How to correct potassium as per pH i.e. in acidosis and alkalosis in ICU; explained by Dr. P.K.Jain

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  • @vijayalakshmicmsunderaj595
    @vijayalakshmicmsunderaj595 Год назад +21

    Pearls like this are priceless. It drums it into your head. A Red flag is raised before you act. The years of immersion in the field. Thank you.

  • @drnaseemuddinkalhoro3542
    @drnaseemuddinkalhoro3542 9 месяцев назад +1

    This is best one. Currently I am working in ICU in KSA. Your channel is a great help for me. Thank you so much sir

  • @chandrakantchandak
    @chandrakantchandak Год назад +6

    We are all privileged to be bestowed with these extremely helpful lessons sir. They are of immense value.. please do continue them. Thank you!❤

  • @Archer396
    @Archer396 Год назад +2

    I panicked when a pt was in hyperkalemia post blood transfusion, my consultant had my back since I was new in ICU! Thank God 🙏

    • @chairman-ccef7876
      @chairman-ccef7876 Год назад

      It is a frightening situation as the hyperkalemia is real and due to RBC breakdown releasing the large intracellular potassium.

    • @Archer396
      @Archer396 Год назад

      @@chairman-ccef7876 yes yes

  • @drMahroshFalak
    @drMahroshFalak Год назад +6

    Awesome Sir ❤🇵🇰
    Life savings tips with examples are best of all so far. I would like to suggest you to continue such shorts 5 to 10 min clips of common critical cases encountered in ICU are mistakes that must be highlighted in managing them.

  • @lavanyasivakumar3787
    @lavanyasivakumar3787 Месяц назад

    Thank you so much for sharing knowledge

  • @mukundrajta2576
    @mukundrajta2576 Год назад +2

    We need more videos and learning like this sir ..... looking forward
    Thank you sir

  • @sultanzaffar1017
    @sultanzaffar1017 5 месяцев назад +1

    Great I really enjoyed your short lecture

  • @fatimakadi8887
    @fatimakadi8887 7 дней назад

    Thank you sir !!!

  • @haha..551
    @haha..551 Год назад +1

    Excellent information 👍

  • @meeradewangan5862
    @meeradewangan5862 Год назад +1

    Thankyou sir 🙏 I am nurse this information is give us lot of knowledge 🙏 sir pls also include videos in mix Hindi language, for precise and clear understanding

  • @asmashoaib5964
    @asmashoaib5964 Месяц назад

    Thank you for such beneficial information

  • @hishighnessab5540
    @hishighnessab5540 11 месяцев назад

    Looking forward for more from you sir. It was very precise and very informative.

  • @faizdr1723
    @faizdr1723 8 месяцев назад

    Well done sir
    May Allah grant you long healthy life

  • @hemantingole4033
    @hemantingole4033 Год назад +1

    Thank you sir

  • @PratyushChaudhuri
    @PratyushChaudhuri 4 месяца назад

    Thank you

  • @saminkazi4999
    @saminkazi4999 Год назад +1

    Wonderful explanation

  • @chamariliyanage9626
    @chamariliyanage9626 Год назад +1

    It really worth,Thank you so much sir.

  • @RaviKumar-ml8ob
    @RaviKumar-ml8ob 5 месяцев назад

    Thank you so much sir, excellent sir

  • @tusharchopawar8255
    @tusharchopawar8255 Год назад

    Such a minute details but so crucial, very commonly ignored Thank u so much👍👍👍

  • @swaroopak8368
    @swaroopak8368 4 месяца назад

    Very useful sir. Thank you so much for giving us such pearls

  • @abhijitchatterjee7408
    @abhijitchatterjee7408 Год назад +1

    ❤️ bows to you.

  • @widaltyph491
    @widaltyph491 Год назад +2

    Thank you Sir! Kindly make a snippet of IV magnesium correction. Thank you!

  • @jadenbverghese8664
    @jadenbverghese8664 Год назад

    Brilliant ! Thank you Dr Jain it was helpful.

  • @rachanagupta6628
    @rachanagupta6628 Год назад

    Excellent information sir Thanks

  • @sanjoyghosh2183
    @sanjoyghosh2183 Год назад +1

    Priceless piece of information Sir

  • @tradingchannell
    @tradingchannell Год назад

    Amazing once again❤.
    Though there alot of blunders is happening when we look around in our area's (in ICU).
    it's shame when u do something to a patient without having a knowledge about it,
    I wish to tagg my colleagues those who do arguments on something which they don't know, even though I have recommended this channel to them but they don't have time for it to learn and accept what is right.
    To be honest i learned alot from this channel andhv been watching since beginning,

  • @Dr.Amritkumaryadav
    @Dr.Amritkumaryadav Год назад +1

    Very valuable information indeed

  • @allahhuakbar7362
    @allahhuakbar7362 7 месяцев назад

    Extremely crucial😊

  • @LoijingandVsay
    @LoijingandVsay Год назад

    Thank you so much Sir🙏 please continue enlightening us with such priceless pearls

  • @shilpadesai9962
    @shilpadesai9962 Год назад

    Thanks a lot sir
    Thanks for the wonderful teaching

  • @psthankaraj3887
    @psthankaraj3887 Год назад

    Excellent

  • @shubhamtripathi405
    @shubhamtripathi405 6 месяцев назад

    So good sir ....thank you so much ....

  • @nishantdeshpande6666
    @nishantdeshpande6666 Год назад

    Thank you for valuable information sir.

  • @nandan0000s
    @nandan0000s Год назад

    Mind blowing concept......
    Thank you for your innovative steps
    We are with you 🙏🏼

  • @mahanteshvarute359
    @mahanteshvarute359 8 месяцев назад

    Useful lesson

  • @Bunicutaintelectuala
    @Bunicutaintelectuala 11 месяцев назад

    Thank you for the knowledge!

  • @DrPrabhuSingh
    @DrPrabhuSingh Год назад

    🎉 thanks Team, esteemed sir❤

  • @KarthikArjun991991
    @KarthikArjun991991 Год назад

    Thank you Sir🙏

  • @mohitaggarwal4731
    @mohitaggarwal4731 Год назад

    Thanks sir

  • @moulisankar7244
    @moulisankar7244 Год назад

    Thank you so much sir 🙏

  • @AumJi13
    @AumJi13 Год назад +4

    How long after correcting for pH, with either Bicarbonate infusion (for acidosis) or fluids (for alkalosis), should we check/re-check the potassium levels?
    Is it 30mins, 1hr, 2hr... etc... after starting bicarb or fluids? Or more? What is the guideline for this step?

    • @chairman-ccef7876
      @chairman-ccef7876 Год назад +4

      Excellent question. Transcellular movement occurs in minutes so an hour should be good

    • @AumJi13
      @AumJi13 Год назад

      @@chairman-ccef7876thank you so much Sir! Much appreciated!

  • @rajibhowlader2899
    @rajibhowlader2899 Год назад

    Today's Learning.. ❤❤❤

  • @Archer396
    @Archer396 Год назад

    Really extra edge! Thanks to the team🎉

  • @MegaPyrrhus
    @MegaPyrrhus Год назад +2

    Hi Sir, I am a critical care fellow from Pakistan. This pearl is very fascinating and new to me. I didn't find this thing even in Parillo (textbook of CCM) and Washington Manual. Can you please provide the reference of an article or book on this? Your youtube channel has always been helpful to me. Thank you.

    • @TheICUChannel
      @TheICUChannel  Год назад +3

      It’s mentioned in almost every standard textbook . But for sake of reference, quoting uptodate link , www.uptodate.com/contents/potassium-balance-in-acid-base-disorders

    • @MegaPyrrhus
      @MegaPyrrhus Год назад

      Thank you, Sir.

  • @umeshnagpal1332
    @umeshnagpal1332 Год назад +1

    Nice video sir , very knowledgeable. Please sir make a video on hypo/ hypernatremia

  • @Ignatius7778
    @Ignatius7778 Год назад

    Brilliant 👏 👏. ECG also plays an important role in potassium management

    • @chairman-ccef7876
      @chairman-ccef7876 Год назад

      Yes it does. 😊. But the importance is over emphasised in books.

    • @TheICUChannel
      @TheICUChannel  Год назад +1

      yes ECG is important , because if ECG changes are coming, means its alarming and you need to act on it.

    • @chairman-ccef7876
      @chairman-ccef7876 Год назад +1

      In my opinion, ECG changes only imply acute K elevation. Nothing more. So serious life threatening hyperkalemia (say in chronic Renal Disease, where the rise is gradual) may occur with NO ECG changes. So if No ECG changes, you have time to correct and I would consider say dialysis. When ECG changes are there, hyperkalemia is acute and medical management becomes an emergency.

  • @chineduekwueme1837
    @chineduekwueme1837 Год назад

    Lovely video. Thanks

  • @ZahidHussain-ht4tw
    @ZahidHussain-ht4tw Год назад

    Thank you so much sir 👍👍👍

  • @dr.shivarajvuppin2798
    @dr.shivarajvuppin2798 Год назад +1

    Thanks for the precious information sir, it would be much more helpful if u share the relevant litrature or links , so tat we can read more about it and can discus in hospitals with seniors

    • @chairman-ccef7876
      @chairman-ccef7876 Год назад +3

      True. Will keep that in mind. Problem is that there is no single source. Its the amalgamation of 35 years of prolific reading and bedside experience.

  • @mikuprateek3886
    @mikuprateek3886 Год назад

    Very nice concept sir..

    • @TheICUChannel
      @TheICUChannel  Год назад

      Thank u. And yeah, it’s very important

  • @kamal7835
    @kamal7835 Год назад

    Thanks a lot sir❤

  • @adityamaindarge908
    @adityamaindarge908 10 месяцев назад

    Woww

  • @anupamhalder475
    @anupamhalder475 Год назад

    Beautiful

  • @pradeepjoshi969
    @pradeepjoshi969 Год назад

    Sir,would like to have many more such short videos. please give links for the same

  • @directajith
    @directajith 19 дней назад

    both acidosis and alkalosis can ultimately lead to potassium loss, but the mechanisms and serum potassium levels during these conditions differ. Here's a clear breakdown:
    1. In Acidosis:
    Serum Potassium: Tends to increase initially (hyperkalemia).
    Hydrogen ions (H⁺) move into cells to buffer excess acidity, and potassium (K⁺) shifts out of cells into the bloodstream.
    Potassium Loss: Despite the apparent hyperkalemia, total body potassium is depleted due to:
    Renal potassium losses (e.g., osmotic diuresis in diabetic ketoacidosis, tubular damage).
    Gastrointestinal losses (e.g., diarrhea in lactic acidosis).
    End result: Once the acidosis is corrected (e.g., with insulin in DKA), serum potassium can drop significantly, revealing a hypokalemic state.
    2. In Alkalosis:
    Serum Potassium: Tends to decrease (hypokalemia).
    Hydrogen ions move out of cells into the blood, and potassium shifts into cells to maintain electrochemical balance.
    Potassium Loss: Alkalosis promotes renal potassium excretion:
    Increased distal tubular negativity enhances potassium secretion.
    Aldosterone activity is stimulated, further increasing potassium loss.
    End result: The combination of intracellular potassium shifts and renal losses leads to hypokalemia.
    Why Potassium Loss Occurs in Both:
    In acidosis, total body potassium is lost even if serum potassium appears elevated.
    In alkalosis, potassium is lost due to cellular shifts and enhanced excretion.
    Key takeaway: Regardless of the acid-base disturbance, close monitoring of potassium levels is essential, as both conditions can lead to significant total body potassium depletion and complications if untreated.

  • @directajith
    @directajith 19 дней назад

    Metabolic acidosis typically does not directly lead to hypokalemia but can result in apparent hyperkalemia initially due to potassium shifts. However, total body potassium is often depleted, which can lead to hypokalemia under certain circumstances. Here’s a breakdown:
    What Happens in Metabolic Acidosis:
    Potassium Shift to Extracellular Space:
    In acidosis, hydrogen ions (H⁺) enter cells to buffer the acid. To maintain electrical neutrality, potassium (K⁺) leaves the cells, increasing serum potassium levels (apparent hyperkalemia).
    Potassium Loss:
    The body loses potassium through urine or the gastrointestinal tract due to the underlying causes of acidosis, such as:
    Renal tubular acidosis: Potassium loss in urine.
    Diabetic ketoacidosis (DKA): Osmotic diuresis leads to significant potassium loss.
    Effect of Treatment:
    When acidosis is corrected (e.g., insulin therapy in DKA or bicarbonate administration), potassium shifts back into cells, potentially revealing or exacerbating hypokalemia if total body potassium is already depleted.
    Situations Leading to Hypokalemia in Metabolic Acidosis:
    Renal loss of potassium (e.g., in renal tubular acidosis, DKA).
    Diarrhea or gastrointestinal losses.
    Correction of acidosis without adequate potassium supplementation.
    Conclusion:
    While metabolic acidosis may initially cause hyperkalemia, the total body potassium is often depleted, and hypokalemia can develop, especially during treatment or in prolonged conditions. Monitoring and potassium supplementation are crucial in managing these patients.

  • @arslanali1432
    @arslanali1432 Год назад +1

    Thanks for the video.Really learnt something important Can you kindly tell from where to study these facts.. Any book, article, guidelines
    Thanks

    • @chairman-ccef7876
      @chairman-ccef7876 Год назад

      Not many books that give such pearls though information drowned in a lot of other information. This site is an excellent source. 😊😊😊

  • @THEANESTHESIST
    @THEANESTHESIST Год назад +1

    What is low anion gap metabolic acidosis(LAGMA)? is there any term like this in the books?

  • @annmariesossong4245
    @annmariesossong4245 11 месяцев назад

    I have never heard this! Where can I read about it more? Do you have a link? Thank you so much for this.

  • @kushagarjuneja3300
    @kushagarjuneja3300 Год назад

    Such a crucial detail must say!
    Dr., just want to ask that we take the corrected K+ into account only for the ICU/ critical patients or for any such as non- critical inpatients and outpatients l? (Perhaps a very stupid question)

    • @chairman-ccef7876
      @chairman-ccef7876 Год назад

      Will apply to anyone, but pH abnormalities more common when a person is critically ill

  • @anandtiwari52
    @anandtiwari52 7 месяцев назад +1

    Extremely low tolerance for error......a whole book in one sentence......

  • @bardaasht007
    @bardaasht007 Год назад

    Good evening sir
    Greetings from pune
    Really very educational video and an eye opener,
    Can the same principle be applied In case of DKA with T2DM with CKD stage 4-5, with metabolic acidosis , where deranged RFT, hyperkalaemia is very common occurrence. Keen to know the management of such cases

  • @saumyajitbhaduri1083
    @saumyajitbhaduri1083 Год назад

    ❤❤❤

  • @viswanathselvam2986
    @viswanathselvam2986 Год назад +2

    Sir, isn't it the hyperkalemia in acidosis cause arrhythmias? Aren't we be worried about this when the K+ is 6.2meq/l?

    • @LearningCriticalCarewithCCEF
      @LearningCriticalCarewithCCEF Год назад +1

      The Hyperkalemia in DKA is just a transcellelar shift that gets rapidly corrected once DKA treatment is started. In the example I gave, the corrected S.K was actually low. So its risky to try and reduce serum K when it is infact low. Does that clarify your doubt?

  • @ranjithkumar-rm8zw
    @ranjithkumar-rm8zw Год назад

    This applies for only metabolic acid base disorders or also for respiray sir???

  • @nikhilsss
    @nikhilsss Год назад

    The uptodate article which was quoted mentions the correction is originally based on one study with less than 10 patients with a broad range and this number taken was the mean of that range.
    Even if that be, the change in pH, for example acidosis, would cause extracellular shift of potassium, rising serum potassium levels.
    So we are never really worried about the ' intracellular potassium'. The K+ outside (extracellular) is the one causing problems, which we correct routinely.
    So if potassium is 7 and corrected is 5, wouldn't that give a false sense of security?
    Or am I missing something entirely?

  • @mohamedabdali6598
    @mohamedabdali6598 20 часов назад

    It's just shifting from intra to extr cellular, the number in the serum are still true and the side effects of hyper/hypo kalemia are there? You need to treat both ways

  • @nikhiltrivedi1436
    @nikhiltrivedi1436 Год назад

    One doubt
    In DKA when we plan to start Insulin Infusion we see the potassium before it so that potassium is the one that comes in ABG or the corrected one!

  • @ahmadgumman3390
    @ahmadgumman3390 Год назад

    How come uptodate tells us to correct the hyperKalemia with insulin😢😢😢I am confused kindly elaborate

  • @jnanamaninanaiah742
    @jnanamaninanaiah742 Год назад

    🙏💐

  • @drbhushan146
    @drbhushan146 Год назад +1

    🙏🤝

  • @poojanaresh4578
    @poojanaresh4578 9 месяцев назад

    Sir, then if pt is posted for surgery and no time to correct alkalosis and hypokalemia, can we go ahead without fearing arrythmias??

    • @TheICUChannel
      @TheICUChannel  9 месяцев назад

      In emergency u have to do your best with ongoing corrections … in elective cases , u need to optimise as much as u can .

  • @srikrishnareddy879
    @srikrishnareddy879 Год назад

    🙏

  • @EDCRITICALCARE
    @EDCRITICALCARE Год назад +1

    Considering same example if serum potassium is 8.5 n pH is 6.9, shouldn't we correct potassium level? Corrected potassium will be 5.

    • @chairman-ccef7876
      @chairman-ccef7876 Год назад

      Definitely should be corrected. You answered the question yourself. The corrected K is high now. Justifies cautious correction.

    • @drsunilkumarkedia
      @drsunilkumarkedia Год назад

      Sir 0.1 pH down will increase potassium by 0.7 . Am I right

    • @drsunilkumarkedia
      @drsunilkumarkedia Год назад

      Then in example it will be 0.5*0.7=0.35

    • @chairman-ccef7876
      @chairman-ccef7876 Год назад +1

      @cuteboy3dbax6year9 you are making a mistake. Your statement is right. Drop in pH by 0.1 increases the k by 0.7 mEw/L. Here it is 5 times 0.1, so increase of K will be 5 x 0.7 = 3.5 mEw/L.

    • @chairman-ccef7876
      @chairman-ccef7876 Год назад

      Typo error. Please read mEq/L

  • @KashifKxhan
    @KashifKxhan 5 месяцев назад

    Can someone explain in detail how to correct pottasium with PH ?

  • @ahmadgumman3390
    @ahmadgumman3390 Год назад

    Kindly share reference please

  • @funnyfun6482
    @funnyfun6482 Год назад

    Pakka

  • @dryashd
    @dryashd 2 месяца назад

    It should be 0.5 x 0.7 and not 5 x 0.7

  • @chandrashekharrawat1870
    @chandrashekharrawat1870 Год назад

    कृतज्ञ हुआ

  • @GauravKumar-st1cd
    @GauravKumar-st1cd Год назад +1

    Books cannot beat experience

  • @moiznauman5121
    @moiznauman5121 Год назад

    thank u Sir

  • @amna.ejaz10
    @amna.ejaz10 Год назад

    Thank you so much sir

  • @shubhamsingh-xk4br
    @shubhamsingh-xk4br 9 месяцев назад

    Thank you so much sir