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This was outstanding Tom. I guess its not about the length of the video but the content. People value good content and love to watch more of it so this myth about shorter videos being in demand is not fully accurate when it comes to topics like this. You did take time but every minute was worth it, the information you provided justified the time. More power to ya! I recently began watching your stuff and I like everything I have watched so far. Looking forward to more.
Hey just want to leave a little feedback. It would be more pleasing to watch if you stood a bit farther away from the camera. Your head is a bit cut off and your hands aren't always in frame. I think it would be a more pleasing viewing experience if it were always possible to see your hands and follow them.
Hey Check out the german system, not taxfunded and democratically organized by representative interest groups of the publick and politicians / with a certain ratio limiting influence, imho the most independent we can get
I find it remarkable that the media corporations label RT and Al-Jazeera "state-sponsored media" while the BBC and DW are labelled as "public broadcasting".
@@currentcomentor1026 Yep. In regards to independence and editorial freedom, Al Jazeera is closer to what most folks would call "public" than "state" media. The BBC was shutting down their Arabic service and the Emir basically said "I'll fund you" with very few strings attached. That was a while ago though... I don't really know the current state of affairs there. Anyways, there's not a clear line or anything... But it boils down to the degree of independence the journalists and editors have. Of course who pays the bills matters a lot, but how much control the state exercises isn't a 1:1 correlation with that. Corporate media isn't independent either. Hell, random dudes on youtube are beholden to what gets them "engagement"
As a current media MA student, I just want to say this is an excellent video that has been well-researched and articulated so perfectly. Genuinely incredible.
When I first saw the clips of people on the boats. It felt like I was watching a human nature documentary with the reporter watching these people trying to survive, whilst not intervening to save and help them. It is really disturbing about how they turned them from people fleeing their homes into either threats or just statistics.
It's good that they're turned into statistics, since that's the only way to get an idea of the scale of a problem... It's objective... You should applaud that...
I hadn’t considered that the report was reducing these people to statistics, but it absolutely did. The report seemed completely innocuous to me at first but that was a great aha moment. They could’ve framed the event in so many different other ways. Your channel is fascinating! Truly a gem. Not to mention your style is very unique. Thanks for this insight and for being a great RUclipsr.
Mmm, so he makes the claim that talking about the numbers is a dehumanizing tactic, used to make these Iraqi migrants appear unworthy of sympathy. Later, he tells us that in the 90's and early 00's, the media was painting these same migrants as worthy victims. What he doesn't touch on is whether or not reports of suffering under Saddam Hussein were presented anecdotally or statistically. And I'm sure you could find examples of either, but broadly speaking, that was done statistically. It's what you might think of as talking out of both sides of your mouth. There's nothing wrong with Tom having political leanings or in him trying to persuade others to his leanings, but he's dealing in rhetoric, not in grounded logical argumentation.
@@michaeltorrisi7289 No it wasn't. The reporting on victims of Saddam were anecdotal as much as statistical. But it doesn't really matter. Tom's argument is that whether "victims" are portrayed as "worthy" or not depends on those victims' relationship with British (in this case) Foreign Policy. There's no doublespeak there, it's pointing out a contradiction. Your comment is not grounded in logical argumentation.
I’m literally about to get into a zoom call for a college class about politics and the media and this single video has been more informative than the entire class for the 5 weeks I’ve been in it
It is worth adding that you will literally almost never see any one on the News who isn't in the supertax league, and that's true for most of the important backroom staff.. Even if the journalist attempts to be objective they just aren't aware of many things the working and middle-classes experience.
Yeah, I think I'm right in saying that, in the UK, there's a far higher proportion of privately educated and Oxbridge educated people in the media than in the rest of the population. As you suggest, this is going to massively shape how they cover something like the benefits system as its simply something they'll never have experienced.
@@Tom_Nicholas Yes I hadn't even considered the class privilege side of things. Btw Thanks so much for making this video-this issue bothered me so much I actually felt like I would have had to make something like it myself-and I'm glad I didn't because it wouldn't have been as good as this.
@@Tom_Nicholas This is partly because getting a good journalism job requires contacts and often working as an unpaid intern for a year or so to get a foot in the door. Naturally it tends to be people with generational wealth on their side who have the means to do this.
Alright. Hands down the smartest political youtuber out there. These kind of videos help us prepare for exams such as UPSC back in India. Helps us gain objectivity that enables us to look beyond narratives. Amazing brother. Thank You. You have no idea how much of a service you are doing to young impressionable minds in a society where truth has been replaced with post truth.
I'm a fourth year journalism student, I found this fascinating and truly hope there will be a place for unbiased and honest journalism down the road. Unfortunately, as we were taught in the first lecture of first year the news industry can fit in a single elevator. Can only but hold myself to account. Thanks for the fantastic video!
Oh gosh to show the vulnerable people at that little boat as a threat just enrages me, it is total cowardice. I would never be able to talk about this issue as calmly as you did, and I respect that.
It was a really tough balance to strike; both wanting to keep the analysis bit feeling rigorous whilst also wanting to not end up just echoing the dehumanising aspects of the report itself in that analysis. I hope the final section of this video manages to, at least in some small way, speak back to some of that stuff and re-inject a bit of empathy into the discussion.
It's even more frustrating when the caravan that came in October of 2018 to influence the election not a single person mentioned the caravan that came 6 months before and nothing happened then
i (and my brother) have both been having this argument for years with our father; a longtime journalist, now speechwriter for a state legislator. the level of cognitive dissonance about what he dedicated so much of his life to has been so frustrating. especially because, i am pretty sure, he has read manufacturing consent.
I think one of the benefits of the "filter" model is that it accounts for the fact that a lot of the process is out of the hands of individuals journalists. While they obviously still play a role, a lot of it is about shaping the context in which they're working so that it *feels* like they're doing a better job than they are.
@@Tom_Nicholas agreed. btw, the police example you brought up has been a longtime point of ours. this is a particular area in which i have seen/believe journalism has never done its role but has consistently pat itself on the back for doing so, whilst it denied the role it was playing in acting as a pr outlet including not doing any journalistic due diligence on information passed to reporters or news outlets. the rationale being "this is teh only reliable source of information on this", which wouldnt fly for any other form of story at all.
@@kingofracism all lives mater, before you even go there. in case you are being honest in wanting to expand your views, the meaning behind black lives mater simply means that it's 2020 yet, still getting born in USA, you would do good for yourself being born white, not black. In the eyes of the system, all of various government bodies, police and courts, insurance companies, healthcare providers, welfare and unemployment offices,zoning comissions, it's 2020 and your color still maters. What's much more disgusting if you ask me, is that it's made that way on purpuse, little by inertia, but much more as a way to create an outlet for the white working poor. So that they could in their frustration look down on someone and think at least I am better then them. All of which just serves the purpuse of not rocking the boat and questioning the legitimicy of paid in full goverment, comprised of people that have nothing in common with an average working American and don't represent their interests in the slightest. In short, if you are a racists in 2020, just do the rest of hamanity a favor and do a vasectomy.
@@kingofracism That's interesting. You've replied to me, I got alerted by yt app, yet reply only shows in my gmail inbox. You know, I don't really comment or start debates in any public or private places for reasons other then exchanging ideas and maybe learning something new. I see your point of view, but if you start your reflection on the world with all life don't mater, suicide seems like a logical next move. You obvioualy don't think that, otherwise why waste time and energy on a comment. I live dark humor, but if you are depressed, maybe seek some help..
@@Tom_Nicholas I remember seeing a clip of Chomsky being told by a journalist that they only write what they genuinely believe, to which Chomsky said something along the lines of, “I have no doubt that you believe what you write, because if you didn’t believe what you do, you’d be out of a job.” Basically, the circumstances leading up to journalists getting their positions, including prior work, means that major outlets select for those with views that correspond with their own.
Tom, you've created a masterpiece. Any attempt to describe how highly I think of this video is doomed so I'll just say this: this is required viewing, and the world is a better place because this video exists. Thank you for making it.
As long as it wasn't sociology, psychology or gender studies it probably wasn't a total waste. Also I don't think you can get the certificate watching youtube videos. Now there's a money spinner.
One of the best critical analysis of media bias. Manufacturing consent is a phenomenal work but a complex one too. And you have done a marvelous job of condensing it to a short accessible video essay with a very engaging example. Well done.
Time to add this to my pile of "Good videos that explain my point but no one but me and certain friends will watch because its too many Sargons long." Very good video and this comment is an offering to the almighty RUclips Algorithm.
weirdly I'm reminded of english lessons in primary and secondary school, where we were taught different "genres" of writing - newspapers, diaries, stories, etc. obviously to help us distinguish what literary devices and tones etc. are appropriate for each style. But I do distinctly remember being taught to write a newspaper in a /persuasive/ way - in a way to get the audience to take a certain side. It's like it's an open thing that the news has ulterior motives but it's also not questioned either
I remember my teacher making us take a political compass test beforehand, so we could address our biases. 11 year old us didn't understand what any of the questions meant, but I appreciate the effort -- even if wider society just accepts the way the media is.
At least in Germany, there are different styles of journalistic writing. The biased one is called "boulevard" iirc and is usually about nonpolitical topics like obesity, vaccines etc. that want you to take a standpoint. The other one is full neutral and e.g. about an accident or some short summary of a speech or address.
That's a good point! Although sometimes i think its perfectly fine if the journalist has an opinion they're pushing. It becomes a problem when it's no longer easily distinguishable which is which, or when there is only one of the two, which I'm pretty sure is where we are right meow
Your videos in general but especially this one are such wonderful explanations. I'm always engaged and I can follow every logical step, you give the viewer enough information that they can reach the same/similar conclusion just before you do. Which shows just how much of a good job you do!
@@byrongsmith please, being right wing or especially somewhat wanting to preserve your culture and blood is essentially forbidden today. The police harras nationalists, no doubt you highly agree with that behaviour.
What a stellar essay. I was initially apprehensive when you discussed transitioning to focus on the refugees in the boat, not because I felt differently than you clearly do about the state of those victims, but because I felt that their abysmal circumstances and the actions that led to them were beyond the scope of an essay about the factors that influence mainstream journalism and the tools used to shape those narratives. But *boy* was I wrong. I was too young to understand the news coverage you mentioned of Iraq at the time it was aired, but the terms you addressed regarding "worthy" and "unworthy victims" in journalist narrative were extremely thought-provoking. The subjects of that narrative aren't different, but the goals of the people shaping that narrative now are, and that's the key caveat that savvy media consumers should remember when approaching contemporary mainstream journalism. I'm finishing up my undergrate degree, so as someone who has spent *a lot* of time and effort over the last four years studying and writing research papers, think pieces, and essays, I feel fairly confident in saying that this was very well done.
@@Tom_Nicholas rather have shit ads here where most people will be able to recognize them for what they are, rather than somewhere else where another, more impressionable person may see it and be negatively affected by it
KindleT Witt The right wing spends a lot on ads. The RUclips algorithm does not differentiate left from right.. only keywords. I’m constantly getting right wing ads.
I couldn't watch the whole thing because of the (annoying unnecessary repetitive propagandistic) background music. Sorry. For content as rich as this is, the background music is distracting and detracts from what you could be accomplishing without it. Maybe a little bit at the beginning and a tiny bit at the end would be okay..... You might want to consider eliminating it all in the middle.
@@oscarallen4718 I got to the 37-minute mark and just couldn't take it anymore.... Sounds like carnival sort of saxophony you may have to turn up your speakers to hear it... It just doesn't need to be there. This guy has some good information that doesn't need that music.
Haha, there's definitely a point to which, having spent more than a week writing something, it's much easier to be level-headed about a topic. When I'd first been watching the clip through I was pretty outraged but having worked on it for so long meant that I at least could have a bit of distance on it.
Thats more of a one-line joke or wordplay, rather than any significant statement that ought be made in a debate about inherent media biases. Aka I like George Carlin and he had views ahead of his time, but that bit is largely irrelevant here.
@@swine13 the full segment (prior to that punchline) explains how the corporate masters who own the press and the government and us don't want us to be critical thinkers. That leads up to the punchline regarding the American dream. I think it's relevant to the myth of the free press.
The BBC removed Gary Lineker from Match of the Day after he tweeted against Suella Braverman's rhetoric demonising asylum seekers crossing the Channel. This video is very appropriate to the topic.
Why is all of breadtube just composed of theater kids? Edit: everyone shitting on my content not realising I'm a leftist too, and a breadtube aficionado 🙃
Well i for one am very pleased that some theatre kids are reading 'Manufacturing Consent' and showing it's relevance in the 21st century......as well as being able to spell 'theatre'.
He' has a team, most probably made in an Advertising studio after or even during Hrs,. There's hundreds, of those neat half truth video's and their fake looking thru after effects to mask his real identity and looks...he's part of the propaganda he reports on, of course no. actual news, all of that we knew, he won't tell you how they are all actors
My dude, I love your videos, and this one, as a journalist, I love especially. I do want to mention, though, that independent journalism is a real thing. It will never be unbiased because objectivity is impossible, but: (1) it is manipulated much less; (2) its bias is more transparent, we independent journalists tend to make our opinion pretty transparent. It's not glamorous, it's not well paid (most lf the time, it's not paid at all), it's not for "the masses", but it's good journalism: we don't roleplay as perfect, impartial, benevolent information gods. Instead, we write as honestly as we can. Great video, mate. Loved it.
This was a fantastic video! I studied and wrote about Manufacturing Consent as a part of my degree, and it's great to see it presented in such an accessible way. I'm sure I don't speak for everyone, but videos of this length are fine by me! Love a good deep dive :)
Wouldn't manufactured consent work to for example by convincing an identifiable group of people that all these masses of people to their country is a good thing, even though it will push down wages, push up house prices, increase demand on resources, require more green land to build on, reduce social cohesion and the most important one guarantee that they wont exist within a certain amount of generations in the future. So it goes against all common sense to do and yet some how we all agree to it but we've never voted for it. I mean what healthy thinking group of people consciously throw their ancestors struggles away in the past and their own people's existence in the future unless their consent had been, manufactured?
This video needs to be shown to every student majoring in journalism, and to any person in, or going into the field of journalism. It also needs to be shown to anyone who has interest in politics, or just people who watch or read the news. So, yeah, pretty much everyone should have to watch this.
This is pure quality information and knowledge, served in a very professional and easily digestive manner despite having a high taxonomy. Thank you yet again for making high quality content!
I would argue it's not inherent, but rather acquired. The print media in the UK are so far right, that even a center positioned media can look left leaning. So for a public network to appear impartial, they are forced to position themselves a bit to the right.
it infuriates me watching the bbc video, seeing those reporters just watch and tape these poor refugees trying to get across the channel without even thinking to help them from their *actual* boat. it just goes to show how little they think of these ppl-they don’t care to show their perspective, they don’t care to help them, they don’t even ASK to record them during what i imagine is probably one of the most terrifying experiences of their lives, instead choosing to commodify them and reduce them to boogeymen and stats. it’s incredibly gross. but great video as per usual tom! thoroughly enjoyed your media analysis, thanks for sharing :)
"outright fabrication is incredibly rare" Hello yes, it's Australia here, we'd like to submit the entire Murdoch response to our bushfires, climate change, and now the Royal Commission created by Kevin Rudd as evidence of "complete fabrication of events".
The media fabricates news all the time about Cuba, Venezuela, North Korea and China. But it is easier to fabricate news when it happens on other countries, specially if they're isolated.
@@matheusvillela9150 Gotta agree. I liked the video but the BBC and other news sources in the UK are guilty of fabrication when it comes to stories outside of the country.
Reading Understanding Power by Chomsky was one of the most eye opening experiences and it’s scary to think how much of what was said translates to social media sites
Haha, I'm definitely hoping to use some of the newly-found free time to keep improving my videos. I am also going to try to get a bit better at having some occasional time off too though (which, to be honest, will probably also help make my videos better...)!
@@Tom_Nicholas All in the service of better videos! Whatever it takes! I already have a bit of a backlog of videos of yours that I really, really want to watch. So you're already doing fine in that regard. If my taste is any indication.
Minor criticism: Multiple times, you refer to the focus on the supposed mass immigration in the framing of the event in the report as a "focus on numbers" as a means to not focus on the wellbeing of the immigrants, and I think that's a mistake. The issue is not a focus on numbers, but the choice of which numbers to focus on. I think you'd very easily agree that a focus on different numbers (such as the rates at which Iraqis have access to food, water, etc.) would serve the purpose you mention.
@@src175 The point is that the bias is not necessarily the fact that they focus on numbers per se, but rather which particular numbers they choose to focus on.
I think you know you’re being unnecessarily pedantic, you understood the message conveyed. Even still, either way you’d be reducing real people and suffering to numbers, instead of presenting the refugees as humans in need of help. That would be far less palatable than statistics in the abstract. You’re welcome
@@breno855 I'd say so yeah. He's got a similar style to, say, Ollie Thorn and even covers similar topics (as he mentions in his Musk videos). Like I guess labels aren't exactly super helpful, and I'd argue there's a lot of breadtubers that people don't recognize as such (Cuck Philosophy, for example), but yeah. I'd definitely say Tom's recent content qualifies as breadtube content.
I just discovered your channel yesterday as I was searching for Guy Debord and the Situationists who had a profound effect on me many years ago and I must tell you that I am absolutely impressed with your work and your delivery on so many necessary subjects . And yes , these are subjects and philosophies that I relate to , but I truly see and appreciate your vision and delivery . Very well done ! I am thrilled to find you ! And to all those who say don't take the money , take it , because that is how things get done , sadly . Your perspective is very valuable and needed.
I used to do my best to stay up to watch it in the evening. But it's become very prone to client journalism as of late (as I hope I explore in this vid!).
@@Tom_Nicholas I wrote my original comment too soon - I now know why BBC reports are the way they are. So interesting and a bit scary when you grow up taught it's an 'impartial' channel! Thanks again.
I'm super new to communism and am starting to wonder how on earth you seem so calm and sane :). Any tips, because I'm started to feel pretty powerless?
This is a propaganda piece, re-hashing the same old crap , anybody with any sense , knows that, did he tell you that all those boots people were all actors , they also have numerous profiles for fake characters in National Geographic,
@@mutanazublond4391 you meant "Boat" people I assume; and the point of the analysis of that news clip is that the media purposefully manipulates "information" to paint a biased view of events. The people on the boat being actors only strengthens that argument.
What a great video, now I’m interested in the biases of other news sources (public and private) in my own country Austria. Commenting to support a wonderful channel :)
I only found this channel around a week ago and already binged a lot of videos, you're so well spoken, come across really well and obviously put in a lot of work, well done
Your videos have been super helpful in understanding everything you've discussed. I discovered your channel through your "How to Spot a Fascist" video, and I was really impressed by how you took a subject I was confused by and made it super understandable! Glad to see that your videos are getting more and more theatrical and informative 🙂
@@Tom_Nicholas Chomsky can say what he want's, as he repeats the same old little halve facts o&o!, If I had some real news, on the media and how they truly operate, you wouldn't even respond to me, because you're little '' Jillian Assange type of , let's get emotional, with the peoples on those little boats , even single One is an actor, just like BBC Africa eye, seen many doco 's, and they have gone from hyping up little event, to right now , setting up a scripted crime scene's like that Pyramid scam, witch when on. for a while, then they lie and uncover it... instead of the actual problem, why they (not those, I know them personally, so before you start denying it,
Haha, that wasn't something I was intentionally going for, but then, when I was looking back at the thumbnail yesterday, I suddenly realised it had a very similar vibe! And thanks, really glad you liked it!
Another great video. I particularly appreciated your explanation at the end about how the same media that once framed Iraqis as worthy victims when we (US/UK) wanted to bomb Iraq now depicts them as unworthy now that they need to flee their destroyed country.
This is brilliant and incredibly relevant as we look to be heading into a new cold war. The 'Worthy and Unworthy Victims' showed the HK protests, and I can only laugh on how applicable that is. For months on end we heard every little thing the HK protesters and police did, all painted in a completely sympathetic light for the protesters. Meanwhile Yellow Vests never got this kind of glowing coverage. The situation in Kashmir happening simultaneously received barely any attention. I'll be damned if there isn't some agenda or bias here. The video itself is also excellent - high quality editing combined with a delivery style that belies professionalism. Definitely one of the best things I've watched on RUclips in weeks.
The "coverage" by our media on the migrant "crisis" has been appalling. No context given to understand why people would risk crossing such a channel, minimal discussion on the causes/catalysts of migration and a complete absence of any moral/ethical (or even legal) obligations we may have to these people.
@@pringleaddict5827 This is a disturbing opinion and understanding to have of the political framework that leads to migrant suffering in the first place.For anyone looking for information that is based on statistical, factual, ethical, political histories and contexts of these crises, I highly recommend checking out the book "Border and Rule" by Harsha Walia. The issue is not one of "borders not being strict enough". It is an issue far deeper and more systemic than that.Policing of borders and bordering itself is a result of and reinforcement of the same violent political contexts that lead to refugee suffering.
Why are there many Germans watching English speaking leftist channels? Don't get me wrong it's amazing to see that but out of all countries Germany has a fair share in English speaking youtube 😶. Also I am currently learning German so I would love to see such content being made in German if you don't mind giving me some recommendations! ❤🇩🇪
Or "Edward S. Herman and Noam Chomsky's 1988 book Manufacturing Consent". Didn't notice quite how much I'd repeated that phrase until it came to editing...
Great work, Tom. Thanks for the time taken in making these important issues! On the top of my list is becoming a patreon supporter once it's financially viable. Cheers
The vibe that BBC report gave of was very 2012/13 Australia. Just some context, during that time Australia had their own refugee crisis with the Liberal party of Australia (the conservative party) promising to "stop the boats". Along with a boatload of fear mongering for the media they won the 2013 election, which lead to Tony Abbott being Prime minister. Cool video though, would send to dad out of ten.
We still have that, btw. Its just moved to "everyone is now in a detention centre" and thats sort of where it stagnated. Ita actually kinda horrific to think about. We're holding innocent people - families- basically in jail and nothing will get done about it until we vote the current party out of govt for a few years so the opposition can detangle that mess of red tape. The problem is that our Liberal party liked to use "boat people" as a trump card when elections come up, knowing that they can win votes that way (even worse when you realise that "boat" people are coming into the country successfully by plane all the time). I hate our government and media. 😒
Great video! Very relatable since I work in the news industry and am all too aware of its inherent biases. I really need to read that Noam Chomsky book.
At this point I’m convinced a significant portion of the population of the UK are so divorced from reality that they cannot be reasoned with. It’s a depressing state of affairs
Ethan Philpot As someone who’s from Ireland we have a somewhat biased media but it’s nothing on the same scale as this. It’s crazy looking at this from an outside perspective
I'm enjoying this thread of people from different countries checking-in to essentially just say "same here". Edit: Although I will add, I think there's always ways to reason with people! As I see it, it's generally about working to find the link between the issue at hand and their everyday life; does the way in which something is framed in the media *actually* track with their experiences?
No use seeking a diplomatic solution when technical ones are available. To quote actual ancient Chinese wisdom "the doctrine of universal love has been a failure"
We have a strong left wing press in Norway but they only seem to cover the minutea of government and cultural issues, and rarely of ever offer up a broader picture of systemic political inadequacy or the resulting economic failings. I live in Morocco now so l can't say too much because I have only ever read the English speaking papers or net news but funnily enough a teacher's strike with protest marches seemed to be portrayed relatively sympathetically on the TV news compared to how the British tabloids might cover a similar event, or at least that's my impression.
Thank you! People write books about this, study this topics for years, write papers about it, and you effectively and efficiently educate the mass in less than one hour. Well done!
This to be one of most specific , enumerated and precise media analyses of news I have seen on you tube. It's like seeing a journal article as a video.
As someone who is doing research on the operation of the propaganda model in brazilian media, I'd like to say THANK YOU for this video! Such eloquence in describing the theoretical basis, such excelent editing, such efficiency in dissecting the key issues in news coverage and reporting... This is the kind of content I'd like to see more of on RUclips. Keep it up!
Where ever I end up, I always come back to Tom Nicholas videos... I basically use ur media as a podcast, while working or whatever. I'm listening to this video for third time now in last 3-4 months. But in last month, my conscience is very much bombarded by China "vs" US topic.... In a lot of ways it reminded me of manufacturing consent like it could be seen in a past 2-3 decades when it comes to Libya, Iraq, Yugoslavia... At the current state, It looks clear to me in way in which it is all heading, and it is making me depressed... I really dont want it to head in that direction this time. I alone cant stop it, nor solve it. But I certainly can work, fight and even give life if needed for some ideals. Whether US and UK like it or not, the belt and road strategy of China must happen. Otherwise there will always be poverty and war in Middle East, Africa and somewhat Balkan and Anatolia.
I’ve always loved how deliciously ironic that is. And now you get to pay Jeff Bezos a chunk of your salary each month to read at least one article a week on why taxing the rich is bad.
My entire senior thesis in university in 2009 was about this very subject. I described in detail how framing by the careful inclusion/omission and phrasing of details in a news report sets an agenda that ultimately causes bias, and I accurately predicted a future news landscape wherein fact-based "hard news" would totally cave to op-ed pieces and debate panels. The professors almost laughed me out of the building, but they're eating their words now. I warned everyone that the "facts are boring" attitude in society would lead to exclusively entertainment-based news coverage from every single media outlet, but nobody listened. I don't know about the rest of you, but I don't want to hear some stupid anchor or pundit's opinion about a current event, I only want to know what happened and when. I can draw my own conclusions, I don't need a talking head to tell me how to think.
these videos are incredibly interesting mate, massive well done :D also - where on earth is your accent from? I've heard it before but just can't pinpoint where that lilt at the end of some words is from
I love this video. It's a great treatment of an extremely important topic. I want to give some context to the point about US media mostly absorbing Trump's flak and continuing to go about their business. It does look this way to me, too, but the long-term trend has been for conservatives to decry the media's "liberal bias" and media outlets to respond by going easier and easier on conservatives. It's been a decades long, incremental process. At this point, the worst a conservative spokesperson can usually expect, no matter how absurd or groundless their position, is to be positioned on camera opposite a liberal counterpart, reducing the whole issue to "this side says this, that side says that, who knows what the truth is?"
Yeah, I hope I didn't overstate that bit. My hope was to get across the fact that they've continued to challenge Trump not necessarily that they always do so in the most useful manner...
Obviously I'd rather they gave me some money to shill for them, but it's a company called Percival. They're not particularly cheap but they're decent quality.
I would argue that even the events described by media tend to be false or grossly mischaracterized. Circular reporting is a real problem. Lots of people provide sources, but they never verify their sources.
What I find most taxing is not deconstructing the bias of any one media utterance, but rather the ongoing work of having to try and collate multiple viewpoints (often obscured by pay walls) on any given event in order to suss out some semblance of "truth." It is so time, energy, and money intensive to continuously engage in this process that even the best meaning consumer of media often must choose to only focus on one cause or at best a vanishingly small fraction of the total media landscape. Unless one is doing so as one's primary employment, staying current on world events would require one to forego sleep and recreation entirely. Thus it's wholly understandable for a well-meaning media consumer to wish they could depend on a single source of media utterances, both in terms of choosing what deserves one's attention and what meaning to attach to deserving events. Unfortunately, there exists no such source. The best for which one can hope is to choose a niche area in which to focus one's attentions and resign oneself to being chronically uninformed regarding the rest of the tapestry of human narratives.
LoL, of course there is no "one source" of the "truth" because all news and sources have their own biases. What you view as a chore is standard in Europe. For example, in Norway the best new source is the state new channel. Omg Communism!?! No, but rather that they are not directly controlled by the government via regulation protection, they are funded by taxes that the government has limited impact on (they cant just change it o a whim), their press workers are defended from their boss via worker regulation and the tv station is not allowed to run ads. In turn it incentives to report what general consensus want to know about and there is no negative asking hard questions. For example as the police department mentioned here. Regulation prevents the police picking in and choosing what is best for them. They are public servants, they have to answer! Ergo, they dont have the leverage one assume or have in USA, for example. Then you have governmental funding support of news media IF they follow a set of rules. In short, not being PR BS ala Fox News. So other private news channels moderate themselves a bit to get this, but also to be seen as valid in context of the states channel. If private shill too much. The consensus will end up them not being trust. That said, which is a good starting point for most news sources in Norway, that doesnt mean there are no bias within the sources. OF COURSE you will get Norway beneficial leaning from NRK (state news), you will get capital bias from economical news sources, left leaning sources will have their given bias and to use an example here. From my point of view, even if BBC is decent, they will have a British lean in their reporting. Here is how one deduct where the middle ground is. Notice I didnt say ideal, regardless of "BBC" facts. I would most likely see NRK reporting as the ideal because they will report in a manner that benefits Nor citizen, aka me among others. Anyway: 1. Know their inherent bias and take their reporting in such context. (Oh, and I dont mean right vs left necessarily, but more in a broader aspect. BBC will always be pro British interests etc) 2. Is the source a mainstream with feeling, very dry fact focused report or pure economical. 3. Check out sources representing the 3 and you find the "truth". You want to know how your opposition view the same issue. You find 3 similar that lean towards their bias. None political example: 1. Mainstream report that winter is going to be cold, but it wont increase power cost too much. 2. Economical focused news focus on increasing money speculation in electric power while people are complaining or being glad that current day infrastructure is as it is. Here, the "truth" should be obvious and considering the positive leaning on 2. It is more likely at 1 is less correct than 2 and one should therefor hedge ones view on the issue if one uses allot of power during the winter. This is how ALL NEWS should be consumed. Not as a peasant that just wants to have a single news source they can "trust" because they are too lazy to pickup a few things here and there during the day. Not all stories have to be interesting to you. There is no need to follow everything, but things you do follow shouldnt just be influenced by one source.
I only recently stumbled on your channel and I am blown away by your careful dissection and explanation of media theories and its effects on culture today. Never thought I would see media theory discussed in such an engaging and entertaining way! Keep up the good work man!
Literally had a falling out with someone over how they honestly thought that CNN and FOX News represented some dichotomy. I was like "they're literally the same, you have no perspective" and I was gonna explain why but it just takes too much damn education and I don't have the tools for it. I'm sick of trying to discuss things with someone and never being able to because essentially what they need to do is not talk, but shut-up and do homework on these issues. But I always come across as some douchebag but.... I'm right, and I can prove it... but they just won't do the reading!
I feel this. I get the same shit from my stepfather whenever he corners me into a "conversation" on my progressive views. It's so frustrating, like you said, all they need to do is read a bit on their own and educate themselves, and that's not difficult nowadays
I think this is why I generally think the debate format (at least as it exists online) is pretty useless: the focus is on being able to pull the right thing to say out of your back pocket. In reality, going away and coming back with a better answer a few days later isn't a sign of any kind of intellectual weakness but of actually being dedicated to looking into things rather than simply countering a blow in some kind of boxing match of the mind.
@@RedSkyYT64 I know right. What gets me is that they make me out to be the villain. But there is no nice way to essentially say "you're too ignorant to discuss this. Please go away and do a few months of reading and get back to me." I have even offered to share years worth of educational YT videos and such but they just won't take it. I ask them point-blank "do you care whats true? Do you care if you've been lied to?" and they think I'm trying to trap them which is exactly what the opposition does. Its like the well of discourse is so poisoned and thats how the right likes it. Plus, one of the things I don't like about the left is the "we're too smart and its not our job to educate you" but I kinda think it should be but I don't know how and they won't take any of it. UGH.
@@Tom_Nicholas this is definitely the best way to go about it, yeah. I don't know if it's different in other places (i suspect not), but where i live there are precious few people willing to put an ongoing discussion on hold, and when i come back with more information to continue where we left off, i generally just get the same response: "Why are you bringing that up again? We're done with that, you were wrong."
@@Tom_Nicholas And therein is one of the most toxic problems these days - the aestheitcs of intellectualism with no investment in its practice. Its pure sophistry and grift on the right. It has to be because they're always wrong. I don't think its an accident either. Capitalism has corrupted even conversation because we've been raised on soundbites and 'gotchas.' I have so many discussions even about meaningless things and all anyone cares about is some 'unbeatable' point to K.O their interlocutors. Its madness. Its like there's no goodfaith anymore. And again, I don't think thats an accident either. When there isn't any in media, maybe people have forgotten what it even looks like.
Title Card: The "Migrant Crisis" Me, a German: *three hours long flashback of an endless stream of pundits claiming Angela Merkel was/is somehow "left leaning" * Also Me: Oh boi
Most definitely worthy of my time, watched to the end, so glad to see chomsky mentioned here I regard it a blessing that he still graces our screen with his interviews imparting clarity through his encyclopaedic knowledge of modern history. I really appreciate the fact that you took a domestic example for your case study here, all too often we confine bias press coverage to other "lesser" countries failing to acknowledge the systemic misrepresentation of events that resounds across our country. I enjoy your content in a broad sense but find your thorough brick by brick analysis especially well suited to this more dissident theme. Thankyou for your effort here, you've done a great job and please...MORE CHOMSKY!
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This was outstanding Tom. I guess its not about the length of the video but the content. People value good content and love to watch more of it so this myth about shorter videos being in demand is not fully accurate when it comes to topics like this. You did take time but every minute was worth it, the information you provided justified the time. More power to ya! I recently began watching your stuff and I like everything I have watched so far. Looking forward to more.
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Hey just want to leave a little feedback. It would be more pleasing to watch if you stood a bit farther away from the camera. Your head is a bit cut off and your hands aren't always in frame. I think it would be a more pleasing viewing experience if it were always possible to see your hands and follow them.
Hey Check out the german system, not taxfunded and democratically organized by representative interest groups of the publick and politicians / with a certain ratio limiting influence, imho the most independent we can get
Framing is the means through which the modern media weaponizes public opinion.
Tom out here looking like he wants someone to bring him pictures of Spiderman.
AND I WANT THEM YESTERDAY PARKER.
@@Tom_Nicholas shit, when did Christopher Nolan start writing Spiderman?
*Spider-Man
@@garrett2439 *Supaidah mahn!
@@Ghost_of_Avalon *espider man
I find it remarkable that the media corporations label RT and Al-Jazeera "state-sponsored media" while the BBC and DW are labelled as "public broadcasting".
This has long irked me. I very much believe in the *idea* of the BBC, but, as it currently exists, it does not fulfil that public service function.
Yes, though RT and Al-Jazeera are more directly controlled by their governments
@@computerfan1079 they're just more open about it
Al-jazerra is state owned by Quatar. But most of the personel are old BBC Arabic staff.
@@currentcomentor1026 Yep. In regards to independence and editorial freedom, Al Jazeera is closer to what most folks would call "public" than "state" media. The BBC was shutting down their Arabic service and the Emir basically said "I'll fund you" with very few strings attached. That was a while ago though... I don't really know the current state of affairs there.
Anyways, there's not a clear line or anything... But it boils down to the degree of independence the journalists and editors have. Of course who pays the bills matters a lot, but how much control the state exercises isn't a 1:1 correlation with that. Corporate media isn't independent either. Hell, random dudes on youtube are beholden to what gets them "engagement"
yeah this sounds like paid propaganda for big vhs. everybody knows betamax is the truth. great video otherwise.
What can I say? Their offer was too generous to refuse...
Tom Nicholas i respect you for your honesty. let’s hope they don’t alter their deal.
@@Tom_Nicholas why does this sound like they threatened you?
@2manynegativewaves what a piece of junk!
The outcome of the VHS/Betamax War was actually decided by... porn.
As a current media MA student, I just want to say this is an excellent video that has been well-researched and articulated so perfectly. Genuinely incredible.
Journalism school student as well; this report is simply amazing. Truly next level academic analysis. I want to share this with my ethics professor!
journalism student. this video has given me a framework for a fantastic media analysis thanks Tom!
As a current student of the Sociology of Visual Communication & Design course, I agree.
The pronunciation is so clear it's driving me insane. Tom has the hardest T sounds in the game.
Thanks now the Ts are just bombarding me 🙃
pretty sure thats for the foreigners like me :D Didnt even realize i heard those, and now i wonder how long he trained for that xD
This is what pop filters are for.
When I first saw the clips of people on the boats. It felt like I was watching a human nature documentary with the reporter watching these people trying to survive, whilst not intervening to save and help them.
It is really disturbing about how they turned them from people fleeing their homes into either threats or just statistics.
It really was chilling. And it was replicated on pretty much all the main channels too...
Just goes to show what state our media is in
@@samuelwilkin5 Just goes to show what state your country is in.
@@MPostma72 Can't really argue with that.
It's good that they're turned into statistics, since that's the only way to get an idea of the scale of a problem... It's objective... You should applaud that...
This man outdid himself
Ahh, thank you, that's very kind of you to say!
I knew when I saw the length of the video
Is this actually Rami Ismael watching Tom Nicholas? Love your games, sad to see Vlambeer go.
He indeed did.
I've always interpreted that saying as "It was good but you were trying too hard.."
I hadn’t considered that the report was reducing these people to statistics, but it absolutely did. The report seemed completely innocuous to me at first but that was a great aha moment. They could’ve framed the event in so many different other ways.
Your channel is fascinating! Truly a gem. Not to mention your style is very unique.
Thanks for this insight and for being a great RUclipsr.
Mmm, so he makes the claim that talking about the numbers is a dehumanizing tactic, used to make these Iraqi migrants appear unworthy of sympathy. Later, he tells us that in the 90's and early 00's, the media was painting these same migrants as worthy victims. What he doesn't touch on is whether or not reports of suffering under Saddam Hussein were presented anecdotally or statistically. And I'm sure you could find examples of either, but broadly speaking, that was done statistically. It's what you might think of as talking out of both sides of your mouth. There's nothing wrong with Tom having political leanings or in him trying to persuade others to his leanings, but he's dealing in rhetoric, not in grounded logical argumentation.
@@michaeltorrisi7289 No it wasn't. The reporting on victims of Saddam were anecdotal as much as statistical. But it doesn't really matter. Tom's argument is that whether "victims" are portrayed as "worthy" or not depends on those victims' relationship with British (in this case) Foreign Policy. There's no doublespeak there, it's pointing out a contradiction. Your comment is not grounded in logical argumentation.
As a teacher, I rewrote my whole unit on media bias. Thank you for this great informative and funny video!
Can you help me
@@thomasbeaumont8884 Yes absolutely what can I help with?
I’m literally about to get into a zoom call for a college class about politics and the media and this single video has been more informative than the entire class for the 5 weeks I’ve been in it
There’s not enough people making intelligent content like this. Very thoughtful analysis.
Thanks, I'm really glad you found it insightful!
It is worth adding that you will literally almost never see any one on the News who isn't in the supertax league, and that's true for most of the important backroom staff.. Even if the journalist attempts to be objective they just aren't aware of many things the working and middle-classes experience.
Yeah, I think I'm right in saying that, in the UK, there's a far higher proportion of privately educated and Oxbridge educated people in the media than in the rest of the population. As you suggest, this is going to massively shape how they cover something like the benefits system as its simply something they'll never have experienced.
@@Tom_Nicholas Yes I hadn't even considered the class privilege side of things. Btw Thanks so much for making this video-this issue bothered me so much I actually felt like I would have had to make something like it myself-and I'm glad I didn't because it wouldn't have been as good as this.
@@Tom_Nicholas This is partly because getting a good journalism job requires contacts and often working as an unpaid intern for a year or so to get a foot in the door. Naturally it tends to be people with generational wealth on their side who have the means to do this.
@@Tom_Nicholas The class privilege issue is just as rampant in US Media, too, and gives it a huge, completely intentional blind spot.
Class privilege issue is also even more prevalent in India for a really long time.
My offering to the almighty RUclips algo-god while I begin watching.
Haha, I appreciate your contribution to the cause!
The algo-god rises.
The same mysterious technological deity also brought me here! I will begin watching it later, for 55 minutes sounds like a long time.
Algo-god, hear me!
I too, make my offering
Alright. Hands down the smartest political youtuber out there. These kind of videos help us prepare for exams such as UPSC back in India. Helps us gain objectivity that enables us to look beyond narratives. Amazing brother. Thank You. You have no idea how much of a service you are doing to young impressionable minds in a society where truth has been replaced with post truth.
But can you maintain this much objectivity in your IAS exams? And then service later? You will do state's bidding?
Him and Bad Empanada are amazing
I'm a fourth year journalism student, I found this fascinating and truly hope there will be a place for unbiased and honest journalism down the road. Unfortunately, as we were taught in the first lecture of first year the news industry can fit in a single elevator. Can only but hold myself to account. Thanks for the fantastic video!
Oh gosh to show the vulnerable people at that little boat as a threat just enrages me, it is total cowardice. I would never be able to talk about this issue as calmly as you did, and I respect that.
It was a really tough balance to strike; both wanting to keep the analysis bit feeling rigorous whilst also wanting to not end up just echoing the dehumanising aspects of the report itself in that analysis. I hope the final section of this video manages to, at least in some small way, speak back to some of that stuff and re-inject a bit of empathy into the discussion.
It's even more frustrating when the caravan that came in October of 2018 to influence the election not a single person mentioned the caravan that came 6 months before and nothing happened then
That little boat is just a scene to fill in the video. Boats are alot bigger and there's alot more of them to be fit in.
@@xenomorphexidious9102 More vulnerable people to help rather than use to justify racial hatred.
@@marcorock7031 Yeah lets help them in their own land. Its overall easier.
i (and my brother) have both been having this argument for years with our father; a longtime journalist, now speechwriter for a state legislator. the level of cognitive dissonance about what he dedicated so much of his life to has been so frustrating. especially because, i am pretty sure, he has read manufacturing consent.
I think one of the benefits of the "filter" model is that it accounts for the fact that a lot of the process is out of the hands of individuals journalists. While they obviously still play a role, a lot of it is about shaping the context in which they're working so that it *feels* like they're doing a better job than they are.
@@Tom_Nicholas agreed. btw, the police example you brought up has been a longtime point of ours. this is a particular area in which i have seen/believe journalism has never done its role but has consistently pat itself on the back for doing so, whilst it denied the role it was playing in acting as a pr outlet including not doing any journalistic due diligence on information passed to reporters or news outlets. the rationale being "this is teh only reliable source of information on this", which wouldnt fly for any other form of story at all.
@@kingofracism all lives mater, before you even go there. in case you are being honest in wanting to expand your views, the meaning behind black lives mater simply means that it's 2020 yet, still getting born in USA, you would do good for yourself being born white, not black.
In the eyes of the system, all of various government bodies, police and courts, insurance companies, healthcare providers, welfare and unemployment offices,zoning comissions, it's 2020 and your color still maters.
What's much more disgusting if you ask me, is that it's made that way on purpuse, little by inertia, but much more as a way to create an outlet for the white working poor. So that they could in their frustration look down on someone and think at least I am better then them. All of which just serves the purpuse of not rocking the boat and questioning the legitimicy of paid in full goverment, comprised of people that have nothing in common with an average working American and don't represent their interests in the slightest.
In short, if you are a racists in 2020, just do the rest of hamanity a favor and do a vasectomy.
@@kingofracism That's interesting. You've replied to me, I got alerted by yt app, yet reply only shows in my gmail inbox.
You know, I don't really comment or start debates in any public or private places for reasons other then exchanging ideas and maybe learning something new.
I see your point of view, but if you start your reflection on the world with all life don't mater, suicide seems like a logical next move. You obvioualy don't think that, otherwise why waste time and energy on a comment. I live dark humor, but if you are depressed, maybe seek some help..
@@Tom_Nicholas I remember seeing a clip of Chomsky being told by a journalist that they only write what they genuinely believe, to which Chomsky said something along the lines of, “I have no doubt that you believe what you write, because if you didn’t believe what you do, you’d be out of a job.” Basically, the circumstances leading up to journalists getting their positions, including prior work, means that major outlets select for those with views that correspond with their own.
Tom, you've created a masterpiece. Any attempt to describe how highly I think of this video is doomed so I'll just say this: this is required viewing, and the world is a better place because this video exists. Thank you for making it.
Why did I pay bloody $30k for a whole damn degree when I could’ve just watched video essays. You’re awesome man
For the college experience
@@Rolando_Cueva $30,000 networking event
@@Rolando_Cueva Crippling debt and a stimulant addiction?
As long as it wasn't sociology, psychology or gender studies it probably wasn't a total waste. Also I don't think you can get the certificate watching youtube videos. Now there's a money spinner.
@@alanrobertson9790 Do you actually believe our society doesn't need people with a psychology degree?
One of the best critical analysis of media bias. Manufacturing consent is a phenomenal work but a complex one too. And you have done a marvelous job of condensing it to a short accessible video essay with a very engaging example. Well done.
Time to add this to my pile of "Good videos that explain my point but no one but me and certain friends will watch because its too many Sargons long." Very good video and this comment is an offering to the almighty RUclips Algorithm.
Well I've just found the name for the playlist
Is this a public playlist? I love video essays like this!
weirdly I'm reminded of english lessons in primary and secondary school, where we were taught different "genres" of writing - newspapers, diaries, stories, etc. obviously to help us distinguish what literary devices and tones etc. are appropriate for each style. But I do distinctly remember being taught to write a newspaper in a /persuasive/ way - in a way to get the audience to take a certain side. It's like it's an open thing that the news has ulterior motives but it's also not questioned either
I remember my teacher making us take a political compass test beforehand, so we could address our biases. 11 year old us didn't understand what any of the questions meant, but I appreciate the effort -- even if wider society just accepts the way the media is.
I literally once had to write an Article for english and I had points taken away for not being biased enough.
At least in Germany, there are different styles of journalistic writing. The biased one is called "boulevard" iirc and is usually about nonpolitical topics like obesity, vaccines etc. that want you to take a standpoint.
The other one is full neutral and e.g. about an accident or some short summary of a speech or address.
That's a good point! Although sometimes i think its perfectly fine if the journalist has an opinion they're pushing. It becomes a problem when it's no longer easily distinguishable which is which, or when there is only one of the two, which I'm pretty sure is where we are right meow
Your videos in general but especially this one are such wonderful explanations. I'm always engaged and I can follow every logical step, you give the viewer enough information that they can reach the same/similar conclusion just before you do. Which shows just how much of a good job you do!
Ahh, thank you Llewelyn, I'm really glad you found it easy to follow-that's always my most important consideration!
40:29 "this is a deeply political right wing union" - that's the first time i have ever heard the term "right wing union"!
See also: police unions.
It's not the first time I have heard it,we have some in OZ too
@@byrongsmith please, being right wing or especially somewhat wanting to preserve your culture and blood is essentially forbidden today.
The police harras nationalists, no doubt you highly agree with that behaviour.
@@hanswestmar4249 So forbidden that the president of the most powerful empire in human history made it his personal philosophy.
@@hanswestmar4249 You lost me at "blood". I see the thing with culture, but "blood" is a talking point exclusive to Nazis and it should stay that way.
What a stellar essay. I was initially apprehensive when you discussed transitioning to focus on the refugees in the boat, not because I felt differently than you clearly do about the state of those victims, but because I felt that their abysmal circumstances and the actions that led to them were beyond the scope of an essay about the factors that influence mainstream journalism and the tools used to shape those narratives.
But *boy* was I wrong. I was too young to understand the news coverage you mentioned of Iraq at the time it was aired, but the terms you addressed regarding "worthy" and "unworthy victims" in journalist narrative were extremely thought-provoking. The subjects of that narrative aren't different, but the goals of the people shaping that narrative now are, and that's the key caveat that savvy media consumers should remember when approaching contemporary mainstream journalism.
I'm finishing up my undergrate degree, so as someone who has spent *a lot* of time and effort over the last four years studying and writing research papers, think pieces, and essays, I feel fairly confident in saying that this was very well done.
Man it’s funny to get a Epoch Times ad on this video
Dammit. Pretty much whatever I cover in a video, some of the worst examples of that thing tend to end up being advertised before it!
Christ is it ever.
I've gone out of my way to hide and report these ads every time the show up, and it makes no difference. It's so frustrating!
@@Tom_Nicholas rather have shit ads here where most people will be able to recognize them for what they are, rather than somewhere else where another, more impressionable person may see it and be negatively affected by it
KindleT Witt The right wing spends a lot on ads. The RUclips algorithm does not differentiate left from right.. only keywords. I’m constantly getting right wing ads.
Really liking the energy in this!
Thanks!
I couldn't watch the whole thing because of the (annoying unnecessary repetitive propagandistic) background music. Sorry. For content as rich as this is, the background music is distracting and detracts from what you could be accomplishing without it. Maybe a little bit at the beginning and a tiny bit at the end would be okay..... You might want to consider eliminating it all in the middle.
@@scofah I'm not sure where is this annoying music
@@oscarallen4718 I got to the 37-minute mark and just couldn't take it anymore.... Sounds like carnival sort of saxophony you may have to turn up your speakers to hear it... It just doesn't need to be there. This guy has some good information that doesn't need that music.
@@scofah this is honestly the most "old man shouting at the clouds" thing ive seen all week
How do you stay so calm? Do you have a run through with sheer uncontrollable rage screaming beforehand?
Haha, there's definitely a point to which, having spent more than a week writing something, it's much easier to be level-headed about a topic. When I'd first been watching the clip through I was pretty outraged but having worked on it for so long meant that I at least could have a bit of distance on it.
@@Tom_Nicholas Really appreciate what you're doing though Tom :)
Also recommended, the segment by George Carlin: "It's called the American dream, because you have to be asleep to believe it."
Thats more of a one-line joke or wordplay, rather than any significant statement that ought be made in a debate about inherent media biases.
Aka I like George Carlin and he had views ahead of his time, but that bit is largely irrelevant here.
@@swine13 the full segment (prior to that punchline) explains how the corporate masters who own the press and the government and us don't want us to be critical thinkers. That leads up to the punchline regarding the American dream. I think it's relevant to the myth of the free press.
@@itWouldBeWise those choice of words make us sound like conspiracy nuts but I generally agree
it turned from dream into nightmare when Leftist boomers took over the institutions
@@bademoxy leftist boomer is easily the funniest dumbest most oxymoronic term i've heard
The BBC removed Gary Lineker from Match of the Day after he tweeted against Suella Braverman's rhetoric demonising asylum seekers crossing the Channel. This video is very appropriate to the topic.
Why is all of breadtube just composed of theater kids?
Edit: everyone shitting on my content not realising I'm a leftist too, and a breadtube aficionado 🙃
Suppose we've gotta find something to do whilst all the theatres are closed...
Person who is remotely left, central or not quite far enough right: makes content
Internet: Commence bullying
Well i for one am very pleased that some theatre kids are reading 'Manufacturing Consent' and showing it's relevance in the 21st century......as well as being able to spell 'theatre'.
Ok neolibtard
@@a.n.l.aantineoliberalismas4504 Disagree with them all you like, but drop the slur.
This man puts a lot of effort into these videos, much appreciated
Cheers Chico! It's an awful lot of work that goes into them but it's all worthwhile when they get such a nice response!
He' has a team, most probably made in an Advertising studio after or even during Hrs,. There's hundreds, of those neat half truth video's and their fake looking thru after effects to mask his real identity and looks...he's part of the propaganda he reports on, of course no. actual news, all of that we knew, he won't tell you how they are all actors
@@mutanazublond4391 hope you're doing ok bud
My dude, I love your videos, and this one, as a journalist, I love especially. I do want to mention, though, that independent journalism is a real thing. It will never be unbiased because objectivity is impossible, but: (1) it is manipulated much less; (2) its bias is more transparent, we independent journalists tend to make our opinion pretty transparent.
It's not glamorous, it's not well paid (most lf the time, it's not paid at all), it's not for "the masses", but it's good journalism: we don't roleplay as perfect, impartial, benevolent information gods. Instead, we write as honestly as we can.
Great video, mate. Loved it.
Tom’s content has never dipped in quality. Each video goes into such depth while still remaining easy to understand. Keep up the amazing work
I love how this is a literal essay. I recognize the script as literally something I could've submitted in my varsity days
This was a fantastic video! I studied and wrote about Manufacturing Consent as a part of my degree, and it's great to see it presented in such an accessible way. I'm sure I don't speak for everyone, but videos of this length are fine by me! Love a good deep dive :)
Thanks Lucy, I'm really glad you got something out of it. And I've been very pleasantly surprised by people's responses to the length!
Wouldn't manufactured consent work to for example by convincing an identifiable group of people that all these masses of people to their country is a good thing, even though it will push down wages, push up house prices, increase demand on resources, require more green land to build on, reduce social cohesion and the most important one guarantee that they wont exist within a certain amount of generations in the future. So it goes against all common sense to do and yet some how we all agree to it but we've never voted for it. I mean what healthy thinking group of people consciously throw their ancestors struggles away in the past and their own people's existence in the future unless their consent had been, manufactured?
Wow, some of the most balanced and thought out reporting I’ve ever seen. Pure class, please never stop. Subscribed.
We will watch your career with great interest!
Thank you Suraj! Hope you enjoy this video!
This video needs to be shown to every student majoring in journalism, and to any person in, or going into the field of journalism. It also needs to be shown to anyone who has interest in politics, or just people who watch or read the news. So, yeah, pretty much everyone should have to watch this.
This is pure quality information and knowledge, served in a very professional and easily digestive manner despite having a high taxonomy. Thank you yet again for making high quality content!
Bloody brilliant approach (applying Chomsky) to a complex problem. Well chosen example of inherent BBC bias.
Keep up the great work.
Thank you, I'm really glad you liked it!
I would argue it's not inherent, but rather acquired. The print media in the UK are so far right, that even a center positioned media can look left leaning. So for a public network to appear impartial, they are forced to position themselves a bit to the right.
it infuriates me watching the bbc video, seeing those reporters just watch and tape these poor refugees trying to get across the channel without even thinking to help them from their *actual* boat. it just goes to show how little they think of these ppl-they don’t care to show their perspective, they don’t care to help them, they don’t even ASK to record them during what i imagine is probably one of the most terrifying experiences of their lives, instead choosing to commodify them and reduce them to boogeymen and stats. it’s incredibly gross.
but great video as per usual tom! thoroughly enjoyed your media analysis, thanks for sharing :)
I totally agree. Also none of the faces of the refugees are blurred out, and I doubt the BBC got their consent to be broadcasted
No they totally think very highly of these news stories......i mean people.
Isn't it illegal to facilitate illegal immigration?
I can't believe how informative, challenging yet entertaining your videos are. It's a pleasure to be a small part of it, even only as a viewer!
"outright fabrication is incredibly rare"
Hello yes, it's Australia here, we'd like to submit the entire Murdoch response to our bushfires, climate change, and now the Royal Commission created by Kevin Rudd as evidence of "complete fabrication of events".
The media fabricates news all the time about Cuba, Venezuela, North Korea and China. But it is easier to fabricate news when it happens on other countries, specially if they're isolated.
@@matheusvillela9150 Gotta agree. I liked the video but the BBC and other news sources in the UK are guilty of fabrication when it comes to stories outside of the country.
Also boris Johnstone prawn cocktail crisps conspiracy
Reading Understanding Power by Chomsky was one of the most eye opening experiences and it’s scary to think how much of what was said translates to social media sites
Now that you're done with your PhD thesis you have time to get into acting on camera, I see.
Haha, I'm definitely hoping to use some of the newly-found free time to keep improving my videos.
I am also going to try to get a bit better at having some occasional time off too though (which, to be honest, will probably also help make my videos better...)!
@@Tom_Nicholas All in the service of better videos! Whatever it takes! I already have a bit of a backlog of videos of yours that I really, really want to watch. So you're already doing fine in that regard. If my taste is any indication.
Haha, glad I've provided you with a way to kill some time!
@@Tom_Nicholas If it's just about killing time, I watch less decent stuff. Watching your videos is about more than minute murdering.
Ahh, that's very kind of you to say, I'm really glad you get something out of them!
Minor criticism: Multiple times, you refer to the focus on the supposed mass immigration in the framing of the event in the report as a "focus on numbers" as a means to not focus on the wellbeing of the immigrants, and I think that's a mistake. The issue is not a focus on numbers, but the choice of which numbers to focus on. I think you'd very easily agree that a focus on different numbers (such as the rates at which Iraqis have access to food, water, etc.) would serve the purpose you mention.
Yeah, but no numbers mentioned in the report focused on that at all, though, so, uh, what's your point?
@@src175 Their point is pretty clear to me.
@@src175 The point is that the bias is not necessarily the fact that they focus on numbers per se, but rather which particular numbers they choose to focus on.
I think you know you’re being unnecessarily pedantic, you understood the message conveyed. Even still, either way you’d be reducing real people and suffering to numbers, instead of presenting the refugees as humans in need of help. That would be far less palatable than statistics in the abstract. You’re welcome
@@juhuu13579 They aren't refugees. France isn't at war.
You're quickly becoming my favorite breadtuber. Keep up the good work!
Really glad you've enjoyed some of my videos!
Is this actually breadtube? Not criticizing but never connected the two.
@@breno855 I'd say so yeah. He's got a similar style to, say, Ollie Thorn and even covers similar topics (as he mentions in his Musk videos). Like I guess labels aren't exactly super helpful, and I'd argue there's a lot of breadtubers that people don't recognize as such (Cuck Philosophy, for example), but yeah. I'd definitely say Tom's recent content qualifies as breadtube content.
I just discovered your channel yesterday as I was searching for Guy Debord and the Situationists who had a profound effect on me many years ago and I must tell you that I am absolutely impressed with your work and your delivery on so many necessary subjects . And yes , these are subjects and philosophies that I relate to , but I truly see and appreciate your vision and delivery . Very well done ! I am thrilled to find you ! And to all those who say don't take the money , take it , because that is how things get done , sadly . Your perspective is very valuable and needed.
This video is so well put together, with such concise delivery. Truly excellent work.
Has anyone ever watched an episode of Newsnight in full? It's so biased it's kind of scary to think that people might see it as a neutral source.
I used to do my best to stay up to watch it in the evening. But it's become very prone to client journalism as of late (as I hope I explore in this vid!).
@@Tom_Nicholas Yeah, it's really bad in my view. Keep up the good work Tom, you've helped me out enormously on so many topics!
So glad you've found some of my stuff helpful!
@@Tom_Nicholas I wrote my original comment too soon - I now know why BBC reports are the way they are. So interesting and a bit scary when you grow up taught it's an 'impartial' channel! Thanks again.
I'm super new to communism and am starting to wonder how on earth you seem so calm and sane :). Any tips, because I'm started to feel pretty powerless?
*feeds the algorithm* This video deserves more eyeballs on it. Well done 👏
Thanks Penny!
This is a propaganda piece, re-hashing the same old crap , anybody with any sense , knows that, did he tell you that all those boots people were all actors , they also have numerous profiles for fake characters in National Geographic,
@@mutanazublond4391 you meant "Boat" people I assume; and the point of the analysis of that news clip is that the media purposefully manipulates "information" to paint a biased view of events. The people on the boat being actors only strengthens that argument.
This got randomly recommended, I got roped in. Great video, well done.
Cheers Chris, glad it hooked you!
What a great video, now I’m interested in the biases of other news sources (public and private) in my own country Austria. Commenting to support a wonderful channel :)
I only found this channel around a week ago and already binged a lot of videos, you're so well spoken, come across really well and obviously put in a lot of work, well done
Your videos have been super helpful in understanding everything you've discussed. I discovered your channel through your "How to Spot a Fascist" video, and I was really impressed by how you took a subject I was confused by and made it super understandable! Glad to see that your videos are getting more and more theatrical and informative 🙂
Thanks George, I'm really glad you've enjoyed some of my stuff!
Great content on media bias. Chomsky rocks. Feel bad for asylum seekers generally.Thanks Tom.
Thanks Bernardo, really glad you liked it!
Chomsky is a revisionist!!!
You should look into anarcho-syndicalism, Chomsky's political ideology. You might find it very interesting.
@@artemesaulkov2010 so what?
@@Tom_Nicholas Chomsky can say what he want's, as he repeats the same old little halve facts o&o!, If I had some real news, on the media and how they truly operate, you wouldn't even respond to me, because you're little '' Jillian Assange type of , let's get emotional, with the peoples on those little boats , even single One is an actor, just like BBC Africa eye, seen many doco 's, and they have gone from hyping up little event, to right now , setting up a scripted crime scene's like that Pyramid scam, witch when on. for a while, then they lie and uncover it... instead of the actual problem, why they (not those, I know them personally, so before you start denying it,
The production value on this one is insane! Loving it
My man... your videos should be shown in classrooms across the world.
The BEST video on objective Media Consumption i have seen. Will watch again...
That look reminds me of Cody from some more news, great video my man, keep it going, and cheers for your degree again
Haha, that wasn't something I was intentionally going for, but then, when I was looking back at the thumbnail yesterday, I suddenly realised it had a very similar vibe!
And thanks, really glad you liked it!
Great video! Those quotes remind me I need to actually get around to reading Manufacturing Consent.
Thanks! It's definitely worth a read. And it's pretty accessible in terms of both language and form too.
Another great video. I particularly appreciated your explanation at the end about how the same media that once framed Iraqis as worthy victims when we (US/UK) wanted to bomb Iraq now depicts them as unworthy now that they need to flee their destroyed country.
Every single one of your videos is a master class on the subject covered. Thank you so much.
This is brilliant and incredibly relevant as we look to be heading into a new cold war.
The 'Worthy and Unworthy Victims' showed the HK protests, and I can only laugh on how applicable that is. For months on end we heard every little thing the HK protesters and police did, all painted in a completely sympathetic light for the protesters. Meanwhile Yellow Vests never got this kind of glowing coverage. The situation in Kashmir happening simultaneously received barely any attention. I'll be damned if there isn't some agenda or bias here.
The video itself is also excellent - high quality editing combined with a delivery style that belies professionalism. Definitely one of the best things I've watched on RUclips in weeks.
The "coverage" by our media on the migrant "crisis" has been appalling. No context given to understand why people would risk crossing such a channel, minimal discussion on the causes/catalysts of migration and a complete absence of any moral/ethical (or even legal) obligations we may have to these people.
I think we should have much stricter borders and be less caring to those who want to seek assistance but you’re right. There is too much subjectivity
The hidden hand works best when we all behave selfishly
@@probrickgamer im sorry but what does that mean
@@pringleaddict5827 This is a disturbing opinion and understanding to have of the political framework that leads to migrant suffering in the first place.For anyone looking for information that is based on statistical, factual, ethical, political histories and contexts of these crises, I highly recommend checking out the book "Border and Rule" by Harsha Walia. The issue is not one of "borders not being strict enough". It is an issue far deeper and more systemic than that.Policing of borders and bordering itself is a result of and reinforcement of the same violent political contexts that lead to refugee suffering.
But even saying that there is a problem is considered "problematic" nowadays.
This was great. Thank you for this exceptional piece. Greetings from Germany!
Thank you, I'm really glad you liked it!
Why are there many Germans watching English speaking leftist channels?
Don't get me wrong it's amazing to see that but out of all countries Germany has a fair share in English speaking youtube 😶.
Also I am currently learning German so I would love to see such content being made in German if you don't mind giving me some recommendations!
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Take a shot every time Tom says “manufacturing consent”
Or "Edward S. Herman and Noam Chomsky's 1988 book Manufacturing Consent". Didn't notice quite how much I'd repeated that phrase until it came to editing...
Manufacturing liver chirrosis.
Great work, Tom. Thanks for the time taken in making these important issues! On the top of my list is becoming a patreon supporter once it's financially viable. Cheers
The anatomy of the video section was just top notch and how media frames, represents, these events . This video needs some 10 million views .
The vibe that BBC report gave of was very 2012/13 Australia. Just some context, during that time Australia had their own refugee crisis with the Liberal party of Australia (the conservative party) promising to "stop the boats". Along with a boatload of fear mongering for the media they won the 2013 election, which lead to Tony Abbott being Prime minister. Cool video though, would send to dad out of ten.
We still have that, btw. Its just moved to "everyone is now in a detention centre" and thats sort of where it stagnated.
Ita actually kinda horrific to think about. We're holding innocent people - families- basically in jail and nothing will get done about it until we vote the current party out of govt for a few years so the opposition can detangle that mess of red tape.
The problem is that our Liberal party liked to use "boat people" as a trump card when elections come up, knowing that they can win votes that way (even worse when you realise that "boat" people are coming into the country successfully by plane all the time).
I hate our government and media. 😒
If your 'conservative' party is called the "Liberal" party, you're as gone as the US is, and current events would support this theory.
Great video! Very relatable since I work in the news industry and am all too aware of its inherent biases. I really need to read that Noam Chomsky book.
Thank you! It's definitely worth a read, and is generally quite easy to engage with (in a way that not all academic texts are).
At this point I’m convinced a significant portion of the population of the UK are so divorced from reality that they cannot be reasoned with. It’s a depressing state of affairs
Now you know how a good chunk of Americans feel
It's extremely frustrating
Ethan Philpot As someone who’s from Ireland we have a somewhat biased media but it’s nothing on the same scale as this. It’s crazy looking at this from an outside perspective
I'm enjoying this thread of people from different countries checking-in to essentially just say "same here".
Edit: Although I will add, I think there's always ways to reason with people! As I see it, it's generally about working to find the link between the issue at hand and their everyday life; does the way in which something is framed in the media *actually* track with their experiences?
No use seeking a diplomatic solution when technical ones are available. To quote actual ancient Chinese wisdom "the doctrine of universal love has been a failure"
We have a strong left wing press in Norway but they only seem to cover the minutea of government and cultural issues, and rarely of ever offer up a broader picture of systemic political inadequacy or the resulting economic failings.
I live in Morocco now so l can't say too much because I have only ever read the English speaking papers or net news but funnily enough a teacher's strike with protest marches seemed to be portrayed relatively sympathetically on the TV news compared to how the British tabloids might cover a similar event, or at least that's my impression.
Thank you! People write books about this, study this topics for years, write papers about it, and you effectively and efficiently educate the mass in less than one hour. Well done!
This to be one of most specific , enumerated and precise media analyses of news I have seen on you tube.
It's like seeing a journal article as a video.
As someone who is doing research on the operation of the propaganda model in brazilian media, I'd like to say THANK YOU for this video! Such eloquence in describing the theoretical basis, such excelent editing, such efficiency in dissecting the key issues in news coverage and reporting... This is the kind of content I'd like to see more of on RUclips. Keep it up!
Where ever I end up, I always come back to Tom Nicholas videos... I basically use ur media as a podcast, while working or whatever. I'm listening to this video for third time now in last 3-4 months. But in last month, my conscience is very much bombarded by China "vs" US topic.... In a lot of ways it reminded me of manufacturing consent like it could be seen in a past 2-3 decades when it comes to Libya, Iraq, Yugoslavia... At the current state, It looks clear to me in way in which it is all heading, and it is making me depressed... I really dont want it to head in that direction this time. I alone cant stop it, nor solve it. But I certainly can work, fight and even give life if needed for some ideals. Whether US and UK like it or not, the belt and road strategy of China must happen. Otherwise there will always be poverty and war in Middle East, Africa and somewhat Balkan and Anatolia.
The Washington Post: Democracy Dies Behind a Paywall
I’ve always loved how deliciously ironic that is. And now you get to pay Jeff Bezos a chunk of your salary each month to read at least one article a week on why taxing the rich is bad.
@@akorn9943 and Tim pool used their slogan to slam one of their journalists who refused to admit that she doxed someone.
Your channel is so good, well-produced, and high-quality. How do you not have more subscribers?!
I've seen a lot of videos attempting to explain manufacturing consent this is the first one I've fully understood, so thank you so much
My entire senior thesis in university in 2009 was about this very subject. I described in detail how framing by the careful inclusion/omission and phrasing of details in a news report sets an agenda that ultimately causes bias, and I accurately predicted a future news landscape wherein fact-based "hard news" would totally cave to op-ed pieces and debate panels. The professors almost laughed me out of the building, but they're eating their words now. I warned everyone that the "facts are boring" attitude in society would lead to exclusively entertainment-based news coverage from every single media outlet, but nobody listened. I don't know about the rest of you, but I don't want to hear some stupid anchor or pundit's opinion about a current event, I only want to know what happened and when. I can draw my own conclusions, I don't need a talking head to tell me how to think.
Its hard to find people explaining the media bias this well
Great vid! Loved the step-by-step application of Manufacturing consent. Thanks for reminding us that objective news coverage does not really exist...
Thanks, really glad you liked it!
This video is an excellent how-to on reading media motivation -- I'll be sharing, and returning to this in the future. Thank you, Tom!
these videos are incredibly interesting mate, massive well done :D
also - where on earth is your accent from? I've heard it before but just can't pinpoint where that lilt at the end of some words is from
Funny to see you here Minecraft man :) it’s nice to see some youtubers have opinions for a change.
Brilliant work, loved it. You really outdid yourself. Amazing man.
Thanks Raghav, really glad you liked it. Generally speaking, I'm quite proud of this one!
Loooooove. The talent 😭 the insight 🤯 the revolutionary content 😫 the cuteness 😳.
KING 👑
Thanks Alec, glad you enjoyed the video!
I've spent too long making graphics for the Labour Party. I'd recognise the beautiful curves of Fira Sans anywhere. Loving the video!
Haha, I don't think that was an intentional nod. It was more a case of "what is a clean yet not too over-used font I have on my computer"...
@@Tom_Nicholas It was a good choice nonetheless!
Do not understand why this video still doesn't have 10mio views. Great work!
This was very informative, thorough and easy to follow. I'm very Glad I decided to spend my free time watching it.
I love this video. It's a great treatment of an extremely important topic. I want to give some context to the point about US media mostly absorbing Trump's flak and continuing to go about their business. It does look this way to me, too, but the long-term trend has been for conservatives to decry the media's "liberal bias" and media outlets to respond by going easier and easier on conservatives. It's been a decades long, incremental process. At this point, the worst a conservative spokesperson can usually expect, no matter how absurd or groundless their position, is to be positioned on camera opposite a liberal counterpart, reducing the whole issue to "this side says this, that side says that, who knows what the truth is?"
Yeah, I hope I didn't overstate that bit. My hope was to get across the fact that they've continued to challenge Trump not necessarily that they always do so in the most useful manner...
Anyone knows where this man gets his shirts because they're consistently as amazing as his video which is a high bar
Obviously I'd rather they gave me some money to shill for them, but it's a company called Percival. They're not particularly cheap but they're decent quality.
(and thanks for saying my videos are a high bar, that's very kind)
I would argue that even the events described by media tend to be false or grossly mischaracterized. Circular reporting is a real problem. Lots of people provide sources, but they never verify their sources.
Verifying sources needs to come back into fashion, big time.
What I find most taxing is not deconstructing the bias of any one media utterance, but rather the ongoing work of having to try and collate multiple viewpoints (often obscured by pay walls) on any given event in order to suss out some semblance of "truth." It is so time, energy, and money intensive to continuously engage in this process that even the best meaning consumer of media often must choose to only focus on one cause or at best a vanishingly small fraction of the total media landscape. Unless one is doing so as one's primary employment, staying current on world events would require one to forego sleep and recreation entirely. Thus it's wholly understandable for a well-meaning media consumer to wish they could depend on a single source of media utterances, both in terms of choosing what deserves one's attention and what meaning to attach to deserving events. Unfortunately, there exists no such source. The best for which one can hope is to choose a niche area in which to focus one's attentions and resign oneself to being chronically uninformed regarding the rest of the tapestry of human narratives.
LoL, of course there is no "one source" of the "truth" because all news and sources have their own biases. What you view as a chore is standard in Europe. For example, in Norway the best new source is the state new channel. Omg Communism!?! No, but rather that they are not directly controlled by the government via regulation protection, they are funded by taxes that the government has limited impact on (they cant just change it o a whim), their press workers are defended from their boss via worker regulation and the tv station is not allowed to run ads. In turn it incentives to report what general consensus want to know about and there is no negative asking hard questions. For example as the police department mentioned here. Regulation prevents the police picking in and choosing what is best for them. They are public servants, they have to answer! Ergo, they dont have the leverage one assume or have in USA, for example.
Then you have governmental funding support of news media IF they follow a set of rules. In short, not being PR BS ala Fox News. So other private news channels moderate themselves a bit to get this, but also to be seen as valid in context of the states channel. If private shill too much. The consensus will end up them not being trust.
That said, which is a good starting point for most news sources in Norway, that doesnt mean there are no bias within the sources. OF COURSE you will get Norway beneficial leaning from NRK (state news), you will get capital bias from economical news sources, left leaning sources will have their given bias and to use an example here. From my point of view, even if BBC is decent, they will have a British lean in their reporting.
Here is how one deduct where the middle ground is. Notice I didnt say ideal, regardless of "BBC" facts. I would most likely see NRK reporting as the ideal because they will report in a manner that benefits Nor citizen, aka me among others.
Anyway:
1. Know their inherent bias and take their reporting in such context. (Oh, and I dont mean right vs left necessarily, but more in a broader aspect. BBC will always be pro British interests etc)
2. Is the source a mainstream with feeling, very dry fact focused report or pure economical.
3. Check out sources representing the 3 and you find the "truth". You want to know how your opposition view the same issue. You find 3 similar that lean towards their bias.
None political example:
1. Mainstream report that winter is going to be cold, but it wont increase power cost too much.
2. Economical focused news focus on increasing money speculation in electric power while people are complaining or being glad that current day infrastructure is as it is.
Here, the "truth" should be obvious and considering the positive leaning on 2. It is more likely at 1 is less correct than 2 and one should therefor hedge ones view on the issue if one uses allot of power during the winter.
This is how ALL NEWS should be consumed. Not as a peasant that just wants to have a single news source they can "trust" because they are too lazy to pickup a few things here and there during the day. Not all stories have to be interesting to you. There is no need to follow everything, but things you do follow shouldnt just be influenced by one source.
I only recently stumbled on your channel and I am blown away by your careful dissection and explanation of media theories and its effects on culture today. Never thought I would see media theory discussed in such an engaging and entertaining way! Keep up the good work man!
Literally had a falling out with someone over how they honestly thought that CNN and FOX News represented some dichotomy. I was like "they're literally the same, you have no perspective" and I was gonna explain why but it just takes too much damn education and I don't have the tools for it.
I'm sick of trying to discuss things with someone and never being able to because essentially what they need to do is not talk, but shut-up and do homework on these issues. But I always come across as some douchebag but.... I'm right, and I can prove it... but they just won't do the reading!
I feel this. I get the same shit from my stepfather whenever he corners me into a "conversation" on my progressive views. It's so frustrating, like you said, all they need to do is read a bit on their own and educate themselves, and that's not difficult nowadays
I think this is why I generally think the debate format (at least as it exists online) is pretty useless: the focus is on being able to pull the right thing to say out of your back pocket. In reality, going away and coming back with a better answer a few days later isn't a sign of any kind of intellectual weakness but of actually being dedicated to looking into things rather than simply countering a blow in some kind of boxing match of the mind.
@@RedSkyYT64 I know right. What gets me is that they make me out to be the villain. But there is no nice way to essentially say "you're too ignorant to discuss this. Please go away and do a few months of reading and get back to me."
I have even offered to share years worth of educational YT videos and such but they just won't take it. I ask them point-blank "do you care whats true? Do you care if you've been lied to?" and they think I'm trying to trap them which is exactly what the opposition does. Its like the well of discourse is so poisoned and thats how the right likes it.
Plus, one of the things I don't like about the left is the "we're too smart and its not our job to educate you" but I kinda think it should be but I don't know how and they won't take any of it. UGH.
@@Tom_Nicholas this is definitely the best way to go about it, yeah. I don't know if it's different in other places (i suspect not), but where i live there are precious few people willing to put an ongoing discussion on hold, and when i come back with more information to continue where we left off, i generally just get the same response: "Why are you bringing that up again? We're done with that, you were wrong."
@@Tom_Nicholas And therein is one of the most toxic problems these days - the aestheitcs of intellectualism with no investment in its practice. Its pure sophistry and grift on the right. It has to be because they're always wrong.
I don't think its an accident either. Capitalism has corrupted even conversation because we've been raised on soundbites and 'gotchas.' I have so many discussions even about meaningless things and all anyone cares about is some 'unbeatable' point to K.O their interlocutors. Its madness.
Its like there's no goodfaith anymore. And again, I don't think thats an accident either. When there isn't any in media, maybe people have forgotten what it even looks like.
Title Card: The "Migrant Crisis"
Me, a German: *three hours long flashback of an endless stream of pundits claiming Angela Merkel was/is somehow "left leaning" *
Also Me: Oh boi
Alchemic Punk well she’s culturally left wing. She may be slightly auth and economically right wing but she’s still culturally right wing
Blanc Müll so she isn’t left wing lol. “Liberals “ in the US are the same. The right calls Obama & Biden socialist. It’s so dumb my mind is numb
PJ Q well Obama was culturally left wing second term. Granted though he was kinda like Trump first term. But he’s centre left economically
@@blancmull3886 she voted against gay marriage for example..
@@blancmull3886
I have some news for you.
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Most definitely worthy of my time, watched to the end, so glad to see chomsky mentioned here I regard it a blessing that he still graces our screen with his interviews imparting clarity through his encyclopaedic knowledge of modern history. I really appreciate the fact that you took a domestic example for your case study here, all too often we confine bias press coverage to other "lesser" countries failing to acknowledge the systemic misrepresentation of events that resounds across our country.
I enjoy your content in a broad sense but find your thorough brick by brick analysis especially well suited to this more dissident theme.
Thankyou for your effort here, you've done a great job and please...MORE CHOMSKY!
The RUclips algorithm never fails me! New subscriber💕💕