Two things to apprecate here: #1: His father reached out to him in the first place, and not the other way around. His father extended an olive branch. It was his father who took the time to track him down and try to get back in touch. #2: Unlike him, his father dropped whatever he might've been doing, and came out all that way to see him the very day he had a chance to talk to his son once again, even though it sounded like his son suggested tomorrow, when if the roles were reversed his son, in all actuality, would've probably never have gone to such effort. To try to present as balanced an argument as I possibly can to both sidesof the situation, I would say that both men have some growing to do so they can reconnect.
'The man who cannot forgive burns the bridge over which he too must cross because we all are in need of forgiveness'. I saw that on a grave in Trentham, Australia. Underneath was written, 'Forgiven'.
Same thing I was thinking. There are a lot of high hopes and rejection in the acting business. Both actors had to have been very happy to be awarded these two roles; only for their work to end up on the cutting room floor. That right there is worse than being rejected for a role. But, I can see why they elected to cut these scenes from the film. This was probably an attempt to reduce time from the final cut. They accomplished the same thing with a one minute telephone call between Blake and his son. This was a very uncomfortable scene to witness. His son was basically dishonest with Blake and saw an opportunity to get even. The son played a bait and switch on him. Got Blake to come out with some expectation of a possible reconciliation knowing full well that he would take this opportunity to tell Blake he despised him and that there was no possibility of forgiveness, ever. Jeff Bridges is the best of the best. I was concerned about whether he would get to remission. Very happy to hear that he is in remission. Looking forward to future roles and movies that he will make. If he is in it, I will buy a ticket and go see it.
When I was 33 I met my dad ,and I never held a grudge against him I was very forgiving of him .what we need to understand is you need to work on the present not the past . Keep our parents close because u may never know when we will ever see them again.. I lost my dad 2 yrs ago & I miss him everyday
Forgiveness is right, but it can be very difficult. At the very least, it can be a long and difficult road to travel upon. I can only hope that those who choose to not forgive, can live with the consequences of their decisions. Because, a day might come when they are ready to forgive, but they might come to find out that the situation is just a bit too late to reconcile. After years of being estranged, my father reached out to me for forgiveness. Without a second thought, I immediately forgave him. That decision allowed us to have 10 close years before he passed away. It was one of the best decisions that I have ever made in my life. In a twist of irony, today, I have a son and daughter, children of divorce, who for some reason that I still don't know, have chosen to hate me. And, in another equally strange twist of irony, it is me who is now sick and with limited time left. Can you imagine that? Well, it's like I said, I hope my children can live with their decisions because I don't think they are going to end up being as lucky as I was with my father. And yes, it pains me very much to acknowledge that. It's like life is this crazy spinning wheel that we simply have no control over.
When he asked for “something stronger” it says it all. He hasn’t reached bottom yet. They know it. This scene is paramount to telling an alcoholic’s story - the selfishness, the regret, the pain, the heart ache. 💔
I knew it was going to go south when he asked for a stronger than beer drink; Bad’s an alcoholic and it’s his main focus in life, hence why we lost everything. Once he sobered up, he began to see the error of his ways. Before then he was angry at Tommy for not making him a big name again by doing a duet album. It was all about what Bad wanted and to be on top. Just look how he behaved when Tommy offered him a chance to write songs and make money again, but that wasn’t good enough for Bad; he wanted fame, to fill the void of the hurt he caused himself and others. This scene wasn’t needed but it would’ve shown how truly a self absorbed person Bad really was. He just being there wasn’t a gift like he thought, no one owed him anything; and Bad acted as if his son should bow down to him because he showed up. The son was right and Bad was way in the wrong to not even attempt to apologize for mens his past discrepancies and behaviors.
That's what happens with selfish/self-centered people. All they care about is themselves and they want, and when they do something for somebody, they oftentimes do it with the idea of getting something in return, and because eventually everyone gets sick of their crap, one day they wind up all alone, with nobody to blame but themselves.
It’s better deleted cause at the point in the movie where he reached out to his son, it was early in his recovery and too soon for any kind of reconciliation. What I’m getting from the comments here is we’re all invested in the people in this story and care about them.
I lost touch with my dad when i was 8. I finally looked him up forty years later and got to hang out with him twice once in texas where im from and once in Virginia where he lived. He was 80 years old. Although it was very awkward im glad i did it, i some closure and went from am only child to having four sisters.
My dad abondoned me when i was about 4. I found him when i was around 18 and then pretty much abandoned him, even though i really tried. Never hated him, just wonderd as a father myself of 3 girls and one adopted how he could ever just leave. I just happened to run into him by coisedants on the street one day, approximately 15 years later. He asked me for some change and i pulled out all the money I had, about 45$, and gave it to him. He said thank you sir, and respectfully asked me what my name was... i was between rage and shock. I told him my name, we spoke and he asked "How can i find you again"? I said you wont. I told him i would find him, knowing i never wanted to see him again. I found out he was murdered in the middle of a lunch shift at work last year. I"ll always wonder if i stayed away out of contempt, or hurtfullness. Now ill never know.
Interesting scene. Glad it didn't make the final cut. My biological father passed this week. Never met him as an adult. He was an addict, unfortunately, and chose his addiction over me 30+ years ago when he walked out of my life. We both remained in the same state and I kept some tabs on him. Waited for him to eventually clean up his act and come shake my hand. He never did. I was raised by my beautiful mother and one hell of a stepfather. I wish my father's family a quick grieving process; maybe we'll meet up again in the next realm. Maybe not.
Sometimes being a father means protecting your loved ones by not involving them in your drama, I'm sure bad. Didn't want his son seeing what his life devolved into
I reconnected with my father at age 21. It was slightly bumpy at first, but now at 35 we have a very good relationship. Time does heal for some, not for others. I don't hold grudges in general - but there is always that sense of a wasted opportunity - especially given how well we get on. Still you can't change the past can you. Not sure how I feel about this scene - his wife is very passive but she was the one who convinced the son to call - I would have seen her as making more effort to be a peacemaker.
I am happy that this scene was deleted from the film. As nice as it is for a father and son to connect, even if it still falls apart in the end, the scene that made it into the film is a bit more real than this scene. In reality, I don't think that Bad's son would have even let him come out to his house. And, as heartbreaking as it was for Bad's son to hang up on him and not want to connect with his father, it spoke volumes to who Bad actually was, and how he hurt people throughout his days. And, it shows that forgiveness might be right, but it is still extremely difficult.
Sometimes forgiveness isn't possible. When it comes to forgiveness, it aint just up to you and what you do, the offended party has to be willing to give you that chance. That's why if you are given a chance at redemption, and if the the person in whose eyes you're trying to redeem yourself in, or you hope will redeem you, take advantage of the opportunity. Don't make excuses for your past behavior, should it come up, but own it, no matter how painful and offensive to your ego it might be, and show humility by doing what is needed to earn forgiveness.
@thecowboy9698 You're absolutely right. In fact, I believe that forgiveness is not possible more times than it actually is possible. Some lines, when crossed, cannot be uncrossed. I've had this happen within my own family. My two brothers and sister all know that I will never forgive them for what they've done. It's been at least 10 years since I've spoken to any of them. And, I have truly made my peace with my decision. I've removed them from my will, and when I die, they won't even receive a death notice, which is something that I've prearranged. I don't need hypocrites mourning for me.
@@RumbleFish69- I'm sorry you have to go through that. But then I understand as I have people in my life that I'd prefer to have as little to do with as possible.
@thecowboy9698 Thank you for saying so. It's ironic how most times family is the first to come for your money, but the last to come to your aid. It appears you have similar woes. I'm sorry for that. Sometimes, it's for the best.
I agree. It's a great scene and definitely added some backstory, but at the time I'm glad it was removed. Maybe the vibe could've been stronger when filming the scene.
One thing I've seen in alcoholics and drug addicts, they can't take ownership of their mistakes. Maybe what this man really wanted was for his father to fess up to being self-absorbed and irresponsible? I've seen this happen in my family, people try to reconcile with long-lost relatives and it doesn't go well.
I have an alcoholic in my family, and what you said is very true - that they are self-absorbed and unable to take ownership of all the terrible descisions that have lead them to where they're at - but then that is how it goes with people who are self absorbed, regardless if they have an addiction or not. Being self-absorbed is like having your hand up in front of your face, and then wondering why you're not able to see what is in front of you. People who are self-absorbed really have no real self-awareness, they do not realize how they come off to others, and oftentimes do not really care. No, they may not intentionally mean to hurt others, and they might even feel remorse when they realize they have done so, but when it comes down to the feelings of others and their pursuit of their own selfish desires, they choose the latter each and every time, even if it does hurt others, so the remorse they feel is not truly genuine, otherwise they would make changes. True remorse is coupled with sincere apology and repentance for wrongful behavior.
Fine, nuanced scene that would have added dimension - and likely left many wondering who those actors were and why they couldn't have been more prominently featured - especially the son
You have to let it go. I was lucky enough to have both parents and still do and I also was lucky enough to be a stepdad to a very sweet little boy that was my girlfriend's son (and he also had his biological dad in his life too). Life isn't perfect, or black or white, and you can focus on the good stuff.
Don't think this scene should have been deleted. Look at the comments above; it touched them for all the right reasons, and it's important in the Bad Blake chronology.
Respectfully, are you a father with estranged children? Unfortunately, I am. So, believe me when I say that this deleted scene, no matter how bitterly it ends, is something that would never happen in real life. The scene in the film, the one they kept, that is reality at its finest. Any child, especially a son, who resents their father, would never allow him in the same city, much less inside his home. The scene in the film, having the phone hung up on him, that was pure reality. ...Believe me, I unfortunately know.
@@RumbleFish69"never." ? Humanity is complicated, even if only 01% of estranged fathers are able to get the forgiveness of their kids, that isn't never. That would amount to millions of people over the course of the history of humanity. Movies usually show a typical behavior anyways. Most people don't become country stars. Most disgraced country stars don't get their lives back together. And so on and so forth... All that said, I'm sure you're right that these kind of reunions are unusual. Maybe more realistically they would happen at a wedding or a family reunion or a funeral of a mutual friend or something or a mutual family member...
@@michaelcorcoran8768 Thank you for the input. Okay, I concede that, "Never" is probably a bit of stretch. However, I can promise you, my friend, that it is way closer to never than not. The thing that this film also doesn't show you is what happens a great majority of the time to the children of parents who have divorced... What they don't show is how mother's badmouth fathers so badly that recovery is just about impossible. And, even if a father can recover some kind of relationship, it usually falls apart later because the child cannot fully let go of the things he/she were raised to believe; this also happened to me. The son of a broken marriage will live his life only knowing what he's been told his entire life. See, it's hard for a child to shake a lie that a person they trust has told them as true. If mom says you're this horrible thing then it must be true because mom cares, and she would never lie to her baby! It's a huge problem! My ex wanted to erase me from all existence; as if I never happened. She pretty much told me that to my face. She said that she wanted to raise my children with her new husband as if he was always the father, but that I still needed to pay child support. By the time I was done, I paid nearly 2 million dollars in child support for all those years. All that money, but I was squeezed out! This problem is so real and has caused so much real concern for many fathers, not just for me, that it has now become illegal for mother's to do this. There is even a term for it now called, "Parental alienation." It is also referred to as "Malicious parent syndrome." Parental alienation is why hanging up on a father is closer to reality than a son allowing his estranged father to visit his home. I know this because I would certainly never make to the inside any of my boy's homes. And, if I reached out, I'd be hung up on. I have made my peace with this situation. My children are all grown up and several even have children of their own. I don't see my grandchildren and I have no relationship with any of them. And, I definitely won't see them at any event and I doubt that any of them would even come to my funeral. And, while I struggled and was in pain over all of it for many years, today, I am okay. I am sad, sometimes, but mostly I am okay. I've simply come to realize that just like Bad's son, my sons are adults. They can choose to talk it out, forgive, or continue to carry a grudge. They have the ability to make their own, grown-up choices. And, if they can choose to live peacefully with the decisions they've made, then I also have to as well. Sorry for the rant, but this issue is close to me and it feels rather personal.
Was in a similar situation ,Dad was busy working grew distant he had a breakdown never really recovered. He felt useless as he lost his job had no money never really saw him again!He was sad case didn't get cards presents from him ended up on the street . Was ok then lost the plot just a bum now begging ,was a strong person but let a women destroy him and our relationship 😢
I'm sorry, man. I know it's hard. 10 years before my pop passed away, he came to me for forgiveness, and I forgave him immediately. It gave us 10 great years before he died. Sadly, it doesn't work out that way for everyone. And now, in a twist of irony, it's me with estranged relationships that I have tried to fix. In my case, I really don't know what I did...Children of divorce with a mother who did everything to make me look horrible. That's how things work sometimes. It's all very sad because I am sick and I don't know how long I have left. I know that I won't make it 65, which is only 6-years off. I always say, forgive today, because you might not be able to forgive tomorrow. Sadly, my children might find that out the hard way.
Sometimes you have to be the bigger man and Otis' son was acting like a baby. He had a great life, wife, kids, and a mom who raised and loved him. Otis is the one who missed out on all that, so that is his punishment. His son needs to get over it.
@@katgirlbluedialog needs to do one of two things. Advance the plot or show character. I don't think the scene is wasted time because it helps us further understand the depth of the pain he caused.... The sadness of not being able to fix it. I mean technically speaking him going fishing and talking about this phone call with Robert Duvall doesn't really advance the plot either but I'm glad it's there.
@@michaelcorcoran8768 it does advance the plot though because it shows him depending on Duvall and getting cleaned up, even temporarily, so we see that he's capable of it.
I never saw this before! I think this scene is very well acted, but I think the movie is better without it. It's better left to our imagination what the son is like, and also that conversation they have on the phone is heartbreaking: I want to talk - "Imagine that." Click!
Na, the son was right. I've been there. What kind of piece of crap has a child and never contacts them? Mine couldn't even tell me my birthday. He's dead now. That's fine by me.
Bad acting .. overacting. I can definitely see why they left it out. That guy just wasn't working with the atmosphere. I'm sure it's hard to work with a near perfect actor like Jeff Bridges in the room though. Very intimidating and if you're not on your A-game he'll make you look awkward and just not in sync like this guy. He didn't do it on purpose.. he's just so damn good then it makes other people who aren't at their top, feel like they're crawling on the ground. I'll give him credit for trying. But it was a Monumental call for the editors to leave this out! Robert Duvall produce this, so did T-Bone Burnett , Jeff Bridges and a bunch of other amazing top talent. Anyone who's seen this film can attest to its gripping hold on your attention through the whole movie. The editing was Superior and that's 90% of the reason. One of my favorite movies of all time bar none! It also won best motion picture, best actor and best song. I'm extremely glad they left the scene out.
I don't like how they made the son into a victim. Obviously they're both aware of the life they missed together, but he invited him here NOW to move on. To enjoy some form of life they still have left before it's over.
@@flightofthebumblebee9529The son is a victim by any metric. He's a victim of decades of neglect by his father. He thought maybe he could keep it together when his estranged father showed up and then he couldn't because the pain was too much. Hard for me to blame him.
Two things to apprecate here:
#1: His father reached out to him in the first place, and not the other way around. His father extended an olive branch. It was his father who took the time to track him down and try to get back in touch.
#2: Unlike him, his father dropped whatever he might've been doing, and came out all that way to see him the very day he had a chance to talk to his son once again, even though it sounded like his son suggested tomorrow, when if the roles were reversed his son, in all actuality, would've probably never have gone to such effort.
To try to present as balanced an argument as I possibly can to both sidesof the situation, I would say that both men have some growing to do so they can reconnect.
'The man who cannot forgive burns the bridge over which he too must cross because we all are in need of forgiveness'.
I saw that on a grave in Trentham, Australia. Underneath was written, 'Forgiven'.
I always hate it when these kind of scenes get cut out, because the actor and actress did so well in this scene!
Same thing I was thinking. There are a lot of high hopes and rejection in the acting business. Both actors had to have been very happy to be awarded these two roles; only for their work to end up on the cutting room floor. That right there is worse than being rejected for a role. But, I can see why they elected to cut these scenes from the film. This was probably an attempt to reduce time from the final cut. They accomplished the same thing with a one minute telephone call between Blake and his son. This was a very uncomfortable scene to witness. His son was basically dishonest with Blake and saw an opportunity to get even. The son played a bait and switch on him. Got Blake to come out with some expectation of a possible reconciliation knowing full well that he would take this opportunity to tell Blake he despised him and that there was no possibility of forgiveness, ever. Jeff Bridges is the best of the best. I was concerned about whether he would get to remission. Very happy to hear that he is in remission. Looking forward to future roles and movies that he will make. If he is in it, I will buy a ticket and go see it.
When I was 33 I met my dad ,and I never held a grudge against him I was very forgiving of him .what we need to understand is you need to work on the present not the past . Keep our parents close because u may never know when we will ever see them again.. I lost my dad 2 yrs ago & I miss him everyday
God bless you. I admire your perspective. Seriously, I do. ❤
Good man
Forgiveness is right, but it can be very difficult. At the very least, it can be a long and difficult road to travel upon. I can only hope that those who choose to not forgive, can live with the consequences of their decisions. Because, a day might come when they are ready to forgive, but they might come to find out that the situation is just a bit too late to reconcile.
After years of being estranged, my father reached out to me for forgiveness. Without a second thought, I immediately forgave him. That decision allowed us to have 10 close years before he passed away. It was one of the best decisions that I have ever made in my life.
In a twist of irony, today, I have a son and daughter, children of divorce, who for some reason that I still don't know, have chosen to hate me. And, in another equally strange twist of irony, it is me who is now sick and with limited time left. Can you imagine that?
Well, it's like I said, I hope my children can live with their decisions because I don't think they are going to end up being as lucky as I was with my father. And yes, it pains me very much to acknowledge that. It's like life is this crazy spinning wheel that we simply have no control over.
@@RumbleFish69 That's kind of funny.
@@jgallagher1359 I am happy that my illness and limited time amuses you. I guess if I can't make change, I could always make a funny. Enjoy!
When he asked for “something stronger” it says it all. He hasn’t reached bottom yet. They know it. This scene is paramount to telling an alcoholic’s story - the selfishness, the regret, the pain, the heart ache. 💔
I knew it was going to go south when he asked for a stronger than beer drink; Bad’s an alcoholic and it’s his main focus in life, hence why we lost everything. Once he sobered up, he began to see the error of his ways. Before then he was angry at Tommy for not making him a big name again by doing a duet album. It was all about what Bad wanted and to be on top. Just look how he behaved when Tommy offered him a chance to write songs and make money again, but that wasn’t good enough for Bad; he wanted fame, to fill the void of the hurt he caused himself and others. This scene wasn’t needed but it would’ve shown how truly a self absorbed person Bad really was. He just being there wasn’t a gift like he thought, no one owed him anything; and Bad acted as if his son should bow down to him because he showed up. The son was right and Bad was way in the wrong to not even attempt to apologize for mens his past discrepancies and behaviors.
That's what happens with selfish/self-centered people. All they care about is themselves and they want, and when they do something for somebody, they oftentimes do it with the idea of getting something in return, and because eventually everyone gets sick of their crap, one day they wind up all alone, with nobody to blame but themselves.
¡¡¡EXCELLENT MOVIE!!!
A TRUE MASTERPIECE.
nope....it could be, with better director...
It’s better deleted cause at the point in the movie where he reached out to his son, it was early in his recovery and too soon for any kind of reconciliation. What I’m getting from the comments here is we’re all invested in the people in this story and care about them.
I lost touch with my dad when i was 8. I finally looked him up forty years later and got to hang out with him twice once in texas where im from and once in Virginia where he lived. He was 80 years old. Although it was very awkward im glad i did it, i some closure and went from am only child to having four sisters.
My dad abondoned me when i was about 4. I found him when i was around 18 and then pretty much abandoned him, even though i really tried. Never hated him, just wonderd as a father myself of 3 girls and one adopted how he could ever just leave. I just happened to run into him by coisedants on the street one day, approximately 15 years later. He asked me for some change and i pulled out all the money I had, about 45$, and gave it to him. He said thank you sir, and respectfully asked me what my name was... i was between rage and shock. I told him my name, we spoke and he asked "How can i find you again"? I said you wont. I told him i would find him, knowing i never wanted to see him again. I found out he was murdered in the middle of a lunch shift at work last year. I"ll always wonder if i stayed away out of contempt, or hurtfullness. Now ill never know.
After reading many comments, I surmise Bad was an alcoholic, just as my own father was. No love lost between the two of us.
I dont blame him, Fatherless and then he shows up acting interested, he was just morbidly curious.
Some pains don't understand other pains. A son will never understand a father until the time is right... sadly that might be to late; for the son.
happened to me.
Interesting scene. Glad it didn't make the final cut.
My biological father passed this week. Never met him as an adult. He was an addict, unfortunately, and chose his addiction over me 30+ years ago when he walked out of my life. We both remained in the same state and I kept some tabs on him. Waited for him to eventually clean up his act and come shake my hand. He never did. I was raised by my beautiful mother and one hell of a stepfather. I wish my father's family a quick grieving process; maybe we'll meet up again in the next realm. Maybe not.
Sometimes being a father means protecting your loved ones by not involving them in your drama, I'm sure bad. Didn't want his son seeing what his life devolved into
I know it doesn't help, but the drugs were running his brain. He didn't make a conscious choice.
I reconnected with my father at age 21. It was slightly bumpy at first, but now at 35 we have a very good relationship.
Time does heal for some, not for others.
I don't hold grudges in general - but there is always that sense of a wasted opportunity - especially given how well we get on.
Still you can't change the past can you.
Not sure how I feel about this scene - his wife is very passive but she was the one who convinced the son to call - I would have seen her as making more effort to be a peacemaker.
I am happy that this scene was deleted from the film. As nice as it is for a father and son to connect, even if it still falls apart in the end, the scene that made it into the film is a bit more real than this scene. In reality, I don't think that Bad's son would have even let him come out to his house. And, as heartbreaking as it was for Bad's son to hang up on him and not want to connect with his father, it spoke volumes to who Bad actually was, and how he hurt people throughout his days. And, it shows that forgiveness might be right, but it is still extremely difficult.
Sometimes forgiveness isn't possible. When it comes to forgiveness, it aint just up to you and what you do, the offended party has to be willing to give you that chance.
That's why if you are given a chance at redemption, and if the the person in whose eyes you're trying to redeem yourself in, or you hope will redeem you, take advantage of the opportunity.
Don't make excuses for your past behavior, should it come up, but own it, no matter how painful and offensive to your ego it might be, and show humility by doing what is needed to earn forgiveness.
@thecowboy9698 You're absolutely right. In fact, I believe that forgiveness is not possible more times than it actually is possible. Some lines, when crossed, cannot be uncrossed. I've had this happen within my own family. My two brothers and sister all know that I will never forgive them for what they've done. It's been at least 10 years since I've spoken to any of them. And, I have truly made my peace with my decision. I've removed them from my will, and when I die, they won't even receive a death notice, which is something that I've prearranged. I don't need hypocrites mourning for me.
@@RumbleFish69- I'm sorry you have to go through that. But then I understand as I have people in my life that I'd prefer to have as little to do with as possible.
@thecowboy9698 Thank you for saying so. It's ironic how most times family is the first to come for your money, but the last to come to your aid. It appears you have similar woes. I'm sorry for that. Sometimes, it's for the best.
I agree. It's a great scene and definitely added some backstory, but at the time I'm glad it was removed. Maybe the vibe could've been stronger when filming the scene.
One thing I've seen in alcoholics and drug addicts, they can't take ownership of their mistakes. Maybe what this man really wanted was for his father to fess up to being self-absorbed and irresponsible? I've seen this happen in my family, people try to reconcile with long-lost relatives and it doesn't go well.
I have an alcoholic in my family, and what you said is very true - that they are self-absorbed and unable to take ownership of all the terrible descisions that have lead them to where they're at - but then that is how it goes with people who are self absorbed, regardless if they have an addiction or not.
Being self-absorbed is like having your hand up in front of your face, and then wondering why you're not able to see what is in front of you.
People who are self-absorbed really have no real self-awareness, they do not realize how they come off to others, and oftentimes do not really care. No, they may not intentionally mean to hurt others, and they might even feel remorse when they realize they have done so, but when it comes down to the feelings of others and their pursuit of their own selfish desires, they choose the latter each and every time, even if it does hurt others, so the remorse they feel is not truly genuine, otherwise they would make changes.
True remorse is coupled with sincere apology and repentance for wrongful behavior.
Fine, nuanced scene that would have added dimension - and likely left many wondering who those actors were and why they couldn't have been more prominently featured - especially the son
My "father" abandoned us 30 years ago. He's dead to me. I wouldn't even make this gesture for my partner. Very good movie though♥
You have to let it go. I was lucky enough to have both parents and still do and I also was lucky enough to be a stepdad to a very sweet little boy that was my girlfriend's son (and he also had his biological dad in his life too). Life isn't perfect, or black or white, and you can focus on the good stuff.
He is trying to fix it…in his own way.
Don't think this scene should have been deleted. Look at the comments above; it touched them for all the right reasons, and it's important in the Bad Blake chronology.
Respectfully, are you a father with estranged children? Unfortunately, I am. So, believe me when I say that this deleted scene, no matter how bitterly it ends, is something that would never happen in real life. The scene in the film, the one they kept, that is reality at its finest.
Any child, especially a son, who resents their father, would never allow him in the same city, much less inside his home. The scene in the film, having the phone hung up on him, that was pure reality. ...Believe me, I unfortunately know.
@@RumbleFish69"never." ?
Humanity is complicated, even if only 01% of estranged fathers are able to get the forgiveness of their kids, that isn't never. That would amount to millions of people over the course of the history of humanity.
Movies usually show a typical behavior anyways. Most people don't become country stars. Most disgraced country stars don't get their lives back together.
And so on and so forth...
All that said, I'm sure you're right that these kind of reunions are unusual. Maybe more realistically they would happen at a wedding or a family reunion or a funeral of a mutual friend or something or a mutual family member...
@@michaelcorcoran8768 Thank you for the input. Okay, I concede that, "Never" is probably a bit of stretch. However, I can promise you, my friend, that it is way closer to never than not.
The thing that this film also doesn't show you is what happens a great majority of the time to the children of parents who have divorced...
What they don't show is how mother's badmouth fathers so badly that recovery is just about impossible. And, even if a father can recover some kind of relationship, it usually falls apart later because the child cannot fully let go of the things he/she were raised to believe; this also happened to me.
The son of a broken marriage will live his life only knowing what he's been told his entire life. See, it's hard for a child to shake a lie that a person they trust has told them as true. If mom says you're this horrible thing then it must be true because mom cares, and she would never lie to her baby! It's a huge problem!
My ex wanted to erase me from all existence; as if I never happened. She pretty much told me that to my face. She said that she wanted to raise my children with her new husband as if he was always the father, but that I still needed to pay child support. By the time I was done, I paid nearly 2 million dollars in child support for all those years. All that money, but I was squeezed out!
This problem is so real and has caused so much real concern for many fathers, not just for me, that it has now become illegal for mother's to do this. There is even a term for it now called, "Parental alienation." It is also referred to as "Malicious parent syndrome."
Parental alienation is why hanging up on a father is closer to reality than a son allowing his estranged father to visit his home. I know this because I would certainly never make to the inside any of my boy's homes. And, if I reached out, I'd be hung up on.
I have made my peace with this situation. My children are all grown up and several even have children of their own. I don't see my grandchildren and I have no relationship with any of them. And, I definitely won't see them at any event and I doubt that any of them would even come to my funeral.
And, while I struggled and was in pain over all of it for many years, today, I am okay. I am sad, sometimes, but mostly I am okay. I've simply come to realize that just like Bad's son, my sons are adults. They can choose to talk it out, forgive, or continue to carry a grudge. They have the ability to make their own, grown-up choices. And, if they can choose to live peacefully with the decisions they've made, then I also have to as well.
Sorry for the rant, but this issue is close to me and it feels rather personal.
Well he sure did a 180
Was in a similar situation ,Dad was busy working grew distant he had a breakdown never really recovered.
He felt useless as he lost his job had no money never really saw him again!He was sad case didn't get cards presents from him ended up on the street .
Was ok then lost the plot just a bum now begging ,was a strong person but let a women destroy him and our relationship 😢
I'm sorry, man. I know it's hard. 10 years before my pop passed away, he came to me for forgiveness, and I forgave him immediately. It gave us 10 great years before he died. Sadly, it doesn't work out that way for everyone. And now, in a twist of irony, it's me with estranged relationships that I have tried to fix. In my case, I really don't know what I did...Children of divorce with a mother who did everything to make me look horrible. That's how things work sometimes. It's all very sad because I am sick and I don't know how long I have left. I know that I won't make it 65, which is only 6-years off. I always say, forgive today, because you might not be able to forgive tomorrow. Sadly, my children might find that out the hard way.
Sometimes you have to be the bigger man and Otis' son was acting like a baby. He had a great life, wife, kids, and a mom who raised and loved him. Otis is the one who missed out on all that, so that is his punishment. His son needs to get over it.
Wish they hadn't deleted this
Me too
Doesnt work
Yeah probably good they didn't add this. Its not bad or anything but the movie works better leaving their relationship unresolved
The father did not do enough to console the greiving son
Too much to fuckin study for in the simple life.
Thats just brutal.
Very nice work. They should have left it in the movie.
Yep. SHould've included it. Fucked up the story.
BUT. Seems they filmed it in the wrong place in the continuity. Hence maybe why it was cut.
I don't think it should be in the movie because it doesn't advance the story in any way.
@@katgirlbluedialog needs to do one of two things. Advance the plot or show character. I don't think the scene is wasted time because it helps us further understand the depth of the pain he caused.... The sadness of not being able to fix it.
I mean technically speaking him going fishing and talking about this phone call with Robert Duvall doesn't really advance the plot either but I'm glad it's there.
@@michaelcorcoran8768 it does advance the plot though because it shows him depending on Duvall and getting cleaned up, even temporarily, so we see that he's capable of it.
GENIO !!
I never saw this before! I think this scene is very well acted, but I think the movie is better without it. It's better left to our imagination what the son is like, and also that conversation they have on the phone is heartbreaking: I want to talk - "Imagine that." Click!
That son has a good woman, guaranteed he's gonna screw it up.
This scene just left a bad taste in my mouth. Too hard to watch.
Na, the son was right. I've been there. What kind of piece of crap has a child and never contacts them? Mine couldn't even tell me my birthday. He's dead now. That's fine by me.
Bad acting .. overacting. I can definitely see why they left it out. That guy just wasn't working with the atmosphere. I'm sure it's hard to work with a near perfect actor like Jeff Bridges in the room though. Very intimidating and if you're not on your A-game he'll make you look awkward and just not in sync like this guy. He didn't do it on purpose.. he's just so damn good then it makes other people who aren't at their top, feel like they're crawling on the ground. I'll give him credit for trying. But it was a Monumental call for the editors to leave this out!
Robert Duvall produce this, so did T-Bone Burnett , Jeff Bridges and a bunch of other amazing top talent.
Anyone who's seen this film can attest to its gripping hold on your attention through the whole movie. The editing was Superior and that's 90% of the reason.
One of my favorite movies of all time bar none!
It also won best motion picture, best actor and best song.
I'm extremely glad they left the scene out.
Stupid scene. I can see why it was deleted from the final film.
I don't like how they made the son into a victim. Obviously they're both aware of the life they missed together, but he invited him here NOW to move on. To enjoy some form of life they still have left before it's over.
@@flightofthebumblebee9529The son is a victim by any metric. He's a victim of decades of neglect by his father. He thought maybe he could keep it together when his estranged father showed up and then he couldn't because the pain was too much.
Hard for me to blame him.
Хорошая сцена! Надо было не вырезать.
this scene was missed in the movie...like many more...