you REALLY must have a bag) the quality mess is just that, a mess, that needs to be unwound piece by piece and fixed to course-correct and to bring the quality back to what it once was.
gradstudent91 sounds like a shill for a chinese knock-off manufacturer. I agree with all of your points, D. You hit the nail right on the head. Keep speaking the truth - chiaro e tondo!
Thank you Margaret 🥰💖🙏🏻
Has something recently happened to the quality of Chanel perfumes?? I just got a new bottle of Coco Mademoiselle for Christmas, and it smells.... different, and I have been wearing Coco Mademoiselle for years and years. Maybe I got a bad batch lol but I have never encountered this before. The perfume of course still smells lovely, but it almost smells like a completely different perfume lol!
I like the way you think how we and brands deserve better
and thank you about information about declining leather quality
Thank you Lesia 🙏🏻🥰💖
Hermes lambskin looks extremely luxurious. It looks so smooth mans almost creamy? Lol. And their box leather looks so effing gorgeous.
That’s what I like about you I understand you like certain brands I like the honesty regardless of what brand you are discussing
Thank you 🙏🏻💖
5:43: "Pushing the boundaries" just means ugly at this point. I pass right over it all.
Love the outfit. 100% with big pharma too. Now you think about our own food too organic or not.
The saying for Chanel should be, "Chanel where did you go" lol regarding the quality.
I love this Dajob!!!!! ❤❤❤❤
Thank you Chato 🙏🏻🥰💖
Very interesting video Dacob, thank you❣️🥰
Glad you enjoyed it 🥰💖
I wonder how Hermes quality compares to Bernard Arnault's revival of Moynat?
For the brands that are losing their quality. The people at the top are probably gonna stay there until those working within the brown protest. Other than that, we must vote with our dollars.
While I do think Hermes is setting their prices a little high, I will always respect their commitment to quality. No other large company does that anymore.
people always shade I love coach just because youtubers say they do buy coach I do get mad fashion is what you want it do be we go we go
LVMH needs to leave Hermes alone. How do you want to take over Hermes and youve been running your namesake brand into the ground. I am cackling like Nicki Minaj absolutely not
Lvmh tried to sneakily buy stock I Hermes through a family member and got caught and had to sell back. Lvmh is the evil empire at this point
I think the Hermes employee was shing you on man. Hermes can't get good leather because of vegans? Really? No other companies complain about a leather shortage and they use a whole lot more leather than Hermes. Hermes can't make good leather because of new sustainable leather processing? Nah fam, Hermes doesn't have this huge leather R&D program that's on the cutting edge of leather production. Coach can put out decent leather at a much lower price point. Fossil can make usable cactus leather which really is on the cutting edge of manufacturing. Hermes is throwing out excuses that don't hunt.
It’s CASPER … in drag … lol
Animals should be allowed to be fed humans for crying out loud. About time!
Coco Chanel, great designer as she was, built an empire manipulating wealthy men.
She first and foremost built an empire by working very hard each day, by working on clothes and hand craft since she was a little girl in the orphanage, by having iron discipline when it came to work ethic and perfection. THIS is how she built and MAINTAINED her empire. This constant slut shaming of talented and hard working women has to finally stop! Its really not cool. Grow up and move into the new century people.
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The amount of chemicals in both animal and people food is horrendous. I'll never go vegan (so don't worry, I'll eat the meat to supply your leather 😉) but even with me eating the meat, it's not nearly as nutritious as it used to be because of all of the chemicals and tampering with the animals. You have actively search for real meat sold through non-"normal" channels, which usually costs 3-4x the amount, compared to that of grocery store meats.
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Hermes is no better they are beneath Chanel in my opinion
I disagree. I stopped buying LV and Chanel due to quality issues. I only purchase Hermes for years now. Their quality has never wavered.
No. It's awful what happened to Chanel.
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