ODST LASO with my buddy was a blast. I loved the black eye skull on that since I got really good at juking brutes and it kinda made the game feel like doom.
Eyepatch also disables magnetism on mouse, so it does have an effect and infinite reload in CE doesn't require hitting reload 3 times, you just double tap reload
I also feel it really breaks immersion. Most of the skull effects plausibly fit in the world, minus bday party and the flying one. I get skulls were made for difficulty but they could've gotten more creative than removing a futuristic marine not being able to see his own gun
I understand why Bandanna isnt included in the LASO set Its enabled for Infinite's LASO and that game, among other reasons, is laughably easy, literally baby's first LASO, and Bandanna cancels out the effects from skulls like recession and famine
@@Jervalinthe skulls are modifiers to the game, maybe it should be under a different category instead of being with the other non-scoring skulls, but I don’t see what’s inherently wrong with it.
@@pxm2337 There should be 3 categories of skulls instead of 2. Difficulty Increasers (Iron, Blind, etc.), Difficulty Decreasers (Bandana, Acro, etc.), and Goofy (IWHBYD, Post-H2 Grunt Birthday, etc.). Maybe don't give the categories those names, but you get the idea.
Pinata funeral and boom are chaotic as hell on CE because grenades on the ground in CE can still explode so 1 grunt is a giant chain reaction already with funeral on with or without boom, but add pinata in all that and narrow tight spaces become even more deadly lol
The thing with the original Halo 2 Grunt Birthday Party skull was that a headshot on **any** unshielded enemy would cause the explosion (and even enemy corpses, assuming they hadn't already been headshot before). Was a definite downgrade when they changed it to only Grunts and confetti. (and was fun to see the physics go all out of whack when combined with Sputnik)
Tilt is an interesting one, vehicles deflect small arms fire effectively, at least in H3/4 ODST and HR, but then H5 comes along, everything just falls apart
Foreign, Famine, and Recession are what make CE so difficult: No Covenant weapons, half ammo, shots use 2x ammo. Take them out and that LASO would be such a fly by for players who don't know the major exploits. I deeply agree that 343 was so dumb with not including bandanna, especially when it's literally apart of the name LASO. And Acrophobia/Grunt Funeral should have been a different kind of option, not skull. Everyone says Blind but I get used to not seeing my weapon (just use ur shadow in newer games lol). Crossair I am used to not having but for others, just use tape or monitor crossair option if it's that bad. Easy answer: The worst skull is the tick rate of MCC lmao.
Tick rate of MCC? What do you even mean. They upped the tick rate from 30hz to 60hz in all the games. If you mean, it affects the difficulty. Then yes, you're right.
@@tacticalmattress Yeah just that the tick rate drastically increased difficulty and made some tricks impossible. Like playing Halo 2 LASO is a very different experience on og Xbox vs MCC. Not complaining, was more of a joke at the end.
Whuppo if I remember correctly doesn't make ai see through walls but very observant. They can hear you walking and reloading, swapping weapons, turning on and off your flashlight, interacting with things etc. So they pretty much notice you no matter what, but if you crouch and walk very slowly or don't walk at all and there's nothing else to aggro them, they won't know you are there. They also don't shoot at invisible targets but will perfectly track them shil they're moving. For me, considering you can save and quit iron, and I'm not too bothered by blind other than not seeing HP and Ammo, I think the worst is whuppo as for all intents and purposes, the ai always knows where you are. Honestly, thinking back on it, its a toss up for those 3. I don't run LASO but I have tried it a couple of times and I don't think its viable without exploits and skips, and I just never had the interest in learning them. That gravemind prison section is just diabolical, same with any of the boss fights, regret in particular, as the heretic leader is easy to cheese same with Tartarus, halo 2 LASO is just mean lmao I also much prefer the original grunt birthday party, it was my favourite skull as a kid, I would combo it with catch, and thunder and sputnik and just watch the carnage unfold in cairo station XD
Always thought the skulls were such a cool concept for halo 2. And when halo 3 came out I was looking all over for them, trying to get as many as possible without guides. Great vid as always, fun to see you getting into the other installments of the franchise. Just don't touch h4 lmao
Haven't watched yet but no matter what Jerv says I'll still always personally think it's the Blind skull. Not even being able to see the model of the weapon I'm holding sucks me right out of the game and for that reason CE was the most fun LASO experience I had when doing them.
It’d be way more work, and a much longer video(s), but i personally would enjoy seeing 3 tier lists where you rank all the skulls in each individual game
This feels great. I'm liking these vids. Rocket sloth is amazing but it's like the late Queen Elizabeth explaining politics. You know your shit, we all know it, now it's down to script and edit. I want more!
Alright, hear me out. Halo 2, instead of the LASO playlist, actually turn on every skull. you think not having your hud is bad? Try your only weapon being a scarab gun that is literally flash banging you every time you shoot and enemies can just ride the explosion and kill you. Your enemy is random loose boxes that will come flying at you in no time and splatter you. Rocket sloth did a video about it and I tried it, it is an interesting challenge.
As someone who likes extreme challenge in games, blind and iron keep me away from laso. That and the achievements glitching too. I really hate permadeath and not being able to at least see the weapon viewmodel never made sense to me. I play ball with all the other skulls but blind and solo iron completely ruin the experience.
Halo 3 legendary MCC is significantly harder than the original on 360. Even without skulls. Cause the tick rate. Playing through my annual playthrough and mythic is horrible. Nothing dies 😭 Enemies also seem to throw grenades way more frequently, and with pinpoint accuracy. CE laso is the worst, especially on MCC.
You are still working on halo 3 laso deathless? Does that mean your end goal is halo 1/2/3 laso deathless one stream. Cos holy shit that would be crazy
19:04 the what skull? You mean the "That's just wrong" skull? I have never before heard the skull be called that before. Where does that name even come from?
There’s a bit of a history here so I’m not gonna go too far into it but it originally didn’t have a name and was called the “unnamed” skull, then later whuppopotomus was supposed to be another skull that didn’t get made, but they had the name left over and it’s been applied to the “unnamed” skull. It gets kinda complicated when looking at the code so apologies for the long read. Lastly the “thats just wrong” skull is a dogshit name 343 came up with because they couldn’t be bothered to do the most basic level of research
Bandanna is fun, but definitely not very interesting for a challenge run. It's the opposite of challenge. Still nice they threw in some "fun" skulls if you wanted to use them, IWHBYD best skull. Or just play with the scoring skulls on while omitting the non-scoring ones, at least 3 and onwards separated them. Great video!
the way skulls are categorized in mcc shows that 343 either didn't understand or completely ignored bungies design philosophy (which can be said for Halo in general). In Halo 2 they appeared as hidden modifier specific for each level. from Halo 3 onward they were seperated in gold and silver categories. the first actually made the game harder and therefore added score multipliers when campaign scoring was activated. the silver skulls didn't increase the difficulty but added entertaining effects and the had no influence on your campaign score. 343 flooded both categories seemingly randomly with new effects that they probably deemed entertaining. No thought was put into how these skulls interact with each other and how they effect gameplay. Biggest prove of that for me is that the "endless ammo" skull is in the same group as "Famine". That makes no sense if you want the classic "active all of these to make the game hard as fuck" or "active all of these for maximized shits and giggles". I hope Halo studio fixes this at some point but I'm aware that rearranging the skulls is a pretty low priority task.
Famine and bandana are not in the same category, and the what other skulls do you think are actually missorted? All the scoring ones increase difficulty, and almost all the non-scoring ones are either mostly cosmetic (grunt funeral being the big exception as the worst designed skull in the series) more ridiculous or physics based, or the cheat skulls like envy or bandana. The only ones that don’t belong in non-scoring are swarm, so angry, and they come back, but I think the reason they did that is because they don’t have a modifier and instead just increase score values.
@@pxm2337 Are they not any more? Last time I tried to set up a LASO game is quite a while back. I gave up because nothing seemed to make any sense. I should check this. It got stuck in my head because some of those things were so obviously wrong, but maybe new leadership is already at work. after all, they announced new updates for MCC lately, after the supposed end of support for MCC. Things are in motion and I'm not up to date, apparently.
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ODST LASO with my buddy was a blast. I loved the black eye skull on that since I got really good at juking brutes and it kinda made the game feel like doom.
Eyepatch also disables magnetism on mouse, so it does have an effect and infinite reload in CE doesn't require hitting reload 3 times, you just double tap reload
Fog skull doesn't matter:
Blind does it already!
Less thought of detail: Recession + Famine means you really have 1/4 the ammo, half drops, twice the use. Guess that's why black-eye is instant shield
10:47 having this play in the background made me nearly piss myself laughing
ranking vids do so well in the algorithm i wouldnt be surprised if you did more tier lists this channel would pop tf off
Blind is easily the worst. Info is everything.
Blind is easy
That is like the easiest skull
blind sucks on C.E but can be mitigated on 2 and 3 pretty easy
@@SavingSoulsMinistriesblind isn’t used in the official CE LASO playlist
I also feel it really breaks immersion. Most of the skull effects plausibly fit in the world, minus bday party and the flying one. I get skulls were made for difficulty but they could've gotten more creative than removing a futuristic marine not being able to see his own gun
I understand why Bandanna isnt included in the LASO set
Its enabled for Infinite's LASO and that game, among other reasons, is laughably easy, literally baby's first LASO, and Bandanna cancels out the effects from skulls like recession and famine
Why make it a skull effect at all? Can’t they just be a little more creative?
@Jervalin I love the ability to mess around with infinite ammo, but I do agree it should've been a separate setting like the scoring/time counters are
@@Jervalinthe skulls are modifiers to the game, maybe it should be under a different category instead of being with the other non-scoring skulls, but I don’t see what’s inherently wrong with it.
@@pxm2337 There should be 3 categories of skulls instead of 2. Difficulty Increasers (Iron, Blind, etc.), Difficulty Decreasers (Bandana, Acro, etc.), and Goofy (IWHBYD, Post-H2 Grunt Birthday, etc.). Maybe don't give the categories those names, but you get the idea.
@@RednekGamurz gold, silver, bronze/tin would make sense since that was how it was from 3-CEA, with the bronze/tin ones being the cheats.
Iron is the worst, unless your playing Co-op than Blind would be the worst
this is the best halo content i’ve ever consumed, bro gets it’s like no one else
Pinata funeral and boom are chaotic as hell on CE because grenades on the ground in CE can still explode so 1 grunt is a giant chain reaction already with funeral on with or without boom, but add pinata in all that and narrow tight spaces become even more deadly lol
The thing with the original Halo 2 Grunt Birthday Party skull was that a headshot on **any** unshielded enemy would cause the explosion (and even enemy corpses, assuming they hadn't already been headshot before). Was a definite downgrade when they changed it to only Grunts and confetti. (and was fun to see the physics go all out of whack when combined with Sputnik)
we all know the worst is envy, thats why you beat "laso" without it.
Playing Halo Reach might affect the list, as the elites in that game are crazy and it uses the same skulls as halo 3. Well, assuming "cloud" is "fog".
Tilt is an interesting one, vehicles deflect small arms fire effectively, at least in H3/4 ODST and HR, but then H5 comes along, everything just falls apart
10:47 me being melted after whiffing a headshot because Eye Patch disables aim assist
Foreign, Famine, and Recession are what make CE so difficult: No Covenant weapons, half ammo, shots use 2x ammo. Take them out and that LASO would be such a fly by for players who don't know the major exploits. I deeply agree that 343 was so dumb with not including bandanna, especially when it's literally apart of the name LASO. And Acrophobia/Grunt Funeral should have been a different kind of option, not skull.
Everyone says Blind but I get used to not seeing my weapon (just use ur shadow in newer games lol). Crossair I am used to not having but for others, just use tape or monitor crossair option if it's that bad.
Easy answer: The worst skull is the tick rate of MCC lmao.
Tick rate of MCC? What do you even mean. They upped the tick rate from 30hz to 60hz in all the games. If you mean, it affects the difficulty. Then yes, you're right.
@@tacticalmattress Yeah just that the tick rate drastically increased difficulty and made some tricks impossible. Like playing Halo 2 LASO is a very different experience on og Xbox vs MCC.
Not complaining, was more of a joke at the end.
Whuppo if I remember correctly doesn't make ai see through walls but very observant. They can hear you walking and reloading, swapping weapons, turning on and off your flashlight, interacting with things etc. So they pretty much notice you no matter what, but if you crouch and walk very slowly or don't walk at all and there's nothing else to aggro them, they won't know you are there.
They also don't shoot at invisible targets but will perfectly track them shil they're moving.
For me, considering you can save and quit iron, and I'm not too bothered by blind other than not seeing HP and Ammo, I think the worst is whuppo as for all intents and purposes, the ai always knows where you are. Honestly, thinking back on it, its a toss up for those 3. I don't run LASO but I have tried it a couple of times and I don't think its viable without exploits and skips, and I just never had the interest in learning them.
That gravemind prison section is just diabolical, same with any of the boss fights, regret in particular, as the heretic leader is easy to cheese same with Tartarus, halo 2 LASO is just mean lmao
I also much prefer the original grunt birthday party, it was my favourite skull as a kid, I would combo it with catch, and thunder and sputnik and just watch the carnage unfold in cairo station XD
Always thought the skulls were such a cool concept for halo 2. And when halo 3 came out I was looking all over for them, trying to get as many as possible without guides.
Great vid as always, fun to see you getting into the other installments of the franchise. Just don't touch h4 lmao
planning on doing my laso runs with respect to the iron skull. This video probably has the most valuable information i've found so far
Blind skull makes my stomach hurt
CE: Foreign
2: Assassins
3: Tilt
Haven't watched yet but no matter what Jerv says I'll still always personally think it's the Blind skull.
Not even being able to see the model of the weapon I'm holding sucks me right out of the game and for that reason CE was the most fun LASO experience I had when doing them.
It’d be way more work, and a much longer video(s), but i personally would enjoy seeing 3 tier lists where you rank all the skulls in each individual game
Hating on Grunt Birthday party is crazy
Recession and Famine would be the worst combo in the franchise. So glad it’s only in H:CE.
I like this kind of content, you're one of the best placed to talk about it and share your thoughts :)
This feels great. I'm liking these vids. Rocket sloth is amazing but it's like the late Queen Elizabeth explaining politics. You know your shit, we all know it, now it's down to script and edit. I want more!
Thanks for the imperial jervtent 🥖
Alright, hear me out. Halo 2, instead of the LASO playlist, actually turn on every skull. you think not having your hud is bad? Try your only weapon being a scarab gun that is literally flash banging you every time you shoot and enemies can just ride the explosion and kill you. Your enemy is random loose boxes that will come flying at you in no time and splatter you. Rocket sloth did a video about it and I tried it, it is an interesting challenge.
I was thinking i'd do a laso run at some point, I plan to start with ODST.
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Blind can be easily negated by putting tape with a crosshair on your screen. Eyepatch is by far the worst for console at least
good video from an amazing legend
I made number 3 at something LETS GOOO
I really enjoy this type of content, keep it up man
Bro how do you sound like the act man??? You could’ve opened the video with “What’s up everybody, it’s the act man” and I would’ve believed you
Blind sucks but id take it sll day over Iron. 1 tiny mistake killing an hour long level at the end is enough to make me break my mouse
absolutely hated Iron
Double Double Bald
Blind and iron
Dope vid, hope to see more bro
As someone who likes extreme challenge in games, blind and iron keep me away from laso. That and the achievements glitching too. I really hate permadeath and not being able to at least see the weapon viewmodel never made sense to me.
I play ball with all the other skulls but blind and solo iron completely ruin the experience.
If you play coop you just reset to the last checkpoint with iron. Blind is really not that bad except on CE
@relaetsecyr I specified solo iron and blind will always suck.
Halo 3 legendary MCC is significantly harder than the original on 360. Even without skulls. Cause the tick rate. Playing through my annual playthrough and mythic is horrible. Nothing dies 😭
Enemies also seem to throw grenades way more frequently, and with pinpoint accuracy.
CE laso is the worst, especially on MCC.
Say Halo 1, Halo 2, Halo 3
You are still working on halo 3 laso deathless? Does that mean your end goal is halo 1/2/3 laso deathless one stream. Cos holy shit that would be crazy
19:04 the what skull? You mean the "That's just wrong" skull? I have never before heard the skull be called that before. Where does that name even come from?
There’s a bit of a history here so I’m not gonna go too far into it but it originally didn’t have a name and was called the “unnamed” skull, then later whuppopotomus was supposed to be another skull that didn’t get made, but they had the name left over and it’s been applied to the “unnamed” skull. It gets kinda complicated when looking at the code so apologies for the long read. Lastly the “thats just wrong” skull is a dogshit name 343 came up with because they couldn’t be bothered to do the most basic level of research
@ ah neat. Thanks for the history lesson!
Iron. No question, at least without scumming with a 2nd controller
How is playing in co-op scumming?
@ThePilleroflightning if you're doing a solo laso run, and have twobplayers connected you're basically just canceling out the skull
Bandanna is fun, but definitely not very interesting for a challenge run. It's the opposite of challenge. Still nice they threw in some "fun" skulls if you wanted to use them, IWHBYD best skull. Or just play with the scoring skulls on while omitting the non-scoring ones, at least 3 and onwards separated them. Great video!
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Great video. Blind truly sucks.
I like videos like this
You save and quit everytime because of Iron? So you haven’t legit beat a LASO ever ?
Check out his LASO Deathless runs fella
good video hit me with more opinion content
the way skulls are categorized in mcc shows that 343 either didn't understand or completely ignored bungies design philosophy (which can be said for Halo in general). In Halo 2 they appeared as hidden modifier specific for each level. from Halo 3 onward they were seperated in gold and silver categories. the first actually made the game harder and therefore added score multipliers when campaign scoring was activated. the silver skulls didn't increase the difficulty but added entertaining effects and the had no influence on your campaign score.
343 flooded both categories seemingly randomly with new effects that they probably deemed entertaining. No thought was put into how these skulls interact with each other and how they effect gameplay. Biggest prove of that for me is that the "endless ammo" skull is in the same group as "Famine". That makes no sense if you want the classic "active all of these to make the game hard as fuck" or "active all of these for maximized shits and giggles".
I hope Halo studio fixes this at some point but I'm aware that rearranging the skulls is a pretty low priority task.
Famine and bandana are not in the same category, and the what other skulls do you think are actually missorted? All the scoring ones increase difficulty, and almost all the non-scoring ones are either mostly cosmetic (grunt funeral being the big exception as the worst designed skull in the series) more ridiculous or physics based, or the cheat skulls like envy or bandana. The only ones that don’t belong in non-scoring are swarm, so angry, and they come back, but I think the reason they did that is because they don’t have a modifier and instead just increase score values.
@@pxm2337 Are they not any more? Last time I tried to set up a LASO game is quite a while back. I gave up because nothing seemed to make any sense. I should check this. It got stuck in my head because some of those things were so obviously wrong, but maybe new leadership is already at work. after all, they announced new updates for MCC lately, after the supposed end of support for MCC. Things are in motion and I'm not up to date, apparently.
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