I am playing the drums for 35 years now. Traditional grip is the way for me. Sure, you can do great solos with matched grip, not going to argue with that. But, like the man says, traditional gives you more flexibility, especially with drum rolls. But let's not split hairs and enjoy this video :).
Yeah, he's even got that mad angle on his snare to accommodate for traditional grip (which only exists because of the slant slings gave marching snares), which makes it impossible for him to use match. They're actually completely equal, they strike the drum identically. That's why these modern drum corps are able to use it, despite a demand for extreme precision with every stroke (something jazz doesn't necessarily demand).
Way back in the day, when I was in 8th grade, first year playing jazz. We were doing the annual jazz festival at our school for all of west washington. I had the solo after the break in night in tunisia. It was my first year playing jazz so my director Matt Armstrong, one of the best music teachers in the world, had me transcribe a solo from north texas jazz band. I worked at it for months til it was as perfect as an 8th grader could get it. So here we are, day of the gig, were up there playing and my hearts goin 200 mph, we get to the part right before the break where theres that unison descending triads part, and I'm fumbling around with the mic trying to find the on switch, not realizing the sound guys had control over that. The break happens and I freeze. Dead air and I went " awww SHIT" right into the mic, which unbeknownst to me, was on. As embarrassing as it was, I never screwed up a solo after that again, and I realized that was probably the worst thing I'd ever do onstage. To this day, if I get butterflies before performing I think of that and laugh and it calms me right down.
Hi Buddy, I think the problem is the angle of your snare drum, it would be very tricky to play match grip like that. Try angling it a bit flatter and try again. Hope you post another video showing your progress. Not heard of this guy but he seems pretty talented, I hope his career takes off soon! All the best Nelson
Why is traditional grip better? Here watch me demonstrate how hard it is to play around a kit with matched grip, ignoring the fact that my kit is ergonomically set up for traditional.
most of the people here aren't drummers... or are just people that sit down, play a beat and think they are drummers. real drummers are living a life within rhythm and beat. it doesn't stop when they leave the throne. however, no one here seems to recognize that the old hardware on those sets were junk... he developed his style, n every drummer produces their set up to be within their own abilities and demands. buddy rich demanded the most style and speed. functional style, not just flash and glam... so obviously his drumset is set up to his style and needs. he didn't have a rack system... most of the old mounts were one position and that was it. no ball joints... they were extremely limiting, so you developed around that to get the most out of it that you could.
@@treatb09 when referring to the older kits, are you talking about drum hardware when buddy rich first started playing drums, or the state of drum hardware in 1977 when this was recorded?
@@tonedoctagon until about the mid 80's hardware wasn't really capable of handling aggression. the expertise buddy has isn't just speed, but he won't hit a cymbal hard enough that the stand collapses. aggressive drummers will break their stands because they can't slow dow in the moment right before hitting the cymbal. speed isn't everything.
@RUclips Türkiye Müdür real musicians don't measure themselves by how someone else is/was. sure we develop speed, but its not to be buddy rich.... i'm not sitting in front of a crowd demonstrating his technique to say, " hey guys, i'm like buddy rich..." i wrote my own style and developed it since i was a natural drummer. basically a prodigy, but i quit drums 14 years ago. played guitar for 12, and wanted to play drums again. i still can play things more complicated than most people could ever learn, and its natural to me. what does that matter though? its just that i don't have that stamina to be able to skate 8 hours a day, play drums 6 hours straight anymore... i do have some of the best drums ever made though, and i have learned a certain care that i replaced with technicality when i was younger.
When I was young, I asked my drum teacher if I should learn traditional grip. He asked "are you planning on playing in a marching band, with your snare at your side?" I said no... and he said "then there's no point learning traditional." I still think he's right.
My favorite one is Thomas Lang saying basically that "I started learning traditional, because I had played matched grip my whole life and I wanted a challenge." Or something like that.
@@mc76 That quote is nonsense, as it implies no one who is successful would also teach. In music, that isn't the case. I've had two drum teachers, and both didn't teach for the money, but because they loved teaching. They both made plenty of money in the industry playing in well known bands. And, just because you excel at something, doesn't necessarily mean you'll teach it well. Buddy Rich is self-evidently a top tier drummer, but his ergonomics are damaging. If you prefer traditional grip, you don't need Buddy Rich to back you, but his comments about not having the room with matched grip are nonsense.
Traditional grip is a necessity if you have the snare angled down, away from you as most jazz drummers have always done. That tradition was inherited from marching drums where you braced the drum against your leg as you walked. Most modern rock drummers have compensated for this by simply tilting the snare back towards them which makes the more comfortable matched grip just as easy to employ 😊
@@ErickC no actually! I used to sit pretty low as I felt it allowed me to get more power out of the bass drum and I’d have my snare flat, but as I’ve moved towards faster playing I’ve raised my seat so my knees are very slightly lower than my hips and angled the snare away, it also gives more volume in the snare cos I get near enough a rim shot automatically with every hit.
Buddy Rich is correct. When I go fishing I always use traditional grip on the rod. It just feels more natural. Kids these days know nothing. *Snorts a tablespoon of plant food*
Wasn't expecting the plant food punchline. Neither was my keyboard, nor the floor next to my desk, which is where most of the coffee that came out of my mouth and nose ended up upon reading your comment. Chapeau, good sir.
Once I started playing a drum set I stopped playing Trad grip. I read an article but I think it was Terry Bozzio interview and he talked about trying to play the tom-toms that were on his left that he couldn't actually hit playing traditional grip. Matched grip opens up the drum set if you have a lot of drums.
“That’s the extent of their imagination” *proceeds to do nothing but play super fast and just hit in different places* (the follow string of shit you will see in this comment section is some of the most fun I have ever had in the cesspool that is RUclips comments)
Apothe Curio LMAO nice job summing up drumming in a sentence mate. “Just hit in different places”. Yeah, thats called drumming buddy. Nice job trying to bash him with your straight up horse-shit though.
Apothe Curio LOL that solo was fucking sick. Not even an actual solo of his anyways, but if youre gonna tell me that that solo sucked then youre just full of shit
Apothe Curio Imagine calling fucking buddy rich an “uncreative drummer”. Even if youre just saying that this one solo was “uncreative”, then your whole argument is pointless anyways.
>Bashes drummers who like matched grip because "durr they just like to play fast and loud" >Does the exact same with traditional grip immediately after okay Buddy
He bashed kids for not having “creativity”, and said the same thing about other genres of music, yet his entire set consisted of jazz standards and covers.
If I find myself craving a drum solo, I might click one of his on RUclips, maybe. The title of this video caught me. There are far more musical and interesting jazz drummers out there. What was Rich’s legacy in terms of landmark recordings? He loved to rag on counter music in its day as being for simpletons, but he was pretty meat & potatoes as a drummer. He was more of a performer than a man who participated in ensembles. He fit well in Carson as an entertainer.
@@TronciM Mostly it just stems from him being the pioneer or godfather of jazz drumming as it is today. There defiantly is and was many much better drummers but he kinda originated a lot of techniques and inspired many
The irony about that statement, as myself and my drum teacher were discussing, is that actually playing traditional grip initially limits what you can do, as opposed to match grip. I suspect Buddy just had his snare drum too close for a match grip roll to work effectively. However, Buddy was growing up in a world where the drumkit was being invented, and loads of people went from drumline to drumkit, hence why practically everyone up until the British Invasion used traditional grip
+x1StapleGun Traditional grip isn't even for drummers, as you know it is used in marching bands. Matched grip is more versatile, even percussionists prefer it to the traditional one, and more natural, just give a pair of sticks to a little kid.
Traditional grip suits certain styles. I've heard jazz played with matched and there's something about it, the snare dynamics aren't right. A good drummer personally would learn to use both because they can both be damn useful at points
+Roberto Ricci It's good for jazz in that the angle in traditional grip, you can have the tip very close to the surface of the snare. It makes it good for those light dynamics on the snare in jazz. You can learn to do this with matched grip but its probably naturally easier to be able to get those dynamics with traditional grip.
I met Buddy in Minneapolis at a concert and was a devoted fan. He was the greatest...however, he was WRONG on the matched grip vs. the traditional grip. The traditional grip developed from marching with a drum and tipping the snare so it wouldn't bang against your leg and forced you to hold the left hand through the fingers to hit the drum easier. A matched grip can get around the left or right side faster and easier than an un-natural traditional grip. Buddy simply played that way all his life and could have done it just as well or better if he started with matched.
I agree with you jamieseiple. When I started watching this video, although Buddy Rich is my drum god, I disagree with his assertion that all you can do is, essentially 32nd note rolls around the drums, with matched grip
+jamieseiple Even though how good he was, and even I think trad grip has it's uses, his statements here are just bs. Apart from his incredible skills he was known for his huge ego and being a dick.
My personal percussion teacher, Tony DeNicola, played with the Harry James Orchestra for 20 years (he was in a Jerry Lewis movie with the band LoL). He was close friends with Buddy, and he never pulled me away from matched grip. Hell, he's the one who introduced me to the reason for conventional grip and the snare hanging from the side. Just play how you're comfortable. If you get the sound you need, that's all that matters.
John Hurley Tony was my teacher, too. Great guy. I studied with him at Trenton State for months before I saw him in the gig. For weeks after, I was afraid to play in front of him. Scary dude.
I don't doubt Buddy's skill but based on his "explanation" I can't help but think he would've been an awful teacher. I honestly think that this was a different time and everyone used traditional because everyone who played snare drum was traditional, although both styles have their advantages, and in the end it's all about the comfort of the player. Buddy loved traditional and hated matched, but when he explains it he sounds like a conceited ass. And while grip is important it shouldn't affect creativity, unless it's uncomfortable and fucks you up
He likely would've been a bad teacher because he never received formal music education. Even after he became well known he flat out refused to do it because he thought it would ruin his artistic style....so I guess buddy rich kind of earned his being an ass rights lol
Johnny TheMUSICmaN Jesus, sorry. I said nothing about jazz by the way I just don't think he really gave any explanation for why he likes traditional, the one you gave isn't that great either by the way please break it down for me oh, wise master of the drum set. You should write a book I'll totally buy it :3
RichardFilmoure fun fact, buddy actually made a video (which is still on RUclips) explaining why he does prefer traditional to match grip. In short it comes down to his ability to move around the set
yes, it's a bit funny, He tells, Matched Grip is'nt pretty Good for playing the snare Drum, but all the people using it have anothee snare Drum Position.
no shit, he's a jazz drummer, his style requires you to do more rim shots (rim and skin at same time) and if you put it into modern position then it's harder to do having to drop your shoulders more which slows your rhythm.. most modern drummers dont incorporate the rim shot consistently like he does so thats why he has his drum positioned that way.. so if you wanna be able to do ALL styles not just one style then his drum is in the correct position, since its not used as much anymore is why everyone is used to seeing it positioned front down.. same reason drum lines have it angled flat or front up to make the rim shot easier and traditional grip. It was the style of the time.. so dont judge, appreciate what he did for his time and understand to him and so many before him, this was the correct way, just because they worry about drum rolls on the toms more these days, dont hate on the OG! Neither is wrong now a days, but for the drummer who wants to be good at every level and style, it IS the correct style! Not putting anything against people like neil peart, they just cant be compared, totally different styles!!
He actually did use matched occasionally but I think he was infinitely more comfortable playing traditional, having used it since he was 3 as Traps the Drum Wonder.
To those that say its hard to play matched grip with the way Buddy has his snare positioned if you think about it his right hand is holding the stick as you would with matched.Also to those that say traditional grip is superior wouldn't you hold both sticks the same (i.e. As Buddy holds his left hand stick)... Just curious
william weir I know what you mean. if the snare is tilted away from me, traditional makes sense, otherwise my left hand would hit the rim constantly. I think if you're a right handed drummer, the right hand (dominant hand) will adapt to any angle regardless of what the other hand is doing (same if you're a left handed drummer). Playing the right hand upturned like the left, it would make it very impractical to play the cymbals. I think traditional grip reflects the hands' purpose in a jazz setting: the dominant hand is the primary action (cymbal player, time keeper) and is held in a French grip to accommodate the widest amount of surfaces (for soloing or complicated fills). The weak hand is upturned for easier dragging across the toms and snare, and for easier ghost notes. But that might just be me rambling...
this is one of the drummers that Neil Peart idolized. Neil used both the traditional grip and the matched grip, depending on what he was doing. I've seen him switch back and forth multiple times in one song.
Neil started using some matched grip later in his career as a way of reinventing himself. There's a good video on RUclips in which he talks a bout it -- search "neil peart matched grip"
Buddy Rich is a great drummer however he is one of the most egotisitcal and narrsasistic people I ever heard speak. So many drummers have proven him wrong.
Sam that is true BUT you know for the MST part that trad cradle martial arts grip is more difficult to learn AND has benefits including once one becomes comfortable wth it in execution you can always or almost so mix in much easier matched grip
Reminds me of my old drum teacher. He showed me that you cannot have good volume control with heel up by literally slamming the beater into the bass drum as hard as he could 🤣
I love this guy and the right way to remember him is with a pinch of salt. He was stubborn in thought but valuable in lesson. Everyday we meet bull headed people but their value on us is our ability to extract the bigger lesson for us. Buddy gave a foolish critique against the matched "timpani" technique when he forgot to mention that his snare was positioned slanted precisely because of his preference for a left handed traditional grip and that if any matched grip player would adjust their own set according to their own technique. He also remarkably doesn't even consider any other drummers choice or free will when it comes to their way of expressing themselves on a rather confirmative and over formulated instrument. For example of match grip suited you physically then that's all the reason in the world to use this method. I mean it's you on the set, if you were to conform to another's model you'd lose your own significance in another's ideal for the instrument. I mean why play at all if you were only to practice what others expected of you irrespective of your own preferences and feelings on the matter. Your journey, your will. Learn from the community but play it your way in the end. Look at what has since transpired in the drum community. Today some of the most celebrated drummers are heavy metal ones. Exactly the kind Buddy rich would have despised but this proves him wrong. He forgot the ears of the listener. We want all of it. Straight, swung, standard , odd, heavy light etc. All of which are valid musical devices any musician can willfully express without concern for rule of thought. Music born from self expression first, kept alive by study and adherence second
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Most drummers only have a handful of licks ( Gadd probably has even fewer ; just wait to hear that ba, do, boom lick and you won't have to wait very long) but they just apply them in a few different ways.
Generally he did that when he was playing mostly on the toms. Makes sense, since traditional grip was designed to capitalize on the rebound from the snare, which you don't get so much on the toms.
+Ben Dawn-Cross Actually homie it was carried over from marching snare. When snare drummers had to wear their snares on a diagonal strap it had a natural tilt so they had to invent the traditional grip to accommodate I. :)
+Alberto Patino Yeah, I know that, but one reason that some find it hard to use against a kit is because it works best against surfaces with a higher rebound capacity, such as a snare. Guys in Buddy's day usually had all of their drums, including their toms, tuned pretty high, so it wasn't an issue, but these days toms are gnerally tuned lower, so the rebound isn't quite as potent.
EuriLochus He's not pretentious at all. He's confident in abilities he actually possesses. Pretentious: attempting to impress by affecting greater importance, talent, culture, etc., than is actually possessed.
George Christiansen By your own provided definition of pretentious you confirmed he is EXACTLY that, even though you state the opposite. He is expressing greater importance/talent of using traditional grip over match grip as a drummer, when the fact is EVERYTHING he does here, and ever did, can be done equally as skilled using match grip. It's a matter of preference, not a matter of one is better than the other. Both grip styles can be equally as good by drummers with the proper skill levels. SO yes, he is pretentious. Not to say he isn't a drumming idol and damn good, and I get where he's coming from given the times and match being a newer thing and not the norm for the old-schoolers, but he is most definitely pretentious.
Steve Fox BUT the drummers you wold hold up as great probably do not could not come close to the late great Buddy Rich talent AND Buddy could have taught himself a lot quicker to do what those you admire do than the other way around, trust those words I keyed in
I think Neal Peart destroyed Buddy’s argument as he tried both grips. Also I think that the grip with which you started and how your kit is setup has something to do with it as well.
No, he really didn't. You see Buddy was my Uncle... So I do have a unique view to this one. As a kid I would watch Buddy play at home for between 3 - 7 hours straight every time I visited. He shared some of his immense insight on the subject with me. He was incredible. Later in life I became a Stagehand in Las Vegas. I worked with the hottest acts in the industry... Including Rush. Neil had a VERY LARGE drum kit, practically a drum for every tone. Neil couldn't come close to what Buddy did on a small Swinger land kit. And this is what they never understood about Buddy, he PURPOSELY worked a small kit and relied on hitting the drum in a particular spot to produce the desired tone. Less real estate means faster speed, and a traditional grip allows a faster trip around the kit.
@@KevinLee-ri9ko Thnks for your reply. I agree that nobody could work a small kit like Buddy. That is about the only size that would fit in a small jazz club. IMHO, in the end, it all comes down to opinion and we all have them.
@@KevinLee-ri9ko I would disagree. If you watch The tribute concert that Neil did, "Burning for Buddy", you'd see that Neil was just as talented on a small kit than he was on a big one. Neil worked with a big kit because he had a love for sound and (with the toms in particular) didn't want to be limited by the pitch of just 2-3 toms. If you look at the kit that Neil used in Fly By Night, he had a much smaller kit than his infamous Time Machine. I think what David was more pointing to was that match grip isn't inherently "wrong", it's just what you're playing. Look how far Buddy's snare is in this clip. It almost requires a traditional grip. If you watch "Cotton Tail" from "Burning For Buddy", you can see that rolls are just as doable in both grips. In either case, Buddy was extremely talented and the best at what he did, but immensely stuck in his ways.
@@davincimotorworksinc6710 Yes, while a definite rival of Buddy's, and while they had a mutual dislike of each other ,Gene was indeed one that Buddy respected.
Buddy is one of the greats, and I've never learned to play trad grip so I can't speak on the advantages and disadvantages with experience, but what I do love is how his example of the dumb shit these match grip kids do nowadays is a slow roll from snare to rack to floor tom. And then the next clip is him being comparatively "creative" which consists of him doing, basically, the exact same thing but faster.
@buttguy I SAID THE SAME THING TO MYSELF NOT 2 MINUTES AGO!!! Look, as a drummer I've always respected Buddy Rich, if not for just his playing, but also for being a "celebrity drummer" in an era where all the glory went to the singers or bandleaders of Big Band acts. That said I'm a rock guy and when I heard him say "musicians who cant play the drums form rock bands" (or words to that affect) it pissed me off. Not because it revealed some inner truth that I couldn't face, but rather because he's knocking an artform he clearly knows nothing about. He's also revealing his own insecurities and limitations as a drummer. because let's face it - if Frank Sinatra presented him with a song like The Beatles "Something" and asked him to come up with a rhythm, do you honestly think he'd come up with a part as simple yet effective like Ringo Starr did? Or could he do a 2-hour show with the intensity of John Bonham? No. So if HE doesn't want to be compared to others, he himself shouldn't compare what other drummers did to what he did. The man was a dick. Good drummer though.... 😎😎
tbh i know both traditional and match cus i was center snare for my drum line and play drum set. all i can really say is it was invented because of how snare drums when marched used to be tilted. there’s no advantage other than personally i feel ghost notes are slightly easier
I grew up using traditional grip because everyone did. Switched to match grip-- so much better. BTW the reason why traditional grip became standard was long before there were drum kits, drums were an instrument of war and 'drummers' wore their drums on a slant to their side.
I started trad, switched to matched. Around 2000 I lowered my hi-hat and started learning how to ride with the left hand so I didn't have to play with my arms crossed. Picked trad back up when I renewed my interest in playing swing because it just feels like the right way to play in that style. I did not, however, pick up a reverse trad so I could ride on the left; I kept it matched. The hardest thing was to get a good swing ride going in the left hand. What I wound up doing for practice was to put swing tunes on the headphones and sit there riding with *both* hands...the right hand actually taught the left; it made a difference in even just a few minutes.
Oh the irony in this video. He makes fun of drummers who use matched grip, implies that all they do is snare roles and going around the toms and brags about how it is the extend of their creativity, and then he goes on playing pretty much the same solo he has done for decades, containing mostly snare roles and fast tom passages. Funnily enough, he often used matched grip himself when it suited him, especially on tom passages. There are entire solos where he mostly plays matched grip. So yeah, how about starting with yourself, buddy (Pun intended) ? Now don't get me wrong, Buddy Rich to this day is one of the greatest drummes who ever walked on earth, his speed and technique was incredible and unmatched. What he played on 3 a piece kit is better than what many modern metal drumers with double base and over the top kits can do. He was an absolute master in what he did. But he is an absolute arse beyond that. Sadly, he let his ego get the better of him over time, thinking he is the best and his way of playing is the only right one which kinda limited his drumming. As great as he was in what he did, he failed to realize that drumming isn't just about speed, complexity and showing off. He was like a machine with incredible skills, but to me, he sometimes laked a bit of a soul, the fealing for the music and the groove and so on. He could have been even better if he was a bit more open minded.
Edelweiss Buddy had limited musical sense and abilities. Up close and personal it was easy to get scorched by his ferocity. However listening deeper revealed a shallowness.
So its better to just take everything as it is or even worship it? Sorry, I'm not that kind of guy. Buddy is/was one of the best drummes who ever lived if not the best and isnpired generations of drummers, no doubt about that. And he stayed true to himself and his character during his career and didn't fake something, I give him that. Doesn't change the fact he was an arse, legend or not.
I played using concert grip from 1964 until 1980. In 1980 and still today I play using match grip. I changed the position of my drums to accommodate match grip and then taught my left hand everything my right hand knows and it changed everything for me. I also began playing double bass drum in 1980 and still do today. However when I first began playing drums in 1964 I learned many of Buddy Rich’s drumming techniques using concert grip and apply his drumming techniques today using match grip. But when I play with brushes I resort back to concert grip and when I’m playing in high energy rock band (yes, today .. currently) and need to do a press roll I use concert grip because that’s the grip I learned to use especially for those techniques. Happy Holidays and Blessings to All!!
While I dont agree with him completely, I think learning traditional grip have its advantages too. Ive started playing traditional grip recently and it has improved my stick control and independence a lot. Learn as much techniques as possible, It opens up more possibilities to your playing
The only reason I don't agree with him is because I dismiss anyone who says any way to play drums is strait up "wrong" Ahah but also the way his kit is set up. I started as a trad player first when I was a kid then switched to match grip. It makes so little difference that I'll be half way through a song sometimes and realise I've switched grips 😂
Every single video I've watched of Buddy Rich is nothing but a video of him showing off his speed. Not once have a felt the urge to tap my foot or felt a groove. Play a fuckin' beat once in a while.
You must not watch/listen to much Buddy Rich in that case. There are times you wouldn't even be able to tell that he's the drummer on a track because he doesn't take big solos or crazy fills. Perfect example is when he plays brushes on "Ballade" with Bird and Hawkins. Perhaps his most popular videos are of his solos, but you need to actually do your research my dude! Listen to groovin' hard, where we doesn't take a solo, but still completes his masterpiece with a driving groove and tasteful fills.
Traditionnally, the "traditional" grip was a way to play the snare drum WHILE MARCHING (since it was tilted). The drum set, as we know it today, doesn't require to play traditionnal since thrre is NO need for the tilt on the snare drum. I play both traditionnal and matched grip, but find matched to be more natural physically than traditionnal. Buddy Rich, although I love him dearly, was just having a bad day in this video!🤣🤣🤣
This BUDDY RICH video shouldn't have any negative comments. Everyone that doesn't understand what the greatest drummer in history is saying should sell their drums and quit playing for ever!
Thoughts going into this video: "I usually use traditional grip, but I never thought much as to why. Maybe this video will be beneficial to my progress as a drummer." Thoughts after this video: "Ok, boomer."
@@StamfordBridge So you started and ended with dragging someone you don't even know over a comment that's clearly a joke to defend one of the most pompous douchebags in the history of jazz? Bit sad.
Mr Rich was a great drummer but he had a serious attitude problem when it came to music,the video where he slams country music and Chet Atkins is an incredible display of arrogance and snobbery.....music is not all about speed,complexity and the listener having to struggle to figure it out.
SongSwan As much as i love B.R.!!! He couldn’t stand to see someone who he considered mediocre, make 3 times as much money as he made!!!! He had a serious jealousy & envy problem when it came to who was making the big...Do Re Mi!! Especially if they didn’t play Jazz!!!!!!
buck ewer except that he was a brilliant innovator, bandleader, and as not only a soloist, but as accompanist, he was the greatest ever. For real. I saw him live twice. He had huge ears, reacted to every soloist beautifully, fed the soloists with idea after idea, pushed the band when needed, pulled them back when they needed it. The man was a master. ruclips.net/video/NgU5qZi2TOs/видео.html
Ive been drumming for 30 years and even played pro for 8. With traditional grip I found I could not get sufficient power to the snare. It felt awkward and clunky. Plus it makes cymbal choking impossible.
Jeff Walker have you ever listened to Stewart Copeland? He uses his own traditional grip and can hit pretty hard. Also, I play his way too and cymbal choking it’s very easy, just practice!
Buddy Rich is basically like my music teacher my music teacher believes that the only way to play bass is by using your fingers and basically treat us pick players as if we're breaking a sin
Nothing wrong with a pick, it gives a different tone and more potential speed. Many bassists are against it because they are traditionalists, no other reason.
That kind of absolutist bullshit gives all music instructors a bad name. "finger's joints problem"? No such thing. Oh, the wacky stuff you read on the internet. I think the most impressive pick player I've ever heard is Roger Waters.
His playing was ahead of its time, and probably remains so, but his attitude was very much of its time, and that of a snob to boot. I'd never abide him as someone to play with, but I admire him as a player.
I love the shear aggression and power in this solo, it screams of i'm the best even if there was a tiny miss hit. It also proves that you don't need a huge kit or to throw your arms around like a baboon to drum up a storm. Back in the day he knew he was the greatest and time and again he would stamp his masterful authority all over the drum kit . To this day his presence can be felt and drummers world wide still honer him as the ultimate drummer that will never be equaled
It's mostly other musicians that still think he's some great drummer. Drummers have moved on. He isn't creative, and not being able to play a big kit well isn't a strength. This is a video where he is trying to show how he is better than everyone else and he still makes a big mistake he can't hide.
john bonham & ian paice played small kits with bug drums like their idol buddy rich. also ric lee of ten years after(listen to "hobbit" from TYA live). buddy was & will always be the yardstick of drumming!
To everyone sucking buddy and saying he's right just remember, he wasn't even using match grip right he was using french timpani grip. and his snare was way too close for match grip to work. I'm not saying traditional is bad, all I'm saying is buddy was criticizing a grip he clearly doesn't know how to use
French grip is still match grip. French, American, German..as long as you're holding the stick the same way it's considered matched. The position of your palm (which is the only difference in those three grips) is the only difference.
Don't forget also that rich always had his snare tilted so that it was angled away from his body...try playing match grip with that type of snare set up.It's REALLY uncomfortable...so he really had his drums set up to accommodate his favorite grip.That doesn't mean the grip itself is better.
I can't believe the comments I'm reading. Everyone, on both sides, needs to chill the fuck out. I use matched grip but Buddy is more than entitled to his opinion. It's Buddy Fucking Rich, who are we to tell him he's wrong?
“Traditionally” sticks were held matched. Going back to the time of native drumming, they didn’t hold the sticks in different positions. It was when drums were worn over the shoulder with a strap while going to war that the left hand grip was changed to be able to articulate the snare since it was at an angle. “Traditional” grip is matched grip, not marching. There’s nothing “traditional” about holding one stick in an awkward position. If you put a child in front of a drum (which is on a stand) and he or she has never watched someone else play drums, they will “NATURALLY” pick up the sticks in a matched position. Buddy was a great drummer, but that doesn’t mean he knew everything about drumming. His assertions here display a sense of pseudo-intellectualism. Just shows how ideas get perpetuated because people make false idols out of people like this.
J Bay you posted some basic useful info for those not in the know, you also made some reasonable points of sorts, but you also concluded using logic assumption w/that which you condemn the late great truly masters master, Buddy Rich, that he did not know everything AND neither do you, BUT He was a master jazz drummer. Also like many in this entire subject matter AND consequential posts few if any acknowledge that traditional 1hand, trad left-hand martial cradled grip IS MUCH MORE Difficult to learn let alone master to pros level lest the levels of difficulty the great Buddy Rich attained as just a child let alone his life's journey prigressions , trad-grip has the ability to allow truly unique now dated AND dying techniques styles most esp on hi-hats feathering & top to bottom playing showpiece tactical methods, obviously both grips have advantages disadvantages, but Buddy Rich left a legend of great drumming, drum music & music.
@@douglasknoll3500 I think his main point was that the whole video sounded like: “ traditional is good and match is bad because I’m buddy rich and I say so.” He wasn’t ever doubting his ability on the instrument. Buddy rich is also not that much of a virtuoso and there were many drummers of his time that were better than him. He was also known to be an a-hole sometimes. Buddy is indeed a legend on the drums, but he is often played up to be this absolute god which isn’t entirely true.
I think you hit the nail on the head here, nobody's denying he was brilliant and one of the all time greatest. But that also doesn't mean he was infallible and everything he had to say on the matter of drumming was objectively correct. Most brilliant technical drummers these days use matched and can do the exact same things as demonstrated here.
ok so what i got from this is that traditional isn’t traditional because match was used first. but i disagree. match is original but traditional is really called that because the only reason it’s still around is tradition.
CM you have a point of interest to some point to point out, however impressive presentation along w/complete command or what appears to be so of ones musical interest insrtument hopefully of choice, can be awe inspiringly appreciable let alone, yet combined w/ being capable of bringing us mere mortals closer to the true Supreme Being of perfection AND Creation
THIS LOL. I started playing drums in college in the early 90's. I chose traditional grip 100% because of Alex Van Halen in the video to "Finish What Ya Started". It looked SO FUCKING COOL.
The worst kind of argument. "But you can't do it/do better so you can't talk bad about it" I'm sure bernie is not able to play a Buddy Rich drum solo but he also was not talking down upon the creativity of other drummers. Just pointing out how very hypocritical Rich is
I'm not a big Buddy Rich fan, but, haven't most of the worlds great jazz, rock and blues musicians been playing their same solos for 25 years? And classical musicians just play the same pieces note for note all of their musical lives. You comment is a stupid one. If you are going to hate, then, have a point of some return.
Quite a bold statement! But the popularity of the West Side Story medley always wanted to be heard,guess you havent listened to His Discography? He was a Perfectionist!
He unintentionally hit his stick. I say unintentionally because usually, everything Buddy did was with extreme precision and purpose. I can hardly believe the -man- machine actually made a mistake, but he did.
I've learn both grips, but the reason anybody plays that way is because it was necessary to do so in military snare drumming which came long before the drum kit and it was perceived as the only Technic at the time and carried over into drum kit playing
The irony is when he criticizes drummers that use match grip for doing rolls and fills...Then the video cuts to him doing the same things he criticized match grip drummers for.
While yes he can play this fast simplistic standard snare to tom fill, if you watch he is playing tons of different stick rudiments throughout with blazing speed. Say what you want about his attitude but the guy chops wise was an elite player.
@buck ewer he wasn't just about speed, the way he could play all the drum rudiments is incredible and when he played with a big band he always complimented the music with all kinds of creativity. Believe me he blows away a lot of even today's drummers, but a lot of today's drummers were definitely influenced by him. My drum teacher years ago actually met him and he's told me many stories of him. The guy was a very gifted and very practiced drummer in all ways around the kit.
Not a very convincing argument. He deliberately plays shitty when demonstrating match grip. If it was superior then why wouldn't you hold both sticks like the left hand in traditional grip? It's not like the right and left hands are different structurally. Hands match and so should the grip. Mic drop!
He wasn't saying that the hand was different. He was saying that the roles they play when drumming on a full kit are distinctly different from each other. His point was when you hold your sticks with a match grip, the left stick gets in the way of the right stick when you're trying to move around the kit a lot like he does. When you play guitar your hands do different things but both of your hands are still the same structurally.
+Crimson Sunrise I disagree w/ one part of your statement. The vice versa. I have never seen a drummer consistently ride w/ that traditional left-hand grip.
He said "The drum way"..WTF? He created his own term. For a guy that sweated so much, why did he wear sweaters? If I was playing and the sweat was dripping from my nose, I think I would dress lighter the next time.
Remember kids Buddy Rich always says the right things because I watched a lot Of his solos and I learn a lot of stuff from him and now I play traditional grip very good
Mike Oneill From this video and all his asshole fanboys im kinda glad he is too. It’s FUCKEN art not the Olympic Games Half these asshats are all “faster is better” or whatever but when I live my life this prick ain’t in the soundtrack I assure you.
For about 3 seconds at 1:15, he does what was a signature sound of Narada Michael Walden's during his time with the Mahavishnu Orchestra. It's ferocious.
+Tracy S I'm left handed but my teacher didn't care so I learned the " right handed" traditionnal grip, don't want to start over, useless for me, match grip it is...
+Tracy S I'm the exact same, I had to completely re-learn how to play the drums efficiently because I switched, but it was all completely worth it. It's even better amongst people who use matched grip, as you look kind of pretentious which is always a fun bonus.
add Dennis Chambers, Chris Coleman, Eric Moore, Benny Greb, Thomas Lang to that list...plus a few hundreds other monster drummers who play matched grip.
May 1969 Chicago . I saw the Buddy Rich Orchestra open for THE WHO (1 st Tommy tour) . I was 25 feet away from 2 of my favorite players. And I still have a pair of Keith s sticks from that show !
@@cleorivas6098 Style , no. Attack , yes. Keith and Buddy respected each other. Both put the drums up front,in your face. Not just in the rhythm section but as lead players. I saw the Who 12 times with Keith. I saw Buddy once. Everyone has their faves but these 2 brought that " dangerous magic" to the gig. Take Care
I love Buddy Rich, but disagree with him on grip. And so does Thomas Lang who used traditional grip for years. He switched a few years ago stating that it was not advantageous to todays drumming. I learned traditional grip from my first teacher in 1962 but found matched much easier to get around the kit and use it 90% of the time.
Yes I have seen that interview and I remember in an interview with Virgil Donati too when asked about matched VS traditional ,he said something similar to what lang mentioned ,like traditional isnt better and in general theres no big difference it's just the way he was taught to play. I play both I switched from matched to traditional in a certain time cause I became more influenced by Lang ,Donati, Colauita and found it cooler ,at first it felt harder and inconvenient but after a long time of practice it feels the opposite to me ,traditional feels better.Personally I noticed its all related to how much work you put in it. What BR said here about the advantage of traditional over the matched can be argued in the same way by someone who prefer matched grip thus makes his statement invalid
yah yah yah.....Mr.Lang rarely uses traditional due to carpal tunnel he suffered but healed back in 2009 i believe,(i'm a match grip player) there are pros and cons for each posture in executing rudimentals or physically around the kit in the long term.
You know, that's a prime example of personal preference. If you want to really get down to it, it's proven that medically, matched grip makes more sense; second of all, he didn't actually explain why traditional was better; third, all he had to say was: "I'm Buddy Rich and I use traditional grip."
Way ahead of his time . There was a reason why he was the best of that time and its because I feel that he didn't conform to what others thought was the norm. Mr Rich earned his respect.
Also, he literally did his childhood growing up and drum practice on stage in front of people as a kid. He was a child vaudeville star of his day. He had supreme confidence as a performer due to this. I dont think there will ever be a situation where somebody will get to grow up in those circumstances again.
I made a Watch Msuic please subscribe for more Someone good enough at drumming could definitely do the entire solo he just played using match stick grip. His argument for it was terrible. I use the term argument loosely, because he didn’t even really have an argument. He’s a really good drummer, but he’s clearly a delusional about his preferred grip. He should’ve just said “This is just the grip I use because it’s what I’m comfortable with.” It’s about what’s comfortable for you. You’re not gonna be better because you use one grip over another.
Had Buddy first learned matched grip, he'd be making exactly the opposite statement. There are countless amazingly impressive examples in both camps. Fundamentally it's not about the sticks are held. It's about the talent, skill, and dedication of the person holding them.
What are you stupid, dumb or both? I would guess....BOTH! If you have a just a little bit of knowledge about the diversity of music styles, you'll notice, that jazz playing requires traditional grip in order to implement the necessary emotion, feeling, and freedom that it requires. Other forms of music like rock for example require an overhanded grip to impose power and a strong back beat, since the drummer is locked into the rhythm.
Johnny TheMUSICmaN Ah, but now you've turned grip style into an "apples to oranges" stylistic comparison. Traditional may be better for certain styles, but you've also just conceded that matched grip is better for others. If A is not ALWAYS better than B, then any blanket statement about its superiority is rendered false. Besides, most of the great Jazz players learned traditional in the first place, so naturally their expression is best presented that way, but it's either ignorant or arrogant to presume that, if somebody only learns matched grip, they'll never have adequate finesse or expression just because they don't walk in the same footsteps as those who came before. By the way, in the context of your opening question (the insult that contributed nothing constructive to the conversation), "dumb" and "stupid" are synonymous, so if somebody is one, then that person is automatically both. Thus, the question itself is stupid. Anybody who would ask the question...is.
OmniphonProductions Your comment statement is reflective of your own personal terminological inexactitude, that most assuredly dwells within your deranged psyche; and, speaks of the confused and convoluted state of mind that surely had generated this disparity. The lack of neuronal, axon, and synapse connectivity that constitutes rational thought processes is void in your case. This diffuse dysfunction is spurred by the brains' hypothalamus, and may have originated by sequential hormonal over-saturation, a physical structural displacement abnormality at birth, and a genetic predisposition. A brain scan will reveal most or all of your illness. Best of luck.
Johnny TheMUSICmaN Well, I suppose if one is going to contribute a comment that is utterly lacking in any substantive content, one should at least make it interesting. Kudos! That was, without a doubt, the coolest and most intelligent-sounding nothing I've ever read.
OmniphonProductions Since my previous statement may have been misunderstood and misconstrued by you because it may have been well beyond your capacity to comprehend, I'll simplify it for you. Your previous comment was completely incoherent and utterly ignorant. In all probability, it was scripted by a person (you), with a confused state of mind, and/or a limited capacity for thought. Of course my pseudo-intellectual moronic friend; as someone who espouses to writing lackluster contextual statements of meaningless rhetoric, you surely must be the expert. The descriptive term: 'Substantive", is beyond your interpretation. Stick with the analogy: "Nothing"...It sounds much more like you and the nonsensical stupidity that you post.
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This is basically him just saying,"traditional grip is right because that's what I use and I'm buddy rich."
Yeah. There are plenty of great solos by drummers who use matched grip.
I am playing the drums for 35 years now. Traditional grip is the way for me. Sure, you can do great solos with matched grip, not going to argue with that. But, like the man says, traditional gives you more flexibility, especially with drum rolls. But let's not split hairs and enjoy this video :).
I just watched a video of him in the 60's doing a solo in matched grip.
yeah, not like his. and not even the one here, which is very subdued for him, actually
Yeah, he's even got that mad angle on his snare to accommodate for traditional grip (which only exists because of the slant slings gave marching snares), which makes it impossible for him to use match.
They're actually completely equal, they strike the drum identically. That's why these modern drum corps are able to use it, despite a demand for extreme precision with every stroke (something jazz doesn't necessarily demand).
If traditional grip is so good, how come he´s dead?
This killed me 😂
Phil Underhill it killed him too
😂 lmao
💀💀💀
Best comment by far
Even the way he said "shit" matched the tempo.
You caught that too. Wasn't it cool!!! I love Buddy.
Gražvydas Dimbelis you clearly weren’t following
I can t do a lot of what Buddy can do BUT I can say shi* as good or BETTER than he can . Thank you Buddy !!
I was saying shit as a kid by the time I put in my Gladwell 10 thousand hours I had moved on to "Fuck Balls". Good to see Buddy remembered the basics.
He literally kept the “shit” within the triplet feel 😂
Scary part is even played at half speed his drumming is stupid fast
I find you on the weirdest videos dude
With perfect separation between notes
Uhm billy Cobham? And billy had the better posture then buddy
@@ciabound Billy was very good but nobody was a match for Buddy not even Neil or Carl. Not Bonzo or Keith either.
@@mikereiss4216 bruh billy smashes every single drummer you listed
"aggh, SHIT" - Buddy Rich
"lets go outside and i'll show you what its like" :P
i enjoyed it too
Love how he says it in time.
Carl Palmer The Sheriff intro
Way back in the day, when I was in 8th grade, first year playing jazz. We were doing the annual jazz festival at our school for all of west washington. I had the solo after the break in night in tunisia. It was my first year playing jazz so my director Matt Armstrong, one of the best music teachers in the world, had me transcribe a solo from north texas jazz band. I worked at it for months til it was as perfect as an 8th grader could get it.
So here we are, day of the gig, were up there playing and my hearts goin 200 mph, we get to the part right before the break where theres that unison descending triads part, and I'm fumbling around with the mic trying to find the on switch, not realizing the sound guys had control over that. The break happens and I freeze. Dead air and I went " awww SHIT" right into the mic, which unbeknownst to me, was on.
As embarrassing as it was, I never screwed up a solo after that again, and I realized that was probably the worst thing I'd ever do onstage. To this day, if I get butterflies before performing I think of that and laugh and it calms me right down.
Hi Buddy, I think the problem is the angle of your snare drum, it would be very tricky to play match grip like that. Try angling it a bit flatter and try again. Hope you post another video showing your progress.
Not heard of this guy but he seems pretty talented, I hope his career takes off soon!
All the best
Nelson
tututuims ieijebdo wooooossshhhh
tututuims ieijebdo - Film cinematography has also been dead for years.
That is funny, I would say you have been around for a long time
Nelson Sweatyballs I cringed so hard reading this
@@vandanasharma9997 I believe he died in 1987 - I remember where I was when I heard the news.
Why is traditional grip better? Here watch me demonstrate how hard it is to play around a kit with matched grip, ignoring the fact that my kit is ergonomically set up for traditional.
most of the people here aren't drummers... or are just people that sit down, play a beat and think they are drummers. real drummers are living a life within rhythm and beat. it doesn't stop when they leave the throne. however, no one here seems to recognize that the old hardware on those sets were junk... he developed his style, n every drummer produces their set up to be within their own abilities and demands. buddy rich demanded the most style and speed. functional style, not just flash and glam... so obviously his drumset is set up to his style and needs. he didn't have a rack system... most of the old mounts were one position and that was it. no ball joints... they were extremely limiting, so you developed around that to get the most out of it that you could.
@@treatb09Good point.
I hugged a bee once...
@@treatb09 when referring to the older kits, are you talking about drum hardware when buddy rich first started playing drums, or the state of drum hardware in 1977 when this was recorded?
@@tonedoctagon until about the mid 80's hardware wasn't really capable of handling aggression. the expertise buddy has isn't just speed, but he won't hit a cymbal hard enough that the stand collapses. aggressive drummers will break their stands because they can't slow dow in the moment right before hitting the cymbal. speed isn't everything.
@RUclips Türkiye Müdür real musicians don't measure themselves by how someone else is/was. sure we develop speed, but its not to be buddy rich.... i'm not sitting in front of a crowd demonstrating his technique to say, " hey guys, i'm like buddy rich..." i wrote my own style and developed it since i was a natural drummer. basically a prodigy, but i quit drums 14 years ago. played guitar for 12, and wanted to play drums again. i still can play things more complicated than most people could ever learn, and its natural to me. what does that matter though? its just that i don't have that stamina to be able to skate 8 hours a day, play drums 6 hours straight anymore... i do have some of the best drums ever made though, and i have learned a certain care that i replaced with technicality when i was younger.
When I was young, I asked my drum teacher if I should learn traditional grip. He asked "are you planning on playing in a marching band, with your snare at your side?" I said no... and he said "then there's no point learning traditional."
I still think he's right.
I’m glad you understand this. I’ve had countless arguments about the same thing with die hard traditional grip players.
My favorite one is Thomas Lang saying basically that "I started learning traditional, because I had played matched grip my whole life and I wanted a challenge." Or something like that.
@@Nmdixon-cu7vm it’s a matter of personal preference for me, I play both matched and traditional on drumset and I think they both have their perks!
And that's why George Bernard Shaw said, "He who can, does. He who can't, teaches." I think I will go with Buddy on this one.
@@mc76 That quote is nonsense, as it implies no one who is successful would also teach.
In music, that isn't the case. I've had two drum teachers, and both didn't teach for the money, but because they loved teaching. They both made plenty of money in the industry playing in well known bands.
And, just because you excel at something, doesn't necessarily mean you'll teach it well. Buddy Rich is self-evidently a top tier drummer, but his ergonomics are damaging.
If you prefer traditional grip, you don't need Buddy Rich to back you, but his comments about not having the room with matched grip are nonsense.
the coke was great back then
Yes it was! PURE Cane Sugar instead of High Fructose Corn Syrup! ;-)
LMAO
BASS MARINO believe it or not, BR was straight edge, and kind of a health nut.
BASS MARINO indeed
Gary Teves Bullshit!!! he loved his
pot and was a pot head!!!! 100% true!!
Traditional grip is a necessity if you have the snare angled down, away from you as most jazz drummers have always done. That tradition was inherited from marching drums where you braced the drum against your leg as you walked. Most modern rock drummers have compensated for this by simply tilting the snare back towards them which makes the more comfortable matched grip just as easy to employ 😊
I play matched grip and have my snare angled away from me. But I play grind core and black metal. The angle helps with rebound for blast beats.
@@boobtubenoob7061 : that's an interesting take on it. Do you have it sit a little lower to compensate?
Thanks for explaining without being a disrespectful asshole like the rest of the turds on this comment board.
@@ErickC no actually! I used to sit pretty low as I felt it allowed me to get more power out of the bass drum and I’d have my snare flat, but as I’ve moved towards faster playing I’ve raised my seat so my knees are very slightly lower than my hips and angled the snare away, it also gives more volume in the snare cos I get near enough a rim shot automatically with every hit.
And I haven’t lost much, if any power in the kick tbh.
I'm so sorry for him never founding the snare stand's wingnut.
Ikr
Very underrated post. Forty eight likes is way too low
This needs more likes
hahaha good one
LMAO
Buddy Rich is correct. When I go fishing I always use traditional grip on the rod. It just feels more natural. Kids these days know nothing.
*Snorts a tablespoon of plant food*
@@musopaul5407 Dude same! Did we have the same one?
The trick is to always keep the fish on a fulcrum
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Wasn't expecting the plant food punchline.
Neither was my keyboard, nor the floor next to my desk, which is where most of the coffee that came out of my mouth and nose ended up upon reading your comment.
Chapeau, good sir.
(Guffaws)
"Those damn teens with their matched grips and their pants all hangin down need to get off my damn lawn!"
Ok boomer
@@drummeralbertrivera9577 ....Of course he's a boomer...cause he plays the drums....Ha, Ha, Ha.....Get it..????
greatbyrondo Yup!
Hahaha
Once I started playing a drum set I stopped playing Trad grip. I read an article but I think it was Terry Bozzio interview and he talked about trying to play the tom-toms that were on his left that he couldn't actually hit playing traditional grip. Matched grip opens up the drum set if you have a lot of drums.
Buddy rich:" modern drummers only go brrrrr"
Buddy rich: does the exact same
“That’s the extent of their imagination” *proceeds to do nothing but play super fast and just hit in different places* (the follow string of shit you will see in this comment section is some of the most fun I have ever had in the cesspool that is RUclips comments)
Apothe Curio LMAO nice job summing up drumming in a sentence mate. “Just hit in different places”. Yeah, thats called drumming buddy. Nice job trying to bash him with your straight up horse-shit though.
Apothe Curio LOL that solo was fucking sick. Not even an actual solo of his anyways, but if youre gonna tell me that that solo sucked then youre just full of shit
Apothe Curio Imagine calling fucking buddy rich an “uncreative drummer”. Even if youre just saying that this one solo was “uncreative”, then your whole argument is pointless anyways.
Apothe Curio ok
Well that clears that up.
Thanks for the laugh!
What is this man doing here
>Bashes drummers who like matched grip because "durr they just like to play fast and loud"
>Does the exact same with traditional grip immediately after
okay Buddy
Lmao buddy
No other drummer in the history of music can play like him, and it’s not even close.
And hits quite a few unintentional rim shots during that cacophany. 🙄
@@andrewr4792 sorry dude but guys like tony williams, vinnie colaiuta, marco minneman could easily beat this guys ass.
i may get flamed for this because he plays brilliant big band music but to me every buddy rich solo sounds the same
The only correct grip is the one you feel most comfortable using......imho.
Wiser InTime gotta be a jerk to get tha chicks
Stevie Ross the only correct answer.
totalmente !!!!
True, it's just that it's hard to reach around the drums with cross.
I agree with you on that issue,whatever way you feel most comfortable with.
He bashed kids for not having “creativity”, and said the same thing about other genres of music, yet his entire set consisted of jazz standards and covers.
I don't really understand why people cream themselves over buddy rich. He just did fast rolls.
Chris Serpicø
I agree
If I find myself craving a drum solo, I might click one of his on RUclips, maybe. The title of this video caught me.
There are far more musical and interesting jazz drummers out there. What was Rich’s legacy in terms of landmark recordings? He loved to rag on counter music in its day as being for simpletons, but he was pretty meat & potatoes as a drummer. He was more of a performer than a man who participated in ensembles.
He fit well in Carson as an entertainer.
@@TronciM Mostly it just stems from him being the pioneer or godfather of jazz drumming as it is today. There defiantly is and was many much better drummers but he kinda originated a lot of techniques and inspired many
He wss an asshole. Sure he wss the best. Hands down. But he was stuck in a narrow minded my way or the highway warp.
Probably one of my favorite solos of his because it’s not solely based on the snare drum for once
I was thinking the same thing. Nearly every other solo I've heard from him is just him riding the snare
That bit where he says "but you can't do the same thing up here on the snare drum" is the ultimate no-explanation explanation 0:16
The irony about that statement, as myself and my drum teacher were discussing, is that actually playing traditional grip initially limits what you can do, as opposed to match grip. I suspect Buddy just had his snare drum too close for a match grip roll to work effectively. However, Buddy was growing up in a world where the drumkit was being invented, and loads of people went from drumline to drumkit, hence why practically everyone up until the British Invasion used traditional grip
+x1StapleGun Traditional grip isn't even for drummers, as you know it is used in marching bands. Matched grip is more versatile, even percussionists prefer it to the traditional one, and more natural, just give a pair of sticks to a little kid.
Roberto Ricci yeah. However, I don't know why, but using traditional grip better suits using brushes and/or playing Motown
Traditional grip suits certain styles. I've heard jazz played with matched and there's something about it, the snare dynamics aren't right. A good drummer personally would learn to use both because they can both be damn useful at points
Don Williamson Yeah, that works. And like I said, I play traditional when playing motown
+Roberto Ricci It's good for jazz in that the angle in traditional grip, you can have the tip very close to the surface of the snare. It makes it good for those light dynamics on the snare in jazz. You can learn to do this with matched grip but its probably naturally easier to be able to get those dynamics with traditional grip.
I met Buddy in Minneapolis at a concert and was a devoted fan. He was the greatest...however, he was WRONG on the matched grip vs. the traditional grip. The traditional grip developed from marching with a drum and tipping the snare so it wouldn't bang against your leg and forced you to hold the left hand through the fingers to hit the drum easier.
A matched grip can get around the left or right side faster and easier than an un-natural traditional grip. Buddy simply played that way all his life and could have done it just as well or better if he started with matched.
+jamieseiple You're absolutely right.
I agree with you jamieseiple. When I started watching this video, although Buddy Rich is my drum god, I disagree with his assertion that all you can do is, essentially 32nd note rolls around the drums, with matched grip
I don't see why you can't play with the same dynamics and expression with match grip, that he does with traditional grip
Matched grip dynamics and expression just requires fine finger control, just like traditional grip does
+jamieseiple Even though how good he was, and even I think trad grip has it's uses, his statements here are just bs. Apart from his incredible skills he was known for his huge ego and being a dick.
GOD BROKE THE MOLD WHEN HE MADE BUDDY: THE HAND SPEED AROUND THE DRUMKIT IS SECOND TO NONE!!! RIP BUDDY ❤
My personal percussion teacher, Tony DeNicola, played with the Harry James Orchestra for 20 years (he was in a Jerry Lewis movie with the band LoL). He was close friends with Buddy, and he never pulled me away from matched grip. Hell, he's the one who introduced me to the reason for conventional grip and the snare hanging from the side. Just play how you're comfortable. If you get the sound you need, that's all that matters.
John Hurley Tony was my teacher, too. Great guy. I studied with him at Trenton State for months before I saw him in the gig. For weeks after, I was afraid to play in front of him. Scary dude.
I don't doubt Buddy's skill but based on his "explanation" I can't help but think he would've been an awful teacher. I honestly think that this was a different time and everyone used traditional because everyone who played snare drum was traditional, although both styles have their advantages, and in the end it's all about the comfort of the player. Buddy loved traditional and hated matched, but when he explains it he sounds like a conceited ass. And while grip is important it shouldn't affect creativity, unless it's uncomfortable and fucks you up
He likely would've been a bad teacher because he never received formal music education. Even after he became well known he flat out refused to do it because he thought it would ruin his artistic style....so I guess buddy rich kind of earned his being an ass rights lol
Johnny TheMUSICmaN Jesus, sorry. I said nothing about jazz by the way I just don't think he really gave any explanation for why he likes traditional, the one you gave isn't that great either by the way please break it down for me oh, wise master of the drum set. You should write a book I'll totally buy it :3
RichardFilmoure fun fact, buddy actually made a video (which is still on RUclips) explaining why he does prefer traditional to match grip. In short it comes down to his ability to move around the set
batman32451 can't find it...link please and thank you?
RichardFilmoure Buddy Rich on why he doesn't use match grip: ruclips.net/video/v0V4Aqs2D48/видео.html
i believe he couldnt use match because his snare position.
yes, it's a bit funny, He tells, Matched Grip is'nt pretty Good for playing the snare Drum, but all the people using it have anothee snare Drum Position.
no shit, he's a jazz drummer, his style requires you to do more rim shots (rim and skin at same time) and if you put it into modern position then it's harder to do having to drop your shoulders more which slows your rhythm.. most modern drummers dont incorporate the rim shot consistently like he does so thats why he has his drum positioned that way.. so if you wanna be able to do ALL styles not just one style then his drum is in the correct position, since its not used as much anymore is why everyone is used to seeing it positioned front down.. same reason drum lines have it angled flat or front up to make the rim shot easier and traditional grip. It was the style of the time..
so dont judge, appreciate what he did for his time and understand to him and so many before him, this was the correct way, just because they worry about drum rolls on the toms more these days, dont hate on the OG! Neither is wrong now a days, but for the drummer who wants to be good at every level and style, it IS the correct style! Not putting anything against people like neil peart, they just cant be compared, totally different styles!!
He actually did use matched occasionally but I think he was infinitely more comfortable playing traditional, having used it since he was 3 as Traps the Drum Wonder.
To those that say its hard to play matched grip with the way Buddy has his snare positioned if you think about it his right hand is holding the stick as you would with matched.Also to those that say traditional grip is superior wouldn't you hold both sticks the same (i.e. As Buddy holds his left hand stick)... Just curious
william weir I know what you mean. if the snare is tilted away from me, traditional makes sense, otherwise my left hand would hit the rim constantly. I think if you're a right handed drummer, the right hand (dominant hand) will adapt to any angle regardless of what the other hand is doing (same if you're a left handed drummer). Playing the right hand upturned like the left, it would make it very impractical to play the cymbals. I think traditional grip reflects the hands' purpose in a jazz setting: the dominant hand is the primary action (cymbal player, time keeper) and is held in a French grip to accommodate the widest amount of surfaces (for soloing or complicated fills). The weak hand is upturned for easier dragging across the toms and snare, and for easier ghost notes. But that might just be me rambling...
this is one of the drummers that Neil Peart idolized. Neil used both the traditional grip and the matched grip, depending on what he was doing. I've seen him switch back and forth multiple times in one song.
Neil started using some matched grip later in his career as a way of reinventing himself. There's a good video on RUclips in which he talks a bout it -- search "neil peart matched grip"
Same with me.
Buddy Rich is a great drummer however he is one of the most egotisitcal and narrsasistic people I ever heard speak. So many drummers have proven him wrong.
E Kap can you give me some examples of some drummers? not countering you, just wanting to know.
@@user-id2dx4qd6j ari hoenig, brian blade, billy cobham, jojo mayer, etc.
WillBurhans Eric Moore, Max Roach
@@user-id2dx4qd6j Lars Ulrich.
@@RB-tx4mn Hold up right there
Buddy thinks he's un-matched but he should get a grip
Knight192 there is one better than buddy rich, NEIL PEART
@@aristotle5698 nope. A great drummer but not even close to buddy's level
Carter Morris neil’s playing has no soul..... boring
Neil Peart 😂😂😂😂
Carter Morris you should ask Neil about that one
"You can't play properly with match grip... see?"
*intentionally plays terribly because he knows it is quite possible to play with match grip*
Sam that is true BUT you know for the MST part that trad cradle martial arts grip is more difficult to learn AND has benefits including once one becomes comfortable wth it in execution you can always or almost so mix in much easier matched grip
Reminds me of my old drum teacher. He showed me that you cannot have good volume control with heel up by literally slamming the beater into the bass drum as hard as he could 🤣
That's what your boyfriend said too, about your slammed bass drum...!
It's soo funny! "You can't...*clangs around the drum kit*...play anything"
I love this guy and the right way to remember him is with a pinch of salt. He was stubborn in thought but valuable in lesson. Everyday we meet bull headed people but their value on us is our ability to extract the bigger lesson for us. Buddy gave a foolish critique against the matched "timpani" technique when he forgot to mention that his snare was positioned slanted precisely because of his preference for a left handed traditional grip and that if any matched grip player would adjust their own set according to their own technique. He also remarkably doesn't even consider any other drummers choice or free will when it comes to their way of expressing themselves on a rather confirmative and over formulated instrument. For example of match grip suited you physically then that's all the reason in the world to use this method. I mean it's you on the set, if you were to conform to another's model you'd lose your own significance in another's ideal for the instrument. I mean why play at all if you were only to practice what others expected of you irrespective of your own preferences and feelings on the matter. Your journey, your will. Learn from the community but play it your way in the end. Look at what has since transpired in the drum community. Today some of the most celebrated drummers are heavy metal ones. Exactly the kind Buddy rich would have despised but this proves him wrong. He forgot the ears of the listener. We want all of it. Straight, swung, standard , odd, heavy light etc. All of which are valid musical devices any musician can willfully express without concern for rule of thought. Music born from self expression first, kept alive by study and adherence second
i ain’t reading all that🤣
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Buddy rich : *talks about creativity*
Also Buddy rich: *literally plays the exact fills and notes in each and every solo he does*
i haven't seen and heard much of buddy rich, but so far i totally agree. i'm not impressed with his playing at all.
@@ashmonkey2572 listen to Tony Williams, i'd say he's better than buddy and only didn't get as big because of his skin color
He is obviously a technical master but I prefer a solo by Krupa or Morello. More musical and more pleasing to the ear.
Most drummers only have a handful of licks ( Gadd probably has even fewer ; just wait to hear that ba, do, boom lick and you won't have to wait very long) but they just apply them in a few different ways.
@@tObito687 i think that's a fair statement.
crazy how a drummer this good thinks that any grip could limit creativity.
might be a good drummer but at the end of the day, it's still just a drummer
Creativity is differnt than ability.
@@hazardeur Ouch
@@hazardeur and wtf are you?....just
@@ratatat9790 i'm just a drummer too
ironic how Buddy played almost an entire solo with match grip in the 60's, you can watch it on youtube, i wonder why he changed his opinion
Generally he did that when he was playing mostly on the toms. Makes sense, since traditional grip was designed to capitalize on the rebound from the snare, which you don't get so much on the toms.
+Ben Dawn-Cross Actually homie it was carried over from marching snare. When snare drummers had to wear their snares on a diagonal strap it had a natural tilt so they had to invent the traditional grip to accommodate I. :)
+Alberto Patino Yeah, I know that, but one reason that some find it hard to use against a kit is because it works best against surfaces with a higher rebound capacity, such as a snare. Guys in Buddy's day usually had all of their drums, including their toms, tuned pretty high, so it wasn't an issue, but these days toms are gnerally tuned lower, so the rebound isn't quite as potent.
I was lucky enough to have been taken to see this man by my father - more than once. But this 'matched grip' thing just isn't an argument.
AAAAAAH....SHHHIT!! lol.😂
he even swears in time
I think he hit the rim.
I laughed so hard I farted!
wrong grip !
''Not quite my tempo.'' (Buddy Rich leaps out the screen and punches me in the face)
Alexander Brown were you rushing or were you dragging?
Alexander Brown super
1 2 3 Slap 4: Was I rushing or dragging
Don’t ever tell him “good job”. He’ll decapitate you with a cymbal.
Alexander Brown haha
If traditional grip is so good then when did he mess up and say “shit”
it's the traditional thing to say :D
to his credit he said shit in time with the beat.
He messed up with his right Hand.. With which He is using half Match grip ;-)
I thought that was part of his solo.
and did he rip himself a new one after the gig like he would have done to anyone else in his band? ;)
*rim slip* "Ahhhh shit" - literally just highlights how unbelievably clean every single other hit is after this point
Pretentious as fuck.
But one damn good drummer.
EuriLochus He's not pretentious at all. He's confident in abilities he actually possesses.
Pretentious: attempting to impress by affecting greater importance, talent, culture, etc., than is actually possessed.
EuriLochus I think you meant arrogant as fuck, which he was, and a damn good drummer too.
Alen Combs I'd be arrogant too. I'm arrogant already and I'm not even good at anything.
mike shoe Haha, so well put. I will say this, you are good at having both moxy and style. ;)
George Christiansen By your own provided definition of pretentious you confirmed he is EXACTLY that, even though you state the opposite. He is expressing greater importance/talent of using traditional grip over match grip as a drummer, when the fact is EVERYTHING he does here, and ever did, can be done equally as skilled using match grip. It's a matter of preference, not a matter of one is better than the other. Both grip styles can be equally as good by drummers with the proper skill levels. SO yes, he is pretentious. Not to say he isn't a drumming idol and damn good, and I get where he's coming from given the times and match being a newer thing and not the norm for the old-schoolers, but he is most definitely pretentious.
He says "you can't really do anything" - what he means is "I can't really do anything"
Steve Fox BUT the drummers you wold hold up as great probably do not could not come close to the late great Buddy Rich talent AND Buddy could have taught himself a lot quicker to do what those you admire do than the other way around, trust those words I keyed in
@@douglasknoll3500 you're just a Buddy maxi
@@Drizzt_Do_Entreri whatever that is
@@ApartmentKing66 You don't know what a maxi is and you have Investor in your name LOL
And this was Buddy in his older years. .His left hand snare is unmatched.
I see what you did there ^^^
I think Neal Peart destroyed Buddy’s argument as he tried both grips. Also I think that the grip with which you started and how your kit is setup has something to do with it as well.
No, he really didn't. You see Buddy was my Uncle... So I do have a unique view to this one. As a kid I would watch Buddy play at home for between 3 - 7 hours straight every time I visited. He shared some of his immense insight on the subject with me. He was incredible. Later in life I became a Stagehand in Las Vegas. I worked with the hottest acts in the industry... Including Rush. Neil had a VERY LARGE drum kit, practically a drum for every tone. Neil couldn't come close to what Buddy did on a small Swinger land kit. And this is what they never understood about Buddy, he PURPOSELY worked a small kit and relied on hitting the drum in a particular spot to produce the desired tone. Less real estate means faster speed, and a traditional grip allows a faster trip around the kit.
@@KevinLee-ri9ko Thnks for your reply. I agree that nobody could work a small kit like Buddy. That is about the only size that would fit in a small jazz club. IMHO, in the end, it all comes down to opinion and we all have them.
@@KevinLee-ri9ko I would disagree. If you watch The tribute concert that Neil did, "Burning for Buddy", you'd see that Neil was just as talented on a small kit than he was on a big one. Neil worked with a big kit because he had a love for sound and (with the toms in particular) didn't want to be limited by the pitch of just 2-3 toms. If you look at the kit that Neil used in Fly By Night, he had a much smaller kit than his infamous Time Machine. I think what David was more pointing to was that match grip isn't inherently "wrong", it's just what you're playing. Look how far Buddy's snare is in this clip. It almost requires a traditional grip. If you watch "Cotton Tail" from "Burning For Buddy", you can see that rolls are just as doable in both grips. In either case, Buddy was extremely talented and the best at what he did, but immensely stuck in his ways.
@@papisnaz9055 Don’t forget Krupa who was an even more creative drummer then Buddy.
@@davincimotorworksinc6710 Yes, while a definite rival of Buddy's, and while they had a mutual dislike of each other ,Gene was indeed one that Buddy respected.
Buddy is one of the greats, and I've never learned to play trad grip so I can't speak on the advantages and disadvantages with experience, but what I do love is how his example of the dumb shit these match grip kids do nowadays is a slow roll from snare to rack to floor tom. And then the next clip is him being comparatively "creative" which consists of him doing, basically, the exact same thing but faster.
He’s also applying Moeller method flange techniques to make the rolls faster too. Sort of a “conservation of energy” type thing…
@buttguy I SAID THE SAME THING TO MYSELF NOT 2 MINUTES AGO!!!
Look, as a drummer I've always respected Buddy Rich, if not for just his playing, but also for being a "celebrity drummer" in an era where all the glory went to the singers or bandleaders of Big Band acts. That said I'm a rock guy and when I heard him say "musicians who cant play the drums form rock bands" (or words to that affect) it pissed me off. Not because it revealed some inner truth that I couldn't face, but rather because he's knocking an artform he clearly knows nothing about. He's also revealing his own insecurities and limitations as a drummer. because let's face it - if Frank Sinatra presented him with a song like The Beatles "Something" and asked him to come up with a rhythm, do you honestly think he'd come up with a part as simple yet effective like Ringo Starr did? Or could he do a 2-hour show with the intensity of John Bonham? No. So if HE doesn't want to be compared to others, he himself shouldn't compare what other drummers did to what he did.
The man was a dick. Good drummer though.... 😎😎
Don't forget the unclean power triplets hahahahha
Hahahahaha you're right.
tbh i know both traditional and match cus i was center snare for my drum line and play drum set. all i can really say is it was invented because of how snare drums when marched used to be tilted. there’s no advantage other than personally i feel ghost notes are slightly easier
Learn both grips.They each have something to offer that the other one doesn't.
I grew up using traditional grip because everyone did. Switched to match grip-- so much better. BTW the reason why traditional grip became standard was long before there were drum kits, drums were an instrument of war and 'drummers' wore their drums on a slant to their side.
I started trad, switched to matched. Around 2000 I lowered my hi-hat and started learning how to ride with the left hand so I didn't have to play with my arms crossed. Picked trad back up when I renewed my interest in playing swing because it just feels like the right way to play in that style. I did not, however, pick up a reverse trad so I could ride on the left; I kept it matched. The hardest thing was to get a good swing ride going in the left hand. What I wound up doing for practice was to put swing tunes on the headphones and sit there riding with *both* hands...the right hand actually taught the left; it made a difference in even just a few minutes.
I think we can all agree it is a thing of personal preference
thank you Dale! somebody with some sense and knowledge. they both have their applications!
Oh the irony in this video. He makes fun of drummers who use matched grip, implies that all they do is snare roles and going around the toms and brags about how it is the extend of their creativity, and then he goes on playing pretty much the same solo he has done for decades, containing mostly snare roles and fast tom passages. Funnily enough, he often used matched grip himself when it suited him, especially on tom passages. There are entire solos where he mostly plays matched grip. So yeah, how about starting with yourself, buddy (Pun intended) ?
Now don't get me wrong, Buddy Rich to this day is one of the greatest drummes who ever walked on earth, his speed and technique was incredible and unmatched. What he played on 3 a piece kit is better than what many modern metal drumers with double base and over the top kits can do. He was an absolute master in what he did. But he is an absolute arse beyond that. Sadly, he let his ego get the better of him over time, thinking he is the best and his way of playing is the only right one which kinda limited his drumming. As great as he was in what he did, he failed to realize that drumming isn't just about speed, complexity and showing off. He was like a machine with incredible skills, but to me, he sometimes laked a bit of a soul, the fealing for the music and the groove and so on. He could have been even better if he was a bit more open minded.
Edelweiss Buddy had limited musical sense and abilities. Up close and personal it was easy to get scorched by his ferocity. However listening deeper revealed a shallowness.
Earthdogbonzo3
My thoughs exactely.
Earthdogbonzo3 Very well said.
Edelweiss - People who criticise legends are right up there with pastors who start their sermons with..."I think what God meant to say...."
So its better to just take everything as it is or even worship it? Sorry, I'm not that kind of guy. Buddy is/was one of the best drummes who ever lived if not the best and isnpired generations of drummers, no doubt about that. And he stayed true to himself and his character during his career and didn't fake something, I give him that. Doesn't change the fact he was an arse, legend or not.
Buddy is blowing smoke. He doesn't actually say anything here, just shows off.
You mean your comment.....?
I played using concert grip from 1964 until 1980. In 1980 and still today I play using match grip. I changed the position of my drums to accommodate match grip and then taught my left hand everything my right hand knows and it changed everything for me. I also began playing double bass drum in 1980 and still do today. However when I first began playing drums in 1964 I learned many of Buddy Rich’s drumming techniques using concert grip and apply his drumming techniques today using match grip.
But when I play with brushes I resort back to concert grip and when I’m playing in high energy rock band (yes, today .. currently) and need to do a press roll I use concert grip because that’s the grip I learned to use especially for those techniques.
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While I dont agree with him completely, I think learning traditional grip have its advantages too. Ive started playing traditional grip recently and it has improved my stick control and independence a lot. Learn as much techniques as possible, It opens up more possibilities to your playing
Sure can be hard to find a good take in the comments sometimes 👍🏿
I only come to watch this video when I remember he misses that splash 😁✊🏽 1:22
The only reason I don't agree with him is because I dismiss anyone who says any way to play drums is strait up "wrong" Ahah but also the way his kit is set up.
I started as a trad player first when I was a kid then switched to match grip. It makes so little difference that I'll be half way through a song sometimes and realise I've switched grips 😂
Every single video I've watched of Buddy Rich is nothing but a video of him showing off his speed. Not once have a felt the urge to tap my foot or felt a groove. Play a fuckin' beat once in a while.
Was literally thinking the exact same thing, good to see people are with me on this haha
he does. all the time. just not when he solos.
You must not watch/listen to much Buddy Rich in that case. There are times you wouldn't even be able to tell that he's the drummer on a track because he doesn't take big solos or crazy fills. Perfect example is when he plays brushes on "Ballade" with Bird and Hawkins. Perhaps his most popular videos are of his solos, but you need to actually do your research my dude!
Listen to groovin' hard, where we doesn't take a solo, but still completes his masterpiece with a driving groove and tasteful fills.
Jack Merrill: Totally agree! I doubt many of the folks here making comments are drummers themselves.
Vincent maybe if you watched, listened while NOT being Sodomized you could find a rhythm
Traditionnally, the "traditional" grip was a way to play the snare drum WHILE MARCHING (since it was tilted). The drum set, as we know it today, doesn't require to play traditionnal since thrre is NO need for the tilt on the snare drum. I play both traditionnal and matched grip, but find matched to be more natural physically than traditionnal. Buddy Rich, although I love him dearly, was just having a bad day in this video!🤣🤣🤣
He means he can get around the kit better in ways match grip cannot so well.
@NPC 1984 With traditional you hold from under the stick so it makes certain things easier to do. He can play both match and traditional.
@NPC 1984 "it makes certain things easier, and certain things harder as well. Exactly the same with matched grip" You got it, well done!
@@sbaxter4207 lmao i cant believe you came back a month later to add on. cheers mate
This BUDDY RICH video shouldn't have any negative comments. Everyone that doesn't understand what the greatest drummer in history is saying should sell their drums and quit playing for ever!
Thoughts going into this video: "I usually use traditional grip, but I never thought much as to why. Maybe this video will be beneficial to my progress as a drummer."
Thoughts after this video: "Ok, boomer."
Uh...
Buddy Rich is not a baby boomer. If anything, his kids were baby boomers.
So you started out curious, and you ended up a moronic barker of trendy cliches? Bit sad.
@@StamfordBridge So you started and ended with dragging someone you don't even know over a comment that's clearly a joke to defend one of the most pompous douchebags in the history of jazz? Bit sad.
@@chefbanjo8139......Buddy Rich wasn't a Boomer.....he was a Banger......
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Mr Rich was a great drummer but he had a serious attitude problem when it came to music,the video where he slams country music and Chet Atkins is an incredible display of arrogance and snobbery.....music is not all about speed,complexity and the listener having to struggle to figure it out.
SongSwan As much as i love B.R.!!!
He couldn’t stand to see someone who
he considered mediocre, make 3 times
as much money as he made!!!!
He had a serious jealousy & envy problem when it came to who was making the big...Do Re Mi!! Especially if
they didn’t play Jazz!!!!!!
Talent playing an instrument and how much money you make as a rock star or entertainer don't always correlate
buck ewer except Buddy could back it up!
buck ewer except that he was a brilliant innovator, bandleader, and as not only a soloist, but as accompanist, he was the greatest ever. For real. I saw him live twice. He had huge ears, reacted to every soloist beautifully, fed the soloists with idea after idea, pushed the band when needed, pulled them back when they needed it. The man was a master. ruclips.net/video/NgU5qZi2TOs/видео.html
Hope that was YOUR SwanSong AND YOU need to get up to speed DUMMY....!
Even his "Ah,shit!" Was on beat
Ha!
Ive been drumming for 30 years and even played pro for 8. With traditional grip I found I could not get sufficient power to the snare. It felt awkward and clunky. Plus it makes cymbal choking impossible.
Jeff Walker have you ever listened to Stewart Copeland? He uses his own traditional grip and can hit pretty hard. Also, I play his way too and cymbal choking it’s very easy, just practice!
The Police drummer! I respect his talent very much. But I grew up listening to Metallica, Megadeth and Slayer...
@@Kiripompone his rhythms are fuckin ridiculous! BUT this is what makes him great
@@jeffwalker9122 Don't forget Mitch Mitchell! He is what inspired me to start
@@DanielKodiak I'm also a huge Metal fan! Check out Megadeth and Slayer.
Buddy Rich is basically like my music teacher my music teacher believes that the only way to play bass is by using your fingers and basically treat us pick players as if we're breaking a sin
Enjoy ur finger's joints problem in future.
Nothing wrong with a pick, it gives a different tone and more potential speed. Many bassists are against it because they are traditionalists, no other reason.
different tone is right but that speed argument is just wrong, if anything, playing with fingers has more potential speed than playing with a pick.
That kind of absolutist bullshit gives all music instructors a bad name. "finger's joints problem"? No such thing. Oh, the wacky stuff you read on the internet. I think the most impressive pick player I've ever heard is Roger Waters.
Rules in music are for boring people. Sure, understand them, but break them whenever you like otherwise nothing new is gonna happen.
His playing was ahead of its time, and probably remains so, but his attitude was very much of its time, and that of a snob to boot. I'd never abide him as someone to play with, but I admire him as a player.
well said.
Good answer. Dennis Stone drumming to Christiane by Rick Braun
1:20 shows the human side of Rich where his anger allows him to correct errors and push for greater precision in movements
I love the shear aggression and power in this solo, it screams of i'm the best even if there was a tiny miss hit.
It also proves that you don't need a huge kit or to throw your arms around like a baboon to drum up a storm.
Back in the day he knew he was the greatest and time and again he would stamp his masterful authority all over the drum kit .
To this day his presence can be felt and drummers world wide still honer him as the ultimate drummer that will never be equaled
well that would be the "matched grip" way, obvsly.
BigBill Lucas hell yea
or he's just a dick
It's mostly other musicians that still think he's some great drummer. Drummers have moved on. He isn't creative, and not being able to play a big kit well isn't a strength. This is a video where he is trying to show how he is better than everyone else and he still makes a big mistake he can't hide.
john bonham & ian paice played small kits with bug drums like their idol buddy rich. also ric lee of ten years after(listen to "hobbit" from TYA live). buddy was & will always be the yardstick of drumming!
Buddy would be suprised as hell if he would see what Chris Coleman does with matched grip today...
Coleman is a wonderful drummer. to be honest Buddy sounds like an ignorant "the only type of drumming is jazz drumming" type of guy.
I use both grips and both work fine. Depends what you're playing as well in my opinion
Sean Lewis I agree but I can not get the power I need for punk or metal with traditional grip. Definitely more for jazz and progressive rock.
At the time he made these comments most matched grips drummers couldn't do what he did. They've since caught up just fine
Couldnt you just position your snare little bit away from you.
DCM Bonham played match grip and he could do anything rich could do better.
I absolutely just love when he turns to the camera and yells, "Shit!"
To everyone sucking buddy and saying he's right just remember, he wasn't even using match grip right he was using french timpani grip. and his snare was way too close for match grip to work. I'm not saying traditional is bad, all I'm saying is buddy was criticizing a grip he clearly doesn't know how to use
French grip is still match grip. French, American, German..as long as you're holding the stick the same way it's considered matched. The position of your palm (which is the only difference in those three grips) is the only difference.
Don't forget also that rich always had his snare tilted so that it was angled away from his body...try playing match grip with that type of snare set up.It's REALLY uncomfortable...so he really had his drums set up to accommodate his favorite grip.That doesn't mean the grip itself is better.
I can't believe the comments I'm reading. Everyone, on both sides, needs to chill the fuck out. I use matched grip but Buddy is more than entitled to his opinion. It's Buddy Fucking Rich, who are we to tell him he's wrong?
As for my own personal opinion. It's good to learn and practice BOTH grips.
agreed Brandon
“Traditionally” sticks were held matched. Going back to the time of native drumming, they didn’t hold the sticks in different positions. It was when drums were worn over the shoulder with a strap while going to war that the left hand grip was changed to be able to articulate the snare since it was at an angle.
“Traditional” grip is matched grip, not marching. There’s nothing “traditional” about holding one stick in an awkward position.
If you put a child in front of a drum (which is on a stand) and he or she has never watched someone else play drums, they will “NATURALLY” pick up the sticks in a matched position.
Buddy was a great drummer, but that doesn’t mean he knew everything about drumming.
His assertions here display a sense of pseudo-intellectualism.
Just shows how ideas get perpetuated because people make false idols out of people like this.
J Bay you posted some basic useful info for those not in the know, you also made some reasonable points of sorts, but you also concluded using logic assumption w/that which you condemn the late great truly masters master, Buddy Rich, that he did not know everything AND neither do you, BUT He was a master jazz drummer. Also like many in this entire subject matter AND consequential posts few if any acknowledge that traditional 1hand, trad left-hand martial cradled grip IS MUCH MORE Difficult to learn let alone master to pros level lest the levels of difficulty the great Buddy Rich attained as just a child let alone his life's journey prigressions , trad-grip has the ability to allow truly unique now dated AND dying techniques styles most esp on hi-hats feathering & top to bottom playing showpiece tactical methods, obviously both grips have advantages disadvantages, but Buddy Rich left a legend of great drumming, drum music & music.
@@douglasknoll3500 I think his main point was that the whole video sounded like: “ traditional is good and match is bad because I’m buddy rich and I say so.” He wasn’t ever doubting his ability on the
instrument.
Buddy rich is also not that much of a virtuoso and there were many drummers of his time that were better than him.
He was also known to be an a-hole sometimes.
Buddy is indeed a legend on the drums, but he is often played up to be this absolute god which isn’t entirely true.
I think you hit the nail on the head here, nobody's denying he was brilliant and one of the all time greatest. But that also doesn't mean he was infallible and everything he had to say on the matter of drumming was objectively correct. Most brilliant technical drummers these days use matched and can do the exact same things as demonstrated here.
ok so what i got from this is that traditional isn’t traditional because match was used first. but i disagree. match is original but traditional is really called that because the only reason it’s still around is tradition.
Don’t give a shit which is “better” but Trad grip looks way cooler
weird since looking cool is like the absolute least important part of music
@@cm9241 Yeah? Is that so? So why am I practicing stick tricks 8 hours a day and then my mom tells me how better I have gotten? ha? why?
CM you have a point of interest to some point to point out, however impressive presentation along w/complete command or what appears to be so of ones musical interest insrtument hopefully of choice, can be awe inspiringly appreciable let alone, yet combined w/ being capable of bringing us mere mortals closer to the true Supreme Being of perfection AND Creation
@@shalevtsadok2757 Your comment is the definition of unironically ironic
and I relate.
THIS LOL. I started playing drums in college in the early 90's. I chose traditional grip 100% because of Alex Van Halen in the video to "Finish What Ya Started". It looked SO FUCKING COOL.
"that's the extent of their creativity".... plays the same solo he has been doing for 25 years. lmao
bernieBrains Can u do it?
The worst kind of argument. "But you can't do it/do better so you can't talk bad about it" I'm sure bernie is not able to play a Buddy Rich drum solo but he also was not talking down upon the creativity of other drummers. Just pointing out how very hypocritical Rich is
Nope. He can't.
I'm not a big Buddy Rich fan, but, haven't most of the worlds great jazz, rock and blues musicians been playing their same solos for 25 years? And classical musicians just play the same pieces note for note all of their musical lives. You comment is a stupid one. If you are going to hate, then, have a point of some return.
Quite a bold statement! But the popularity of the West Side Story medley always wanted to be heard,guess you havent listened to His Discography?
He was a Perfectionist!
If you don't understand what Buddy's saying here, he will take you outside and show you what it's like.
He's not my kind of guy.
Yeah what an ass.
I saw what you did there 😆😆
No he won't. He's dead.
,....Epic drum soloing,....."Ah, shit!" Continue epic drum soloing,....
The musicality, dynamics, contrast, emotional expression, and development of rhythmic ideas in this solo were amazing! The mark of a true great!
NewJackRustler AH SHIT, you're right.
He unintentionally hit his stick.
I say unintentionally because usually, everything Buddy did was with extreme precision and purpose. I can hardly believe the -man- machine actually made a mistake, but he did.
The greatest advantage of trad grip is that it looks really cool
The monster himself. Legends will never die.
I've learn both grips, but the reason anybody plays that way is because it was necessary to do so in military snare drumming which came long before the drum kit and it was perceived as the only Technic at the time and carried over into drum kit playing
how come my drum machine doesn't allow me to choose???
Go under "Option" and click the "Buddy Rich" box.
abbot,&costello
"I can't play drums with match grip therefore nobody can"
The funny thing is that Buddy did play match on occasion.
The irony is when he criticizes drummers that use match grip for doing rolls and fills...Then the video cuts to him doing the same things he criticized match grip drummers for.
Literally. Lol buddy rich was known for his speed. But his concepts are SIMPLE. 😂😂😂
buck ewer now that’s a dumb comment. Speed is art... only people without speed would say something like that
buck ewer you must suck at music 😁
While yes he can play this fast simplistic standard snare to tom fill, if you watch he is playing tons of different stick rudiments throughout with blazing speed. Say what you want about his attitude but the guy chops wise was an elite player.
@buck ewer he wasn't just about speed, the way he could play all the drum rudiments is incredible and when he played with a big band he always complimented the music with all kinds of creativity. Believe me he blows away a lot of even today's drummers, but a lot of today's drummers were definitely influenced by him. My drum teacher years ago actually met him and he's told me many stories of him. The guy was a very gifted and very practiced drummer in all ways around the kit.
Not a very convincing argument. He deliberately plays shitty when demonstrating match grip. If it was superior then why wouldn't you hold both sticks like the left hand in traditional grip? It's not like the right and left hands are different structurally. Hands match and so should the grip. Mic drop!
I noticed that too!!!! Even his facial expression as he did it!!
He wasn't saying that the hand was different. He was saying that the roles they play when drumming on a full kit are distinctly different from each other. His point was when you hold your sticks with a match grip, the left stick gets in the way of the right stick when you're trying to move around the kit a lot like he does. When you play guitar your hands do different things but both of your hands are still the same structurally.
And his point is wrong. There's nothing you can do in traditional grip that you can't in match grip and vice versa.
+Crimson Sunrise
I disagree w/ one part of your statement. The vice versa. I have never seen a drummer consistently ride w/ that traditional left-hand grip.
Maxx Bifacial McGerk
Just because you haven't seen it, doesn't mean it's not possible.
He’s so quick that he makes the snare sound like a machine gun
Buddy Rich: "You can't get around the kit or do anything playing matched grip" ... Neil Peart: "Hold my beer"
He did all of that while wearing a sweater.
I broke out in a sweat just watching this!
He said "The drum way"..WTF? He created his own term. For a guy that sweated so much, why did he wear sweaters? If I was playing and the sweat was dripping from my nose, I think I would dress lighter the next time.
1:49 he got me real good..
Remember kids Buddy Rich always says the right things because I watched a lot Of his solos and I learn a lot of stuff from him and now I play traditional grip very good
Traditional grip is alive and very well - thank you for checking in my Friend!
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@@QUANTUMMUSIC101 ofc man
Buddy doesn't use match grip because he's dead. 🐸
Mike Oneill Fuck off dickhead
XD
Fuckin lol
Mike Oneill
From this video and all his asshole fanboys im kinda glad he is too.
It’s FUCKEN art not the Olympic Games
Half these asshats are all “faster is better” or whatever but when I live my life this prick ain’t in the soundtrack I assure you.
@@testudinebobby8532 cant handle reality huh
"I don't play the drums often, but when I do..."
For about 3 seconds at 1:15, he does what was a signature sound of Narada Michael Walden's during his time with the Mahavishnu Orchestra. It's ferocious.
I'll admit it, Buddy is the reason why I switched to traditional grip.
And I never looked back.
+Tracy S I'm left handed but my teacher didn't care so I learned the " right handed" traditionnal grip, don't want to start over, useless for me, match grip it is...
+Stéphane Mignot if anything, learning to lead with your weak hand gives you a huge leg up on a lot of other drummers.
Worse than that, or better, I use my bad foot on bass drum! I hate double bass drum, too bad, useful for the hi-hat in pedal mode tho...
+Tracy S I'm the exact same, I had to completely re-learn how to play the drums efficiently because I switched, but it was all completely worth it.
It's even better amongst people who use matched grip, as you look kind of pretentious which is always a fun bonus.
+Stéphane Mignot I've never been a double bass guy either. I feel like it makes drumming just about speed, which really isn't true.
I wonder how he'd react seeing Gavin Harrison or Matt Garstka. Probably call it "technical wankery"
Haha Garstka is a beast
He'd see Bozzio and be like "too many toms"
add Dennis Chambers, Chris Coleman, Eric Moore, Benny Greb, Thomas Lang to that list...plus a few hundreds other monster drummers who play matched grip.
Buddy Rich was an asshole but he wasn't a racist
dont forget about orbin, rudinger, etc. the ambidexterity would probably piss him off lmao
I challenged Buddy to a drum battle once...........I now play the trumpet o.O
This guy seems to have some talent !
Buddy Rich: “ Match grip doesn’t really work. “
Keith Moon: “ Hold my beers . . . And charge them to Neil Sadaka! “
David McCain 🤣
May 1969 Chicago . I saw the Buddy Rich Orchestra open for THE WHO (1 st Tommy tour) . I was 25 feet away from 2 of my favorite players. And I still have a pair of Keith s sticks from that show !
Jim Fritz , would you say they were opposites OR similar in their attack & style?
@@cleorivas6098 Style , no. Attack , yes. Keith and Buddy respected each other. Both put the drums up front,in your face. Not just in the rhythm section but as lead players. I saw the Who 12 times with Keith. I saw Buddy once. Everyone has their faves but these 2 brought that " dangerous magic" to the gig. Take Care
Come on... I love Moon, but he isn't even in the same solar system as Buddy.
basically, the answer is
I'm pretentious
I love Buddy Rich, but disagree with him on grip. And so does Thomas Lang who used traditional grip for years. He switched a few years ago stating that it was not advantageous to todays drumming. I learned traditional grip from my first teacher in 1962 but found matched much easier to get around the kit and use it 90% of the time.
Yes I have seen that interview and I remember in an interview with Virgil Donati too when asked about matched VS traditional ,he said something similar to what lang mentioned ,like traditional isnt better and in general theres no big difference it's just the way he was taught to play.
I play both I switched from matched to traditional in a certain time cause I became more influenced by Lang ,Donati, Colauita and found it cooler ,at first it felt harder and inconvenient but after a long time of practice it feels the opposite to me ,traditional feels better.Personally I noticed its all related to how much work you put in it.
What BR said here about the advantage of traditional over the matched can be argued in the same way by someone who prefer matched grip thus makes his statement invalid
yah yah yah.....Mr.Lang rarely uses traditional due to carpal tunnel he suffered but healed back in 2009 i believe,(i'm a match grip player) there are pros and cons for each posture in executing rudimentals or physically around the kit in the long term.
Who cares!? Play whatever fucking grip you want. I use both.
very good points
You know, that's a prime example of personal preference. If you want to really get down to it, it's proven that medically, matched grip makes more sense; second of all, he didn't actually explain why traditional was better; third, all he had to say was: "I'm Buddy Rich and I use traditional grip."
Way ahead of his time . There was a reason why he was the best of that time and its because I feel that he didn't conform to what others thought was the norm. Mr Rich earned his respect.
Also, he literally did his childhood growing up and drum practice on stage in front of people as a kid. He was a child vaudeville star of his day. He had supreme confidence as a performer due to this. I dont think there will ever be a situation where somebody will get to grow up in those circumstances again.
I want someone who uses match grip to do the exact same thing he does that would be so funny
I made a Watch Msuic please subscribe for more Someone good enough at drumming could definitely do the entire solo he just played using match stick grip. His argument for it was terrible. I use the term argument loosely, because he didn’t even really have an argument. He’s a really good drummer, but he’s clearly a delusional about his preferred grip. He should’ve just said “This is just the grip I use because it’s what I’m comfortable with.” It’s about what’s comfortable for you. You’re not gonna be better because you use one grip over another.
Maxilent true
William Fotiou not true
@William Fotiou Calm down tiger; plenty of drummers have proved him wrong.
Look up Zach Hill
I don't think he's right about match grip, but my gosh he is a beast on that kit.
no, he's not.
@@cm9241 Tell me who's better. Tell me who's fucking better
@@jaspergillgannon4991 from what era? His? Max roach and art blakely
CM BUDDY was a great fan follower of both Max AND Art, including drum battles w/Max, ayk?
Had Buddy first learned matched grip, he'd be making exactly the opposite statement. There are countless amazingly impressive examples in both camps. Fundamentally it's not about the sticks are held. It's about the talent, skill, and dedication of the person holding them.
What are you stupid, dumb or both? I would guess....BOTH! If you have a just a little bit of knowledge about the diversity of music styles, you'll notice, that jazz playing requires traditional grip in order to implement the necessary emotion, feeling, and freedom that it requires. Other forms of music like rock for example require an overhanded grip to impose power and a strong back beat, since the drummer is locked into the rhythm.
Johnny TheMUSICmaN Ah, but now you've turned grip style into an "apples to oranges" stylistic comparison. Traditional may be better for certain styles, but you've also just conceded that matched grip is better for others. If A is not ALWAYS better than B, then any blanket statement about its superiority is rendered false.
Besides, most of the great Jazz players learned traditional in the first place, so naturally their expression is best presented that way, but it's either ignorant or arrogant to presume that, if somebody only learns matched grip, they'll never have adequate finesse or expression just because they don't walk in the same footsteps as those who came before.
By the way, in the context of your opening question (the insult that contributed nothing constructive to the conversation), "dumb" and "stupid" are synonymous, so if somebody is one, then that person is automatically both. Thus, the question itself is stupid. Anybody who would ask the question...is.
OmniphonProductions Your comment statement is reflective of your own personal terminological inexactitude, that most assuredly dwells within your deranged psyche; and, speaks of the confused and convoluted state of mind that surely had generated this disparity. The lack of neuronal, axon, and synapse connectivity that constitutes rational thought processes is void in your case. This diffuse dysfunction is spurred by the brains' hypothalamus, and may have originated by sequential hormonal over-saturation, a physical structural displacement abnormality at birth, and a genetic predisposition. A brain scan will reveal most or all of your illness. Best of luck.
Johnny TheMUSICmaN Well, I suppose if one is going to contribute a comment that is utterly lacking in any substantive content, one should at least make it interesting. Kudos! That was, without a doubt, the coolest and most intelligent-sounding nothing I've ever read.
OmniphonProductions Since my previous statement may have been misunderstood and misconstrued by you because it may have been well beyond your capacity to comprehend, I'll simplify it for you. Your previous comment was completely incoherent and utterly ignorant. In all probability, it was scripted by a person (you), with a confused state of mind, and/or a limited capacity for thought. Of course my pseudo-intellectual moronic friend; as someone who espouses to writing lackluster contextual statements of meaningless rhetoric, you surely must be the expert. The descriptive term: 'Substantive", is beyond your interpretation. Stick with the analogy: "Nothing"...It sounds much more like you and the nonsensical stupidity that you post.
Mr. Buddy Rich is THE GOD of Drumming. NO ONE can come close to him. Period.
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