EPISODE 3 ACCIDENTAL DEATH OF A RAILWAY
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- Опубликовано: 22 окт 2022
- This episode visits another line that unlike the Luckiest Line, died an untimely death under false pretenses. We look at how false narratives are put out there to help leaders and decision-makers reach their goals of destroying railways. And then what happens when they end up wasting more money than it would have cost to keep the line. A series of episodes about wrong thinking in Australian railways, and what can be done.
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I came here for the railways, not a lecture. Rant over, I do agree that too many services/lines were closed after a hastily convened "inquiry" As Sir Humphrey Appleby observed : "You never hold an inquiry unless you already know it's verdict" Words to that effect.
Well you should have switched off when you saw that the channel is hosted by a Mad Professor. I make no apologies for lecturing viewers. Not here for a discussion, this sort of thinking is why we are in the mess we are in.
Bland's report looks ridiculous when you read it now. It looks like one of those pantomime toffs wrote it - Gilbert and Sullivan's modern major general. But just an idiot. Of course the lines were losing money but they didn't even try to fix the staffing, technology or operations to reduce the loss, let alone try to attract new custom or product to ship.
Each stage of the bike (only) trail cost the local council $10m
Yeh...they're a complete WOFTAM and better rebuilt as tourism lines. At least a few of them anyway
Great vid'! Well done. It's all absolutely true too. The Bland report was the end for branchlines in Victoria. They were massacred all through the 1970s to the 90s. Anyway, I think that Healesville, Daylesford & Yea would also make great tourism & general purpose railways as well...
Thanks Alastair, great comment. Yea was my fave but very hard to keep. We think of the worst massacres in the 1970s but don't forget the Skipton and Timboon lines in the 80s or the Yarram line beyond Leongatha even later
@Radically Rethinking Railways in Australia Yeh Skipton & Timboon would've been another couple of lines definitely worthy of keeping as tourism lines... Timboon is a line that could easily be rebuilt with a bit of funding... I actually did the tail end of Timboon in 1992 on ganger's trolley when I was a young bloke back in 1992...it was great fun as well. We did Orbost the next year in 1993 about 18 months before they ripped it up. That was the best Easter weekend of my life
Yes the line was definately strangled by lack of money for maintainance.
The train had to go slower for safety and in the end it took way too long - everyone went to the buses.
The rail motor would jerk side to side so bad you couldn't read the newspaper!
Very fond memories of working on the Bridge Gang with Bill, Skinny, Charlies, Max, Steve, Johnny, Whoopie et al. in the 70's. We'd putt putt along on 2 single cylinder carts - one for us n one for the tools n timbers.
It was freezin in the cold winter mornings - all the old blokes had 3 coats on!
I leart how to adze a piece of timber to a chalk line and was glad I had steel toecap boots cause those adze' were razor sharp.
We had a hand crank crane and a hydraulic drill as mech. aids - the rest was by hand.
What an absolutely gorgeous place to work - behind the Tarrawarra Abbey on the river flats was like a wild life sanctuary.
I'm sure it would be a huge tourist attraction if it ever returned.
The bike path is great to.
Thanks Bruce I enjoyed the late 70s on the rail motors I'm sure I only rode the derm but I do remember seeing walkers on the line. You and your bridge crews could have had most of the timber openings knocked over in a few weekends and replaced with concrete or steel with a bit of overtime money and some materials. The big bridge is a different matter but the current government has spent 90 mill replacing Stratford bridge for 3 trains a day and vast numbers of small openings on that line on top. If the Healesville line had had what stony point had had spent on it since those days if may well have resulted on 95kmh on the straights, a transit time to lilydale of 20 min and a time from Healesville to fss faster than any car could do the trip even today with the Eastern freeway tunnel
When the Healesville line was being reviewed in the late ‘70s, the locals threatened to repaint Healesville Station, the first painting since 1947.
I read that the current circuitous route was due to wealthy landowners resisting the more direct route through their farmland.
I drove to Warburton at 7am and was amazed at the huge amount of traffic, I wish the Warby was still open.
Thanks Daryl, that wouldn't surprise me. I remember the station being repainted but really the thing they should have been doing was rebuilding the trestles, like Puffing Billy did and many other volunteer organisations did. Here is a link to recent work in North Queensland to repair a trestle. facebook.com/HerbertonRailwayStation/posts/pfbid02cp9Df8e2qgZqyUBVbyrseSGE3fgWkr6eFyCto16Cgpncs7gHC2ZpEAHrs536ydetl?__cft__[0]=AZXT5A3uElqMP9_STwLCTafe7KwbaYHIaYLl-3YOqX4gzKRFPrG3hlenahggWa4L6IEzjBbGdO6qvWv_b8BeuEYgB-_orZWPj_7LoLzrghHOoSmfOwjA68EnjXmIv5p3MF6e6nc764D6L_Ei8E1UHlQdzQOfnfnZAd00tjAZIUtenRBw1LEs5vQBcNROuCBrlns&__tn__=%2CO%2CP-R
It's still owned by Victrack!
What do you think of Standardisation?
I'd like to still see the tourist railways continue a bit longer even if everything in Melbourne was ripped up and replaced, on the low probability that it ever happens.
Excellent vid, first took a loco train to Healesville from Lilydale in the mid sixties....sadly missed
G'day mate yeah I just seen your video and I just saw a bit of my drone footage I did thank you very much for putting that in on your channel
Thanks for doing this series. I have read a number of your blogs posted earlier about solutions for modern day passenger service and just watched all three episodes of the RUclips channel. I think another challenge to not only city based commuter service, but commercials real estate developers who build/lease office space, and the businesses themselves that occupy them, is the shift from office based to home based work. I recently lived in Northern Virginia in the US, read Washington DC area, with a purpose built commuter system, and is now facing loss of ridership as the public and private employers are letting more and more staff work permanently or x days a week at home. Look forward to more of your series and efforts wanna be advocates like me can do to support rail in Australia.
Great comment hope to see you at the next episode
Thanks for video. A great loss.
I remember well catching the train from Yarra Glen most weeks to see South Melbourne play in 1975 and 1976 (had to get a lift from home in Christmas Hills to YG and back - but better than making my parents drive me all the way to Lilydale).
Thanks for that. I remember getting a steam special to Yarra Glen as a 5 year old...then much later in my late teens when the line reopened. Also my grandmother took me on rides on the rail car all the way to the end. Glad the line was some use!
Far out mate.
You know what the biggest thing for kids living up in Healesville, is they yearn to escape and move closer to the city. So, having rail all the way out there would have been huge. It's incredible. But, then again, I think for rail service there is an argument that commuter rail is going too far for Lilydale.
Thanks Beren. I don't see any good reason why they couldn't have strived for the 37min timetable from FSS to Lilydale they were capable of doing when the driver wanted to clock off shift, and then running 25 min to Healesville. A train taking just over 1 hour with comfy seats and a toilet would be fine. I wouldn't have been needed every 10 minutes, maybe hourly with an extra few in peak times.
And didn't have to be a suburban train, nor would I exclude suburban passengers from using it. In contemporary terms, maybe like Bacchus Marsh, which is about a similar distance and uses the H sets behind a loco. And in 1984, with a bit of rearranging of the fleet, could have been done.
@@radicallyrethinkingrailwaysina just historically speaking when did Melbourne rail have that giant slump in passenger numbers?
@@berenscott8999 I think 1985 was the bottom year, probably a continuous fall from about 1955 though I would have to check that for sure. Remember too, there was a lengthening of average journey length since the suburban system began - we some times struggle to understand why the old timetables had trains terminating at Essendon, Oakleigh, Elsternwick or Box Hill but these were the effective limits of settlement for a long time. So while the headcount fell, the revenue kms did not fall as quickly which is why they kept buying trains.
@@radicallyrethinkingrailwaysina so my perspective, government is struggling to cut back where ever possible. It pinpoints via a ratio of revenue:expense the problem areas, and it cuts back where ever it can. And let's remember, with government, revenue has to be enough to cover all social expenses. So, if I am in government during a downward trend, push all profitable services and cut the lowest of the lows. Imagine it's like hypothermia. The blood pulls in from the limbs to protect the inner core whilst allowing limbs to essentially fall off.
@@radicallyrethinkingrailwaysina Well if they can keep trains running to Hurstbridge, Warburton and Healesville doesn't sound that ridiculous.
Congratulations on making this series. A fundamental issue in my view is the difficulty in arguing that 19th century routes are fit for 21st century purposes. Commuter, tourist, long distance (high speed) and freight all seem to need different solutions and a one size fits all approach seems just too hard. Looking forward to your views in future videos!
Thanks great comment. I will be doing some very controversial ones!
Bloody Abo propaganda.
try using english in your narration so those who dont use the aborignal words know what the hell you are talking about
Goodbye.