Do you guys ever get the feeling sometimes these guys and other well known dynasty pods like to piss on certain rookies so they can grab them at a discount in their leagues?
Malik Washington had like a 63% contested catch win rate. That is a crazy stat for a 5-8 195# guy. He can jump out of the gym and has late hands to win at the point of the catch. I am the head of the Malik Washington fan club.
@@Zabougie I’m not very high on Franklin. I think he’s a late 2nd-early 3rd round prospect, solely a deep threat. But Brett seems to have something personal against him lol
@MarchOnRome I could just be projecting, but I think I sound like a big Franklin hater sometimes as well because I feel the need to push back against the very vehemently vocal section of fans who swear he should go in the 1st. Now at the end of the second or later, I agree, I'm taking a good hard look at dude and considering adding him to the squad as a good vertical wr prospect. Brett might need to clarify where he has him lol.
Tyler Lockett is my favorite comp for Ladd I’ve seen so far. That’s really nice. And makes a lot more sense than the Cooper Kupp thing (a much bigger, more physical style of player). In terms of that fast, gliding slight-of-frame route runner with inside-outside versatility who can win downfield and underneath, that’s a really nice comp. I also agree that Tyler definitely has better hands.
I've also heard Antonio Brown and Demarius Thomas thrown out there. I'm a little concerned about his frailty; he was constantly banged up at UGA. Point is, I think I like the AB comp best, but swap out time missed for physical health (Ladd) for mental health (AB).
Odunze will have no problem, creating separation at the NFL level, as he continues to refine his route running. Barring injury and depending on who's throwing to him, he could easily wind up being the best receiver in this year's draft class.
So on the point about Keon Coleman's real game speed being shown in the gauntlet drill- A better measure might be using (unfortunately non-public) PFF Game Athleticism Score (GAS). Puka was a 99th percentile GAS guy in addition to the gauntlet drill performance meanwhile Coleman was a just a respectable 93rd percentile.
@felixlara2945 according tracking data from when everybody actually played, he isn't even the fastest wr in the draft. He got an amazing 10 yard split that made his great speed look like transcendent speed during the 40. But 40 times aren't everything.
I'm kind of hoping for Adonai Mitchell at 28 the Legette in the second. I know some ppl are talking about us trading up but with the depth in this class I'm not sure if it's needed. Also in the second if we can get Jermaine Burton I would be stoked, he's underrated by many ppl. PPF has him higher than Legette, Koleman and Polk.
1:14:28 - 1:15:35 Frank Reich, Thomas Brown, and Shawn Jefferson all need to be tried for coaching malpractice for how they treated Jonathan Mingo in 2023. Dave Canales and Brad Idzik have a ton of work to do, obviously, but if they can get him in his right role early on in 2024, it should be a harbinger of good things for the Carolina Panthers.
This is exactly the kind of draft content I LOVE: pure, highly detailed player analysis. I’m much less interested in playing guessing games about what (insert random team’s GM here) thinks (insert another random team’s GM here) is gonna do at (insert random pick here). Tell me who these players ARE in the most granular terms you can muster.
I don’t get the people,and there are a significant number of them,that have Nabors ranked over him. If you’re watching tape it’s not even close MJH does everything at an elite level. His route running is superb. He has breakaway speed. He has the best body control I have ever seen. And has prototypical size. He has no flaws.
Here for the Rome Odunze opinions after the Bears drafted him... He's in a great position to fit into a lineup of receivers with other specialties that set up his ability to cook...
Hello. Which 1 of this grouping shall I keep; Montgomery in 6th, Reed in 15th orr Ford in 17th? Already keeping Collins in 9th. It’s A 12 team FULL ppr league which starts 1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, FLEX (RB, WR), TE & DST with about 18-24 total keepers, only can keep 2. Thanks A bunch! - Tony Tuddy
My thing on the big WR hate is that theres alot of bust at WR no matter the size but theres less of those big WRs so the bust stick in there head more. Also, i believe teams will be more creative and use big WRs in the slot more now than they use to.
Finally some Josh Cepheus love! Dude killed the competition over at UTSA. Zaire Franklin as well very under rated. Love anias smith too. Great hands and speed. Also like j’lynn polk who got overshadowed by odunze but he’s big physical fast who can catch 50/50 balls
Mitchell is a looser, more fluid athlete than Pickens. The lower body flex is ridiculous. Ree-dic-you-las. Unbelievable movement skills for his size. Which is why Brett’s Lamb comparison makes more sense.
Ainias Smith was someone I recently heard about. When looking at some of his highlights it was instantly captivating. There is something different about this guy for sure. If the Chiefs could land him, I think they would use him the right way. Since Toney didn't work out and Rice is pretty limited on what he excels at. Ainias Smith is both those guys in one, but better. Oh, and if the injury prone Pachecho goes down he can take that over if needed.
I LOVE the Danny dimes slander (as a giants fan) but penix won’t be there in round 2 but would endorse MHJ and trade back up into 1st for penix. Honestly if MHJ isn’t there just take penix with 6 and go WR second round
It's amazing how many guys can't catch with their hands who dominate college football. If you don't catch with your hands, to me, you're a 3rd rounder at best. Wasnt hip on quinten Johnson in the first round last year to LAC. I liked him a lot, but if you're an outside receiver who body catches im not betting on you to learn how to. You'd figure that would be a glaring weakness you'd address quickly at the college ranks. I just don't believe in the idea of there being many guys who can get away without using the extension of their arms and still being able to be a consistent mover of the ball. Casual deep threat with speed? Okay, but them hands make so many more passes good passes to a player.
Josh is actually the top rated QB on PFF this past year, that includes running and passing. In passing he is second only to Tua so idk what ur talking about. He had 3 more picks than Mahomes but also scored 18 rushing TDS.
Word on the street has McConkey and the Bills being enamored with each other. I would love for Kollmann to be right and see the Panthers get him at 33.
I really hate listening to after the bills drafted Keon Coleman. It just sounds like their gonna play him at X and he will fail there. It's just a wrong assessment of his talent and their setting him up for failure. I really hate how the bills evaluated talent thinking they can take 3 rounds picks and treat them Like they can compete with the chiefs they just can't if your picking like this. You are setting your team up for failure
I hope Johnny Wilson got some love in here cause I just don’t understand beyond drops . He moves like Mike Pittman and Mike Evans and those profiles don’t miss as often as prototype x or slot guys .. flankers and mix x /slot guys have the highest miss rate on projecting them
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Bootleg has the best draft content on RUclips. Well done, boys.
Tank Sports is my fav for qb content if you haven't already checked them out.
Do love Bootleg too especially with these collaborations.
Time to formulate my WR opinions based off this video 💪
Real shit
Listen to Matt, the other guys are morons when it comes to player evaluation
Odunze is biggest bust
@@mac4860Adonai Mitchell is going to be the best receiver in draft
@@123shoshanfound Mitchell's mom's account. Lol.
The Roast of Troy Franklin
Just start fitting him for the gold jacket after this.
It’s annoying atp bro doesn’t acknowledge anything else except for his drop rate the hate for this dude is insane
@@mac4118at the end of the day you gotta catch the football. Doesn’t really matter what else you can do if you aren’t RECEIVING it.
With the other receivers, what they're able to do is pointed out, yet with Franklin, what he "can't" is pointed out more than anything
Do you guys ever get the feeling sometimes these guys and other well known dynasty pods like to piss on certain rookies so they can grab them at a discount in their leagues?
15:52 find you somebody who looks at you the way Brett looks at the hypothetical of Ricky Pearsall to the Eagles
I'm an eagles fan, I agree with Brett entirely
Adonai Mitchell is better than all those guys
@@123shoshan
No
He
Isn't
@@123shoshanhe's not going to marry you dude
Ricky Pearsall to the 49ers🤷🏼♀️
Malik Washington had like a 63% contested catch win rate. That is a crazy stat for a 5-8 195# guy. He can jump out of the gym and has late hands to win at the point of the catch. I am the head of the Malik Washington fan club.
My POV: sustaining catch percentage on throws across the middle is exponentially more impressive than on downfield throws, even in the modern area.
And now he's on the Dolphins
@@maskedman5657 yes he is and that makes me sad because now I have to watch him ball out twice a year against my Patriots
Brett stays awake at night screaming at the void about Troy Franklin. Dude absolutely despises him
Adonai Mitchell is better than all those guys
@@123shoshanhis effort issues bother me
I'll never understand you Franklin truthers 😂
@@Zabougie I’m not very high on Franklin. I think he’s a late 2nd-early 3rd round prospect, solely a deep threat. But Brett seems to have something personal against him lol
@MarchOnRome I could just be projecting, but I think I sound like a big Franklin hater sometimes as well because I feel the need to push back against the very vehemently vocal section of fans who swear he should go in the 1st. Now at the end of the second or later, I agree, I'm taking a good hard look at dude and considering adding him to the squad as a good vertical wr prospect. Brett might need to clarify where he has him lol.
Rome gives af too. Which is KEY and very hard to evaluate. But RO seems to really understand what it will take to be a good professional.
brett talking about marv has given the greatest quotes of all time
I can’t wait! This episode two years ago is what introduced me to Khalil Shakir and got me so excited when Buffalo got him
You guys gotta collab with NFL Stock Exchange
Could’ve sworn they did
@@j.r.3945they did, they did a dueling mock draft
And they did!
Brett says “in fact” and then proceeds to say something subjective 😂
Now I’ll notice that forever, thx…
In fact, it was his opinion.
POV watching my pizza come out the oven 15:53
That isn't how POV works
FINALLY! Someone else who appreciates Ainias Smith.
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Gotta love a video on the most loaded part of the 24 Draft
Tackle next
Why can't I ever listen to this podcast without ending up taking copious notes!?! It's so fun learning something every video!
Keon was also injured for the second half of the season which definitely hurt his separation
That intro foam with the audio is just so satisfying.
The last 10 mins of the pod talking chargers scenarios. Just shows how entertaining this draft will be
Tyler Lockett is my favorite comp for Ladd I’ve seen so far. That’s really nice. And makes a lot more sense than the Cooper Kupp thing (a much bigger, more physical style of player). In terms of that fast, gliding slight-of-frame route runner with inside-outside versatility who can win downfield and underneath, that’s a really nice comp. I also agree that Tyler definitely has better hands.
I've also heard Antonio Brown and Demarius Thomas thrown out there. I'm a little concerned about his frailty; he was constantly banged up at UGA. Point is, I think I like the AB comp best, but swap out time missed for physical health (Ladd) for mental health (AB).
yepp lockette or even emmanuels sanders are nice comparisons. my favorite is diontae johnson
Odunze will have no problem, creating separation at the NFL level, as he continues to refine his route running. Barring injury and depending on who's throwing to him, he could easily wind up being the best receiver in this year's draft class.
Nightmare scenario: Give Mike McDaniel Xavier Worthy.
Dolphins are an olympic track team lol
Dolphins a breakdancers!!
More speed won't fix them.
@@josephpayton7522agreed, they need a "get a 1st down" guy
thank you for being dark mode friendly with the overlay editor man
So on the point about Keon Coleman's real game speed being shown in the gauntlet drill- A better measure might be using (unfortunately non-public) PFF Game Athleticism Score (GAS). Puka was a 99th percentile GAS guy in addition to the gauntlet drill performance meanwhile Coleman was a just a respectable 93rd percentile.
man, Bootleg bringing in heavy hitters this offseason
Love seeing two old coworkers come together. Much love Brett and the Harmonizer.
Worthy isnt in the 180's. He's 166 lbs
He'll definitely weigh more in the league than he did at the combine, he can gain 10-15lbs and still be the fastest guy on the field at all times
@felixlara2945 according tracking data from when everybody actually played, he isn't even the fastest wr in the draft. He got an amazing 10 yard split that made his great speed look like transcendent speed during the 40. But 40 times aren't everything.
@felixlara2945 not everybody weighs more. His size was a big concern coming in and he might have tried to bulk instead of cut for the combine.
@@jtdesverdad I'm simply stating a fact that they got wrong
They really should time them in the 40 in full football gear. Who cares what they run in their underwear.
Love the discussions. We need an all time board for WRs from Brett and EJ.
As a Buffalo fan, I'll have this one bookmarked for rewatch.
I'm kind of hoping for Adonai Mitchell at 28 the Legette in the second. I know some ppl are talking about us trading up but with the depth in this class I'm not sure if it's needed. Also in the second if we can get Jermaine Burton I would be stoked, he's underrated by many ppl. PPF has him higher than Legette, Koleman and Polk.
how we feelin about passing on both for Coleman?@@Forest0922
Report that Nabers was shopping for a home in LA yesterday.
Can’t watch this wasn’t released at 4 am on a Tuesday
Still the best intro in podcasting. Love this show!!! Waited for this episode.
1:14:28 - 1:15:35 Frank Reich, Thomas Brown, and Shawn Jefferson all need to be tried for coaching malpractice for how they treated Jonathan Mingo in 2023. Dave Canales and Brad Idzik have a ton of work to do, obviously, but if they can get him in his right role early on in 2024, it should be a harbinger of good things for the Carolina Panthers.
Thinking about it, I want to be selfish and have the Pats take Marvin Harrison Jr at 3, just so we can see Harrison vs Sauce twice a year
Thats not selfish thats just good football being played at the highest level.
Harrison clears Sauce in any situation
Y’all won’t see that matchup if you don’t have a qb to get the ball to Harrison
That is the same logic as Telesco helping Justin Herbert last year by drafting QJ as a project receiver.
This is exactly the kind of draft content I LOVE: pure, highly detailed player analysis. I’m much less interested in playing guessing games about what (insert random team’s GM here) thinks (insert another random team’s GM here) is gonna do at (insert random pick here). Tell me who these players ARE in the most granular terms you can muster.
NE Finna draft Ladd at 3 he is exactly their type 🤣🤣
I don’t get the people,and there are a significant number of them,that have Nabors ranked over him. If you’re watching tape it’s not even close MJH does everything at an elite level. His route running is superb. He has breakaway speed. He has the best body control I have ever seen. And has prototypical size. He has no flaws.
If the bears get Rome I may ascend to a higher plane
Good news :)
Here for the Rome Odunze opinions after the Bears drafted him... He's in a great position to fit into a lineup of receivers with other specialties that set up his ability to cook...
Could we get a draft meeds show with a 2 round mock draft of optimal picks that fill needed positions?
Outstanding list of guests again this year, fellas! 🙌🏼
Keon Coleman is severely under-rated..
How?
Breakdown: it’s stacked
..Back to Debbie with the weather
Always a great watch lads
Hello. Which 1 of this grouping shall I keep; Montgomery in 6th, Reed in 15th orr Ford in 17th? Already keeping Collins in 9th. It’s A 12 team FULL ppr league which starts 1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, FLEX (RB, WR), TE & DST with about 18-24 total keepers, only can keep 2. Thanks A bunch!
- Tony Tuddy
I hope Legette sees how much Brett goes to bat for him
I was waiting days for this! The WR GOAT Harmon 💪🏾
always a good day when i have another bootleg football podcast 🥰
Not only did Coleman have the best guantlet time he had top 3 times in apmost every route ran. He got injured early on at FSU.
Brett's expression at 15:53 just kills me 😂 Keep up the great work boys!
My thing on the big WR hate is that theres alot of bust at WR no matter the size but theres less of those big WRs so the bust stick in there head more. Also, i believe teams will be more creative and use big WRs in the slot more now than they use to.
Watch out if Odunze falls to the Bears. That would be such a fun team to watch
He wont
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He
Will
@@evanthompson4186womp womp
Lmao. @@evanthompson4186
Marvin Harrison Jr plus Justin Herbert equals Matthew Stafford and Calvin Johnson.
So despite all of their efforts they never end up winning anything? Ya that actually seems right
Cowing ended up nicely in San Fran. And McDaniels took both of the Washington boys. With Malik being the dark horse steal.
1:40:00 nailed the Chargers strategy
Xavier is only 165 lbs i think thats what scares me about him
The comp that's most dead on is clearly Xavier Legette to AJ Brown
Awful comp - Legette is terrible in and out of breaks and AJ Brown is elite.
@@EaglesXsandOshow about at the catch point
I like the Lockett-McConkey comp. I think Ridley is another one that works.
1. Harrison
2. Odunze
3. Nabbers
4. Franklin
5. A. Mitchel
The Troy Franklin hate is actually crazy at this point
He's just being overvalued by most people right now. In the third round? I'm all about Troy Franklin. But top 50? Crazy.
@@MikePSUagree
What category should he have won?
So because people value him as a 3rd rounder at only 170 lbs, it's hate?
@@Zabougie I mean if weight was his only issue he’d be a first rounder. Devonta Smith is plenty small but he’s awesome
Just getting into the Rome odunze talk. I view him as a better version of Mike Williams as a prospect.
Finally some Josh Cepheus love! Dude killed the competition over at UTSA. Zaire Franklin as well very under rated. Love anias smith too. Great hands and speed. Also like j’lynn polk who got overshadowed by odunze but he’s big physical fast who can catch 50/50 balls
He’s the worst WR against man coverage to ever declare for the draft
@@EaglesXsandOs which one?
Mitchell is a looser, more fluid athlete than Pickens. The lower body flex is ridiculous. Ree-dic-you-las. Unbelievable movement skills for his size. Which is why Brett’s Lamb comparison makes more sense.
Mitchell is not a loser. He's gonna do fine in the NFL. You'll see.
Plus you spelled it wrong.
@@josephpayton7522 🤣
Do me a favor and google the word “looser”
I didn’t make a spelling mistake, bro
@@joeynickles7962 came back with a picture of your mom. Wait. That was your sister. I can't tell them apart much these days.
@@josephpayton7522 you’re mad 😃
Ainias Smith was someone I recently heard about. When looking at some of his highlights it was instantly captivating. There is something different about this guy for sure. If the Chiefs could land him, I think they would use him the right way. Since Toney didn't work out and Rice is pretty limited on what he excels at. Ainias Smith is both those guys in one, but better. Oh, and if the injury prone Pachecho goes down he can take that over if needed.
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The best part of the episode is Matt's Sturgill Simpson album. The worst part is Brett still hasn't watched Jordan Whittington.
Niners fans! check out Ricky Pearsall starting at 11:45
AD Mitchell in KC would feed families
49:05 Worthy is 165 at the combine...
You love to see it🍻
I WILL be using this video to make fantasy draft decisions
I can't believe ya'll didn't choose this guy & his clone as the most perfect comp. Marv & AJ Green are spitting images down to the jersey number.
Taj on the high end could be a Josh Reynolds?
hard to trust Brett anymore after he said Quentin Johnston is "REALLY good" last year
😂 QJ just got demoted to wr4 on chargers. He barely has a starting job now lol
I think Zay Flowers would be 7 or 8 at best for me this year.
Devin McCourty admitted to Chris Simms that Julio was a guy that was getting doubled on every play no matter what.
As I Giants fan, I would do unspeakable things for MHJ at 6
I LOVE the Danny dimes slander (as a giants fan) but penix won’t be there in round 2 but would endorse MHJ and trade back up into 1st for penix. Honestly if MHJ isn’t there just take penix with 6 and go WR second round
*Keon Coleman is so fucking underrated.*
Disagree I think. I'm taking Legette over him.
@@PlaySAColeman will be a better pro than Leggette.
Game Speed >Track in shorts speed
Keon has a similar RAS score to Allen Robinson
Baker does feel like such a good bills fit.
It's amazing how many guys can't catch with their hands who dominate college football. If you don't catch with your hands, to me, you're a 3rd rounder at best. Wasnt hip on quinten Johnson in the first round last year to LAC. I liked him a lot, but if you're an outside receiver who body catches im not betting on you to learn how to. You'd figure that would be a glaring weakness you'd address quickly at the college ranks. I just don't believe in the idea of there being many guys who can get away without using the extension of their arms and still being able to be a consistent mover of the ball. Casual deep threat with speed? Okay, but them hands make so many more passes good passes to a player.
I just don’t see separation with rome
I agree
It's a skewed world where we can seriously be talking about JJ McCarthy going ahead of MHJ.
55:55 Ladd McConkey has a curved banana - Brett 😆
Buffalo about to draft 2 of these thoroughbreds 🐎🐎
Josh poo poo play like Doo Doo.
Those are horses not buffalo. More likely they'll go to the Broncos, Colts, or Cowboys.
@@josephpayton7522 do you know what thoroughbreds are? Gluck in life Joe
Josh is actually the top rated QB on PFF this past year, that includes running and passing. In passing he is second only to Tua so idk what ur talking about. He had 3 more picks than Mahomes but also scored 18 rushing TDS.
Worthy is not 185 lbs lmao. Who is this guy
You said N'keal Harry was best WR in 2019 draft!
bro johny fuckng knox omg thank you for reminding me of him what a legendary what if career
Word on the street has McConkey and the Bills being enamored with each other. I would love for Kollmann to be right and see the Panthers get him at 33.
thankfully the Nabers I see as well.....Rome for me for Chargers need an X
Didn't AD Mitchell have the best catch rate over the last 2 years?
After watching the Pat's trade down and lose Ladd for Polk, I had to come back to hear about Polk. No Polk convo here😢
Yo brett thats a sick shirt
If marv falls to 5 and Harbaugh is serious about tackle the colts will trade whatever the chargers want for the pick.
I really hate listening to after the bills drafted Keon Coleman. It just sounds like their gonna play him at X and he will fail there. It's just a wrong assessment of his talent and their setting him up for failure.
I really hate how the bills evaluated talent thinking they can take 3 rounds picks and treat them Like they can compete with the chiefs they just can't if your picking like this. You are setting your team up for failure
1:37:45 wait, if both Harrison and a 4th QB are available at 5 then who the hell are the Cardinals taking?
If that's the mock draft I saw on Athletic, they traded back with the Vikings and picked Brian Thomas at 11 iirc
@@Sniperkitten971 but in this scenario there would be 4 QBs gone with the first 4 picks so no team would trade up to #5 to get a QB.
I thought the scenario was that the Chargers passed on MHJ for the top OT.
Do you have a goal where you want your business to be in like the next 3 months or by the end of the summer?
Future me, do they talk about Jacob Cowing?
I think Bengals take Troy Franklin in the late 2nd round to replace Tee Higgins.
lol Penix in round 2. that did not age well😂
I hope Johnny Wilson got some love in here cause I just don’t understand beyond drops . He moves like Mike Pittman and Mike Evans and those profiles don’t miss as often as prototype x or slot guys .. flankers and mix x /slot guys have the highest miss rate on projecting them
He doesn’t move like Pitt or Evans