(Pt 2) Hot-Sauce SAAB...DEAD for 6 MONTHS? ('93 9000 CSE Turbo)
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- Опубликовано: 14 окт 2024
- After finding the Engine Computer SWIMMING in a box of water, I don't have high hopes of bringing this ECM back to life....
Luckily, the owner has a SPARE ECM on the shelf!
While he is bringing it over, let's hook up the PICOSCOPE and see if the flooded ECM is showing any signs of life...
Will the "Hot-Sauce SAAB" Start up with the replacement ECM?
PLACE YOUR BETS NOW!
Enjoy!
Ivan
Back in the 90's, the term "bipolar" was applicable only to transistors. Those were the days! 😊
Nowadays it’s tri polar
... The 90s? The music was good. To what are you referring to on the "bi-polar" thing?
What a fuse panel in the open with ample spares. That engineer gets not one but two gold stars.
You should see the adjustment for the handbrake, a small Allen screw on the calipper to take out the deadspot on the pads and you have perfect handbrake. These cars were awesome. Changing rear wheelbearings was done in a breeze. Truly well designed cars.
That fuse box is a work of art.
If owner had a spare computer, why didn’t he drop that off with the car? Customers are super strange
LOVE that fuse box! It's like whoever designed the car wanted to access it.
Brings back memories. Usually 3 things goes wrong with them, fuel pump, crank sensor and the huge coilpack. Mine had intermittent no start, and all I had to do was disconnect and connect the coilpack and it would start again. Had that replaced. Then I had issue with crank sensor. It would run fine, but when i stopped the car it would not restart until it cooled down. I could see it was the crank sensor bacause no movement in tachometer while cranking. And then the fuel pump went later on. Thats all the problems I had in 9 years off ownership. Over 400000km, was scrapped due to too much rust. Best car I have ever owned, it also was a cse. It went like a billett 😂😂😂😂😂
In the immortal words of Eddy Murphy: "You can smell it!"
I really like that car and I like the way that fuse box is set up like that and how to give you spare fuses that's cool wish new cars were like that
I think Saab had guys from the aircraft division work on the instrumentation and the dash.
Nice SAABs . I had a 1977 EMS excellent car .
Wet electronics can often be saved by placing component in a Vacuum chamber.
You can make one using HVAC punp on a metal can etc .
Water boils off vapors pulled out .
Refrigerator also removes moisture slowly over days.
@@MitzvosGolem1 I think the original ecm has a 'hard' short to ground now unfortunately Mitzvos! One of its semiconductors has shorted out now it seems, so probly no amount of attempted moisture removal will help it now. It's gone beyond that.
@@nevillegoddard4966 oxidized ... I have saved stuff in fresh water only.
Not salt water which destroys everything.
In IC chips water internal corrosion oxidation simply ruins them.
Sometimes it's just a simple component on board fails.
But that one was under water from months years..
True 👍
I am 2 minutes into the video and already Ivan has his shirt off. This is going to get serious really quick! Now that I have watched the video, it appears that owner is a SAAB afficionado. When I was growing up, the 900 and 900 Turbo were popular. That fuse box sure is in a convenient place. GREAT VIDEO!
I never want to hear a surgeon say, "interesting."
I guess it’s better than “oops”🤣🤣
It's not that they don't say "oops", you just don't hear it because you're anesthetized.
@@ohmbug10
I had a nice conversation with my hernia surgeon, even told jokes, imagined we were outside under a tree...and he did say "oops"
@@atticstattic 😲
@@ohmbug10
Being higher than a kite has some weird advantages
Cannot wait for part 3. Brilliant content as always Ivan.
Ivan, you are now an official Shade Tree Mechanic!!!
The fresh smell of cooking electronics...just like the scene in about the smell of fresh napalm. Was it Apocalypse Now maybe.
I love the smell of magic smoke in the morning.
Pretty cool car, definitely worth the therapy. This is the good stuff. I don’t get the interest in nuts and bolts and brakes and shocks etc. on some channels. This is the good stuff. 👍👍🇺🇸
Sure, it is nice to see the Hot Sauce has a chance to live again.
It runs! You may have to wrap that computer box in plastic to eliminate the water intrusion. I once did that to a vehicle's computer because of a water leak and that saved the computer and kept the MIL light off. It was an 80's GM with the computer under the dash.
On to part 3.
So the engine computer did drown. Pity. Great, beautiful car, even today. Hope you get the MIL sorted. These cars deserve to be preserved. My daily driver is a 2001 9-5 Aero Estate which I've had for 20 years. Love it.
Those were pretty good cars back in the day. Unique vehicles
I used to bake water logged PCM's in the oven at 200 degrees for a couple days to completely dry them out. It's worth a shot most of the time. Glad he had a spare!!! Thanks Ivan!
HP had problems with a couple of boards in one of their printers and the fix was baking the board for a while to make sure all cold solder points were working properly. Cold solder can cause problems!
@@garyfeltman4482 That's awesome!
i miss the emergency water supply computer
Are car engineers, (esp euro ones) on drugs? Put the ECU, as a drain bucket under the windshield cowl?
Why the engineers have to hide components is beyond me. Like the low side AC valve is buried under the steering hose that I am working on.
Hooray! It lives! I bet there are still a few odd problems. Impossible to get some sense without the scope. Good job, Ivan! Wonder what Part 3 brings 🙂
I have had my battery Booster by gooloo for a year and a half. Works great!! Awesome video Ivan❤
The TCS light is on but it looks to have a non tcs throttle body. Maybe the high idle cause due to ecu programming? The tcs units control idle speed and I think the tps integrated and the standard one has an iacv.
Ivan got it runnin! NOT surprised! I always place my bets on Ivan...
As a long time viewer I want more bonus footage. PHAD always has bonus footage.
Soak in warm distilled water, scrub with soft toothbrush, rinse is warm distilled water, soak in 90% isopropyl alcohol for 20 minutes, rinse with 90% isopropyl alcohol, allow to air dry unless you have dried shop air.
Incredible how that ECU got swamped with water.
I dont know if this car has Bosch electronics but i do know that cars from this era that use Bosch relais had issues with cracked solder points in fuel pump relais. That could or would cause an intermittent no start condition. I have had this happen on a number of Volvo's (240, 740, 940, 780)
Bosch is total crap
Yeah that was very common on Volvos. I got a few nice ones for cheap because of that issue.
I'm quite sure you are thinking of older L-jetronic cars that had that older special fuel pump relay. Probably the only thing I ever had go wrong with older e30s on the electronics. Soldered 4-5 relays since they are stupidly expensive was almost always few days out.
This thing is to new, from motronic it's just a normal relay.
But all in all, old bosch rocks. you can disable pretty much everything and it will still run. Even had a ecu in saltwater from a week and it survived :)
Its not that incredible… very common on Volkswagen. Very very common.. they hide ecu under wiper cowl. Q7 gets wet all the time too.
Wow, cool content! Thanks Ivan and Weird old Saab!
Great progress. Thanks Ivan!
You need the codes & what they mean from what saw it was 1-5-1-5 which would turn into 1515 DTC what ever that is in SAAB codes. Go to SAAB Central it should help it is a forum. Cheers Ivan.
I was hoping you were going to put in a stand alone ECU a mega squirt or speeduino, thought you are never going to find another Saab ECU. Dam Saab owners and their stock of spare parts!
I want to see what the crank sensor waveform looks like with the donor ECM installed. Let it get hot, then heat soak. I've never seen a 93 anything with OBD2 type P code support in it, so that's really interesting. Some pull ahead (as we used to call them) GMs had them in late 94 CAFE emissions, and 95 for Fed emissions, but again, I've never seen any service data stating you can use both flash codes or OBD2 P codes (providing you have a scanner with the software) so this is a learning experience for me!
The Cool Hot-Sauce case is running. Nice car
The other three type 4 cars have their ECMs under the dash, interesting that SAAB thought having the ECM there is a good idea
Interesting sààb case study
...Saab Computer Smoke, Don't Breathe that!! - Will it Blend? 😂😂
A little too much hot sauce in that ECM, eh Ivan? lol. I hate the smell of burned electronics. It lingers for days.
hello from dallas always enjoying your videos👍
I used to have a 1998 Opel and it had similar way for reading codes. You would short two pins on the obd and the check engine light would flash out the code.
NOW...we're back to diagnosing the original problem! Sheesh! I have pretty strong doubts whether that battery is gonna be any good! Better get another one! Zero volts = dead battery usually. Any amount of time at less than 11.5V even, usually means curtains for that battery, I thought?
No…
You can put it on a trickle charger and retest. Brought batteries back to life like that
@@mikesabin8568 I very much doubt the longevity at all, especially a battery that was down to ZERO! Ivan wasn't trickle charging the battery anyway. He was charging at either 6 or 26 amps! - Neither of those is anything close to trickle charging!
Zero volts? That battery is ROOTED!
@@nevillegoddard4966 if i trickle charge a battery back to 100 percent, then use a carbon pile tester and its strong… i see no reason to change it out.. you can never know how long a battery will last because crystal balls dont really tell the future. But if you want to change battery anyway, go ahead, it cant hurt
I was actually surprised that the battery came back to life and took a decent charge! Definitely not as good as new, but it starts the car 😅
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics I wouldn't trust it for 1 second.
Wonder if the replacement ECM is also modified with Natures Fluid.
Stay gold.
Maybe the 'damp' computer was the cause of the intermittent start problem. When it got 'wet', it crapped out completely.
One question from a non mechanic. Did the gent replace the first computer with an already waterlogged duff unit? Was he sold a dud?
Man what a really great location for the fuze box! My 2004 F150's fuze box is behind the kick panel on the passenger side. Impossible to see or access.
@@JamesAgans but not great location for the engine computer 🤣
Now ..
Figure out what is going on with hot sauce after a controller transplant ❤❤
Thanks for the video Ivan.
Probably good idea to future proof that replacement engine computer by making sure it won't get wet.
@@mrjsv4935 As long as Ivan doesn't forget to refil the ecm fluid!😂😂!
@@nevillegoddard4966 Haha, he should watch also ChrisFix channel how to add blinker fluid as well 😄
I guess it never rains in Sweden?
@@larryberry2436 It certainly does, but I guess rubber gaskets dry and rot during decades and they're no longer water tight.
Oh and as a Finnish guy, I must mention that some earlier Saab 9000's (1986-1990) were assembled also here in Finland :)
Active liquid cooling 😮
original problem, wet comp blew fuse, replacement comp with new fuse, sorted
Go for it Ivan.
Awesome Sauce! 😊
you can put those in your oven at 150 f for a couple hours and dry them out
why the dodge added connector in the fuse box? however the location of the fuse box is super handy...
Swedish cars are an affliction. My particular affliction is Volvo.
Thx for the vid....i must see it!
Good Work!
It’s the throttle position sensor!
5 blinks
Good morning !
So many Saabs. This guy jerry Seinfeld?
That poor PC board
I could never understand why you just don’t spray starter fluid before measuring voltages. Old school rules!
Ok and that would not have worked because he had no injector pulse, so then he would have started measuring voltages
@@mikesabin8568 👍That’s okay. It only takes a second to get results.
Aahhh the wonderful acrid order of burned electronic components 😂
when the ecu is replaced it goes into 'adaptive mode' - needs driving for 30 mins to sort itself out.
Good morning
Do you think the seller had the engine bay power washed? This forcing water into the computer?
No way that was a 17 min video.. lol
Seems to me he flashed on the screen how long the time lapse was between videoing.
WHY WOULD YOU THINK THE ECM WOULD BE GOOD AFTER ALL THAT WATER INTRUSION?
No crank signal showing on tack
I'd be worried about how that computer got water in it.. Leaking cowl or something? I wouldn't let it go without finding the water ingress,
Thanks Mr Obvious
@@bigdaddymak1439 I think you mean oblivious
@@calholli wrong
@@bigdaddymak1439 Now who's Mr Obvious
i was told some saab cars have many g.m. parts
Around 1989, GM (Grenade Makers), bought 50% of SAAB. Around 1993 GM gained sole ownership. The 1994 "New 900" was based on a European Opel platform and used many GM parts. SAAB being a small automaker always had a history of "borrowing" parts from other manufacturers. The 81-88 8 valve 900s used a GM power steering pump with built in reservoir. All Classic 900s used a GM Saginaw power steering rack long before the association with GM. The 9000 model was based on a design that SAAB purchased from Lancia in Italy.
Saturn, Saab and Izuzu were grouped together in dealerships here until Saturn ended.
@@wayneessar7489 Originally worked for a stand alone SAAB dealer. Franchise was sold to a GM dealer in 89. We were eventually demoted to a service only factory maintenance facility in the late 90s. One day, out of the blue, I received a phone call from SAAB asking if my parts inventory was packed up and ready to ship back. Our dealer management never informed me that we were no longer affiliated with SAAB. Our sister store was still a full fledged SAAB dealer so we soldiered on by maintaining parts stock. Our dealer owner would deliver the parts. I worked both the parts department and worked as a tech. Eventually we pulled the plug as it was too much to try and make it feasible.
Why do European manufacturers think it's a good idea to place electronics in wet areas?
Ivan, why bon’t you use remote starter switch in your diagnostics? Curious and am sure it is logical explanation. Go easy on budding car guy.
Maybe the starter is in a sh*t spot? In my days about the only time i bothered with a remote starter switch was doing a compression test or maybe fuel pressure on old style engine mounted mechanical fuel pumps. In many of the tests he is doing the ignition switch has to be on anyways so i don't really think it's a big deal doing it his way. Any of the other Channels i watch, i haven't seen any using a remote either.
Is that Saab engine the one GM based it's ecotec 2.0/2.2/2.4 design from?
The Ecotec shares its design with the Quad 4 engines and has absolutely nothing to do with Saab. And this year of Saab, GM was not yet together with.
@@Jonathan-bk3dq The quad 4 has nothing in common with the ecotec. Worked on 100's of both when brand new.
@@scrappy7571 you really don’t know much if you think the Ecotec has anything to do with Saab, cause it does not is my point.
Sorry I even asked here, should have googled it.
" The "Ecotec" name was adopted in 1994 for the new generation of Family II engines (2000 in North America) . The name was already used for the Opel GM Family II engine, Family 1 and Family 0 ranges. GM intended this new Ecotec to become its global 4-cylinder, and it has already fully replaced their OHV I4 line.
The Ecotec engine is a DOHC 4-valve design with a lost foam cast aluminium block and head (L850 for 86 mm bore applications, and L880 for 88 mm bore[citation needed]), designed for displacements from 1.8 to 2.4 L. Development began in 1994, by an international team of engineers and technicians from Opel's International Technical Development Center in Rüsselsheim, Germany, GM Powertrain in Pontiac, Michigan, and Saab in Södertälje, Sweden.[2]
@@scrappy7571 and I’m sorry, should have worded things differently.
Hi, can ı ask questions?
Idle air control valve sticking open or bad connection my monies on
So what does he drive when he has to be somewhere ??? must have a Toyota he didn't tell you about HA!!
First , got lucky.....
How do you figure that? More to come and intermittent problem is the worst for any mechanic.
you tu and micro updates make this unwatchale
dude, stick it in rice for a few days to completely dry out. Blowing air?? Treat it like an electronic component, not a dusty air filter. Lol