Heat Exchange in Oxygen Not Included
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- Опубликовано: 2 янв 2025
- Understanding heat exchange is a HUGE part of ONI once you get past the early game. It's a vital skill. You can cook petroleum and natural gas using only a little power, fuel steam turbines using regolith heat, and all kinds of other stuff. This will show you the basics and some common setups.
I couldn't stop staring at that dead dupe in the beginning!
Lol thanks
Good video. I really like the stair heat exchanger. Clever :)
This was really interesting! Great video.
Not connecting the metal tiles blew my mind!
Can’t wait for your next video!
Thanks for making the video despite your aversion. Very informative and condensed overview over the different mechanics one can use.
Wow this blew my mind when you started talking about the petroleum boiler
Where did this go anyways? He is soooo good right up there with Francis John and brothgar
"and I ate a sandwich." :)
Good lesson. thank you for taking the time to describe this in detail.
Okay, I learned my lesson about making the UI bigger so you can read it, sorry about that. Also, I'll turn up the volume on my mic.
love your video, it is very straight forward. unfortunaly i havent reach the point to use this in game yet but if you have a discord server to sharing experience it would be magnificent.
Please keep up the good work
Thank you for this genius video!
Great video! Very informative. I would have liked some direct practical examples where these setups can be used. Also with a better production quality you could really reach some people i think
Thanks! I think my production quality is improving but right now it's mainly just learning to explain clearly and in complete sentences while simultaneously not sounding robotic. (Yeah, it's that bad.)
Do you have any particular setup in mind? I've been thinking of doing one on cooling regolith for steam power. That involves a small heat exchange.
I came from "What kind of pointless garbage is this? Why not connect metal tiles?" to "Oh... it EXCHANGES heat between two things. That is genious!"
I still do not understand the point of the insulation... it just limits the surface area of the heat exchanger.
@@barshtoyer1806 without insulation everything would get the the same medium temperature.
Hey Tony, love your videos, are you going to do some more?
That staircase, my god. Never seen petroleum produced by a cooling system before
That petroleum boiler design seems to take up a lot of space. How effective is the diagonal heat exchanger design compared to the more common zig zag pattern?
Hey! That was really interesting I look forward to more videos. I have a question, what did you set your bottom right thermosensor to on your oil boiler at 12:24?
Tony AdvancedONI
The idea is to be sure it's hot enough that there is no oil left. So it has to be at least 403. I used 410 so there is a little margin.
How much does the pipe and tile material affect the heat exchanger? Does using, say, aluminum over gold make a difference due to the former's higher thermal conductivity?
I'd be curious to know if the checkerboard exchanger is more efficient when the liquid/gas pipes are also alternating conductive/insulated instead of being conductive the whole way. Don't the pipe segments exchange heat with their neighbors?
As usual, great vid! I always get a chuckle out of how abruptly you end your videos.
Pipe segments do not exchange heat directly with other pipe segments.
Hey great job!!! I was wondering what your 2nd thermo sensor (the one on the bottom right at the bottom of the stairs) in the oil stairs was set at?? 400??
The idea is to be sure it's hot enough that there is no oil left. So it has to be at least 403. I used 410 so there is a little margin.
This is damn impressive and extremly interesting.. what the fuck.. im impressed.. really
I mean its still a video game, but damn.. this is super cool being able to do all that shit in there
It's very interesting ! Not having a dupe to use the oil refinery would be nice ^^ (lol i'm making plans in my head with the cooling used for polymer presses and run steam turbines , grilling my noob brain)
can only asume they change some stuff in the game, since aquatuner and pump overheat instant
Okay, so I'm pretty new to ONI, but I was wondering if the first couple of designs with metal plates is more efficient than using tempshift plates.
Tempshift plates have more mass (and conductivity?) than a metal tile, so they are often a better heatsink. But tempshift plates do not "touch" pipes, so they don't work in those cases unless the heat travels through a third thing.
@@tonyadvanced6315 So, tempshift plates would be more for dispersing heat in say a room or a pool? Does that mean I could snake radiant pipes, for example, behind a pool of liquid with cold liquid/gas and also cover that area with tempshift plates so the temp of the pipes cools the pool of liquid? Or do tempshift plates only work on gases?
@@AzraelAG In that case the pipes still don't touch the tempshift plates. So it wouldn't change how quickly then pipes can cool the liquid, and you'd have to cool the plates as well, so temperature changes would take longer. The plates would be very good at keeping the temperature of the pool even, in case that's something you want, and in some cases I can see how spreading heat around faster could speed up heating/cooling.
@@tonyadvanced6315 Okay, so the tempshift plates basically just evenly displace heat around them and other tempshift plates they touch?
@@AzraelAG They don't transmit heat to each other directly. A tempshift plate is nothing but an 800kg mass of something that touches it's own grid and all 8 adjacent grids. It transfers heat between itself and those other grids. That's all it does. It doesn't interact directly with buildings or pipes or debris. But it does interact with gasses, liquids, tiles and natural tiles.
There is only heat. There is no such thing as cold. You absorb heat. You do not give up cold. lol
I love your videos and I know your gone now, I guess. I'm just being pedantic. I just had to say that because those comments were nails on a chalkboard to me lol
Sorry I don't get it. Why isolate metal tiles? isn't the purpose of heat exchange is to distribute heat evenly?
Not at all. the purpose of heat exchange is to switch the hot and cold between two things. If you distribute it evenly then everything just ends up warm.
If you don't isolate the metal tiles, then they can heat/cool each other and it's much more difficult for the exchange to work. You can try this out, just do it both ways and see which one works better.
Okay, I have a new question. I'm wanting to try and build that petrol/oil heat exchange but I'm at a loss on how to get the oil to such a low temperature to begin with. and I'm curious if it needs to be that cold in the first place.
Also, is there a good alternative to super coolant if you don't have it yet?
You should be able to use oil that is any temperature.
The tricky part with this particular setup is that you need thermium for the aquatuner and liquid pump. Otherwise it will overheat long before it gets hot enough.
@@tonyadvanced6315 Okay, so I 100% need thermium? I can't use aluminum which has very close thermal conductivity? (205 instead of 220)
Also, I've not quite gotten to be able to use super coolant neither have I gotten to where I can liquify hydrogen, so I'm wondering if polluted water is viable to submerge things in effectively for cooling.
You just said that thing about pipes not getting damaged with 1KG of liquid in them.
Loads of other people say that too.
Even the wiki says that.
Yet my *EMPTY* steel pipes got damaged at 400°C in a petrol boiler that had had the input turned off.
Is that a bug then?
Something unexpected is definitely happening there. It certainly could be a bug. That would be a novel bug and I've never heard anything like it. If you share a screenshot I'd definitely like to have a look at your setup.
@@tonyadvanced6315 Its probably me. It was from a game I abandoned due to heat death a few weeks ago. The last thing I saw was damaged pipes from the boiler that I had turned off ages ago. I assumed the pipes were empty.
I just had a good look at it and there are pipes sitting in +400°C petrol and they're not getting damaged any more than they already have been. I have to assume from that, that oil got in there somehow when they were damaged.
Thanks anyway. o/
Man you did Abe dirty... he layin dead as fuck
coldness is absence of heat energy, even in this game
Sour Gas destroying with doors still in the game? Looks kinda exploity although you could just vent into space.
the only solution for that is to teleport Gas to the next free Tile, which can be exploited too
@@user-si5fm8ql3c Or, closing could be made impossible. Or it could be done, but with infinite compression (the gaz or liquid or stuff is still there when the door opens). With, or without dommage to the door. It is a dev choice, there are possibilities to do otherwise !
You don't give up coldness; that's not a thing. It absorbs heat. Cold is just the lack of heat.
True. I said it that way because it seemed like the simple way to express it.
it's funny how one has to watch your video about heat exchange to learn your build on a petroleum burner lol 10:40
since it has a higher specific heat, meaning the game is imbalanced, you could use it as yet another perpetual game mechanic
RIP Nikola
RIP Abe
What do you mean? Did something happen to him?
GAS doesn't change tile due to heat, it has simple rules based on the gas in the 4 possible movement tiles.
Heat is not really part of the material in a tile, but is instead a seperate layer, with its own movement rules.
Sometimes you have to remember it's a game and it doesn't even try to simulate real world physics.
I need to play simpler games. I am very lost right now.
No, failing and confusion are an integral part of the game's enjoyment!
Why do these heat exchangers feels like cheating to me lol this even works irl
Of course, it's real. They just express it this way because it's their game.
I have to make the number a nic number so now it's a comment 69
Is the boiler in a vacuum? My pump and Aquatuner are overheating (steel).
For petroleum? You would need thermium to set that up in that way. The petroleum has to be 400C and steel can't withstand that. It can be done with steel (or less) but it requires a different setup.
Thank you.
Poor Abe!