Grind in Classic has an end though... when you get an item and it is BiS, it stays bis either forever or for a veeeery long time. BiS on retail has lifespan about 3 months which means the grind never ends there.
@@lamebubblesflysohigh Yes "classic" has a end point, but this is about the people saying how retail is a grind. And wanted "classic" because they thought it wasn't a grind, people forget the pvp grind. Which I have no doubt could be argued was one of the worst grinds in any game hands down. Personally the people who say retail WoW turned into a grind, are frankly stupid. It's always been a grind, it's just they can't see it with the nostalgia glasses on. I sat around for months in retail with my thumb up my butt, because you also finish the grind between content. Only advantage people have now, is the vast amount of past content they can grind also. Personally I think when people "complain" about the grind, it's more they just burned out on the game. And want that "new" fun they had when they first started. I was extremely tempted to play Classic, but I also knew hands down I couldn't even come close to doing the pvp grind now days. And pvp will be full of honor geared people mowing down casuals in months to come.
@@spencers4121 this is not how classic PvP works. Very few people will reach rank high enough to get epic pvp gear hence epics from raids will reign supreme. If you are being mowed by someone in pvp epic gear, chances are that they are in a premade and they would mow you down even in questing greens. You need only rank 10 to get pvp blues and some of these are better or on par with pre-raid BiS from pve so if you do not want to grind dungeons, you can get rank 10 which is obtainable even for casuals.
Are people aware of how much NR influences ranking? If all players who want a decent PVP rank crossed the minimum at all 9 alts (no high level needed) to enter NR, they would allow the brackets to be much wider (max x10). Basically, low level alts would take the bottom 90% of the ranking list and thus push all the main characters on the server in the first few brackets.
rank 10 for the full blue set, which has been confirmed by blue posts to be the naxx version of gear (which is about equivilent to BWL/AQ40 gear) and is very well itemized for holy ret and even prot. the only piece youd not use is the gloves, and maybe the helm/legs if you have t2 already.
The ranking system reminds me alot of Star Wars Galaxies. There you would also earn points during the week and then every Thursday there was a reset day, if you had not gotten enough points you would get a rank down, at a certain point level you would just keep the rank you had, and at another point level you could get a rank up. Now in SWG npc kills would count, and destroying rebel/imperial bases would also give points, so that way it is different, only rebel and imperial npc's would count, since you couldnt attack neutral npc's. Also there was no limit on how many could hold any rank.
i kind of think they might because people will bitch about getting farmed in world pvp. They probably wouldn't do it for another month or two, but I do think they will end up doing it before phase 3 unlike what they have originally said.
Sooo, Rogue’s PvP set is basically going full T1 for 10 extra engage energy and more+better vanishes (and a few crit/hit% here and there, which notably serves you your PvP hit cap on a silver plate). So aside from the PvP trinket and the rank 14 weapons, if you want better gear for PvP, best thing you can bet on is PvEing more. Allrighty !
Dear Horde: it was nice questing and leveling beside you. Teaming up against epic enemies, or saving eachother from npcs about to finish you up was nice. Every single one of you are kill-on-sight now.
i like classic but i find the pvp system disappointing, im skilled in pvp, but i dont have that kind of time, it feels like if i dont play 24/7 i get discriminated on by kids with no job or life. lol no thanks
This is hands down why I didn't come back for Classic, I don't have the time. And to be a little honest the desire to play 12 hours a day, just imagine months from now. All the casuals will be getting mowed down by honor geared neck beards. I was watching swifty the other day, and he was talking about the up coming honor grind and his schedule. No joke the look on his face was heart breaking, he honestly looked like someone just ran over his dog as he was talking about the grind.
@@edwardenglehart9443its always the same complaint like they didnt have the time to level to cap. I bet that if you watched them play, they always go solo.
Achievements in general are discriminatory. I’m really good at being a doctor but they won’t let me operate just because I didn’t have the time to go to medical school? It’s just pure discrimination.
You loose a TON of honor. My friend back in original classic hit R14 but didn't buy the weapons before he went on an Ironforge PVP raid with us and ended up getting a DK cause someone else killed it. He stopped going for R14 after that..
it becomes really casual friendly and fun once bg's come out. hell getting rank 13 when bg's comes out is pretty damn casually fun. pre bg's its a chore but nothing too crazy for rank 10.
Ive heard Dishonorable Kills dont affect ur rank first week due to everyone being equal and have no rank yet until next weeks reset.. Can you confirm if true or not?
84 % of AFK players in PvP are players ranked knight or higher...data pulled out of 100 AV games 7 days straight...15 years ago pvp rank had some meaning...now days people just mock you :)
PvP was dead since WoD released. Actually entire wow was dead when it released. Been playing wotlk for 10 years now on private. Since classic released, i have been playing both. The world pvp in vanilla is just great, but balance just doesnt exist. Well at least its fun. I think the best days for PvP was in wotlk and cata. For me, as much as people talk shit about cata, the pvp was pretty good. Overall the best expansion was wotlk. I hope they release it in some time, i have been mastering it for quite some time. Gonna own in pve and pvp.
Sorry but I am on a PVE server and do not embrace the ganking. Not why I play. Not why my guild plays. If this is what your channel will now concentrate on I am out. Subscription removed.
Literally logged in to a frostbolt flying towards me at a flight path today
rip lol
> logging out outside tavern / rest zone in 2019
i logged off when i remembered phase 2 was today
letting that rested xp soak in and getting back on at night lol
EverythingTechPro Same, but still can’t get anything done anywhere. It’s gonna take like 2 weeks at least to calm down.
Thank you this was very nicely put together its a lot of info explained in full gg man.
i hit 60 yesterday so im glad i made the push and hope to pvp alot
Lv19 for me 😣 RIP
BlueBoo I bet your 60 now
How do DHKs work in week 1? Since there's no progress to be lost then it doesn't matter?
I guess it doesnt nothing to lose
There is in fact nothing to lose in week 1 :)
As a healer I really hate this. I am a walking honor vendor.
gotta stay with the dps lol
Find a geared warrior and become destruction incarnate!
Cheers for clearing somethings up Buddy!
HIGH WARLORD VS GRAND MARSHAL
damn sounds like a damn monster movie
I hear that Rank 10 hype my warlock brother!
People crying out the infinite grind of retail but we have this in classic lmao. Still love classic , just saying
Well said, not going to lie I miss those old classic days. Will I ever do it again, hell no.
Grind in Classic has an end though... when you get an item and it is BiS, it stays bis either forever or for a veeeery long time. BiS on retail has lifespan about 3 months which means the grind never ends there.
@@lamebubblesflysohigh Yes "classic" has a end point, but this is about the people saying how retail is a grind. And wanted "classic" because they thought it wasn't a grind, people forget the pvp grind. Which I have no doubt could be argued was one of the worst grinds in any game hands down. Personally the people who say retail WoW turned into a grind, are frankly stupid. It's always been a grind, it's just they can't see it with the nostalgia glasses on. I sat around for months in retail with my thumb up my butt, because you also finish the grind between content. Only advantage people have now, is the vast amount of past content they can grind also. Personally I think when people "complain" about the grind, it's more they just burned out on the game. And want that "new" fun they had when they first started.
I was extremely tempted to play Classic, but I also knew hands down I couldn't even come close to doing the pvp grind now days. And pvp will be full of honor geared people mowing down casuals in months to come.
@@spencers4121 this is not how classic PvP works. Very few people will reach rank high enough to get epic pvp gear hence epics from raids will reign supreme. If you are being mowed by someone in pvp epic gear, chances are that they are in a premade and they would mow you down even in questing greens. You need only rank 10 to get pvp blues and some of these are better or on par with pre-raid BiS from pve so if you do not want to grind dungeons, you can get rank 10 which is obtainable even for casuals.
@@lamebubblesflysohigh you can bot the kills-honnor this is wellfare epics.
Great and informative video! Such a easy system right?
You have a really soothing voice btw
Important question,
is any good though?
No.
well I was in a 150+ v 150+ in southshore v tarren mill yesterday, was pretty hype. Im gonna give it a pass
Unplayably lagy
Are people aware of how much NR influences ranking? If all players who want a decent PVP rank crossed the minimum at all 9 alts (no high level needed) to enter NR, they would allow the brackets to be much wider (max x10).
Basically, low level alts would take the bottom 90% of the ranking list and thus push all the main characters on the server in the first few brackets.
idk people are gonna start bragging about the amount of cp they have.
How high should a paladin holy get upto to make it worth while? im not getting 14...
Not worth it, unless you really want the trinket.
To be honest pally gear for holy is ... not good at all. Your raid gear is far better if you want to pvp with it.
rank 10 for the full blue set, which has been confirmed by blue posts to be the naxx version of gear (which is about equivilent to BWL/AQ40 gear) and is very well itemized for holy ret and even prot. the only piece youd not use is the gloves, and maybe the helm/legs if you have t2 already.
The ranking system reminds me alot of Star Wars Galaxies.
There you would also earn points during the week and then every Thursday there was a reset day, if you had not gotten enough points you would get a rank down, at a certain point level you would just keep the rank you had, and at another point level you could get a rank up.
Now in SWG npc kills would count, and destroying rebel/imperial bases would also give points, so that way it is different, only rebel and imperial npc's would count, since you couldnt attack neutral npc's.
Also there was no limit on how many could hold any rank.
5:05 "Short battlegrounds like WSG" Only if they add the time limit, I can remember logging out of WSG's and coming back to the same game hours later.
What are the chances they bring WSG out soon?
i kind of think they might because people will bitch about getting farmed in world pvp. They probably wouldn't do it for another month or two, but I do think they will end up doing it before phase 3 unlike what they have originally said.
SoySauce HairDye nah
I think they might pull a bit of a diremaul
50/50 they either do or they dont
I don't think I will play till it's released. Last I heard my server was 70-30 horde-alliance. I am alliance.
Willy is the number 1 bad man
HE SCORES GOALS GALORE
Sooo, Rogue’s PvP set is basically going full T1 for 10 extra engage energy and more+better vanishes (and a few crit/hit% here and there, which notably serves you your PvP hit cap on a silver plate).
So aside from the PvP trinket and the rank 14 weapons, if you want better gear for PvP, best thing you can bet on is PvEing more.
Allrighty !
it's possible to hit the honor bracket for the few worthy to hit rank 14 pre bgs. just a pain and a guild wide effort.
True that!
are bg's available?
What happened to your secondary channel? I was looking for the priest's guide and I can't find it
Vanilla WoW Class Guide: PRIEST - PvE, PvP, Gear
Omg, there are servers with that many alliance? On Skeram I haven’t even seen 1/5th of those numbers in IF...
Dear Horde: it was nice questing and leveling beside you. Teaming up against epic enemies, or saving eachother from npcs about to finish you up was nice. Every single one of you are kill-on-sight now.
Lok'tar ogar!
For the Alliance my fellow brother/sister.
"Every single one of you are kill-on-sight now".... ye, good luck on that one. Say hi to the maggots at yout local GY filthy alliance.
The feeling is mutual
@@runekjsterud3843 Like you horde monsters can talk. Jk. I play on both factions, so idrc.
i like classic but i find the pvp system disappointing, im skilled in pvp, but i dont have that kind of time, it feels like if i dont play 24/7 i get discriminated on by kids with no job or life. lol no thanks
This is hands down why I didn't come back for Classic, I don't have the time. And to be a little honest the desire to play 12 hours a day, just imagine months from now. All the casuals will be getting mowed down by honor geared neck beards.
I was watching swifty the other day, and he was talking about the up coming honor grind and his schedule. No joke the look on his face was heart breaking, he honestly looked like someone just ran over his dog as he was talking about the grind.
It's really not that bad I work full time and have a wife and five kids. Jesus yall are so dramatic XD
@@edwardenglehart9443its always the same complaint like they didnt have the time to level to cap. I bet that if you watched them play, they always go solo.
Achievements in general are discriminatory. I’m really good at being a doctor but they won’t let me operate just because I didn’t have the time to go to medical school? It’s just pure discrimination.
What happen if you got dishonorable kills?
You loose a TON of honor. My friend back in original classic hit R14 but didn't buy the weapons before he went on an Ironforge PVP raid with us and ended up getting a DK cause someone else killed it. He stopped going for R14 after that..
@@solmn3844 yeah like what will happened? Because i never got dishonorable kill when play wow
@@wojakthecrusader1410 you will. A lowbie , lots of them will flood the aoe you put down and you will kill them. Bam DK lol. Then you lose honnor
@@robertAnthonyColon not that i mean what will happen if you lose honor? Is there some kind of punishment?
So at the end of classic, will Naxx gear be better than this gear ?
10:44 Won't that bring it up to 55%?
Now ganking time starts
Do we know if blue sets are gonna be available in phase 2? Seeing a ton of conflicting information that they won't be available until phase 6
How hard is it to get to rank 10? Do you need to play super much?
Wargen uhhh yes. Basically non stop
@@nolan3915 For rank 10? you don't have to pvp nonstop 24/7 for rank 10 bro thats 11 to 14
literally 2 hours a day dedicated to pvp and you will hit rank 10. may take an extra week or two but you can play casual and get rank 10
couple hours a day, nothing insane tbh. Will happen over time
it becomes really casual friendly and fun once bg's come out. hell getting rank 13 when bg's comes out is pretty damn casually fun. pre bg's its a chore but nothing too crazy for rank 10.
Ive heard Dishonorable Kills dont affect ur rank first week due to everyone being equal and have no rank yet until next weeks reset.. Can you confirm if true or not?
But you can't get te blue rank sets that is p5? So even if we grind to rank 10 before phase 5 that means we can't buy the set surely?
ghost wolf get upto 55% speed not 45 wich is actually pretty damn good
The only way to get honor gear is rank 10+??
Can we buy gear with our honor gains without hitting a high rank?
I'm aiming for a rank 7-10, I don't think I can in this phase cause theres too many serious players in competition but maybe later
how to get title please its a on npc? actually im killed 236 lifetime kills
Wellfare epics. You could literally bot the honnor/kills
11 minimum for the sexy mounts 13 for my gear if i don't burn out
Can’t wait for guilds to kite world bosses right into capital cities again... let the fun begin
you can't do that in the current patch of classic
Why kite a world boss when you can jst kill it for great loot lol
I'm going for rank 15
Never heard anyone say contribution points
So you need to be an unemployed bum or a streamer to achieve rank 14.
It helps, you also need friends, it's extremely difficult solo, but if you pvp a lot you will fall into the crowd.
Both
84 % of AFK players in PvP are players ranked knight or higher...data pulled out of 100 AV games 7 days straight...15 years ago pvp rank had some meaning...now days people just mock you :)
People like grim are probably shaking their heads.
1:55 it's pronounced "left tennant" if youre from UK
All the casuals are sour right now, they can't finish questing lol. Go grind some dungeons.
rank 3 for mount, what? no....
PvP is dead classic realises and people play it for the PvP yeah blizz is not going to focus it in shadowlands
(Classic PvP is obviously balanced)
PvP was dead since WoD released. Actually entire wow was dead when it released. Been playing wotlk for 10 years now on private. Since classic released, i have been playing both. The world pvp in vanilla is just great, but balance just doesnt exist. Well at least its fun. I think the best days for PvP was in wotlk and cata. For me, as much as people talk shit about cata, the pvp was pretty good. Overall the best expansion was wotlk. I hope they release it in some time, i have been mastering it for quite some time. Gonna own in pve and pvp.
"One. Rank. Four. Teen. Player. Per. Week."
You speak like there's a full-stop between each word haha
😊😊
the fact that its a honor kill to gank with a full raid of 60tis level 54 players is the most most stupid thing.
Shit happens.
I'll be playing 15 hours per day regardless of who the server decides will be getting rank 14. If he wants it, he has to earn it.
Shit must be nice having 0 responsibilities
@@robertAnthonyColon Yeah, it's not bad.
Sorry but I am on a PVE server and do not embrace the ganking. Not why I play. Not why my guild plays.
If this is what your channel will now concentrate on I am out. Subscription removed.
who the fuck cares dude
Wah wah wah
Everybody light up candles and press F... this man is sirious!
tard
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