I use the Watch accuracy meter app on Android it works really well on my watches and the accuracy or error it indicates correlates pretty much exactly to any drift I see in the watch time over a day or days and with a timegrapher in a horologist workshop I take my watches to for service etc. With my Breitling Superocean if I set the lift angle to the correct 50 degrees it indicates the correct amplitude as confirmed by a timegrapher, for my Omega Planet Ocean 600m coaxial movement the lift angle and amplitude feature doesn't work but it still shows the correct rate and beat error as also confirmed by a timegrapher, the sound the coaxial escapement makes confuses the app a bit and it shows two parallel beat graph lines but they are still correct.
So the beat error migt be due to "outside noise" look at the scattered dots that the phone mic is picking up, maybe they are factored in the mobile phone app final result thus generating "tainted" data for the beat error, the distance between the tic toc. And still having so much correct data the seconds a day result is pretty close with the timegrapher.
Good video, I was curious how accurate these apps are, used it in the past. Maybe it's not perfect but still can give you pretty close indication. Showed me how inconsistent cheap automatic watches are, one day +3 another day +9, there is no point in calibrating them.
I usually regulate my NH35/NH38 movements so that the four main positions are just barely in the (+) side of things (dial up, dial down, crown down and 12 down), and keep one of the remaining ones (crown up, 12 up) in the (-) zone. That way it's always running a little fast, and I can slow it down at night in the slow position. It usually works out that I'm never slow, and less than 10 or so seconds fast at the end of the week. If you want to be exact, pull the crown to position 3 and wait for your reference time to catch up for a sync.
@@tuberaider I do the same thing I like to speed up my watches during the day and slow down over the night. But the problem is that some watches just don't keep the calibration due to stress or whatever and I don't want to calibrate a watch every week.
@@ronipok6023It seems that the regulator arm on NH3x trnds to reposition itself to the nearest "stable position" after a few days of wearing/light knocks. It's very difficult to move that arm by a small amount and when I nudge it back-and-forth it seems to often return to one of these "stable positions".
@@ronipok6023 That's what I noticed as well. I believe that the regulator arm on NH3x has "stable" positions where it retracts to after a few days of wear.
I have used the watch app. for some time and its damn good. Do it away from electromagnetic influence/noise for best results. May I suggest you try regulating some of your watches..........!
I cannot find this app in the App Store in the United States. And you just posted this video three days ago. There’s one that looks like it but it never shows that same window you were displaying all throughout your video. Can you give us the full name please including the maker the manufacturer name. Thank you
the other days I used a mic too just to test, brand was saramonic something, with an usbc adapter, but the results were about the same to the internal mic.... used the mic just for the looks 🤣
App: It's in the settings, see the cog ⚙️ icon in the top right corner. Device: It's in the settings, stop the trace, hit Settings and scroll through the menu.
Not much to say to be honest. Good, well done watch. I found no problems with that watch. It should be a lot of fun trying different straps though, I suspect it is a bit of a strap monster.
seiko mechanisms in chinese watches like addiesdive berny atc are of different quality - usually lower, than in lorus or seiko watches....I have had a multiple of both and there is a difference....my personal opinion is that seiko is using different material of steel for springs in mechanisms for sale than for the use into their own watches...
I dont think you muted the timegrapher? If you mute the timegrapher then the microphone on the phone will have a harder time registering the ticking of the watch. So the comparison is not quite fair.
When you put your mechanical watch close to the internal mic of your phone - it recieves magnetic exposure. So, the external mic is better. I use one from BOYA (without foam cover) - it works just fine
That external mic has probably even bigger magnet than the one inside the phone. But I would be very surprised if they have any affect at all. That would be ridiculous.
@@TomasWatchReviews nope, it's a tiny lavalier mic and checked it with my compass - almost zero fmagnetic feld. Well, maybe it's not a big issue, but i had to mention
You just reminded me why I dont buy automatics, all need serios adjustment, even SanMartin, which is the most expensive, cant seem to calibrate before sending. Will keep buying only quartz. Love the channel.😆
I never used to buy mechanical but you simply don't get the same choice of design with quartz only. When I wear a mechanical I just wear it for a few days & then by the time I wear it again after I've cycled through my watches it's been about 3 weeks. I think that way accuracy isn't an issue & they get used enough that they aren't sitting idle in a draw & the oils drying up (just me guessing really lol). Most are nh35 so I'd just buy a replacement movement online & have someone replace the movement. Shouldn't be too expensive I think/hope
Yes, same here. Apart from my late Fathers 1955 Titoni I have lost all interest in mechanical watches after buying a fantastically inaccurate (and expensive) NH38 Addiesdive 2 years ago. I hope makers carry on producing mecaquartz watches as they tick all the boxes for me.
@@giusepperocchi2979 the Seiko NH is not a terrible movement at all. Some can be poorly regulated from factory but regulating you can get 4 sec a day. It will also run for 10 years plus without a service. Swiss movements are more accurate but will require more frequent servicing. We deal with all makes of watches and people just making a sweeping negative comment not based on fact. We have had customers who have had Rolex from new and they have never performed very well at keeping time, it's all about set up and regulation. If you want timekeeping quartz can't be beat.
@@a0r0a7 The fact that you mention a generic “4sec per day” accuracy, without taking into account positions, temperature, state of charge, and so on, means you don’t have a clue about how a mechanic movement works. The NH35 is pure thrash by any possible standard except, maybe, reliability.
@@cy9nvs Maybe tell Seiko to put actual sapphire on their watches and regulate their damm movements. Also reduced their prices. They are charging too much for NH35 watches, which is essentially a 20 dollar movement.
Results and models in the video description.
Seems like app is pretty close to the grapher as far as +/- accuracy. More then accurate enough for casual owners without OCD.
I use the Watch accuracy meter app on Android it works really well on my watches and the accuracy or error it indicates correlates pretty much exactly to any drift I see in the watch time over a day or days and with a timegrapher in a horologist workshop I take my watches to for service etc.
With my Breitling Superocean if I set the lift angle to the correct 50 degrees it indicates the correct amplitude as confirmed by a timegrapher, for my Omega Planet Ocean 600m coaxial movement the lift angle and amplitude feature doesn't work but it still shows the correct rate and beat error as also confirmed by a timegrapher, the sound the coaxial escapement makes confuses the app a bit and it shows two parallel beat graph lines but they are still correct.
You should readjust the lift angle, nh35 lift angle 53°
Thank you, Tomas! Very nice video. The background music is genius!
Also appreciate the background music :)
So the beat error migt be due to "outside noise" look at the scattered dots that the phone mic is picking up, maybe they are factored in the mobile phone app final result thus generating "tainted" data for the beat error, the distance between the tic toc. And still having so much correct data the seconds a day result is pretty close with the timegrapher.
NH series movements have a lift angle of 53 deg, I think. There's a way to set it for the Weishi 1000 and also the app.
Good video, I was curious how accurate these apps are, used it in the past. Maybe it's not perfect but still can give you pretty close indication. Showed me how inconsistent cheap automatic watches are, one day +3 another day +9, there is no point in calibrating them.
I usually regulate my NH35/NH38 movements so that the four main positions are just barely in the (+) side of things (dial up, dial down, crown down and 12 down), and keep one of the remaining ones (crown up, 12 up) in the (-) zone. That way it's always running a little fast, and I can slow it down at night in the slow position. It usually works out that I'm never slow, and less than 10 or so seconds fast at the end of the week. If you want to be exact, pull the crown to position 3 and wait for your reference time to catch up for a sync.
@@tuberaider I do the same thing I like to speed up my watches during the day and slow down over the night. But the problem is that some watches just don't keep the calibration due to stress or whatever and I don't want to calibrate a watch every week.
@@ronipok6023It seems that the regulator arm on NH3x trnds to reposition itself to the nearest "stable position" after a few days of wearing/light knocks. It's very difficult to move that arm by a small amount and when I nudge it back-and-forth it seems to often return to one of these "stable positions".
@@ronipok6023 That's what I noticed as well. I believe that the regulator arm on NH3x has "stable" positions where it retracts to after a few days of wear.
Nice video Tomas - and interesting to know about the app. That testing was a lot of work - and fun!
I have used the watch app. for some time and its damn good. Do it away from electromagnetic influence/noise for best results. May I suggest you try regulating some of your watches..........!
7:55 One Watch more Beautiful than the OTHER! I guess I dreamed of you Tonight Thomas!
Great job you've done! Just as i thought, those kind of 'professional' timegraphers from Ali don't give you noticeable advantage
Thank you for doing this, great video!!
I know you can put the lift angle into the timegrapher, what about the app ? It must make some difference.
Yes, on the app you can set between 30 - 70 degrees. I doubt if 1 degree makes a difference, but I will try once I feel not lazy :D
It's mostly used to calculate the amplitude.
thanks for doing this... i will download the app.
I cannot find this app in the App Store in the United States. And you just posted this video three days ago. There’s one that looks like it but it never shows that same window you were displaying all throughout your video. Can you give us the full name please including the maker the manufacturer name. Thank you
This is android app.
AHh, I see !
Thank you very much because I just could not find that
the other days I used a mic too just to test, brand was saramonic something, with an usbc adapter, but the results were about the same to the internal mic.... used the mic just for the looks 🤣
A watch mic with a proper holder and usb c is like 15-25 dollars.
Microphone is not that great, but the holder is very convenient when regulating a watch on the fly.
Anyone know a good timegrapher app for iPhone haven’t found one that is good.
"I hear you having escapement problems, I feel bad for you son, I've got 99 problems, but my qu*rtz aint one". Love your little quip at the very end!
How adjust lift angle? Thanks.
App: It's in the settings, see the cog ⚙️ icon in the top right corner.
Device: It's in the settings, stop the trace, hit Settings and scroll through the menu.
Weishi 1000 isn't a reliable timegrapher tho... They usually stay within spec, but most of them are off by 2-5%
make a rewiev for sn0008 please, we realy need it
Not much to say to be honest. Good, well done watch. I found no problems with that watch. It should be a lot of fun trying different straps though, I suspect it is a bit of a strap monster.
seiko mechanisms in chinese watches like addiesdive berny atc are of different quality - usually lower, than in lorus or seiko watches....I have had a multiple of both and there is a difference....my personal opinion is that seiko is using different material of steel for springs in mechanisms for sale than for the use into their own watches...
I dont think you muted the timegrapher? If you mute the timegrapher then the microphone on the phone will have a harder time registering the ticking of the watch. So the comparison is not quite fair.
muted, it is loud, you would hear it in the video
@@TomasWatchReviews thanks for clarifying, then the app is really impressive
Not bad. I always thought those apps were B's..
Why? The device has a similar algorithm running, it only has a dedicated microphone which could make a difference.
When you put your mechanical watch close to the internal mic of your phone - it recieves magnetic exposure. So, the external mic is better. I use one from BOYA (without foam cover) - it works just fine
That external mic has probably even bigger magnet than the one inside the phone. But I would be very surprised if they have any affect at all. That would be ridiculous.
@@TomasWatchReviews nope, it's a tiny lavalier mic and checked it with my compass - almost zero fmagnetic feld. Well, maybe it's not a big issue, but i had to mention
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You just reminded me why I dont buy automatics, all need serios adjustment, even SanMartin, which is the most expensive, cant seem to calibrate before sending. Will keep buying only quartz. Love the channel.😆
I never used to buy mechanical but you simply don't get the same choice of design with quartz only.
When I wear a mechanical I just wear it for a few days & then by the time I wear it again after I've cycled through my watches it's been about 3 weeks. I think that way accuracy isn't an issue & they get used enough that they aren't sitting idle in a draw & the oils drying up (just me guessing really lol). Most are nh35 so I'd just buy a replacement movement online & have someone replace the movement. Shouldn't be too expensive I think/hope
Yes, same here. Apart from my late Fathers 1955 Titoni I have lost all interest in mechanical watches after buying a fantastically inaccurate (and expensive) NH38 Addiesdive 2 years ago. I hope makers carry on producing mecaquartz watches as they tick all the boxes for me.
These are cheap watches with terrible movements, what did you expect ?
@@giusepperocchi2979 the Seiko NH is not a terrible movement at all. Some can be poorly regulated from factory but regulating you can get 4 sec a day. It will also run for 10 years plus without a service. Swiss movements are more accurate but will require more frequent servicing. We deal with all makes of watches and people just making a sweeping negative comment not based on fact. We have had customers who have had Rolex from new and they have never performed very well at keeping time, it's all about set up and regulation. If you want timekeeping quartz can't be beat.
@@a0r0a7
The fact that you mention a generic “4sec per day” accuracy, without taking into account positions, temperature, state of charge, and so on, means you don’t have a clue about how a mechanic movement works. The NH35 is pure thrash by any possible standard except, maybe, reliability.
That's an impressive collection of knock-offs.
thank you
You complimenting the design of these blatant fakes is peak cringe... 🙄😬
understandable
I'll take a homage piece over any traditional brands any day. Brands like Seiko are too lazy in trying to improve their watches anyways.
@@Gigachad-hb7ji yeah, keep telling Yourself that. Those watches aren't "homages", they're copycats, fakes.
You're supporting companies that are stealing other people's work.
@@cy9nvs Maybe tell Seiko to put actual sapphire on their watches and regulate their damm movements. Also reduced their prices. They are charging too much for NH35 watches, which is essentially a 20 dollar movement.
@@cy9nvs Or maybe tell Seiko to step up their QC. Have you seen the amount of QC issues they have lately?