Discord: The Most Evil Business In The World
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How does Discord make money? There's a lot more to Discord than you'd first think, here's why.
Discord's business model is strange it hardly makes any money, it doesn't sell a fee or sell user data or so it seemed.. Discord is an evil business and this video will explain everything bad about discord and why discord is bad. Discord is trash because it is damaging society by the way it makes money.
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Video idea: Bill Gates is authoritarian and needs to go.
Bro it sells your data
Didn't expect this video. I guess discord is evil. You are making great videos, continue.
Thank you so much for making this
That last sentence..."if you are not paying for the product, YOU ARE THE PRODUCT". Why people that are using tik tok and any other"free" app are unable to understand or care about it? Great video, super informative. Shared and subscribed.
"Discord is the most evil business in the world"
*proceeds to explain why Tencent is the most evil business in the world*
and how tencent is bad because communism hurrdurr
@Neil Bowman -imagine not know what clickbait means-
-could be me-
correction: this video sucks and so does the channel behind it
But Tencent owns majority of discord, thats the point.
@@bloopahVIII 'could be me'
@@dqrk_6 ye
Why can’t there be some social media that doesn’t have a corrupt story? Seems every platform has a dark story behind them.
There aren't social medias that don't steal your info, create your own way to chat on the internet
the bigger you are the more likely you will fall..........REAL HARD
@@dovydas4483 gonna light a fire and smoke-signal my homies 🔥
We'll have to see what Elon does to Twitter. Might be revolutionary and some companies might feel preassured to change things a little
@@straawberryfieldsforever lol
me: wow this is absolutely unforgiving.
also me: *opens discord to talk to friends*
tell what Discord is doing through Discord
This is all a distraction, they keep saying tscina will rule the world in 10 years every year since like 50s lol. The threat is domestic not foreign, focus on people trying to take your rights away an inch at a time, thats the threat.
@@prodbylucii😂😂
me: Wow this is hot garbage. Surely no one believes it.
also me: wow look at all these people who did absolutely 0 fact checking on this sensationalized crap.
DIscords terms of service specifically state they aren't sharing data with any company other than their own subsidiaries (like the various Discord Inc registered in various countries). So yes, if you move to the Netherlands, you will be able to log into Discord and your data will be shared with Discord Netherlands Inc.
Tencent also owns a SMALL share in Discord. Most credible sources claim between 2 - 5%. Nowhere near the 38% Moon pulled out of his ass. AKA Tencent can't do shit other than complain. They can't make changes in Discord. This is sensationalized hot garbage.
Tbf, at this point in this dystopian reality, there's nothing about you that they don't already know. Might as well keep going.
"Discord combined calling functionality from Skype with Servers" - I'm really surprised how the description of Discords early success completely misses a mention of TeamSpeak. The fact that Discord incorrectly calls chat boards "Servers" makes it obvious that Discord was actually meant to be a more user friendly version of TeamSpeak. It filled a niche in that regard, which tremendously contributed to its success.
It's all IRC
Discord's own terminology originally called them "guilds" not servers. Until recently it was only the users that called them servers
@@Ehal256 not the original poster, but I can see why they say that Discord "servers" aren't servers. It's because they aren't- the chat boards aren't sorted according to the server handling the chats
@@Ehal256 yeah, but here we mean text and voice chat servers. TeamSpeak was a way bigger deal than Skype, with REAL servers that you could buy or run from home if you could afford it. I remember switching to Discord from Skype and TS3 back in around 2017, the first thing that brought me there was free group chats. TS3 group chats, I mean, servers, were paid and usually (at least in my local area) kinda toxic, and Skype wasn't relevant anymore - not only everyone switched to Discord real quick, but also the group chat plague that I lived when I was 8-10 happened - random people adding everyone from their friends list to random chats to spam their inbox, and it's not a thing anymore on Discord. I've always called these chats 'servers', because that's the terminology I got used to as a kid - I was only 10 when I stopped using Skype, so you know..
i know its so fucking annoying im seeing everyone always call them that im like fucking kill me
I respect this guy for being the only one who read the Discord Privacy Policy.
I read it but I think im too stupid to have noticed the problem
@@AByteofCode exactly same
LOL same =)))))
Let's be honest this video does speak the truth but in the end who cares if the Chinese govs know how many times we masturbate a day and to which kind of porn or furry fetishes we do it or how many times we swear when we get salty in videogames =)))
I do it just for fun. Im joking. Nobody reads it i think
Its like 100 pages
the look on the chinese governments face when they uncover 10 trillion terabytes of furry media and ERP
bruh lmao
this
🤤
@@KodasGarden 📸🤨
from what
Bro Made an entire essay about data control and then finished the video with a masterworks ad
I was thinking about that exactly 🤣
based on your video, almost every internet company is the most evil business in the world
your awful relation with your parents has nothing to do with this
@@decespugliatorenucleare3780 no no no he's got a point even Facebook does it and no one cares
Slight correction:
Discord does use encryption. However, it doesn’t use end-to-end encryption.
This means that while it is encrypted, everything you put on Discord (the app) is readable by Discord (the company).
He already said
That they did have some security
But it was stored in the discord data base
Another correction: while end-to-end encryption is available in the Facebook Messenger app, it is a special mode and not the default. Messenger is very popular in my country, yet I don’t remember ever seeing anyone use the encrypted mode (it has black bubbles).
It was added just for marketing an illusion of security on Facebook. Like the video’s creator unknowingly does. If you cared about security, you probably wouldn’t be using Facebook anyway.
even though it's a messaging app, doesn't mean it's always private
there's so many cases where other people accounts get banned because they posted something terrible or joining some sensitive political server.
Even if it was E2E encrypted it doesn’t stop them from having a back door like *coughing* *coughing* WhatsApp. And for them to have a single way encrypted and stored decrypted in the database means that if anyone hacked into the database like with an SQL attack it lightens the work for him and he can then directly access the message. That’s the point that he meant, or at least I think so.
thats what he said in the video lol
I clicked to see how deep this ‘rant’ would go.
I watch the entire thing and became enlightened of what happens when you don’t read the Terms and Service
Moon managed to make an entire 24 minute video saying we're all doomed based on the fact that Tencent invested into Discord. Which, let's be clear, the TOS never stated.
Give me your personal info please
Fr it's way to overblown
@@flow185 Chinese people are locked up in their homes its a big deal
@@flow185 Ignorance is bliss as they say
They're collecting my data?! Yeah, so is everyone else.
"If you are not paying for the product, YOU ARE THE PRODUCT"
“If you’re not paying for the product, you are the product”. That’s going to stick with me for a while
Damn
Daamnnn!
Hopefully forever, because that's about how long it's been true.
I doubt that if you spend money on discord, you suddenly became not-the product
No matter the service - payable or free, you are the product
Probably the most evil thing discord did was create discord mods
Discord and Reddit mods are the ultimate proof of that Humanity shouldn't allow anyone without at least a good background to accrue power and authority.
@@phosspatharios9680 but what makes your background? The data accrued by these people or locals who know you. Unfortunately it's the first and they can twist it anyway they want
@@phosspatharios9680 I'm agreeing. Not challenging you. Just saying how messed up it is
@@xh0rn3rx I understand your question. Here's the answer: in ye olde times, noble dynasties maintained power for so long because every heir of a crown or a large title was educated to be a leader, an administrator, an intellectual and a steward from birth. It is, everyone in noble dynasties had at least some level of good background and thus had better chances of being appropriate authorities.
Now we don't vet leaders (or, in this case, mods) for them being born to govern, but we commit either the same mistake of american indigenous people (reward charisma with authority) and of most dictatorships, specially the Axis Powers (reward loyalty with authority)
@@phosspatharios9680 understandable. Dumb. But understandable lol
When you think about it. People who use social media give up all of this information themselves. Google has all of this information as well. So while it is shady, people had to see this coming.
Explain to me how you function on a daily bases without using a single company that doesn't have your best interest in mind, and please try to victim blame again
@sharrpshooter1 not blaming anyone. Just an observation on how messed up things are, I don't side with the companies by any means.
Imagine talking about this on discord with a friend, and the discord staffs are like, 'No shit sherlock, ur banned.'
Discord : "we dont sell your data... we give it away"
Lmaoo yes
Only gamers use discord right? Right??
We really don't sell your data
But here we means 38% tencent 😉
@@SujithHarry9nope
@@invalidaccount6147 you do know that discord can't do anything right?
I know the title is an exaggeration but I’m gonna point out what I consider to be the most evil business, Nestlé decided to turn a profit by telling African, South American, and South Asian parents that their(Nestlé’s) baby formula was better for babies than breast milk was, which caused tons of babies to die in the 70s.
well, nestle always impresses by being blatantly evil. i mean "we do not think water is a human right" is pretty much as "comic book villain" as it goes.
i wonder if this was already the "toned down" version, after their PR team looked into it or if their PR team was not included in the discussion. the latter would indicate incompetence, the first one is scary.
From what I had heard, they had given products for free for about a month, to which point the mothers wouldn't be able to produce milk anymore. Then they began to charge for the milk - basically forcing them to buy from Nestle or let their babies starve.
Ofc it is evil, it is a french country /j
There’s also any company that sells military weapons to the US government. They’re essentially responsible for millions of deaths.
i guess babies that would of likely died in near future is worst than enabling 1984 world
I'm confused why this video wasn't titled, "Tencent: The Most Evil Business In The World." Why target Discord specifically? For its popularity?
Hey, I know I am a year late but with current world events, I would be very interested in researching this more, specifically the Tencent Company. And how they control other Social medias. If you wouldn't mind, please link your sources? Thanks
this is sad. whatsapp always was my favorite, but discord, supercell etc are amazing too and it's sad that tthey can collect more than just your messages.
There are no sources cause his video is crazy misinformation
Tencent is just a holdings company. WeChat is definitely a puppet of the CCP, but Tencent has little to no impact on its holdings like Discord, even though it’s a large shareholder
"Because if you're not paying for the product, you ARE the product."
*Cuts straight to ad*
I don't think people understand how intricate this observation was
The social dilemma documentary
reject modernity go to cave
Yep, you didnt pay for youtube, so you're a product for the companies that buy their ad slots...
Either you pay in cash, either someone else pays for you and gets something else from you in return.
It's just how pretty much all social media works. Discord isn't more "evil" than say TikTok, another company Tencent owns, and companies such as Facebook and Twitter collect way more data than Discord does. Yes, this data collection sucks, but Discord doesn't really stand out as particularly bad entity compared to all other companies doing the same thing.
the difference is that twitter and facebook just try to sell you dumb shit with that data whereas the chinese social media intelligence network is being used in china's effort to entirely collapse the western civilisation and make the dystopia some people claim that we are living right now a real thing
Did you finish watching the video? Just at the moment tencent is mentioned, you should know it's bad news. Luckily i don't use any major social media but it sucks to all of the people who have no idea of how discord is handling their personal information.
@@karlos777x You know RUclips is a major social media, right?
@@tinersee yes, sorry my bad. I kind of forgot it is.
The cope is strong with this one
One life was taken on January 6th, not five. Hyping?
...says "fives lives will be taken" on Jan6. Okay, we're done here.
Not even close to most evil. Not even in the top 10. That's the tragic thing.
Nestle comes to mind
@@Ghostrnaut Nestle is literally satanic.
I can think of dozens apon dozens of big pharma and oil companies alone that havr actively killed people.
@@Ghostrnaut Nah child slavery is based
@@kaleb5926 dawg
When Every social media has serious problems with the innate facts about its existence, maybe it's time for a change...
People don’t want to look in a mirror
@@jackson.6282 the people aren't at fault here, you can't expect everyone to know how evil stuff for their "convenience" is. btw you are using youtube
it's simply humanity
the only way to fix it is to start a mass extinction by nuclear holocaust
keep yourselves on the outside so all of humnity can end
what kind of change do you propose? you cannot run a service for free, simply put. if you make people pay for it - nobody or not enough people will sign up.
if you don't - you'll have to run ads. and for them to be successful, you will have to mine user data to some degree.
Human moment
Winnie the Pooh is reading your messages
well they're not lying technically. they don't sell your account. they just give it for free to their major shareholder
I can't say it's not bad, it really is, but calling Discord the most evil business in the world is an overstatement to say the very least.
I mean, Tencent is automatically more evil since the entirety of discord's evilness is from tencent in the first place, but tencent just collects user data to manipulate the planet. It's f**ked, but it's not Nestlé's divert the water supply of an entire town and then sell them that water back when they have severe drought.
And Nestlé's not bad compared to cigarette companies, which tried to obscure information on cigarettes causing cancer by spamming the research field with unrelated tests, thus willingly giving cancer to huge populations.
They aren't that bad compared to plastics companies, which in turn avoided using recyclable plastics by making resin identification codes. RICs are designed to tell you what type of plastic a given plastic is. They also happen to resemble the recycling symbol quite a bit. This in turn caused recycling to become harder as people thought non-recyclable objects were also recyclable, making already terrible pollution even worse.
They, in turn, are a f**king joke compared to General Motors, a company that, almost entirely thanks to Thomas Midgley Jr., nearly destroyed civilization itself...Twice.
I'm not kidding, GM is the reason leaded gas exists, which was the largest cause of death for decades, taking the lives of millions and is still the main contributor of lead in the atmosphere, despite being banned 5 decades ago. It also caused an entire generation to be severely mentally stunted.
That's nowhere nearly as bad as the second time they f**ked the world, in which they used CFC. Otherwise known as the gas that single-handedly caused the near destruction of the ozone layer, being exponentially more damaging than any other cause of the damage done to the ozone layer. It's also why the ozone layer is no longer an issue, we banned CFC, and that caused the ozone layer to change from being erased into slowly healing. Thomas Midgley personally invented both of those compounds, but he's not a business, GM is. They did all of this knowingly too.
I feel like causing two global-warming level cataclysms at a rate exponentially faster than global warming are kind of incomparable to giving information to a company working for a government trying to take over the world. It's bad, but the worst they can do is create a dystopia, they aren't ever going to end civilization for short-term profit.
EDIT: People down in the comments are right, DuPont's also f**ked, they didn't ever almost end the world but did so many extremely evil things that its too much to count and probably add up to GM.
Tbh I would prefer the end of the civilization to living in a dystopia. You would have no freedom, no rights. We aren't that far though, they're just good at hiding it
@@chillslime6673 You can kill yourself in a dystopia if you really hate it, and dystopias aren't dictatorships. To create a true dystopia, the leader also has to give up a very decent portion of power. That, or you leave your dystopia to a revolution that will eventually come.
Not to mention the eventual death you will face unless you find a way to make yourself immortal, but in either case either you will eventually get bored or your successor will not be as good a dictator.
1984's or fahrenheit 451's or the brave new world's dystopias all rely on some form of societal self-law enforcement that makes even the leaders lead f**ked up lives. Hell, the majority of officials in 1984's government straight up wants to end the government. Their problem is that someone made an indestructible system that makes itself keep going, at the cost of everyone's happiness, including whoever made the system.
China wants full power to itself, not a dystopia. They'll build a dystopia if necessary, but the dystopia they build would be easy to dissolve.
Yeah. Although the topic of the video is to pull views though. Us, the product of this free application, are naturally being showed topics that are more likely to compel us and get us to watch advertisements in exchange for content.
Man! Why are the non-pfp’s always the smartest? ❤️
@@NJisaverage they got no time to put a pfp, they have a job to do! Lol
I love how everyone is criticizing, giving advice & bringing even more conversations to the table about who is even worse lol. This is a rare sight and I’ve learned so much here
this is stuff i knew for years and he is just now making a video. This just means were doomed because people dont know this obvious stuff is happening.
@@emperorscotty as your on RUclips
@@imshid i dont talk about it on my yotube because i dont have enough subscribers to risk getting cenored. but actually i have talked about it ha ha, but just not on this channel.
The worst part about this video is the misinformation. For example, Tencent owns shares of reddit, true, but they bought non-voting shares. If you know anything about stocks you know this means Tencent has zero control over such a company.
@@mahranch841 youre missinformed
If he says Tencent one more time I'm gonna scream.
RUclips needs "summarise a video into one sentence" so bad.
I know that it would kill it's ad-powered revenue, but still..
“Discord is the most evil company ever”
>decides to explain china and CCP lore
Yeah, which makes sense because from the first quarter of the video he didn't want to focus on Discord itself, but rather what makes up Discord.
The title is definitely clickbait, likely because more people know what Discord is rather than what Tencent is.
@@g3design637 🤦♂
@@g3design637 Discord is the of sum of its parts. Don't act like Tencent having a huge share in its business is anything we shouldn't worry about. The more people who become complacent on these sorts of issue will inevitablely make it worse.
@@diotone5580 Obviously it's not a good thing. But I'm just saying the focus of the video wasn't Discord but rather one of it's shareholders. "Discord" could have been replaced several other companies, and the video would have been quite similar.
@@g3design637 I can agree the video is skewed in that regard. The title should have been "Why Discord is becoming an evil company".
If i had a nickel for every time a social media company has done some shady stuff, i’d be flippin rich
You should have bought the stock then
@@pokermitten9795 yes
You'd be richer than Elon Musk and I'm not joking
@@Baby_eater123 ik
Actually youve given them nickles . 😂
Remember nothing is for free in this world. If something is free, then you are the price, you data is the price and you precious time is the price you are paying with with/without you content. We often skip those long and boring privacy policy pages, but those things hold the actual truths of the company. We need some tool that can summarize those pages without having to look for them by the user. AI can also be used.
350 Mio. doesn't sound like a lot at first, but when you think abt the fact, that there are "only" 8 Billion Ppl on the Planet, makes this a more impressive
Not defending discord in any way, but literally every major company tracks you and listens to you to get more money
Yeah, but if google collects some shit to show me a stupid ad is one thing. But china clearly has another agenda along with money as well ofc.
Did you watch the video? he pointed that out but the difference is that discord is giving your information to the CCCP to use against your own country. not just selling your data to advertisors...
Insert China and everything USA have been doing for the last century is somehow evil and shit, yet china didn't make my continent fall into dictatorships in the 60s-80s because ours countries weren't "free"(capitalist) enough
@@finnmill1000 discord is far worse
@@finnmill1000 CCCP? What is that?
When the video starts with a lie, you must watch with scepticism.
What lie?
@@tomk4984 Ashley Babbitt was the only "life taken" on Jan 6th... smells like government propaganda to me.
Is Tencent really that different from US companies? I'm sure NSA has all sorts of backdoors in American businesses
Yes it is, and if I had to choose I take the NSA any day, fuck those chinese commie pricks
"With 150 million active users Discord now has 3 times Reddit's active user base."
I had never realized how small Reddit actually is. I wonder how big Reddit would have been by now, if it didn't go down the toxic, censorious cancer road.
Reddit is ok if you don’t go anywhere political and staying in subreddits that aren’t cancerous like small projects and stuff
Probably smaller
Do the people who create subreddits get to choose who moderates it?
@@manwhoismissingtwotoenails4811 Yes
@@killertigergaming7395 As someone who is permanently banned due to the Reddit admins not reading the context of my comment, for a really, really stupid reason, and the ban was handed out on a subreddit about cat photos... I can disagree with this.
Edit : autocorrect screwing up a word.
“January 6th, 2021… The world would change forever.” Bit of a stretch there
me when the whole world is america
And Discord was to blame for it.....
..yea if Discord didnt exist i gues the post-delivery men woud take the blame.
@@stefankatsarov5806
No, social media is much worse due to the instant communication
@@lucaslucas191202 My point is you cant blame the means of communication for anyting. If people want to organise and do someting then the means wont matter.
Also we have emails that allow for instant communication as well as phones, but again speed or ease of use dont matter.
@@stefankatsarov5806
I agree that emails could be used instead. But speed definitely matters. Emotions don't last forever, and having to wait a week for a response kind of soothes any emotion
not the video ending with an ad for stock investing programs
Note: Deleting discord message doesn't make the message itself remove from the discord's server.
If you try to "Request all of my Data" it'll return all of your message include the deleted ones.
oh, thank you sir!
NO WAY. It's a game changer..... but wait....
it's requirement of GDPR to return all data about you.... not requerment of China.
How dare they follow GDPR rules? ARE THEY DUMB?!
I love how everything is evil in this planet
And the majority is china
( people who works for Chinese government only )
being alive in this age is enjoying something and then very quickly finding out how it's horrible
@RedGum88 LOL. change doesn't happen, not for the better. it's just an infinite gradual slide into the abyss.
@@mattseaton5832 with this attitude capitalism will continue to destroy lives and the planet 😬
@@ryan160 dumbest shit I've read all day. Congrats. The destruction of capitalism is precisely the problem
If I had a nickel everytime I heard someone calling an app "evil" I would be a millionaire.
They typically are, just a fact of life
@@Mawyman2316 “You can’t make money from happiness only dreams” -Every social media compay
@@Mawyman2316 well no. Inanimate objects have no way of being evil or good. And evil/good is a largely subjective topic anyway.
RUclips comment sections are just the biggest yikes.
@@rushfast1339 apps aren't objects and neither are corporations. Call it evil or not, they want to catalogue every little thing about you, control your life , restrict your freedoms and use you for profit until you finally die and waste away. then they will proceed to repeat the process on your children.
@@guatemalaninsanitypepper1322 Ok so you're trying to say that never happened before the age of the internet? Large quantities of information weren't gathered in an attempt to control people throughout almost the entire period of human history before now (barring periods where writing did not exist)?
Yeah the quality and quantity has improved with modern collection techniques. Wanna know something else that improved? Quality of life.
Management of populace data has always been a method of control. Shouldn't be a shocking revelation.
"If you are not paying for the product, YOU ARE THE PRODUCT" 💥
"On the surface discord has never monetized its userbase." It's the only one that monetizes to the extremes that it does. Every competing platform is completely free, or hostable in place of it. It has the most monetization of any of these platforms. If this isn't monetization, I'd hate to see what monetization looks like.
Man, I’ve been using Discord since it was first launched in 2015, seeing it rapidly expand with many new features that you just didn’t see and how it’s expanded out today, I really love the platform talking to all my friends. This video kinda brings me down but I’m glad you shared this.
Same here. I'll be spending 6 years studying at China. I guess they know me better than Google at this point
@The Cycle silence is the best option
this video is lies, i read privacy policy after watching this video and let me tell you privacy policy states discord only shares data with companies they own/control like:
Discord Inc.
Discord Netherlands BV
Discord Canada Holdings, Inc.
Brazos Games, LLC
Furthermore discord shares data with companies they hire for purposes like people buying nitro on discord, for them to buy nitro discord needs to share a bit of data with paypal for paypal to do their job, finally they share data to advertise discord to teh correct people.
I checked privacy policy denies any claim of tencent getting data from discord, discord probably doesnt even have a motive to do so as the 38% is made up, no source on the internet claims that tencent owns 38% of discords shares. they have no say over discord probably
discord earns money via nitro and merchandise and probs a few other ways i forgot, but in no way by selling data
@@discordtos3135 I'm glad there are people who actually fact check for themselves, Imma peek into this myself personally if this video really is pure gobbity goop
Yea I like the platform too, but never being able to delete my messages(clear history) never sat right with me. It's nonsensical that it can't be possible after all this time and so many features added when literally every other messaging app has it. You can only delete your messages, and I'm not even sure it gets deleted on the other person's end. I don't even think it encrypts anything either.
"If you aren't paying for the product, you are the product". Like damn man that hit me hard. Even though I kinda already thought that was the case. This is horrible man
Try keep up
But…discord does charge? They have a ton of subscription models for all sorts of stuff.
@@SpaceBoomerBill I use it and its free
@@pookachu64 I literally said I already thought it was the case. Anyways
Bro literally every free product does this. It’s not new
18:45 The way he pronounces Nike
if talking about really The Most Evil Business In The World then Nestle takes the cake with flying colors
This is the 5th time you’ve called something the most evil business in the world
because they are the most evil businesses in the world
It keeps changing man
Tells you a lot about business
@@nomercy8989 it tells more about moon then it does business lmao
Pfizer is a lot more evil than Discord, this person making the video is a grifter
At this point, I might even code my own chatting app to hangout with the homies😭😭😭
@@jowimartens7079 I mean I got the skills
and you use a opensource license and let the community update the fuck out of it
@@NoxByProduction if I ever build something like that, I will make it open-source, I feel like that's better.
my thoughts exactly
And then you'll sell your soul to a bunch of Chinese fucks for a few bucks. That's how it goes
38% does not usually give you preferential treatment with regards to company assets like user information. The owners of the other 62% would sue you and the company
Discord is basically just Slack from Walmart because Discord stole Slack's features and called it their "own features" Slack was founded in 2008 and Disocrd in 2015
Calling it “the most evil business in the world” is a bit much lmao. There are far worse
Hey man, that click ain't gonna bait itself...
@CH_Omega tho tencent doesnt actually have access to data from discord
Lizard man laughs in metaverse
@@MysticWorldsStudios At least there are in america so i don't give a fuck that much unlike tencent
Bro $100 on if he’s just mad cause he got banned for breaking the terms of service with hate speech or some shit
The only relevant factual claims here seem to be:
1) the discord founder's first company was brought to court over user data privacy but was not charged with any crimes,
2) discord's current business model is not financially sustainable long-term, and
3) the investment value of discord comes from their collected user data.
The other comments have already said it. Nearly all modern companies collect data with the intention of profitting. (EDIT: and this isn't just tech companies. Why do you think grocery stores have "rewards programs" that assign a specific serial number to each customer?) This sort of practice may well be evil. But if it is, it only means that the whole free-market world is moving in a more evil direction; not just discord.
This video is mostly empty drawn-out click bait and a disrespectful waste of time to those who took the time to watch it hoping to learn whether their messaging app is causing serious harm to anyone.
Thanks, you just saved me 24 minutes of my life
"Discord tracks every key-stroke every thought you have (Scawwy!!!!)"
My thoughts on discord: Yo hop on fortnite, game end yourself, idk thats pretty much it
@@kinnikuzero if only i could have seen a certain like to dislike ratio right before playing the video, which would have lead me to read the comment section...
@@nootics it only had 1.9k dislikes
It's an arm of the Chinese Govt...
FB encryption has to be turned on in settings, it's so not intuitive that most of users pass data unencrypted
and if any big company will buy discord it will be destroyed as it happens to everything....
As a person who grows up in mainland china and has used tencent products for more than 10 years(not because I’m a big fan, I don’t really have a choice since tencent is such a monopoly in china), i can assure you tencent is in deed the most sinister company of all time.
-10 social credit score watch your language
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You mean, aside from Google or Meta, innit?
@Nighty1804 Why would they program a bot to throw shade on Tencent?
The motherland will get you for this
I lived in china for more than 5 years, what makes them more evil than Facebook or any other big tech? Cause I can't name anything.
Not everything mentioned in this video was entirely factual, but I think it hit some good points. One thing Discord did do well is reset the standard for instant messengers and they’ve all improved because of it, both proprietary and open source.
I see the main point of he video flew over your head. Lol
What wasn’t factual?
What exactly was not "factual?"
Many things Discord did were lifted from IRC in many regards.
@@daka3785 that TenCent is a communist company. Like LMAO, does this guy even know what communist means or is he throwing it around as a buzzword? Also, if that New Intelligence Policy requires Secret cooperation then how tf do these journalists know?
Weird how a software that I only use for voice chating while casually playing online games with old friends can be the most evil business in the world
And not Nestlé!? Yea would be weird
@@Szaboo92 And hundreds of others tbh. But they're our western civilized masters, so let's not talk about it
there's a lot of businesses out there that do a lot more evil than discord, if not in quantity, then at least in severity
Never trust a company that uses a smiley face as its logo...
Forbidden App
Even worse?
A Lobsided, Dupers delight smile, That's the A- Z of laughing your face covered.
Which company uses a smile in the logo? I can only think of Amazon.
I trust Happy Shopper with my life.
@@lapiswolf2780 reddit
Blaming discord for Jan 6 is like blaming 4chan for any relatively recent shooting. Yeah they might've used it that doesn't mean they wouldn't have done it had the platform not existed. It's a damn chat app they could've just as easily used telegram.
Yes. There are some good points and interesting information in this video, but that connection is a far stretch. I wish this video would have been made more professionally.
@@jojoba_24
What are you 2 talking about? He didn't blame that on Discord, he just mentioned it as an example for the kind of valuable information China would be looking for.
@@jojoba_24 yea, a large amount of this video is “discord can be used by china to collect data”
What’s china gonna do with my memes that I send at 3 am?
@@SkimBee I also find it weird how much he emphasises that it’s a „communist run company“. Tencent isn’t bad because of communism, it’s bad because it employs surveillance in terrible ways, especially on chinas population.
exactly, this is like the time they blamed a flight simulator for assisting what happened in 2001
Easy Solution: Make it ILLEGAL to sell user information!!!
The fact that you think that January 6 was a result of manipulations at Discord as opposed to being a false flag operation by the FBI is quite troubling.
“Truth is stranger than fiction, but it is because fiction is obliged to stick to possibilities; truth isn't.” - Mark Twain
I just watched a video about how Shell poisoned the farms and ruined the economy of the Nigerian people, while keeping them under brutal military control. It’s almost insulting saying that discord is the “most evil business in the world”. The January 6th inclusion was kind of forced too. Calling it “world changing” is kind of dumb given it was a strictly American event.
I agree this guy does not really know what he is talking about also ten-cent only has a minority stake in the business
Yeah, Americans love to call America the entire world.
*shrug*
if you look for it, it wont be hard to find something worse
@@do0nv I don't even think he's American, but even if he is this guy just enjoys click baiting and fear mongering anyway
He should probably have put more focus on Chinas plans to take over the entire world, do you think they collect data for fun, obviously something bigger at play
It's more like a conspiracy theory when there is no actual proof that Discord is sharing data with Tencent.
How?! Do you even have a concept of how internet works? What is a server (not a discord "server") where data is stored? Same as "Cloud" platforms. Its a physical "computer" with bunch of hard drives which stores data in directories same as you store your own data locally on your hard drive. Its not hard for shareholders to get to data that is stored on servers which Discord uses.
@@snoop3539 i do understand server and discord has access to all of our chat history，but，read my sentence again.
@@snoop3539 being a shareholder doesn't come with credentials for access to raw data in storage. Or to the systems (databases) they'd be needing to look into to find out WHERE in storage it actually is.
@@snoop3539 Yeah it is a physical computer, so you just need to send 1000 chinese agents to raid all Discord's servers somewhere in America, each one with hundreds of 1TB, extremely fast flash drives and copy all the data so it would take only about three days to gather few petabytes. No one would notice.
"Its not hard for shareholders to get to data that is stored on servers which Discord uses." Or you think that it takes one incognito guy with a fake mustache, to get to servers room of Discord, that is by the way certainly unsecured and that he would be able to send all the data to China? I really dont understand you, you act like shareholders have normally access to the servers room of Discord. Like why tf would anyone let them go there, it is extreme security security threat and they have no reason to be there.
omg those noises like in 0:35 have SUCH HIGH FREQUENCIES they make my ears hurt no matter at what volume im listening 😭
“The most evil business ever” human traffickers: “hold my beer”
Nestle: No, hold mine
watch the actual video before saying stupid stuff like this
@@noah89436 that was a joke, think before saying stupid stuff like this
@@noah89436 bud have u ever heard of a joke?if not here:
a thing that someone says to cause amusement or laughter, especially a story with a funny punchline. think with ur dumbass brain before saying stupid stuff like this. L behaviour
China: hold my communist
They always foreshadow their intentions. "Discord" was created for just that, creating discord in communities. I have my discord account since 2015 and at first it was meant to be better and less laggy Skype replacement. They should just stick to that.
Making $100+ millions as a founder selling it vs. some kids they don't know caring about Discord communities.
yeah i've had my same account since 2015
I always thought that Discord was a strange name for a social media chat site. Now it makes complete sense.
@@fakeninja4447 true but then again microsoft Is microsoft and owns everything these days
@@digitalclock Skype used to be P2P and not owned by Microsoft.
So now I understand why while I'm gaming I'm constantly bombarded with the question of why I'm not on Discord. They're just trying to get me to sign up to be monitored.
Me: Wow this is so wild
Also me: Opens Discord to send video to friends
What sucks is that discord is a really user friendly app too, streamlined, easy to understand and use chats, voice calls and video, a very useful server system and even a way to share the same user. Truly depressing to see that it's been made a puppet.
Ikr
User friendly? I've never it as anything close to user friendly seems like an overcomplicayed trashy mess 😂
@@waltersullivan8197 It's very user friendly.
@@waltersullivan8197 Shut
@@waltersullivan8197 have you taken 5 minutes to understand how each button works
“Discord wil have more than 500 million users in the world!”
This may seem like, “yeah that’s quite a lot” compared to other social media giants until you realise that’s basically 1/16 of the entire world’s population online
Not online.
Thats still huge dude
What is the "entire worlds population online"?
Bruh that’s still huge
@@deathstramy7272 He's referring to the current world population in general. Not people that have access to the internet, which there is a bunch.
Might need to update this video now that all of the J6 footage has been released.
EasyAntiCheat is a product of a company 40% owned by Tencent and it randomly uploads files and memory segments to their servers.
Every game that requires it is a game you should never play.
Probably no one will read this but as a developer here’s what I think:
- I’m not convinced how the founder’s previous actions with regards to personally identifiable data (PII) is important in this discussion. A few years back this was absolutely not as important as it is now. In fact, complying with data best practices is a non trivial engineering effort which most startups dont have the resources to focus too much on.
- pretty much every startup starts by growing its user base before looking to make a profit, using investor funds to do so (as an example - notice how google maps only started adding ads recently ?)
- a surprising amount of messaging apps are not encrypted. Facebook’s messenger is NOT (unlike this video mentions), there is an option to use encrypted messaging but no one I’ve ever met uses this feature in the messenger app.
- Tencent / China gathering worldwide data is a genuine concern, maybe this video should’ve kept a focus on this instead of focusing on discord. Perhaps it could also mention the legality of moving data from users living in country X to China
Use Signal..
@@CB-ur8zy agreed, signal all the way. That said discord is a much better experience for gaming
@@samuelpetit5440 i use console, pc users can join xbox party😋
@@CB-ur8zy Xbox is owned by Microsoft, which will collect your data.
@@speedseed67 i know, but they have already as i been in data breach since 2016 up to 2021, google doesn’t delete the e mail 😂
The really scary stuff is that a lot of polititcans nowadays dont understand whats going on with social media and largely ignore it.
(Edit holy shit 179 likes wtf)
they sure do understand, they just won't do anything about it
Are you serious? the ppl behind govmts run the social medias. they won't do anythg about it b/c it's their spy/revenue/control program
we are livng under the control of boomers and karens
They cared when it was violent video games
isn't that what trump did?
he'd say and do wild shit on the Internet to get people to talk about him all the time
The most evil thing about it is the UI on mobile. It makes me hate using it so much that I don't, even though there are many groups I like to interact with.
you can actually change it back to the original. I hated it too lol, but was able to get it back in settings. Look it up
If discord ever gets sold I'm deleting all of my accounts and never using it again I can NOT have anything leaking
Lol I mean discord sucks but calling it the most evil in the world seems a bit inflammatory.
Ya know like nestle literally uses slave labor. Or like entire sectors such as mining and construction being plagued by human trafficking..
Again I'm not disagreeing that discord is fucked but it's a bit ridiculous to call it the most evil in the world.
he has to get the views somehow
Certainly not the most evil...it is not even a very useful tool unless you waste time in Games etc.
I know it has other functions as well.
Completely agree. But to be fair he is trying to get views, and like you said discord is pretty fucked
He calls algorythms and dirty tricks to get more following evil but usues the most exagerated titles I have ever seen lol
@@katalanzur7095 Hehe. Well as everything take it with a grain of salt even what Moon spits out here.
"Discord is the most evil business in the world"
TikTok and OnlyFans : *allow us to introduce ourselves*
How the hell shit tok is evil clown
@@Max-zo6rv tiktok does the same thing discord and simultaneously decreases the western iq by 100%
Tencent: i am doing warcrimes :)
*Cyberwarfare is a Warcrime*
what did onlyfans do? i didn't hear about any controvercies
@@king_james_official I think he means the use of lonely depressed men for profit on Onlyfans. There are some video essays about it that explain it really well.
this video was so loud I had to almost mute my speakers just to hear it at listenable volume.
There needs to be a summary page for the privacy policy’s instead of 20 pages nobody reads
Moon: The Most Dramatic Channel On RUclips
Yeah lol
it can be a little much but i feel it's more than warranted. One example is that Facebook can literally get 3D models of our faces through their filters and people will never know bc they dont read TOS or understand how social media actually works. Discord being the most evil is a stretch but we are on YT 😂 the land of clickbait
@@ryanm4074 and communist fearbaiting
@@ryanm4074 why does it matter? People literally post pictures of their faces on facebook XD
The most Doomer channel ever.
What sucks the most is that discord did not need this massive investment from Tencent in the first place! What a missed opportunity! Then again, maybe that is just how companies *must* dance according to reality, maybe there is no *escape* from the dark side.
“must escape” How do i escape? What am i escaping from?
I would say there is no escape from the dark side.
Ikr. Founder wanted to change the world, he chose to change it for the worse.
Yup money does that
@@trigicaly the dark lord
was funny after the microsoft purchase fell thru, discord announced they would be monitoring calls/posts on all servers (potentially)
"You probably think its just a stupid online conspiracy".... But it is a conspiracy, literally.. soooo
Good video overall but a sources list would be nice. Doesn’t have to be mla or whatever but something like what Veritasium or Kurzgeadagt would be great. Especially since videos like this make quite strong claims where evidence is required.
I couldn’t agree more even though the info is all publicly available if you care to fact check
@@cameron4332 publicly avaliable is not good enough for any research paper, so its not good enough for me. he makes claims that need to be strongly backed up.
@@TwoGoodGames I agree. It also makes me very skeptical when a lot of the short clips shown in the video are just screenshots of newspaper articles. That's not a very profound research then.
Yes, I found some manipulations in video and I want to know sources, do they are shit or something valuable
My source is that I made it the fuck up
NOOOO NOT MY DISCORD
Five lives were not taken and repeating false information is not good.
There is a bit of misinformation in this video. Discord does not have access to your browsing history, nor passwords. It has access to what you give it access to.
i don’t know man, but if any service or company mentions that they don’t sell your user data, they definitely do.
No, they don't sell it. They just give it to affiliate companies for free.
@@joebland5331 conveniently one way or another they get compensation for that
Nope, open source projects dont cause they dont collect any
@@Gigachad-mc5qz That's just wrong because open source projects just usually don't as they'll face criticism
And are you saying discord is open source? It isn't lol
*but they can still collect data....
I love the quality. Honestly. But the clickbait has been bad recently. I understand that youtube is an unsteady revenue stream but you already have sponsors AND Patreon. Whats the deal with calling every mainstream company evil because they want to make money?
His content has always been over exaggerated and Aimed at people who know little about the world. His views are way down now though, so it’s getting more blatant.
Its how they make money is what's the problem it's not as clean cut as you try to make it sound
It may be hyperbolic, but clickbait? That's pretty debatable. After all, this isn't a company who just wants to make money - this is a company exploiting people and society in general for not just monetary gain but also political power.
Did you even watch the video?
there are other ways you can make money without companies exploiting people most companies love doing that to make profit and revenue BRUH this is how the real world works
the wind "whoosh" sound effect whenever the clip changes is a little much for headphone users.
I mean the FTC requires any company operating in the US to store user data even if the account is deleted for a certain number of years, that's not just because of Tencent.