The Esports Bubble Has BURST

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  • Опубликовано: 26 фев 2024
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    Esports (a market once blessed with meteoric growth) is now experiencing a well deserved correction as the bubble of bad habits, irresponsible spending and teenage delusion finally wear off.
    While the industry certainly has some sort of future, the mindless over-spending and hype driven losses have finally taken their toll on an industry that grew too big, too fast, and rightly deserved to fall.
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  • @UpperEchelon
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    • @R_Rottluff
      @R_Rottluff 3 месяца назад +5

      shill

    • @lmads8023
      @lmads8023 3 месяца назад +2

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  • @dante5526
    @dante5526 3 месяца назад +1290

    the real problem of esports is that game companies are trying to force it rather than leaving games to naturally rise up

    • @urphakeandgey6308
      @urphakeandgey6308 3 месяца назад +172

      THIS. As someone who mostly just played games to hang out with friends, I HATED the shift towards every multiplayer game trying to be the next "hardcore gamer eSports title" instead of just making a fun multiplayer experience. MW2 is the perfect example. That game was unbalanced and broken as all hell, but my lord was it fun. I'm so tired of meticulously balanced games that are just cheap cash-grabs for eSports money. Fuck eSports.

    • @attilamarics3374
      @attilamarics3374 3 месяца назад +62

      @@urphakeandgey6308 Today they advertise these games more for streamers, etc, and not for actual players. When I was younger, the competetive parts of the games were getting othe rguy to form a clan and then finding opponents. Nowdays its more like traditional sports. It designed so normal people just watch it.

    • @elLooto
      @elLooto 3 месяца назад +36

      They dont have time to wait. The lifecycle of a computer game is essentially zero.
      The lifecycle of an esports team is essentially zero.
      Theres no time to grow organically; no time for someone to become invested to the point where they buy a shirt.
      There are lifetime sports team followers they own team shirts going back decades, played 25 years ago as a kid, perhaps still play socially (ie in person) every tuesday night. Sports leagues have histories going back a century or more, and will almost certianly continue on for another century.
      Once you understand this will never happen around a computer game you understand that esports is a dumb idea at its core.

    • @fix0the0spade
      @fix0the0spade 3 месяца назад +37

      Of course, Starcraft, Quake III and Counter Strike's E-Sports scenes basically made nothing for their creators despite starting off entire industries. All the publishers are terrified of seeing that kind of massive popularity happening out of their control, so they've kept everything nailed down ever since and killed the E-Sports scene for just about every title since. The irony that it can only really happen by players playing the games and getting organised outside of the publisher's control seems to be lost on them.

    • @grzegorzbrzeczyszczykiewic8746
      @grzegorzbrzeczyszczykiewic8746 3 месяца назад +12

      Smash bros esports is the exact opposite and not having company's support creates its own share of problems.

  • @urphakeandgey6308
    @urphakeandgey6308 3 месяца назад +418

    I think the worst part about eSports is the fact that devs try to design an "eSports title" because they think eSports games are easy lifelong money sinks. Instead of designing a fun multiplayer experience that organically creates a competitive scene, devs want to artificially create a competitive scene and capitalize off of it.
    Nah, take notes from Smash Melee. Outdated, broken, and busted AF, but still played religiously.

    • @Violent_Wolfen
      @Violent_Wolfen 3 месяца назад

      And the community is ass and has constantly been it's own worst enemy.

    • @Xazamas
      @Xazamas 3 месяца назад +10

      Dawn of War 3 and Evolve are examples of games that were at least partially ruined by this exact "cart before the horse" -mentality. Heroes of the Storm was much better compared to the previous two but also suffered due to Blizzard focusing too much on the e-sport aspect. That they had to suddenly drop years later, talents were in the middle of training regime when news hit that the entire season has been cancelled because it wasn't profitable. This specific controversy happened after the big Blizzard ones had already hit so it has kind of drowned out on the public consciousness.

    • @Wozza365
      @Wozza365 3 месяца назад +8

      I agree, something like CS built a scene organically, and because of that it's going to stick around for many years to come. But forcing esports into games like Overwatch was just a cringe and awful attempt to copy an NFL franchise structure. I can't see esports dying, it can be great fun to watch. But it will eventually retreat to a handful of games rather than so many attempting to get into esports and failing.

    • @ali32bit42
      @ali32bit42 3 месяца назад +8

      you can easily tell based on how the games are designed, No physics props. Boring Static lighting, no weather effects, no day/night cycle. usually no vehicles , no destruction. tight or restricted hallways or environments. No animated platforms or decorations that you can interact with. nothing interactive in general like doors or elevators. maps make no logical sense, no story telling or cut scenes.

    • @seebarry4068
      @seebarry4068 3 месяца назад

      How’d you mean, the pay to pray economy?

  • @DenethorDurrandir
    @DenethorDurrandir 3 месяца назад +251

    I miss when eSports was regular people making teams/clans and competing against eachother in a community of competitive players. When nations had one team that would represent them to fight other nation's teams, decided by competition not by hiring. As with everything, marketing and corporate assholes ruined it for the actual fans.

    • @evaone4286
      @evaone4286 3 месяца назад +6

      They gotta capitalize on everything nice

  • @Boomslayer19
    @Boomslayer19 3 месяца назад +587

    kind of hard to afford esports and streamers when i can barely pay for my food
    the way the economy is going this is not going to be the only bubble bursting

    • @evilisfun9935
      @evilisfun9935 3 месяца назад +96

      Totally agree. I have already switched to my library of old games and movies and dropped streaming services. It also didn't hurt that almost everything is boring at best or woke at worst.

    • @michaelheckman4468
      @michaelheckman4468 3 месяца назад +43

      Vote for Trump, gas was $2 under him and food was cheap

    • @planescaped
      @planescaped 3 месяца назад +52

      @@michaelheckman4468 That's a real 2+2=raspberries argument. >__>

    • @graham5990
      @graham5990 3 месяца назад +46

      @@planescaped IMO every politician plays for the same team.

    • @blowmeb4jacuzzi
      @blowmeb4jacuzzi 3 месяца назад +30

      ​@planescaped not really. Considering 2016-2020, we were self-sufficient in our own oil production and then 2020- current, we went back to relying on OPEC and the Saudis. Them some pretty distinct raspberries.

  • @Richard-Ikerd
    @Richard-Ikerd 3 месяца назад +663

    I don’t see the appeal of Esports since it’s ruined most competitive games

    • @AchedSphinx
      @AchedSphinx 3 месяца назад +94

      yeah, even quick play lobbies are ultra competitive. makes me miss the golden age of overwatch and 6 hanzos hoping for the best when they exited spawn. at some point with all the competitiveness you lose the fun.

    • @SergioLeonardoCornejo
      @SergioLeonardoCornejo 3 месяца назад +68

      Indeed. PVP games were better before they became sports. The eSports scene ruined fighting games in an unbelievable way.

    • @noah1535
      @noah1535 3 месяца назад +42

      ​@@AchedSphinx I will always hold the opinion that Overwatch was at its best and most fun state was basically when the game first launched, before the competitive mode ever existed

    • @jajasking9652
      @jajasking9652 3 месяца назад +6

      ​@@AchedSphinxsome fortnite lobies can be insane too, not maybe every player, but there's always 5-20 players that just don't miss a single bullet while being really good at building and editing

    • @Killahurtz260
      @Killahurtz260 3 месяца назад +4

      @LeonardoCornejo How exactly did it ruin fighting games?
      Lemme guess, the "fighting game" game you play is Super Smash Bros?

  • @takeachance7557
    @takeachance7557 3 месяца назад +217

    I “worked” for a company that was starting esports leagues and after running events for them for about 3 months, they never paid anyone and subsequently fell apart.

    • @backlogbuddies
      @backlogbuddies 3 месяца назад +24

      My old hometown tore down our convention center to make an esports center. The only people who used it were the local FGC people until the city started to charge more. Then everyone went back to running tournaments at a random person's house. It was closed down and converted back into a convention center

    • @connoisseurofcookies2047
      @connoisseurofcookies2047 3 месяца назад +18

      I'd bet that most esports companies are fronts for gambling and money laundering operations, since it's obviously true for the major, highly visible players it must be doubly true for the minor, lesser known entities.

    • @carlito19934
      @carlito19934 3 месяца назад

      @@connoisseurofcookies2047 they would have to make profits to be able to launder money my guy can't be laundering when you make loss after loss after loss each year money laundering works by inputting dirty cash and then when the company makes profits that money is no longer dirty as it was made with the company if it takes 5 mil dirty operatingcosts for a company and that company then makes 4 million leaving you with a net loss of 1 mil you didn't launder anything you just lost a million dollars in order to launder money you'd have to make a profit

    • @evaone4286
      @evaone4286 3 месяца назад +1

      ​@@connoisseurofcookies2047without a doubt

    • @AtreidesT660
      @AtreidesT660 3 месяца назад +4

      ​@@backlogbuddies😂 The best possible outcome.

  • @JCRascal14
    @JCRascal14 3 месяца назад +414

    I hate e sports. Whenever a ton of money gets involved, it seems to corrupt whatever industry it is.

    • @KGBSpyGeorgeCostanza
      @KGBSpyGeorgeCostanza 3 месяца назад +32

      Capitalism baby 😎

    • @GayFurryFromSS
      @GayFurryFromSS 3 месяца назад +25

      Big amount of money corrupts everything. I'd even dare to say that any amount of money corrupt. It's an evil concept if you think about it

    • @eddief9254
      @eddief9254 3 месяца назад +25

      Yup just like pro sports, look how much gambling is involved now. No way pro sprots is 100% legit

    • @KGBSpyGeorgeCostanza
      @KGBSpyGeorgeCostanza 3 месяца назад +4

      @@GayFurryFromSS it is not surprising

    • @SirLoafin
      @SirLoafin 3 месяца назад +25

      Because greed isn’t punished. If you had physical and/or materialistic repercussions to greed everyone would think differently, but we don’t so it goes unchecked and corrupts everything you can put greed too.
      (Edit was adding /or as I felt my wording was a bit board and to me did seem slightly unfair to suggest both automatically as opposed to one or both depending on xyz.)

  • @Qwertyuiopasdfghjklzxcvbnm913
    @Qwertyuiopasdfghjklzxcvbnm913 3 месяца назад +135

    The hidden “trash” in the thumbnail😂

    • @eldavisfire
      @eldavisfire 3 месяца назад +5

      where is the letter "H"?

    • @Qwertyuiopasdfghjklzxcvbnm913
      @Qwertyuiopasdfghjklzxcvbnm913 3 месяца назад +6

      @@eldavisfire Its suppose to be the arrow i guess

    • @volvo09
      @volvo09 3 месяца назад +3

      Good eye, haha

    • @paragonca9736
      @paragonca9736 3 месяца назад +2

      I was wondering why the random red letters! Good eye

    • @dsagent
      @dsagent 3 месяца назад +1

      Good Find.

  • @fredhurst2528
    @fredhurst2528 3 месяца назад +66

    Activision/Blizzard's attempt to "create" a global sensation around Overwatch E-sports is the prime example of what went wrong. Anything in fan ship that you have to buy will be ephemeral.

    • @MrAerohank
      @MrAerohank 2 месяца назад

      It didn't help that overwatch just wasn't fun to watch from a team PoV. Watching 1st person streams was fine, but there is just too much going on when trying to watch 2 whole teams duking it out.

  • @roborob347
    @roborob347 3 месяца назад +59

    eSports was better off as passion projects by true fans of the games. It's now become a lifeless corporate shell

  • @themeanmachine84
    @themeanmachine84 3 месяца назад +154

    This is actually great news. Maybe people will stop sweating and cheating so much and the games will be fun again. I could not care less about "esports".

    • @noscopesallowed8128
      @noscopesallowed8128 3 месяца назад +18

      I doubt that'll ever happen unfortunately. Competitiveness is a mental trait, not a byproduct of game design. Yeah, you can design games to favor casual or competitive, but there will always be people who take casual games way too seriously.
      Your real hope is in PVE games like Helldivers or Deep Rock Galactic. In my opinion...

    • @alyasVictorio
      @alyasVictorio 3 месяца назад

      ​@@noscopesallowed8128and also The Finals too. 3 live service games done right.

    • @qu1253
      @qu1253 3 месяца назад +5

      ​@@noscopesallowed8128Sadly, people will kick you in Helldivers for not running 'meta' loadouts.

    • @noscopesallowed8128
      @noscopesallowed8128 3 месяца назад +4

      @@qu1253 I just heard about this. Oh well. Host your own lobbies or play with friends I guess.

    • @cholamais-cj1wh
      @cholamais-cj1wh 2 месяца назад +3

      @@noscopesallowed8128 Dumb argument. taking away SBMM alone would do wonders. Games used to be fun even with the try hards on some matches.

  • @lurkingreplyguy
    @lurkingreplyguy 3 месяца назад +20

    It went south when they started to call it an "industry"

    • @realistic_delinquent
      @realistic_delinquent 3 месяца назад +1

      It went south when it failed to convince 85% of its core audience that it had merit as a spectator experience.

  • @b.w.s3165
    @b.w.s3165 3 месяца назад +118

    This surprises absolutely nobody who'se hobbies include videogames.
    ESPECIALLY esports fans or people who used to play competitive pvp sweatfests like CSGO a lot before quitting them for good because they're just a waste of time, stress and mental health.
    Source: Am one of 'em. Quit CSGO for good over half a decade ago and never looked back, shortly followed by any other PvP games because I just realized I'm not having fun even when winning and the community is slowly dragging anyone down to their level of toxicity (except in rare cases where people actually have very thick skin OR the game is designed in such a way that losing/getting killed still allows for fun in some way)
    My sanity only improved since lol.

    • @dankmemes8254
      @dankmemes8254 3 месяца назад +5

      League of legends was genuinely the only game that gave me a cute headache and i am not even high elo that game i peaked gold which considered average my tip for games especially PVP ones is if it not fun why bother

    • @jacpas2012
      @jacpas2012 3 месяца назад +6

      Also the 3rd party software that other “pros” will use to stay competitive. At that point just host a cheating only match.

    • @soundrogue4472
      @soundrogue4472 3 месяца назад +5

      @@jacpas2012That happens in every scene though; human players can only get so good so better equipment gets involved; hell in the Olympics as an example; some clothing brands just because the way they're designed give such a huge advantage (3 to 5%, a lot for a pro but not for your average) that said clothes had to be banned. For Smash Bros Melee custom 300 dollar USD controllers had been used to keep competitive.

    • @forkpuncher
      @forkpuncher 3 месяца назад +3

      you hould pick up pickleball for PvP. I only play single player video games now.

    • @soundrogue4472
      @soundrogue4472 3 месяца назад +1

      @@forkpuncher Oh yes Pickleball the sport for old men.

  • @SirNilooo
    @SirNilooo 3 месяца назад +95

    It’s been a long time coming to be honest. Whats left are the gamers who are making money their own way through their platforms.

  • @Jumbleman5
    @Jumbleman5 3 месяца назад +63

    I've attended pro CS and Overwatch tournaments at Barclay's Center in New York. The experience of watching Esports live is bad. You're just watching the same screen that is being seen streaming online, just on a big monitor that you're really far away from. It would be great if you could watch over the shoulder of all of the players to actually see them performing, but that is totally impractical. Esports will never be as fun to watch live as athletic sports if you can't see the players playing.

    • @urphakeandgey6308
      @urphakeandgey6308 3 месяца назад +22

      This is a big thing that I never understood about eSports, especially the live viewing of it. One possible way they could improve the experience is by letting paid members enter "theatre mode" for the game. These players can then spectate the game as they please and freely roam around. A much more interactive experience to spectating the game.
      Problem is, they probably won't do this due to how easy it would be to cheat.

    • @Jumbleman5
      @Jumbleman5 3 месяца назад +10

      @@urphakeandgey6308 That's a good thing to mention. I know that CS and Dota 2 both had ways to spectate pro matches through the game client. It lets you spectate exactly where and what you wanted while also integrating color commentary from the streams at the same time. Being in the room live actually gave people LESS ability to see the game.

    • @elLooto
      @elLooto 3 месяца назад +6

      @@urphakeandgey6308 This. watching 8 or 10 guys sitting down is exceedingly dull.

    • @AchedSphinx
      @AchedSphinx 3 месяца назад

      @@urphakeandgey6308 interestingly enough, this would be a strong selling point that's unique to gaming. but i really don't know how you'd get the interactivity to work super well.

    • @DuskSkullin
      @DuskSkullin 3 месяца назад

      Idk I disagree with this after the siege tournament personally. Got me wanting to play siege again.

  • @Asmodeius
    @Asmodeius 3 месяца назад +29

    i'm glad it's collapsing. gaming was always about having fun after hard day at work. but due to e-sports, elitism sprouted, developers stopped focusing on fun in game and instead make everything super skill dependent and etc.

    • @revivedkyoumahououin1585
      @revivedkyoumahououin1585 3 месяца назад +2

      Seems like you have a skill issue there buddy

    • @Asmodeius
      @Asmodeius 3 месяца назад

      yeah like you have no life issue. @@revivedkyoumahououin1585

    • @luiso2166
      @luiso2166 3 месяца назад

      ​@@revivedkyoumahououin1585seems like you're a hard sweat who barely has fun and wants to get noticed.

    • @propheinx2250
      @propheinx2250 2 месяца назад

      ​​@revivedkyoumahououin1585 seems like you have control issues there, buddy.

  • @spazma_
    @spazma_ 3 месяца назад +23

    I am not surprised by this. Richard Lewis, Esports veteran, saw the cracks in the bubble forming years ago before anybody else in the Esports scene.

  • @JoseHerrera-pd6vv
    @JoseHerrera-pd6vv 3 месяца назад +43

    Grass roots always makes a more robust scene, its why the FGC has and will continue to endure. Even when all those investors and "partners" pull out, it's the real soldiers who truly love what they play that will keep things going and the FGC alive.

    • @Violent_Wolfen
      @Violent_Wolfen 3 месяца назад +4

      Maybe, but the FGC is also a house of cards.

    • @Phurzt
      @Phurzt 3 месяца назад +6

      ​@@Violent_Wolfensome organizations, yes, others in the fgc, no. Like the original comment says, even if all the money was pulled out of the FGC overnight, tournaments, streams, local meet ups, and countless online matches will still happen because many are run by players themselves who allready accept there is no real profit in it.

    • @backlogbuddies
      @backlogbuddies 3 месяца назад +6

      I have gone to a dude's house I've never met before to compete in a street fighter tournament where the pot was $20+ a case of beer. There were like 30 of us in that dude's house.
      I've never heard of anyone inviting complete strangers over to play in a local tourney for any other genre

    • @thiccactus
      @thiccactus 3 месяца назад +2

      Yep, thats also why Starcraft and Counterstrike still have pro scenes while games like Overwatch fizzled out even with companies throwing millions of dollars at them.

  • @dustypirate28
    @dustypirate28 3 месяца назад +46

    The DotA TI bubble burst a few years ago when Valve realized the battle pass, loot crate, crowd funding system had its days numbered due to waning interest and increasing legislation against micro transactions . It’s for the better since Valve is to greatly blame for the explosion of all other companies utilizing those forms of micro transactions after their success in DotA and CSGO, and the industry moving away from producing worthwhile content.

    • @soundrogue4472
      @soundrogue4472 3 месяца назад +7

      Valve still has these microtransaction systems done THE BEST though. You can earn free items in games, getting crates for free, free items for TF2 with even some cosmetic items you could earn and having the enticing strange effect occur if you take a spin at the slot machine. The rest of the industry did a pale imitation even with the fact you can actually TRADE items with friends!

    • @knightdtd
      @knightdtd 3 месяца назад

      @@soundrogue4472 Valve did the best when they started but got progressively worse and worse over time. Back then you could even earn real money by playing in game events to get items and sell through marketplace. Now pretty much everything you get is untradable, unmarketable, an event is basically paying them more money than usual for more worthless trash. They milk players dry with their battle passes for years then pretend to be on the moral highground when they stopped, but really it's just because the sales were already dropping hard.

    • @tonypeperoni5818
      @tonypeperoni5818 3 месяца назад +1

      valve isnt greatly to blame its microsoft blizzard and activision who can easily be blamed valves expoits were very tame in comparison

  • @shadowbanned4606
    @shadowbanned4606 3 месяца назад +48

    4:03 incogni "Give us your data and pay us so we can "protect you."

  • @TooSweetMeBro
    @TooSweetMeBro 3 месяца назад +14

    E-Sports was never something we needed the only reason why it exist is for the video game industry to monetize it nothing more nothing less.

  • @pvalpha
    @pvalpha 3 месяца назад +13

    Every time someone says: "This is the next BIG thing!" I chuckle and walk away. Usually if the promise is so overinflated then the fall will be epic. Nothing that easy is worth much.

  • @vvitch-mist20
    @vvitch-mist20 3 месяца назад +39

    Money and gaming don't mix. Like any form of art, or expression money will kill it.
    edit: People wanna act like poor people are bad with money, but if my company was worth over a billion dollars, there is no way I would fuck that up only a short time later. Like that drop is insane.

    • @A.Froster
      @A.Froster 3 месяца назад +8

      Not trying to be mean but billion dollars established Companies losing a lot of value over a short time isn't that rare , mostly because "experts" in the sector make the dumbest and greediest decisions ever. The eSports market instead was doomed from the start

    • @vvitch-mist20
      @vvitch-mist20 3 месяца назад +2

      @@A.Froster
      I never said it was rare. I said that couldn't be me lol.

    • @superking___
      @superking___ 3 месяца назад +2

      They aren't "losing" a billion dollars as in misplacing it or wasting it. Investors are willing to pay collectively a billion dollars for shares of the company and then when economic factors change and hype dies down they are no longer willing to pay that much. It's more of a miraculous thing that something that is ultimately not worth very much could be valued at a billion dollars.

    • @Katt1n
      @Katt1n 3 месяца назад

      You are completely clueless and you definitely would fuck that up in a short time later. Thanks for further proving the correlation between intelligence and wealth.

  • @davidgreen5994
    @davidgreen5994 3 месяца назад +32

    It failed, because the suits entered the 'discord'. The suits who know nothing about games, or care about gaming, and just want to make a lot of money, smelled the potential and instead of letting it grow organically, they tried to force it to grow in the Super Bowl for nerds in a couple of years, and dreamed to make billions. And due to ridiculous costs, nobody made anything. Is just dumb... Esports will continue to be a thing, but unless is left alone to grow at it's own pace, it won't become Super Bowl.

  • @tetryl1
    @tetryl1 3 месяца назад +17

    I've been kinda waiting for this from about 2017 on when I realized that e-sports is never going to actually make money. Got no idea how and why certain institutions have been so willing to burn money for so long.

  • @roufdrapht
    @roufdrapht 3 месяца назад +111

    Esports should be like 20 people in an empty classroom fighting for bragging rights

    • @longrobosa-kfpawacs9051
      @longrobosa-kfpawacs9051 3 месяца назад +7

      This version of esport exist but only in middle school and highschool

    • @notfred9098
      @notfred9098 3 месяца назад +1

      If there's 20 people in a classroom, is it empty?

    • @revivedkyoumahououin1585
      @revivedkyoumahououin1585 3 месяца назад +2

      ​@@notfred9098he probably meant empty in regards to the audience.

  • @timstone2813
    @timstone2813 3 месяца назад +62

    Good, what a waste of money.

  • @Pulmonox
    @Pulmonox 3 месяца назад +7

    And I couldn't be happier.
    I DETEST what eSports has done to the hobby on every front. From game development MO to the way players treat competition to unnecessary leaderboards and achievement challenges.... It's all so tiresome.
    Let it burn. I'm fine with grass-roots events and tournaments, but when companies tried to PUSH this crap and deliberately develop a game specifically to buy into the eSports market it just ruined so much.
    I still remember how fun Overwatch used to be. I haven't played it since 2019.

  • @TraTranc
    @TraTranc 3 месяца назад +25

    And about sweet fucking time it did.

  • @ChazDragoon
    @ChazDragoon 3 месяца назад +28

    I hated E-sports from day 1...probably one of the few times I would agree with Sports Radio's sentiments about it at the time. (I worked at a radio station w/ multiple sports stations).
    And my opinion only got vindicated as I saw the same sort of controversies and drama present in the NFL show up in e-sports.
    It's yet another example, to me, why anything gaming related should be in the hands of people who love and play video games. Not these out of touch suits looking to profit off OUR hobby and communities.

  • @sush7117
    @sush7117 3 месяца назад +7

    btw Russia suddenly decided to become e-sports hub as well. Just a few days ago Putin personally attended big international e-esports event in Kazan. It's been only few month since some goverment official blamed games for teenage crimes and now we have that. It's like fever dream

    • @SacredCASHcow
      @SacredCASHcow 3 месяца назад

      oh so the corrupt, shithole country managed to do one thing that well and I'm supposed to clap?

    • @HopelesslyCritical
      @HopelesslyCritical 3 месяца назад +3

      Politics.
      As for event, I heard that they had specific categories, like Strategy, Tactics etc, and combined gaming with other activities?

    • @julianojosoa2145
      @julianojosoa2145 3 месяца назад

      Well Russia won it all the past years ! With Team Spirit winning The International 2021 (DOTA2), they highest prize money in eSports history and then wining it again two years later. Plus, they are doing well in CSGO, it's eSports has become a true carreer path for young Russians. And this video is wrong at one point. It's only the NA scene that's collapsing not the Western eSports scene. And he's talking more about LoL and Overwatch because those are the ones that do Franchising. Meanwhile CS and DOTA seems to be do the same or a bit better with ESL, PGL, and other TO

  • @joshuaDstarks
    @joshuaDstarks 3 месяца назад +10

    You sure this didn’t already happen a while ago?
    I haven’t heard anything about esports in forever…outside of NFT controversy.

  • @Bvic3
    @Bvic3 3 месяца назад +5

    In France, Zerator (former SC2 player and commentator) is organising massive shows with 20k people paying 100-200€ for entry to spectat a Trackmania funny joke tournament.
    His esports events company is profitable. Viewers are willing to pay for high rock star shows in person.

  • @steffenbryde7957
    @steffenbryde7957 3 месяца назад +11

    Complete annihilation!
    Just like my personal economy.

  • @lasskinn474
    @lasskinn474 3 месяца назад +11

    the esports value is in selling the game. on the flipside participating in what counts as esports is incredibly accessible and cheap, compared to anything like hockey or such hobbies that have a high buy in price(equipment, team fees in junior level, transport) and are only accessible if your parents have plenty of $$$(said parents may think they have plenty of money but reality is that little Truong from vietnam and bimmy from compton effectively can both enjoy fortnite or quake or whatever it is they choose to play.

  • @whizzdom6923
    @whizzdom6923 3 месяца назад +4

    It's riddled with cheats it's never going to be taken seriously until they clean it up.

  • @Hoenir
    @Hoenir 3 месяца назад +9

    Thank god this whole NFL, FIFA wannabe Esports bubble is gone.

  • @crashtestdummy7223
    @crashtestdummy7223 2 месяца назад +1

    The giraffe marching across the yard always keeps me here until the very end of the video. I love it, and I find its usage to be very clever. I hate it when some creators beg for comments or falsely claim to care about what people have to say in the comments. Yes I know engagement is critical to revenue but 90% of creators lack any subtlety, any art to it. Your giraffe keeps people here to the end without having to ask for it, and I love that. Well done.

  • @kaleiohulee6693
    @kaleiohulee6693 3 месяца назад +7

    I seriously question the wisdom of esports investors and I always suspected they were being scammed by game companies like Blizzard. They were being sold a complete fantasy of founding the next NFL or something but with no control over the game it was being based on. The leaked contracts sounded ridiculous, pushing profits for investors out a decade and almost all of the money going to the game companies first.

  • @karansainiscmhrd
    @karansainiscmhrd 3 месяца назад +2

    Sadly what comes after the fire will not be different coz most organizations don't learn from their mistakes.

  • @asmkalrizion7078
    @asmkalrizion7078 3 месяца назад +10

    One of the main issues with Esports is its shortlived life cycles, its not like we're coming out with a new Football every 3 years,
    And because you can get an identical, if not *better* experience by just watching a streamer.
    And with the Esports audience being both split up between so many different games *and* constantly flowing from one game to another, its hard to actually establish an Esport without a big financial backer picking and choosing winners by popularity rather than functionality

    • @kenn1116
      @kenn1116 3 месяца назад +4

      Agreed I like watching Star craft 2 my brother likes watching Street Fighter. The 2 don’t intersect. . My brother works for an esports company as well and from time to time I bring up the elephant in the room to him, how does it make money?

  • @ORMONDROPON
    @ORMONDROPON 3 месяца назад +4

    I am a HUGE gamer, played competitive and ranked extremely high in several games, and I have always said there is ZERO potential in E-sports.

  • @Tory-JJ
    @Tory-JJ 3 месяца назад +13

    whats with the porn bots lmfao

    • @volvo09
      @volvo09 3 месяца назад +5

      RUclips loves them...

    • @Freddie7191
      @Freddie7191 3 месяца назад +7

      RUclips's too busy making sure their service doesn't work for adblock users.

  • @mtoffo2275
    @mtoffo2275 3 месяца назад +4

    People like you are giving traditional journalism a run for their money. Great job

  • @davidc1878
    @davidc1878 3 месяца назад +3

    Can't say I am surprised. Esports essentially grew up in the bubble era (late 1990s to the present) and what we are seeing over the last decade is that those bubble are bursting or have burst. The last two decades have been fuelled by massive debt creation and artifically low interest rates. Many tech industries (smartphones, social media, crypto) all were born in the bubble years. Now, the global economy imploding and I fear there are going to be a lot of negative effects across the tech industry, with esports just being one of the many casualties. Thanks for the video!

  • @SaiyanInTraining
    @SaiyanInTraining 3 месяца назад +4

    I feel like an aspect that doesnt get brought up much is the fact that its incredibly easy to play games. Its hard to get a group together to play football or baseball. A esports customer has to actively not be playing the game they enjoy to watch others play instead.

    • @davidrenton
      @davidrenton 3 месяца назад +2

      i think you have a point, and most gamers could'nt give a rats backside about E-Sports, generally seems quite tedious, and as you say i would rather play CS than watch it

    • @propheinx2250
      @propheinx2250 2 месяца назад

      That's how I feel about let's plays. Why tf would I watch some twat play a game when I could just play it myself and enjoy the spent time more?

    • @Saltience
      @Saltience 2 месяца назад

      Ehh I don't think this is the issue. eSports and Sports as a whole trade on spectacle: watching absolute masters take something you love to its limits. Problems arise when you stifle those masters into say bad tournament structures and other things that hamper their ability to excel.

    • @davidrenton
      @davidrenton 2 месяца назад

      @@Saltience i think the problem is if you say play , like football you are gonna watch the World cup and pretty much any significant sporting competition, i don't think that applies to gamers, most games have zero interest in E Sports, don't follow it.
      If E sports has the problem with attracting people who actually enjoy video games, its got zero chance to do so who don't.
      The idea E Sports would be in the Olympics for instance is ludacrious , E Sports appeal is niche and that's where it's problems lie

    • @Saltience
      @Saltience 2 месяца назад

      @@davidrenton I would argue that the problem isn't that eSports is too niche, but that the major eSports games aren't fun enough to watch.
      Valorant and Overwatch put me to sleep.

  • @TBoneTony
    @TBoneTony 3 месяца назад +3

    This is the reason why E-Sports needs to be fan made and fan run by people who are passionate about their enjoyment.
    I don't like it when large companies try to fund E-Sports and infiltrate rules that go against the fandoms.

  • @cramsa
    @cramsa 2 месяца назад +2

    I grew up playing quake 2,3, counter strike etc and I was NEVER interested in seeing other people playing games on streaming etc and the idea of a “professional” gamer is straight up laughable.
    When you take the fun out of it and try to monetize everything about it, it becomes LAME.

  • @jakkuhl6223
    @jakkuhl6223 3 месяца назад +1

    A few years ago I was in a Beedubs and they had a Dota 2 tourney on one kf the TVs. It was at that moment that the absurd cringe of it all hit me like a surprise baseball bat to the face.

  • @LukeForPuns
    @LukeForPuns 3 месяца назад +3

    Too bad most corporate promotion was artificial from the get-go. Saw a bunch of large companies with hyper-inflated PR and advertising budgets try to wave a magic wand and hope for the next CS-GO or Melee, but for normies who don’t really care about games. I wonder if they got that idea from the Wii era…

  • @danielclark-hughes692
    @danielclark-hughes692 3 месяца назад +14

    Oh no!
    Anyway...

  • @tmacnavyseal4789
    @tmacnavyseal4789 3 месяца назад +8

    the money ran out that's why its dead

  • @davefawcett4894
    @davefawcett4894 3 месяца назад +1

    Well done as usual

  • @Alexandragon1
    @Alexandragon1 2 месяца назад

    Thx for the video!

  • @dentron9885
    @dentron9885 3 месяца назад +8

    Gaming is a hobby not a job. Some hobbies can be translated into a job if you actually make something new, but playing games sure isnt one of them.

    • @watsonwrote
      @watsonwrote 3 месяца назад +1

      I'd say it definitely is for many content creators. But they're also entertainers and playing games for an audience and creating interesting streams or videos is different from playing for fun. Speedrunners and challenge runners are still very talented, but without charisma and the ability to engage with the audience and community, they wouldn't have a job.
      One of the problems with eSports is that they aren't more entertaining than Twitch and RUclips video game content creators. They lack the charisma and relationship with the audience for the most part.

  • @TZanatta
    @TZanatta 3 месяца назад +4

    You know it's gonna be a banger when he begins with "Alright..."

  • @hippieash2799
    @hippieash2799 3 месяца назад +2

    I say this often: you can make a fun game be competitive, you can’t make a competitive game fun

  • @battlion507
    @battlion507 3 месяца назад +1

    I recall a time when a hometown basically outsourced their e sports team to compete.

  • @tianx9275
    @tianx9275 3 месяца назад +2

    They are there to grab money and because of that, there is a lack of complete thought process to capture the fan base for long term but then again, that's pretty much everything nowadays, ain't it? Just quick in and out and when everything fails, pull out.

  • @Jitterzz
    @Jitterzz 2 месяца назад

    @1:49 “corrupt partnerships” is a great way to explain it. There’s a lot of business deals that favor major teams or regions, and then there’s scenes like Smash where it’s all nepotism and favoritism.

  • @misterkefir
    @misterkefir 3 месяца назад +1

    Peak e-sports was and still to this day remains the 1999-2015 era Brood War/LoL circuit under OGN and MBC. We are never getting to this level again. No way.

  • @dsagent
    @dsagent 3 месяца назад +1

    Whenever goty awards so up they have all these Esports categories and most people recognize no one.

  • @krislynn5965
    @krislynn5965 3 месяца назад +2

    I never got in to the FOMO mindset. Thank god. I think esports has done just as much damage as its done good. I'd rather it go away completely than it continuing in its current state.

  • @praisejeebus7544
    @praisejeebus7544 3 месяца назад +4

    I wont lie, im wicked happy about this. Now i might be able to play titanfall or mortal kombat without some random no-lifer coming in and spawnkilling me on loop or juggling me like pins at the state fair.

  • @dsfs17987
    @dsfs17987 3 месяца назад +1

    so they essentially traded false advertising for fake money backed by nothing but greed

  • @codaman127
    @codaman127 3 месяца назад +1

    This is what happens when companies try to capitalize on people's love for the sport found in good games, by missing the point in making sports for games.

  • @planescaped
    @planescaped 3 месяца назад +3

    I watched LoL E-sports for a few years despite having never played the game and having no intention ever to, but stopped watching about 4-5 years ago.
    Once I saw the bottom rank Korean team go to win the entire world championship just because of a patch, it really took away the wonder of it all. If a patch can so drastically and fundamentally change everything to the degree that last place becomes first, and the dominant team becomes middle of the road, then wtf is the baseline? How much does skill actually matter and how much of it is dictated by arbitrary balance tweaks?
    Once I realized the level of randomness and inconsistency in E-sports I kinda lost interest.

  • @supersonicsaga
    @supersonicsaga 3 месяца назад +31

    I hate how sterile competive gaming has gotten, why did they ban people like lowtiergod, they are what makes events like those exciting.

    • @dankmemes8254
      @dankmemes8254 3 месяца назад +10

      Fr he naturally fit the "he is the main villan of the tournament" role

    • @soundrogue4472
      @soundrogue4472 3 месяца назад +9

      Uh because Lowtiergod is a creep, he goes for the youngest possible women he can get his hands on.

    • @dankmemes8254
      @dankmemes8254 3 месяца назад +9

      @@soundrogue4472 tbf guy needs a therapy

    • @soundrogue4472
      @soundrogue4472 3 месяца назад +4

      @@dankmemes8254To quote TFS cell, "Oh please, there is no shrink qualified enough to deal with that hot mess"

  • @ttpechon2535
    @ttpechon2535 3 месяца назад +1

    I can't believe how marketing has woven its way into absolutely everything. You can't do or look at anything without marketing being a huge part of it.

  • @mawnkey
    @mawnkey 3 месяца назад +1

    Having helped out the CPL a bunch in its early days and seen how it *never* had any hope of becoming a viable place to work, I'm entirely unsurprised the whole scene is now failing.

  • @FreakinPeanut
    @FreakinPeanut 3 месяца назад +5

    Slow daily updates, bloated game launchers, glitchy half baked games, and idiotic loyalty has pushed me out of multiplayer games.
    Single or local multiplayer is where I get the most fun, and shall hang out there while I play ancient games on ancient consoles... I recommend everyone try it.

  • @flavourfulz8147
    @flavourfulz8147 3 месяца назад +3

    Esports died long time ago, in fact only time competitive gaming was even good was when it was niche , back in Counter strike source days, and Lan parties was a real thing 2001 to 2009, the audience for esports is not big, its overinflated numbers, and most people just don't care who are involved in gaming, you can ask average gamer about favorite esports team and 90% of them don't have one and mostly comes down to not knowing any, and now companys like blizzard with OW crap wanna push it ect in a market that no one cared for and yeah let it die, whole thing was cringe af to begin with, it should be niche and small.

  • @GeorgeCowsert
    @GeorgeCowsert 3 месяца назад +1

    All a company has to do is say to the community: "Find a way to make a competitive interpretation of our game profitable. Those that qualify will get a brief funding injection and then observed for changes in stability. The best format will be officially endorsed and adopted."
    There! A relatively low-risk way for a company to invest in Esports. It's so simple.

  • @bootyjenkins1265
    @bootyjenkins1265 3 месяца назад +3

    Im not interested in watching a bunch of guys who don’t bathe play videogames on a stage.

  • @PhillKaggitz
    @PhillKaggitz 3 месяца назад +2

    Glad to see that gaming is healing. We just need to get rid of the tourists and we should be okay.

  • @CommanderBohn
    @CommanderBohn 3 месяца назад +2

    Good. Maybe now gaming will heal as well we'll get ACTUAL multiplayer tournaments that are organic.

  • @df71091
    @df71091 3 месяца назад +7

    SBMM kills the fun , just wanted to point that out

    • @funkymunky7935
      @funkymunky7935 3 месяца назад +1

      You might have a point if I knew what SBMM is

    • @HopelesslyCritical
      @HopelesslyCritical 3 месяца назад +1

      ​@@funkymunky7935 Skill based matchmaking

    • @ttpechon2535
      @ttpechon2535 3 месяца назад

      Sort of. Atleast in my experience, games tend to be less fun without it. I'm not good at any competitive games, so when I try to play one without SBMM, I get utterly destroyed and quickly loose interest in the game. I can see wanting to get better being a driving force to keep playing, but I really don't care enough to spend hundreds of hours on a specific game. Idk, just my pov.

  • @defundhollywood3259
    @defundhollywood3259 3 месяца назад

    I miss carting my whole PC over to someone else's house for a LAN party. 😭 And I'm not even any good at video games!!

  • @Asrtyulg
    @Asrtyulg 2 месяца назад +1

    Age of empires 2 is at its peak! We just had a tournament with 50k base prizes and another 20k in community sponsored prize donations. For 16 players. Oh and the qualifiers had a $9,999 prize pool where everyone got at least something.

    • @Asrtyulg
      @Asrtyulg 2 месяца назад

      And honestly, the tournament itself was so fun to watch and the gameplay was fantastic. 'Hidden Cup 5' if you want to check it out

  • @acetechnical6574
    @acetechnical6574 3 месяца назад +3

    Good stuff, this is why I sometimes like UE!
    Next up, a fact-free paranoid warning about the dangers of hydroxylic acid, which our kids are ingesting on a daily basis!!!

  • @FallicIdol
    @FallicIdol 2 месяца назад

    Nothing of value will be lost

  • @marjoh669
    @marjoh669 3 месяца назад +5

    Now we’re waiting for the AI and EV bubble to burst🙃
    Maybe even ESG if we’re lucky🤔
    And should GTA VI fail to live up to expectations, it wouldn’t suprise me at all that it’s the spark for igniting a new videogame crash🙂

  • @stevenglowacki8576
    @stevenglowacki8576 3 месяца назад +1

    I'm surprised there's no mention of match fixing. I was really surprised recently when I heard about some match fixing scandals in e-sports, and apparently they've been happening for quite a long time. When the players aren't paid all that much compared to the money that can be thrown around by gambling syndicates, it's going to happen.

  • @VerdadTruth
    @VerdadTruth 3 месяца назад +1

    Who remembers when the first Assasins Creed came out? Or the first Jak and Daxter? The first Destiny? The first Halo? What happened to our games? WE DEMAND MORE!

  • @the1player636
    @the1player636 3 месяца назад

    “for the sake of time, i have to keep it trimmed” that was a full minute of an advertisement that uve talked about before.

  • @Kat1kafka
    @Kat1kafka 3 месяца назад +5

    While EVO is still going strong and better

  • @watsonwrote
    @watsonwrote 3 месяца назад

    My last year of college, my tiny public university wanted to create an eSports team and was seeking feedback from the students. I wrote a passionate letter about how the industry was exploitative, irresponsible, and didn't have a stable future. Wasting our university's limited resources was a bad move, and would waste students' precious time and energy only to put them in a toxic, unhealthy industry. They promptly ignored criticism and made the eSports team anyway. It's been a few years but the industry has only gotten worse. I know I was right and it was not a good idea to make the team.
    It's not even like "oh video games bad!" fearmongering. Esports as it currently exists is not worth it.

  • @its_notta_cedar
    @its_notta_cedar 2 месяца назад

    I knew this was a bubble when I met a guy in 2019 going to college to manage esports.

  • @Acolyte_of_Cthulhu
    @Acolyte_of_Cthulhu 3 месяца назад +9

    Finally, streamers next.

  • @sulphurous2656
    @sulphurous2656 3 месяца назад +1

    And it's about time. E-'Sports' has been a massive blight on the world of video games. They've been trying to turn it from a hobby/art/fun experience into a faux full-time job/career.

  • @lamplight9871
    @lamplight9871 2 месяца назад

    A ton of companies are in trouble because they are whatever glut they made and either dumped their chances by trying to sell garbage or devoured the surplus cash they made out of pure greed.
    This crap is happening everywhere.

  • @SinnerChrono
    @SinnerChrono 3 месяца назад +1

    I never watch pro teams. I find it boring to watch competitive gaming. Why watch what i can play?

  • @Remigrator
    @Remigrator 3 месяца назад

    Who could have guessed that sitting in front of a PC isn't sports? 🤣

  • @Lisa_Minci96
    @Lisa_Minci96 3 месяца назад

    So much correction!!!😭😭😭💢💢💢

  • @yahya_elistinsary
    @yahya_elistinsary 3 месяца назад

    its about time....

  • @thismissivemisfit
    @thismissivemisfit 3 месяца назад

    The early 2010's there was A LOT of hype about e-sports in my country. Sure, there were local teams who competed internationally and made a name for themselves, but nobody, including government agencies, saw potential in them beyond that. Imagine how much strategic thinking talent and teamwork these people have, they could have levelled up industries to boost the local economy.

  • @7ropz
    @7ropz 2 месяца назад

    "just doesn't work"😂😂😂

  • @prezzeruk4054
    @prezzeruk4054 3 месяца назад +7

    The worst thing that happened to gaming was, it going mainstream!
    Bring back the days wen it was sad and nerdy!!
    Oh and pvp is another reason gaming is ruined!

    • @dankmemes8254
      @dankmemes8254 3 месяца назад

      Counter point for PVP warcraft3 the original one not the godforsaken reforged and starcraft are good examples

  • @augustwolf9250
    @augustwolf9250 3 месяца назад +1

    Can’t believe I’m 21 watching trash esports come to an end, I always thought it would last longer